Sayeed Hasan Khan December 11, 2008
#1 Posted by vatanparast on December 12, 2008 12:10:27 am
What should the people of the Sub-continent do to appease the 'such' self-pitying mohajirs? taqreeban 100 sall ho gaye rotey dhotey, ab bas karo bhai, kab tak rotey raho gey.
#2 Posted by VRV on December 12, 2008 2:48:28 am
Longish but a good read.
Mr. Khan, Federation is unthinkable and suicidal for India now. At the same time India has difficulty in shaking-off the history and treading a new path along with the other countries of the world.
U guys can come and enjoy time in India but Federation is suicidal for India. Best of luck for Muslim supremism that started in 1947..............
Mr. Khan, Federation is unthinkable and suicidal for India now. At the same time India has difficulty in shaking-off the history and treading a new path along with the other countries of the world.
U guys can come and enjoy time in India but Federation is suicidal for India. Best of luck for Muslim supremism that started in 1947..............
#4 Posted by fuzair on December 12, 2008 3:09:02 am
I'll excuse the disjointed ramblings of an old man and not comment on what a load of nonsense, with the occasional perceptive insight, this stream-of-consciousness essay contains.
I do like the way that, like all good Muhajirs, he conveniently manages to NOT mention the fact that it was a Muhajir (Liaquat Ali Khan) who brought Islam into the Pakistani political equation with his Objectives Resolution. However, I am grateful that he does not fall into the old Muhajir habit of complaining that there was nothing in Karachi before they came and how the Karachi they had built has been destroyed by Punjabis and Pathans.
I do like the way that, like all good Muhajirs, he conveniently manages to NOT mention the fact that it was a Muhajir (Liaquat Ali Khan) who brought Islam into the Pakistani political equation with his Objectives Resolution. However, I am grateful that he does not fall into the old Muhajir habit of complaining that there was nothing in Karachi before they came and how the Karachi they had built has been destroyed by Punjabis and Pathans.
#5 Posted by john_galt on December 12, 2008 4:34:17 am
how i love it when the writer says communalism came back with the BJP in the '80s.. oh the power of deceit & hyperboles ..well the rise of BJP can be directly linked to the AIMPLB's mishandling the shah bano's case wherein it forced the then government to subvert supreme court's ruling (a secular ruling to boot!).. apart there was also a small thing he also forgot to mention.. petty since it concerns non muslims..BJP rose into prominence when the pandits were cleansed by genteel muslim kashmiris..is it any wonder that non muslims have been systematically eradicated in muslim majority areas? can the writer give us specific examples contradicting this?
#6 Posted by alkuma on December 12, 2008 4:40:37 am
One sentence summary:
"Aadhi chhod poori ko dhaave, poori mile na aadhi paave"
BTW what *exactly* did the great qaid-e-azam mean by "secular muslim state"? How could the state be both secular and muslim?
आलोक
"Aadhi chhod poori ko dhaave, poori mile na aadhi paave"
BTW what *exactly* did the great qaid-e-azam mean by "secular muslim state"? How could the state be both secular and muslim?
आलोक
#7 Posted by VRV on December 12, 2008 5:06:57 am
On second reading I find a lot of inconsistencies, falsehoods.
#8 Posted by Kulharee on December 12, 2008 6:22:34 am
This is one of the most ‘delicately subtle’ accounts of the partition and subsequent blunders in Pakistan that I have read.
Thank you very much, Mr. Khan for writing it. Although you only wrote a summary of the blunders (including missing many details), but for my generation (the one after yours) the Pakistan experiment had a new mixture added to it - imported Wahabi ideology as if it were not potent enough to begin with. The experiment continues, and those who can’t possibly get a busboy job in the west are now put in-charge of running ‘our’ country.
Thank you very much, Mr. Khan for writing it. Although you only wrote a summary of the blunders (including missing many details), but for my generation (the one after yours) the Pakistan experiment had a new mixture added to it - imported Wahabi ideology as if it were not potent enough to begin with. The experiment continues, and those who can’t possibly get a busboy job in the west are now put in-charge of running ‘our’ country.
#9 Posted by qyousuf on December 12, 2008 10:58:33 am
Re: # 6
Just as India is both secular and host to miltant/fascists hindus of the sangh!
Pakistan's secular character has taken a beating since the afghan war but we don't hate hindus like hindus hate us- India thrives on hating pakistan- for pakistan India is just another nuisance we have to deal with.
Just as India is both secular and host to miltant/fascists hindus of the sangh!
Pakistan's secular character has taken a beating since the afghan war but we don't hate hindus like hindus hate us- India thrives on hating pakistan- for pakistan India is just another nuisance we have to deal with.
#10 Posted by Sanatani on December 12, 2008 11:58:17 am
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#11 Posted by Sanatani on December 12, 2008 12:06:44 pm
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#12 Posted by pinku on December 12, 2008 1:22:47 pm
It is bad that things like AIMPLB exist in India, sooner or later such idiotic boards need to be dismantled...
Check their site, to see what they think about themselves..
#13 Posted by krbhatti on December 12, 2008 2:50:56 pm
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#14 Posted by VRV on December 12, 2008 3:11:19 pm
Khalid Yaar,
'.... even those dogs who survive on the heap of trash stand up and bark for the village when any intruder from outside comes in.'
This sentence jolted me, really (while keeping aside wrong and right issues in the article).
I think there could be many dimensions to an issue. I saw it from Indian perspective. U saw it from native Pakistani perspective and Mr. Khan saw it from his mohajir's perspective.
'.... even those dogs who survive on the heap of trash stand up and bark for the village when any intruder from outside comes in.'
This sentence jolted me, really (while keeping aside wrong and right issues in the article).
I think there could be many dimensions to an issue. I saw it from Indian perspective. U saw it from native Pakistani perspective and Mr. Khan saw it from his mohajir's perspective.
#15 Posted by krbhatti on December 12, 2008 3:26:57 pm
VRV,
Having many perspective to look at any given issue is not an issue here. I myself am strongly in favour of putting myself (or at least I try) in shoes of all the people concerned before arriving at any conclusion. What I reacted to in this article was the blatant attempt on part of author to absolve himself of all the responsibilities of what went wrong in Pakistan. After all these were the people at the helms of affairs in Pakistan.
BTW, there is no dearth of such people in Pakistan itself. One supreme example of mediocrity and who absolves himself is the one called Roedad Khan. Read his book, and you will have a chill going down your backbone that these people are actually the one who controlled our destiny..
Having many perspective to look at any given issue is not an issue here. I myself am strongly in favour of putting myself (or at least I try) in shoes of all the people concerned before arriving at any conclusion. What I reacted to in this article was the blatant attempt on part of author to absolve himself of all the responsibilities of what went wrong in Pakistan. After all these were the people at the helms of affairs in Pakistan.
BTW, there is no dearth of such people in Pakistan itself. One supreme example of mediocrity and who absolves himself is the one called Roedad Khan. Read his book, and you will have a chill going down your backbone that these people are actually the one who controlled our destiny..
#16 Posted by VRV on December 12, 2008 3:47:35 pm
Khalid,
I agree my brother. I shall get that book and read it.
I agree my brother. I shall get that book and read it.
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