Ayodha , Dec 06

#80...
and it (Ram temple movement) is killed by mr. m m singh by bringing open economy and flurry of tv channels.....

Re: # 70
om prakash....
"One factor contributing to the rise of VHP/RSS/BJP that is often missed in these discussions is large-scale conversion of lower castes to Islam fueled by petrodollars. It went from there to Babri Masjid...."

That is not the case...if lower caste people want to convert to islam, it is their wish. I know, Indian govt. do not allow people to commit suicide but allow such kind of anti-national activities (converting to arab beduinism)......

Ram temple movement was revived by Mr. Ramananda Sagar through the TV serial Ramayana on Sunday Prime Time, Doordarshan.......

Ref kaurasach #69

[the attacks on non muslims in W Punjab didn't stop till the attacks on muslims in E Punjab began....]

Good thing that that dear boy Yasser Latif Hamdani is busy with something else.

Otherwise he would be here like a ton of bricks on you about how it was the Hindus and Sikhs who started the killings in Punjab and ending with "Gandhi is a racist fascist caste-ist pig!"

Interesting facts in this article!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy

Wow. Such soulful words..

The Babari Masjid demolition was certainly not the best resolution to the Hindu grievances on that issue. However, to disproportionately shower all your sympathies on an inanimate structure and spare none for the flesh and blood of actual Indians suffering the jihadies.. has to be either the height of hypocrisy or the height of ignorance.

The one good part about your article- at least now Arundhoti Roy can now die in peace.. knowing that the Shantanu Duttas are there to carry on her work.

Whoever is flagging Indian interactors' posts here, you missed a few. Try again.

Shantanu Dutta is preaching Christianity to Hindus here.

He wants us to turn the other cheek.

But he doesn't read history. Even history written by conquerors.

Otherwise he would know that when the last Inca emperor came on a peace parley to meet with the Spanish conquistadores under guarentee of safe passage, it was the Catholic priest who gave the dispensation that it was God's will that the heathens be attacked. The Inca emperor was seized and imprisoned. Even after paying tons of gold in ransom, he was not released.

Finally, after the Inca emperor was given the opportunity to convert to Christianity and save his soul (he would still have been executed) or dying a painful heathen's death, he declared that he would rather go to Hell than the Christian paradise. He was garrotted (a wire was twisted around his neck and he was choked to death).

I am sure Shantanu Dutta will find a way to link Hindus to this event in Christian history.

Mr. Shant,
I am realy amazed to find such innovative articles here from some Indians(?)...so, babri mosque demolision was the root of talibani problem. even the pakis never claim that so far...talibs received training from VHP kar sevaks from 1992 to 2000 and applied that skill on bamian statues? that was something never published in news papers......so babri demolition is root cause of destruction of millenium old statue (UNESCO world heritage site)......
moslas living india got realy terrorised by babri mosque demolision, but then again that has not resulted in single exodus of moslas to the dumping grounds in east (BD) and west(Pakiland)...rather large number of non-moslas had to migrate from BD (at least that I know) after this crap........
is it so that moslas got so terrorised that, they have not left india and the bongs loved this heroics so much that they have jumped from BD to india leaving their ancestral properties (in some cases daughters as well) etc....
excellent......

what would be great is the chinese model of atheism....

hang the guys who talk religion. hang the guys who fight based on religion. Mention god (in private or public) and you are shot, the bullet presented to your family and they pay for it.

relgion, relgious icons, religious land are just a waste of money time and energy.

Borivili ( I still don't believe you're an Indian), I read through some of the HT's articles. It was interesting to see that many Kashmiris think they will get employment if there is azadi. They're not too bright, are they?

kanjar ki aulad attacks n nonmuslims in west punjab didnt stop until there were none left. similarly attacks on muslims in east punjab didnt stop till all left and most of the attacks in east punjab were on muslim convoys and trains which were anyway leaving

One factor contributing to the rise of VHP/RSS/BJP that is often missed in these discussions is large-scale conversion of lower castes to Islam fueled by petrodollars. It went from there to Babri Masjid.

it may sound bad.....but like diamond cuts diamond....kanjarpana fights kanjarpana.....

the attacks on non muslims in W Punjab didn't stop till the attacks on muslims in E Punjab began....

the only way to stop thm is through supreme court through PILs but even that organ is becoming ineffective due to opposition from legislature and is being accused of interference and so is taking a selfimposed backseat and now even supreme court is being accused of corruption and communalism

bjp has done a better job than other orgs by integrating within the state system and directing energies internally and towards minorities rather than externally or towards reforming majority, but ultimately they will change the nature of the state, its clear if u read their ideology as propunded by the RSS and its leaders in the past

jang all extremist ideologies finally cause conflict either internal or external, and they all think they ar making their commuity strong, wether fascism in germany or islamic extremists who want islamic rule, or Hindu extremists in rss and bjp. their ideology is dangerous not only because it reduces diversity but it creates violence, insecurity in state with large minorities. in india's case there is additional linkages betwn extremist orgs in neighboroung countries which are dealing with their own probs.

Indian muslims didnt have any indigenous extremist orgs or even links with outside ones until recently, this is a worrying trend.

i dont know what the future holds but if the state doesnt interven in stoping dissemination of hate its a sad future