A Just War?

#19 by Nadeem_Shahzad

I see Shiv Sevaks and BJP activist are here too.

It is Shiv Sainks not Shiv Sevaks Nadeem yaar. So are you from the Lashkar-e-Taiba?

#22 by Nadeem_Shahzad

You see when you push a nation between the Rock and the Hard place that is what is going to happen and you Constantly make threats about "Surgical Strikes", "Economic Choke hold", "running the Pakistani river beds dry" and blah, blah, blah...People are going to get very pissed off and they will take this attitude.

Nadeem yaar, I can understand why you feel the way you feel, but will you ever understand that attacks like those on the Indian Parliament, the Mumbai CST and hotels, bomb blasts at random marketplaces and parks make us feel the way we do?

So when the Thermonuclear war breaks out between India and Pakistan and over 100 million be dead on both sides and than may be you will understand that there are really no winners in the war. Only thing that wins is the stupidity with which you were making threats against the other nation.

It is like this: when the neighborhood bully constantly taunts you and even hurts you as you go about your business, some or the other day, you're going to retaliate, even if it means you're going to get involved in a fight much bigger than the taunts you've ever been subjected to all these days and in the process, get hurt too. That's how we feel right now.

Romair,

india had stopped the water from chenab, against the world bank agreements.....

That is a blatant falsehood. The Baglihar dam hardly has that kind of storage capacity, the low water levels has prolly more to do with natural factors than dam.

it anexed a pro-pakistan hyderabad.....it annexed a pakistan leaning kashmir.....it annexed junagarh which was to be part of pakistan......

It is funny isn't it that you guys say that Junagadh and Hyderabad shud have gone to Pakistan becuase the ruler wanted it and Kahsmir too becuase the people wnated it. Sad part is that MAJ (pbuh) and LAK showed as much IQ as you do over the states issue and ended up with eggs on their faces.

Regards

Note that in no way I am not advocating war at this moment. If Pakistan fulfills its obligations and hands over the suspects to the Indian judicial system, including those individuals who may have popular support, then there is no reason to use violence. It appears that Pakistan is, grudgingly, on the way to some sort of compliance, so hopefully war will be unnecessary. However if Pakistan does not go through, then I say war is not only justified, it is imperative to wage it.. regardless of the costs to any parties involved.

romair, what you wrote is quite true. Most Indians do not think that India has actually focused on undermining Pakistan as a nation state. And this may well be the exact opposite of what Pakistanis believe.

So that is a problem, right there!

#25 Posted by Romair on

Pakistanis have a simple deceitful way of thinking that India didn't even exist before 1947, while for whole world, Greeks/ Arabs, Alexandar or German philosophers, for everybody else India exists almost since ever.

It should be easy to understand for even a plain idiot that India lost a lot while creating Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.

Pakistan didn't even deserve existence, still you need more for it? Muslims ruled India in minority and when India decided to become democratic and they feared that in democracy Hindus will rule over them, and so they decided to separate. Such pathetic idiots don't deserve the amount of land they have got.



India hasn't done enough to Pakistan, the way Pakistan behaves like an errand child willing to kill and destroy almost anything that tries to tell it any truth, including history (and that enjoys lies and Arab slavery), it should actually be slapped properly. What India did is just protecting itself in the form of separation of Bangladesh.
India doesn't know how to handle such a destructive nation and because it has lot of its own problems it doesn't have much time to handle this insane Islamic neghbour.

#22 Posted by Nadeem_Shahzad on

If Pakistani in general were that intelligent to understand what you say, they wouldn't have been doing what they have been doing for last 60 years and it would have taken a few hours for Pakistani police to interrogate ther LET leaders and tell world what they did and how they did. India has one surviving militant, Pakistan has hundreds of thousands of them, how difficult it is for Pakistan to find any information?? :-) But Pakistan was created for wrong reasons (besically for people of one religion for fear of another religion that they have been ruling before) and it exists for wrong reasons (more for giving nuclear bomb to Islamic world and promoting Arab slavery than for any human cause or value)...

Eklavya #: "Of course, Pakistani state should, must, and will reciprocate (if it doesn't do so already.)"

...from your comments, one gets the feeling that people in india seem to think that india hasn't done much to undermine pakistan.......

.....is there a recognition, amongst the common indian, that there is a long list of actions, from 47 onwards, that india has been taking, till today to totally destroy pakistan......even today, while india/pak negotiations were going one, india had stopped the water from chenab, against the world bank agreements.....

......in your opinion, what more could india have done since 47......it anexed a pro-pakistan hyderabad.....it annexed a pakistan leaning kashmir.....it annexed junagarh which was to be part of pakistan......

it laid the foundations for cross-border terrorism in south asia, by sending terrorists into east pakitan, and then split the country......

........by the way, how could pakistan respond and reciprocate, to undermine pakistan........

It's funny how Pakis start it and run around blaming India. What a pathetic bunch of kinders.

Re: # 22

Okay, if you are that afraid of mutually assured destruction then why are you not giving up Jehad? Or is MAD your license to keep needling India as you like?

Shouldn't you heed your own advice?

Mutually Assured Destruction buddy boy !

"Hum to doobay hain sanam
Tuhaim bhi lay doobain gay"

You see when you push a nation between the Rock and the Hard place that is what is going to happen and you Constantly make threats about "Surgical Strikes", "Economic Choke hold", "running the Pakistani river beds dry" and blah, blah, blah...People are going to get very pissed off and they will take this attitude. So when the Thermonuclear war breaks out between India and Pakistan and over 100 million be dead on both sides and than may be you will understand that there are really no winners in the war. Only thing that wins is the stupidity with which you were making threats against the other nation.

Re: # 19

Again where is this bravado coming from? Do you know something the rest of do not? Or is it just your misapprehension that 1 muslim = 10 hindus?

Since Jehadis are STATE-LESS and Pakistanis dis-own them- India has a right to eliminate them without considering any issues of Pakistani sovereignty ....

I see Shiv Sevaks and BJP activist are here too. OK I am a betting man. Roll the dice and take your best shot at Pakistan and find out what happens. You injun are suffering from this euphoric sense of Superiority complex that you will wave the magic wand and Pakistan will be on its knees. Go ahed bring it on, what are you going to dish out that you have not dished out in the past?...we have heard all this before.

If Jehadis are NON-STATE actors - and even PAkistan considers them stateless - then India can take these state-less pirates anytime through air strikes!!!

Re: # 13 Nadeem_Shahzad :

You are absolutely right about war on Pakistan. Only madmen and idiots of Hindoostan are thinking about it. So far nobody is after war there!

Leave Pakistanto itself. It might collapse byitself under the assaults of domestic Jihadis, morbid nationalists and corrupt politicians and Army. Only Allah can help her.

I have a better idea! How about putting Pakistan under the trusteeship of United Nations or OIC. Any takers!
Kamath

Thanks Majumdar bhai for reminding me of that famous interview of Pakistan's founder with Margaret Bourke White in which he said (of course I'm paraphrasing) Pakistan, as the new world's premier rentier state, would be willing to sell itself to the highest bidder. If Indians can shell out the Rupee, Pakis would be willing to kill their brothers.