Civil Society Pleads for Peace

Re: # 91

"and i am sure saudi arabia will be happy to finance this venture ..... think of the possibilities! "

Hamidm2 ever had the misfortune of traveling to Saudi Arabia? If you had than you probably wouldn't be saying this

Folks:

I just read an excellent book written by the incredible Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid: Descent into Chaos - The United States and the Failure of Nation Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia.

Two words are necessary to describe Rashid: Amazingly courageous.

He has written a scathing commentary on the US policy under Bush, Pakistan, Karzai and NATO. Most of all, he faults Bush policies and Pakistan's ISI. I am surprised that he can be so candid about the ISI and still remain a free man in Lahore. More than his arrest, I fear an assassination.

He lays bare ISI's policies towards Afghanistan. He quotes a retired Pakistani general sarcastically saying that the 'ISI has lot of intelligence, but little wisdom'. He makes it clear that the Taliban in Pakistan is nurtured by the establishment, and that it has begun to eat Pakistan from the inside. Towards the end of the book, he claims, that this has finally dawned on the Pakistani military and they have realized their folly, but now the Taliban are out of control.

There are many things that we already know, but there are far more details that he brings out that are not readily discussed in the media.

Hold on to your seats for a topsy-turvy ride ahead in the next few years.

hamidm #91 i hope you have taped the obama inauguration so you can tell future generations that you watched it on tv.

#83 mr. majumdar: i am so sorry to hear of mr. masadi's first amendment rights being suspended. i shall order seasonal flowers and a Book of Magic Spells by Grand Wizard Mills for him.

Re: # 90

nkg,

... thank you for confirming my point of view that pakistan does not need to export jihadis into india when they have more than 150 million potential fifth columnists inside india that can be groomed and deployed to carry on aurangzeb's work ..... the isi needs to rethink its strategy and i am sure saudi arabia will be happy to finance this venture ..... think of the possibilities!

Re: # 74
hamid...
Hyderabadi muslas are living very happily with selling their daughters to aged arab traders...even, the shariat, they follow is much more strict than what Mo had prescribed....
i.e. minimum age of a girl to marry is less than 4/5 years (muhammed had set the benchmark as 6 years/lower limit-the age when he lusted for the little girl ayesha) and one man can "marry" 6/7 sisters at a time ( bar raised from 4 to 10) . For granting islamic divorce ("tuluq"), all the what the "spouse" need to do is pronounce it (not necessary be loudly) 1/2 times in front of a camel....
Anyhow, if muslas start agitation, whatever luxury the Nazims are enjoying in AP, will loose everything(a BJP govt. in AP and single legislation is enough....).

#86 Posted by jayp

Hey, what is this dowry you are talking about?

For what I know, It is the groom who is supposed to pay 'Meher' to the girls as a compensation for using her as per islam tenets. Are the boys demanding dowry in Pakistan now? Are they not breaking the rules of Islam? If yes, do they still continue to be 'faithfuls'?

#74 Posted by hamidm2 on January 20, 2009 9:55:27 am
Re: # 73

"if only the hyderabadis would start a movement to reinstate the nizam ..... "

I believe that Nizam had his pants wet the moment Indian Army landed at Hy'bad soon after independence.

Anyway, even if there isn't any mujahideen force down south, you Pakis are always there to give credit to them for the unholy jobs done by punjabi terrorists. Remember INDIAN MUJAHIDEENS with heavy Paki punjabi accent claiming responsibility for Mumbai terror?

CIVIL SOCIETY PLEADS FOR SANITY

Paki govt has banned pillion riding because the gunmen are coming as pillions and shooting passers by. This ban has been a great success. Now the paki govt is planning to ban more than one passenger in cars.

from dawn of today//////////////////////////


KARACHI: 4,100 held for pillion-riding in 50 days



By Tahir Siddiqui


KARACHI, Jan 20: While the city police have arrested and penalised more than 4,100 motorcyclists since the Sindh home department clamped a ban on pillion-riding on Nov 30 last year, the restriction has become irksome for the general public as it has been placed by the authorities without citing any justification for it in the relevant notification.

Dowry prohibition


THIS refers to the letter, ‘Dowry prohibition’ (Jan 19) by Amir Aqil.

The custom of dowry is a part of the Hindu religion and is practised in India. With education and awareness which is slowly bringing a change in people’s lives and views and mindsets, the Hindus have come to realise the irrationality of this practice and how shameful it is. The Hindu media is creating awareness among the people through soap operas and films.

In India, the payment of dowry was prohibited in 1961 under the civil law. Unfortunately, Pakistanis are still staunch followers of this custom and it is increasing day by day. NGOs working for women’s rights should work on this menace. It’s time society raised its voice against dowry and filtered this act out of their lives.

MARIA ILYAS NAVEED
Karachi

////////from dawn/////////

Something the civil society mebers like Beena will never talk about. Pathetic beena..pathetic

Printable version
US 'agrees Afghan supply route'
Gen David Petraeus (left) and Gen Ashfaq Kayani
Gen Petraeus (left) also met Pakistan army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani

The US says a new supply path to Afghanistan has been agreed with Central Asian states and Russia as an option to the troubled Pakistan route.

US Central Command chief Gen David Petraeus made the announcement on a visit to Islamabad.

The route through the Khyber Pass has been closed several times in recent months after militants attacks.

////the above is from bbcnews///

The beginning of the resizing of pakistan. The US has finally accepted that pakistan has to be resized and the supply issue to afghanistan should bnot deter this effort.
The new strategic alliance with india will be an important element of this resizing of pakistan.

The peace initiative of obama will be an integration of the pushtoon areas including fata.

The sindh, well I look forward to atlaf hussain,. who at least shares the same name with obama.

Punjab should be renamed pakistan.

the irony of attempting to post about civil society in one of the most uncivil forums I have seen is staggering.

until you actually crack down on people vitiating the atmosphere, civil society will stay the hell away from this site.

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Re: # 80
BJ...
Kashmir covers every inch of space in Paki mind...where is space left for promise etc. etc...?

Re: # 55
bsm...
I can not comment about distant future, but the recent trend ( last 10/15 years) India is integrating much more than ever before....More and more people are asserting their regional identity and still ready to contribute more towards Bharat...at least, economic integration and people movement is much higher now.....at least another 20/30 years the concept of India is safe....can you guarantee that about Pakistan?....
If you are comparing Naxalite rebels of India with jihadis in Pakistan, then you are making some mistakes....weed out economic issues, naxalite force will be asset to India (I am sure)...can you say about Talibs?....you need to create problems outside to keep them engaged, otherwise they will damage your own country....

Re: # 79

Thank you, janaab -- I am sure Mr. Towns is appreciative of your kindness and charitable nature. I am equally sure he will be even more appreciative when he ACTUALLY receives a real check instead of vague promises -- only to be forgotten!

Just like the Mushy forgot all the promises he made about pulling back those jihadis!

Just like the Zardari forgot all the promises he made about bringing the ISI under civilian control to curb the "non-state" actors!

Just like YOU seem to have forgotten your promises to contribute from past posts.

Perhaps it is something peculiarly characteristic of that land! Its people always forget! :((