Sharp-Eyed View of a Mohajir

Honestly this guy is such a sell out that I wonder what on earth he is so proud about. I agree with #60...good riddance to people like this. I am a Muhajir and a Pakistani-Canadian so I suppose Sayeed Hassan Khan would be disappointed that this experience doesn't have the same affect on everyone....there is something about him as a person that makes him this way. I guess this guy is an example of the type of closet-Indians we have among the liberals of Pakistan. Way to go dude....please keep representing your bayghayrat class so everyone can begin recognize you from a distance.

I am tempted to say something especially after reading last paragraph of your dabble, but I would let this one go!

For you my dear, all I can say is "Good riddance" and for all those who spend their vacations in India....may there be more of you joining you in yonderland and may Allah rid us of the menance of Mohajirism in Pakistan! (Amen)

Pakis about Mohajir

The experiences of the Muhajirs are no different from those of Pied Noirs ( Literally Blackfeet- Algerians of French Origin). They supported the French cause to the hilt, then they went back to France, and found that the French hated them.

The difference here is that the Pied Noirs were forced out of Algeria by the native Algerians through the ' famous ' Coffins and Suitcases ' policy. Even Camus a sympathizer of the Algerian cause had to leave. Although Zionism has existed for more than a century before Israel was founded, the real migration to Israel was very much a forced event.

On the other hand nobody was forcing the Indian Muslims to leave for Pakistan. The Mohajirs had the benefit of the most liberal minded leadership in India ever. Gandhi and Nehru, along with Maulana Azad would caution them against their Pakistani Shangri La.

Yet the left generations of property, jobs and wealth for Pakistan. In course of time, their pro-establishment attitude, tuned by generations of 'loyal Mussalmans' servility, will make them hated by the new natives. This includes Pakistanis and Bangladeshis , and Indians of course.

Re: # 44
majumder....
little more to add....
partition is a reality and UP/Bihari moslas were more vocal for creation of Pakistan than anybody else...so, at least, just to show gratitude, muslas living in punjab,sindh ... should accomodate muslas from bihar and up...

Re: # 53
Shah2...
"Anaother fatoris there is no ANCHOR for i.m. Sikhs return to Punjab after riots bengali run to bengal from Assam Biharis to Bihar but where would i.m run to .There is no anchor to hold them staying put honorably within the state unfortunately..."
The answer is Pakiland.....you can live in full beduin environment; no schools...only mosques, madressahs and liberty of committing "allahu kabooms", if you think something is not comopatible with Mo of arabia's preachings......though India, to large extent providing similar liberty, but then, that needs to be withdrawn.....

Re: # 39
Shah...
Muslas have no ground to ask for favour. High breeding rate of musla population (growth segment for vote baniyas) is main reason behind such report etc.....
Moslas are backward, so what? Does indian constitution responsible for that? No...everything should stop here...
If somebody feels the heat of competetion in Indian society, let him/her migrate to Pakiland/BD....60 years back these two areas were given to the muslas to lead life as they wish...go and enjoy that heaven....

All this nonsense started by that scoundrel, V P Singh (died on the day, his friends were carrying out jihad in mumbai)....

Shah2,

Now we come round the view that there're no institutional disabilities suffered by Indian Muslims but impediments caused by society around them, esp in places like Gujarat.

The economic hardships among Muslims wud be a matter of past in a couple of decades (that's what the GDP forecasts tell abt India & that's why the US is courting us so passionately).

Btw, English medium schools are not necessarily missionary schools. In my place there're a few hundred EM schools but 2 missionary schools. I know my neighbourhood qasai whose son cudn't make it to computers despite his father spending Ks on his training. Now he's sitting at home. Prolly he'd take his papa's profession after some years. Many of my childhood pals are into business. So, future is not bleak.

This backwardness and segregation topic bothers me as I never seen an incident in my home town. They live where they like, do what they want & achieve what they can.

Re: # 52
VRV i get your point English teaches have been very few among muslims .You can say b/c they did not study inEnglish medium But not only Muslims or hindu of imilar status do not send to english christian missionary schools b/c hard admission criteria and exorbitant fees.
Now that can be the reason again which came first no english teacher or no schooling in english .

Anaother fatoris there is no ANCHOR for i.m. Sikhs return to Punjab after riots bengali run to bengal from Assam Biharis to Bihar but where would i.m run to .There is no anchor to hold them staying put honorably within the state unfortunately

There are many subsects inI ndia who shun education the business community of Marwaris vashiyas even familial brahmin priest Infact most of indias sucess Power Wealth is in the hand of semi literate .While encouraging to go to school more hardship than majority like evry dinquent child they rebel.Unfortunatelly they dont have safety net if not high achiever academically unlike the majority

..leadership who asks for Urdu..

39 Shah2,

As for Sachar Committee, it's an effort as an open and free state to assess the condition of a religious, national minority. I read the Report and I have a lot of points I disagree. Leave that aside.

Ppl make choices and study hard and progress in lives. Ppl must do their best to compete and come up in life. It's for ppl to make choices. Seekinag and complaining is the character of meek. Gone were the days when Sultans gave land grants for Muslims and concubines for Nobles. This is 21st century and it's for individuals to make efforts to come up in life. Stop whining.

I know many ppl of Muslim community leadership asks for Urdu schools than normal English medium schools. U know where the problem lies.

If Committee's findings shud be seen then it'd be from Muslim masses pov than GOI pov. GOI made no discrimination in admission, job recruitments. Get it right. Last but least, Muslims are not a monolith but group of population that's as diverse as Hindus. So the basic premise of Sachar Committee work is flawed.

49,

Actually Roys and Verseys shud try to live their normal lives - as they do India - a day among the ppl they support.

I bet they'd become corpses in no time.

India had many shortcomings but as a state India has all the ingredients to be a progressive state, institutionally.

Between Indian Politics and Pakistani Politics ... it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other ... besides, the article at the URL given below has some information that may be an eye opener for some ..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy

Re: # 41
mu...
the best solution is to transport more mohajirs from India...that will strengthen your voice....

Re: # 9
Q...
"Just as India is both secular and host to miltant/fascists hindus of the sangh!..."

So, India is Pakland....But Tahmed etc..claims that Paki society is very much liberal, unlike Indians....

Re: # 29
KRBhatti...
....quantity does not mean anything. Even in undivided india, it would have created large scale civil war, the way Gandhi and Nehru thought of administering ( Sickularism)....
Creation of Pakiland was good for both and Indians should have taken couple of more steps (before 1900) to see that Islamic menace is caged within some domain...

I saw a photo of Dawood Ibrahim and his moustaches and sunglasses immediately reminded me of Tafa Londonwalla!

fmshah,

MQM and Pathan both are aliens in Karachi. But why Pathans are taxi drivers, watch man and waiters whereas most of Clifton, DHA villas, Business Houses and Industrial Units on II Chundrigar Road, Site and Mall Road (Shahrah Faisal) are owned by migrants from Gujrat/India.

So what? Delhi too is a city of migrants- one lot from West Punjab (who are wealthy lot) and the other lot from Bimaru, WB and BD (who are the labour class). That is becuase the immigrants from India/W Punjab are more intelligent and qualified than the immigrants from Pukhtoonkhwa/Bimaru etc.

Rather than be resentful of the Mojos you shud admire their hardwork and talent else you guys wud have been clueless of how to cope with the workings of a modern state and professions like banking, business etc. in 1947 after the local Hindoos/Sikhs left.

Regards

And I know that Punjab bashing is the most favourite hobby of some Mohajirs. Before these mohajirs blame Punjab they should not forget that the Mohajir always worked hand in glove with Punjabis to exploit other ethnic group.

Re: # 41

I am unable to understand why did the self-centred Muslim Salariat of UP struggled for an independent Muslim in spite of knowing very well that their areas will not be a part of the new Muslim state and they will always remain 'immigrants' if they migrate to Pakistan.

I also want to know Muqaddam saheb what azaab has fallen on the mohajirs in Pakistan that they now need to look towards India for their survival, at least the Mohajirs like me don't feel marginalized in Pakistan. And even if I agree with your assertion of Mohajirs being marginalized in Pakistan I would say that if these mohajirs have an iota of self-respect they will prefer to drown themselves in the Arabian sea instead of looking towards India for their survival, unless, of course, you have forgotten the political role your forefathers played in the first half of the last century.

It is a pity that the Mohajir community which took the lead role in carving out an independent state for the Muslim population of the subcontinent should now feel marginalised in Pakistan and look towards India for their future survival. The whole concept of Pakistan is now really sounding hollow and events are proving it. In any case one doubts if many people would shed tears if Pakistan really came apart.
In the first place the Pakhtoons under Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan never wanted to secede from the Indian union, so they would not mind rejoining India that is if they do not want to go to Afghanistan. The Sindhis who have been the worst hurt and are otherwise Sufi in outlook like it in India, the Baloch are waiting to declare independence. That leaves belligerent Punjab which may represent the rump Pakistan, thanks to the heavy enrollment in the Pakistan army from this provnce. Given their proximity to India one wonders this otherwise bellicose group would stand up to the might of India.
Only time will tell.

MQM's is always busy in marketing/spreading lies, hypes, violence and hates. This thing is not an exception and it is not a surprise. Mustafa Kamal has always come across as a 'Sales Man'. He spends more hours of the day giving interviews to print and electronic media than doing actual development work. At same Altaf Bhai will be delivering telephonic lectures on War on Terror and Talibanization. Karachi (1/10th of Pakistan) is under MQM's siege (bunch of Idiots) and with the level of support MQM enjoys from Establishment goons any one can make marvels. Mustafa Kamal simply bulldozes any opposition and is a self indulging idiot who claims to 'know-it-all'. Lately he has been busy spreading hate against poor Pashtun migrant workers in order to bambofying Pathans from every corner of Land of Pure Cartels from Tribal Areas to Karachi for pleasing his Masters in UK/US. Claiming that poor Pathan workers (mostly watch mans, taxi drivers etc) have a Master Plan to take over Karachi. As if Karachi (once a small Sindhi town i.e. Mai Kulachi, Lyari ) has not been taken over by outsiders/aliens already? He issue ethnic statements in USA about Karachi. If such statement would have been given by anyone else he would be declared Bugti and tried in this Land of Pure Cartels for challenging the writ of state and treason. Since 1947, Karachi a city of Sindh has gradually become Sindhi-less city, if compared with Lahore, Peshawar, Quetta.

Karachi has almost equal composition of all major ethnic group of Pakistan. Urdu, Punjabi, Pathan, Baluch, Sindhi each ethnics group has almost more than 2 million souls. However cultural, political, business and economically dominating class in Karachi are only those who are aliens, settled, migrated from other areas particularly Gujrat/India. The resistance against Gawader project from Baluch ethnic group is also based on fears of unfair practices done during past fifty years to Sindhis in Karachi.
Lyari (Composing of Sindhis, Pathan and Baluch) which was actual Karachi will always remain slum, as if it is never ever part of Karachi. Similarly disparity and contrast can also be found between actual 70 % rural Pakistan and British era Metropolis cities like Pindi, Lahore, Queta, Karachi composing of Mall Roads, Saddar, Societies, DHA, etc. The decision making elite of these Metropolis is less 1 % of the whole Pakistan population of 180 Millions. This all is result of colonial policy of state patronage of imposing minorities/aliens over majorities/locals and cultural homicide treatment to majority even after partition. Karachi explains exactly why Pakistan is taken over by Autocrats and Establishment. Pathan, Baluch and Sindhi will live with each other in peace in Interior Sindh, whereas in Karachi, there will be always violence and bloodshed of Sindhis and Pathans . The violence and TT culture, we see in Karachi, can’t be seen in other cities like Lahore, Queta, Pindi, and Peshawar. This sort of violence and TT cluture can also be observed in Indian Movies and Bombay.

I always wonder
Why our Free Media never dare to discuss MQM fake claim of 2nd best mayor the way they discuss and create justification and support for ethnic cleansing of Pathans under the label of WOT and name of Taliabn/Alqaeda. Every bomb blast is accepted by some mysterious Mullah/Talib sitting in cave in Tribal Area (Swat, North/South Waziristan). Leaving aside US Drone attacks, all killed by Jet PAF Jets Bombers and Army Heavy Artillery are always terrorist? How many such occurrences have been investigated? How many bombs blast have been preemptively avoided/intercepted?

I always wonder
After Army operation (spanning for couple months) against Boriband culture in Karachi Army Chief is poisoned to death, President along with Prime Minister are sent home whereas whole Govt is packed up. Why Army operations (spanning over years) against Bengalis (1970/71), Baluch (1974/75), Sindhis (1980s) and Pathans (WOT) is not followed by same consequences.

I always wonder
MQM and Pathan both are aliens in Karachi. But why Pathans are taxi drivers, watch man and waiters whereas most of Clifton, DHA villas, Business Houses and Industrial Units on II Chundrigar Road, Site and Mall Road (Shahrah Faisal) are owned by migrants from Gujrat/India.

Punching Note
Meritocracy is social science concept, which equates various educations streams and merits in various societies to cast system, where structured tests etc are used as merit tool to favor few and deprive majority from opening/opportunities for educational and work roles/occupations. Performance in these tests mostly depends on geographic location and social conditions in early life and childhood.

Re: # 36

Mahesh ji itske it you know about Sachar Commitee .There is detils of it in Googlw but i will highlight the finding about muslims being lower than Other Backward class OBC thats the lowest rung even in the prosperous majority ihdian non muslims








"Main findings of the report
The entire Sachar Report is available for download at various websites.[6]

Some findings are as follows: A.. ..The information regarding the Scheme has not adequately percolated down. Even if the share of Muslims in elected bodies is low they and other under represented segments can be involved in the decision making process through innovative mechanisms.
Most of the variables indicate that Muslim-OBCs are significantly deprived in comparison to Hindu-OBCs. The work participation rate (WPR) shows the presence of a sharp difference between Hindu-OBCs (67%) and the Muslims. The share of Muslim-OBCs in government/ PSU jobs is much lower than Hindu-OBCs. "

Islamization is for individuals, to perform and be able to perform as a Muslim without discrimination and equality however the actions are a Muslim's own responsibility not of the state as long as it provides an environment of equality and does not commandeer individuals to perform.
If Muslims perform in accordance to the basic principal requirements of their faith that automatically provides Islamization of the state while other than only ritualistic practices a Muslim is expected to be balanced and modest in all other aspects of life and in dealing with others regardless of their faith.
Hence if Muslims are loyal to their own faith in all manners an Islamized state is imminent and shall provide for all its citizens without distinction of their faith.

Re: # 4
I would very much like to hear about what Karachi was like and what all was there in Karachi before August 14, 2008.

Re: # 32

Sirji, people who migrated to Pakistan would have done well even if they had stayed back in India.

The well educated and wealthy muslims moved to Pakistan where they could readily fill in the void left behind by migrating Hindus and Sikhs.

The people who were left behind in India were the poorest of the lot and it does take a lot to improve your lot when you are the bottom of the food chain.

Muslims worse than Dalits? This is new to me.

Re: # 31 Dialogue
MashaAllah I like your high spirits, most certainly agree with you and admirably so since I have several good Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi, Balochi and Bengali friends even though I come from a "Mohajir" family.
Keep it up Dialogue if we have more people with such spirits eventually there will have be better days ahead whether we live to see those or not.

#29 Posted by krbhatti
The transplantation of mango varieties is the most welcome aspect of this development.

Bhatti sahib I wish you had edited out the above from your post as it is the most cruel mention.
I grew my own mangoes and bananas at home, some of the best as I consider it to be and in abundant volume so that my household and several neighbors admired it.
Now I live in a region where I am deprived of mangoes in their real sense, if there is taste there is no aroma and if the aroma of a quality mango is there, there is hardly any taste or texture, but I will manage with or without mangoes other than a rubbing mention.

"What's done is done. It's time to move on."
Its been a long time to have moved on but its never too late even if the move started today.
The Bareli you mention was also the hometown of my grandfather who was from that core which founded the Muslim League and "drafted" the Quaid, however their dreams did not come true in the manner envisioned by those people in that era.
God only knows if it was good or was not good, therefore I conclude that despite all the sacrifice its time to let the begone be bygones and seek the rising of another sun, a new day and another new future, away from where the vision did not come true.

Re: # 22
Mahesh ji
celebrities Kahns in movie Cricket premji President kalam have done very good ,Pakistan as some said was not about religion but about political clout
.To greater extent the migrants on both sides and at both ends East Pakistan ^& West Pakistan have been more successful at least in the first generation This fact b/c they filled in the vacuum created .
Sachar commite finds Muslims of India lower than Dalit .The migrant to Pakistan definitely better off.same goes for migrant coming out of 'parosi mulk'.

No matte ho hard our life have been owe it to our mother land .if you were forced to leave for Pakistan for Shelter
Be Thanful for that shelter

atleast.you are in more prosperous country which is better than india & pakistan both

i am a punjabi AND i love mohajirs. i love the fact that they have organized to politically protect their rights. but if you look at the number of guns and goons in mqm, you would be surprised - and i dont love that.

those who were born in pakistan are not migrants. cuz they live in the land of their birth. THEY CAN CALL THEMSELVES MOHAJIRS IF IT HELPS THEM, I WONT HAVE A PROBELEM WITH THAT EITHER.

the problem is not mqm. the problem is altaf hussein. the mqm haqeeqi and all others who have tried to represent mohajirs have been crushed by ALTAF BHAI. PLEASE KEEP IT POLITICAL.

Re: # 29

Eventhough it warmed my cockles to read Irfan Hussain's article it does me no good.

I will truly rejoice only when Pakistanis give up on Jehad and mind their own business. There is no point dreaming of a federation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

What's done is done. It's time to move on.

Here is a what if analysis done by Irfan Hussain, a known columnist from Pakistan....

Games historians play


By Irfan Husain


HISTORIANS are fond of playing a game known as “What if?� in which they try to picture a world where a different set of decisions had been taken at a key juncture. Thus, what would have happened had Hitler not invaded the Soviet Union? What would the world be like today had Nazi Germany won the Second World War?

In the same spirit, here’s a game for readers: What would the subcontinent be like today had it not been partitioned 60 years ago? Had both Congress and the Muslim League accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan — and they were desperately close to an agreement — India would have remained intact, albeit as a country with three confederating units. Would we have been better or worse off in such an arrangement?

In terms of physical development, I have little doubt that Pakistan has benefited from Partition. In physical infrastructure as well as social, political and intellectual development, the areas that constituted Pakistan on August 14, 1947, were some of the most backward in the subcontinent.

Since then, the country has seen considerable progress. Roads, hospitals, universities and schools have been built. Muslim entrepreneurs who migrated to the new state brought capital and business skills, and have created banks, mills and factories. And in a semi-arid country, new farming techniques have created a green revolution. For me, the transplantation of mango varieties is the most welcome aspect of this development.

In fact, had it not been for Pakistan’s inexorable population growth, we would all be much better off today, with fewer people demanding their share of the small but growing cake.

Of course, it can be argued that most of these changes would have occurred in an undivided India. But given our neighbour’s slow economic progress in the first three decades of Independence, I doubt that enough resources would have gone to the periphery.

Also, no Partition would have meant that no mass migration would have taken place. This in turn means that most of the skills and capital that crossed the new border in 1947 would not have been available to this part of the subcontinent.

Factors that led to Pakistan’s relatively rapid progress in the fifties and sixties include liberal economic policies, as well as our pro-western stance. This gave us access to capital and modern technology. Meanwhile, India was being governed under the Congress party’s socialist vision that included a tightly regulated economy that yielded what is now known as the ‘Hindu rate of growth’.

So all in all, my guess is that in economic terms, Pakistan has benefited from Partition. It is in the non-physical areas that our growth has remained stunted. Had the subcontinent not been divided into two (and later three) components, we would not all have squandered such vast resources on defence.

With the trillions that have gone into the black hole of military budgets, the government could have doubled and tripled the expenditure on health, education, culture and sports.

As a confederating unit of India, the area today known as Pakistan would not have suffered from the identity crisis that has seen it position itself as an adjunct to the Middle East. This, and the exclusion of the army from political life, would have reduced the religious fervour that has brought the Taliban wolf to our door.

Indeed, one of the factors fuelling the rise of extremism in Pakistan has been the perception of the existential threat that (Hindu) India poses to us.

This has been matched by the rise of the Hindutva religious nationalism in India reflected by the Shiv Sena and the BJP. These organisations use the (Muslim) Pakistan threat to drum up support, in the same way governments and religious and right-wing parties play the India card here.

Living under a secular constitution would have made life a lot easier for our minorities. They would not have to live in fear under the Damocles sword of our iniquitous blasphemy laws, and would be equal citizens. Women, too, would have benefited, and not been subject to random prosecution as under Ziaul Haq’s infamous Hudood Ordinances.

In the international arena, an undivided India would have long been a powerhouse. With around 1.5 billion people, it would have provided an even larger market for imported and locally produced goods.

Culturally, we would have benefited from much greater diversity than we have now. Pakistan is a monochromatic society where women have not been allowed to play their true role in society. By contrast, they are highly visible in all Indian cities. And with more exposure to literature and the arts, our cultural life would have been that much richer.

In sports, too, a combined population of 1.5 billion would have produced world-beating teams: imagine a cricket team representing the entire subcontinent!

There is a perception that had Partition not taken place, Muslims would have been oppressed by the Hindu majority. But half a billion Muslims are not a small minority that can be kicked around. As it is, about 160 million Muslims still live in India.Similar numbers in the areas that constitute Bangladesh and Pakistan today would have ensured that Muslims carried substantial political clout. And had Indian Muslims not faced the kind of isolation caused by Partition, they would not be the marginalised community they are now.

Politically, we would not have been subjugated by the army as we are today. As a result, parliament and the judiciary would have been functioning with far greater freedom than they have done here over the last six decades. Indeed, we would be a far freer people than we are.

At the end of the day, there are going to be winners and losers. Through Partition, many people gained, while others lost out. Many fortunes were made as a direct result of the scams arising out of the purchase of property claims submitted by refugees. Thousands of well-off people, caught up in the stampede created by the riots of 1947, were made destitute. Other migrants prospered due to the lack of competition in the new state.

Of course, all these are highly speculative projections, and if I have offended readers on either side of the Great Divide, let me remind them that this is just a game. And everybody can play.

Re: # 27

I know a lot of people in India who were nothing before partition who are doing great now.

I know of a lot of people who were doing great before partition but are nothing now.

None of it had to do with their religion.

#26

Mahesh ji,

Only positives or negatives does not convey the message alone..... right?

I know many people who were nothing before partition in India and are now doing great in Pakistan.....

Re: # 25

That's definitely a possibility. No denying that.

I am listing the positives as Pakistanis list only the negatives (as they have to otherwise their justification for TNT just falls apart).

Mahesh, ....or he'd have been lynched in some communal riot in India (a possibility). Possibilities would depend on the place of residence.

The situation of these contrite mohajirs is like the situation of Toba Tek Singh. He'd always yearn for the place on the other side of the fence. Had their khandaan left for good by selling-off properties then they'd not have had a chance to see this side of the fence.

Gandhi always thought that deeply religious ppl would be intrinsically good. Similarly, Jinnah thought that political Islamists would be like him i.e irreligious. Both were wrong.

Obviously ppl like Khan followed a blind optimist pied-piper.

Re: # 9

Yeah right. You have already bankrupted your country trying to deal with the nuisance. If not for licking the white man's boot you wouldn't even have the moisture for saliva that you licked that boot with.

Re: # 22

Mr. Khan might have become the president of India.

He might have become the richest man in South Asia.

He might have become famous in India Cinema as an actor/director/music director/lyricist/singer with fans not only in South Asia but across the world

He might have become the captain of Indian cricket team.

He might have become the editor of Newsweek magazine.

He would be carrying the Indian passport and not the Jehadi passport that people are suscipicous of the moment they see that green cover.

Now, he can only wish he had never migrated to Pakistan.

Mr.Khan how good /bad u r life would be if you stayed in India?

Compare..... and then curse or thank

Bhatti, if someone is not loyal to his birthplace, the birthplace of his ancestors going back centuries, what makes you think that he will have any loyalty to his adopted land? You are naïve to believe that Mr. Khan should be devoted to Pakistan, a land that screwed him many times over.

Dear Mr. Subhashbijli,

As far as confederation thing is concerned, I am sure that if you go back in history, you'll notice that there were one or two plans put forward by British to that affect and both the times, there was a party called Indian National Congress which derailed these plans by not accepting it. Now without going into the details that whether it was right or wrong, we can only be certain that this confederation thing did not come about because of INC. So much for Mr. Muqaddam and his confederation.

Now coming back to joining India; brother, lemme be very clear with you. If you carry out public poll in Pakistan, you will certainly become aware of the number of disillusioned people of Pakistan and how much in terms of percentage, they represent Pakistani population. Our chowk multi nick phenomenon Mr. Arjun, with whom I agree on some counts will give you an accurate picture by giving you the number of people who want to destroy India in Pakistan. So before uttering things that you don't understand, please make sure to consult with an abstract concept called "GROUND REALITY".

We in Pakistan do have problems and there are lot of them; but, if you think that this has to do something with forming a loose federation or confederation with India, then my dear Subash Sahib, you are totally out of touch with reality.

Remember, how harder you screw a woman in anus, you can never impregnate her. That requires taking the path through vaginal cavity. And my dear Subash sahib, your confederation thingy is like screwing the woman in anus. You'll only get shit smell and the enjoyment, if you enjoy it; but you'll never get anyway near to impregnating her if that is the objective.....

it appears that the author is very disillusioned with pakistan. many are disillusioned about pakistan. we indians are aware of it. the solution is not in confederation but in disintegration of pakistan into small states and after surrender of arms, small states to join india. india has its own problems and by joining into a confederation with pakistan we do not want to add to our problems. but what i have said is easy to say and difficult to practice. the isi, pak army, jaish, let, al qaeda, etc. will not allow integration into india so easily. so a war is essential, to tell these terrorists that their place is in hell, not in pakistan. breaking is easy, joining is very very difficult. confederation is not the solution with terrorists in pakistan. after confederation they will move around more freely in india. pakistan was formed with deceit, treachery and violence. pakistan will end with violence. as you sow, so shall you reap. jai hind.

Instead of heaping derision and abuse on the author, the obvious disappointment felt by him by what he has seen over the years is noteworthy.
A loose federation would be a good beginning.

sayeed,

You are on the right track. First re-assess what TNT has done, then remove the photos from all those govt offices. That is the first step.

Without discrediting TNT, the terroprism will not stop. TNT has taken the religious idea of jihad into the political dimension and legitimised support for jihadis, as you see in pakistan.

A country created for religion, and based on the TNt notion that muslims cannot live with people of other religion, cannoy eliminate jihadis, becase the essence of TNT is the political operationalisation of jihad.

Khalid,

I agree my brother. I shall get that book and read it.

VRV,

Having many perspective to look at any given issue is not an issue here. I myself am strongly in favour of putting myself (or at least I try) in shoes of all the people concerned before arriving at any conclusion. What I reacted to in this article was the blatant attempt on part of author to absolve himself of all the responsibilities of what went wrong in Pakistan. After all these were the people at the helms of affairs in Pakistan.

BTW, there is no dearth of such people in Pakistan itself. One supreme example of mediocrity and who absolves himself is the one called Roedad Khan. Read his book, and you will have a chill going down your backbone that these people are actually the one who controlled our destiny..

Khalid Yaar,

'.... even those dogs who survive on the heap of trash stand up and bark for the village when any intruder from outside comes in.'

This sentence jolted me, really (while keeping aside wrong and right issues in the article).

I think there could be many dimensions to an issue. I saw it from Indian perspective. U saw it from native Pakistani perspective and Mr. Khan saw it from his mohajir's perspective.

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It is bad that things like AIMPLB exist in India, sooner or later such idiotic boards need to be dismantled...

Check their site, to see what they think about themselves..

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Just as India is both secular and host to miltant/fascists hindus of the sangh!

Pakistan's secular character has taken a beating since the afghan war but we don't hate hindus like hindus hate us- India thrives on hating pakistan- for pakistan India is just another nuisance we have to deal with.

This is one of the most ‘delicately subtle’ accounts of the partition and subsequent blunders in Pakistan that I have read.

Thank you very much, Mr. Khan for writing it. Although you only wrote a summary of the blunders (including missing many details), but for my generation (the one after yours) the Pakistan experiment had a new mixture added to it - imported Wahabi ideology as if it were not potent enough to begin with. The experiment continues, and those who can’t possibly get a busboy job in the west are now put in-charge of running ‘our’ country.

On second reading I find a lot of inconsistencies, falsehoods.

One sentence summary:

"Aadhi chhod poori ko dhaave, poori mile na aadhi paave"

BTW what *exactly* did the great qaid-e-azam mean by "secular muslim state"? How could the state be both secular and muslim?
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how i love it when the writer says communalism came back with the BJP in the '80s.. oh the power of deceit & hyperboles ..well the rise of BJP can be directly linked to the AIMPLB's mishandling the shah bano's case wherein it forced the then government to subvert supreme court's ruling (a secular ruling to boot!).. apart there was also a small thing he also forgot to mention.. petty since it concerns non muslims..BJP rose into prominence when the pandits were cleansed by genteel muslim kashmiris..is it any wonder that non muslims have been systematically eradicated in muslim majority areas? can the writer give us specific examples contradicting this?

I'll excuse the disjointed ramblings of an old man and not comment on what a load of nonsense, with the occasional perceptive insight, this stream-of-consciousness essay contains.

I do like the way that, like all good Muhajirs, he conveniently manages to NOT mention the fact that it was a Muhajir (Liaquat Ali Khan) who brought Islam into the Pakistani political equation with his Objectives Resolution. However, I am grateful that he does not fall into the old Muhajir habit of complaining that there was nothing in Karachi before they came and how the Karachi they had built has been destroyed by Punjabis and Pathans.

supremacism

Longish but a good read.

Mr. Khan, Federation is unthinkable and suicidal for India now. At the same time India has difficulty in shaking-off the history and treading a new path along with the other countries of the world.

U guys can come and enjoy time in India but Federation is suicidal for India. Best of luck for Muslim supremism that started in 1947..............

What should the people of the Sub-continent do to appease the 'such' self-pitying mohajirs? taqreeban 100 sall ho gaye rotey dhotey, ab bas karo bhai, kab tak rotey raho gey.