Civil Society Pleads for Peace

Re: # 109
GF...
"...wake up"
yeh and then submit to arabic moon god and make hell of a beautiful place, the way Pakis converted Taxila, the best place of learning to centre of IT (islamic terrorism)....
for the time being (until i wake up), I will try my best to make my place(Bangalore), centre of IT( Information Technology)...I wish that wake up (better to say curse) never happens....
meanwhile enjoy drone attacks on your IT centres....

Just like in the movies when a priest flashes a cross, the devil screams! The same way, those whose souls are warped and taken over by Iblees, shout here at ChowQ.

Can you all recognize yourselves little anti-Islam/Pakistan devils?

Re: # 107 nkg...watch out don't get too apoplectic lest you get a seizure for you are just a juvenile (delinquent)...one day you you will finally wake up from under that intoxicating spell of urine consumption, cow dung tooth paste, voodoo magic and Kali Maa

Re: # 103
hamidm2...
why the duch people allowed muslas to settle in their country and offered civilina rights like voting,driving etc...?
if you bring street dog at your home, you put your family members' health at risk...now you are living with dog and may need to sacrifice something...there is no point making film etc... which bears no meaning to muslas...Geert Wilders should be punished, whatever reason it may be...I can see at least the stupidity is one of the reasons...

Re: # 104
GF...
LOL...
all this barking will not save you or your father/mother from being strip searched at the airports or downloaded from the aeroplanes for safety reasons or 3rd degree punishment in Gitmo....or that matter change the usage of the word paki....

#104 Posted by Goldfinger

Hey, why did you get into that septic tank? Come out of it. It is unhygienic

By the way, are u a cockroach yourself?? In that case I am not willing to advise you to be a displaced person.

Re: # 101

o' sir Hamid,

Whats up? Have you had a change of mind or just laying a trap for the likes of nkg and krishna?

I have seen u in the past also when you have spoken horribly against the 'horrible' hindoooos and suddenly changing track.

If this is your forte then in that case we would wish every Pakistani to be like you. There would be less bashing and less badmouthing. you follow your faith and let us follow ours

What is this...a thugee-fest? Seems like all the thugs, madly drunk on urine, come out on each board like huge cockroaches on a dark night in a slimy latrine, dancing macabrely in the moonlight with weird face masks, while from somewhere up there sitting with ghosts, gremlins and elves, watches over them the many handed hydra, black, with huge round eyes, and horrible red tongue lusting after blood of human sacrifice...their Kali Maa!

Re: # 101

tahir mian,

uh? ... what 'truth' are you talking about? ........ it is a crying shame when a western democracy can be threatened into restricting freedom of speech by a bunch of iman crazed mohammedans .........

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#99 hamidm2

[..... shame on the dutch courts for censoring a man for speaking the truth! ..... what happened to 'dutch courage' - i guess the judges ran out of alcohol ]

Nope, what the Dutch government and the EU knows is that they are between a rock (Russia) and a hard place (the middle east teeming with pedo-worshippers). So if they don't want to run out of gas, they have to come up with a public circus.

The silver lining is that, in a court of law outside a Muslim country, the ACTUAL CONTENTS of this guy's book and film will be dissected and re-dissected in front of the world audience. This will be a GREAT opportunity for the dissemination of truth, and a major danger for Islamists. What they have always tried to silence by force is going to come out into the open.

A great day for the truth to be displayed for all to see.

hamidm: you did not watch the inauguration. not one new article on chowk on the inauguration - only the usual usual with poor mr. masadi locked up yet again by the Evil Elite, communicating with the outside world through majumdar. i now realize that chowk is indeed a website on another planet.

Re: # 98

tahir mian,

..... shame on the dutch courts for censoring a man for speaking the truth! ..... what happened to 'dutch courage' - i guess the judges ran out of alcohol

Islam film: Dutch MP to be charged!

Did all of you Islam-bashers read this bit of news at BBC?

#94 Posted by Pew_Research

'ISI has lot of intelligence, but little wisdom'.

'quotable quote' huh?

Zaid Ahmed would be upset.

Re: # 93

tahmed,

.... no, i did not watch obama's inauguration ..... it was bad enough to swallow the bitter pill and vote for him - i hope this country survives with the democrats in charge of congress and the white house .......... in case you did't notice, the market was down more than 300 points yesterday .....

..... i hope i don't live to regret the day when i lost my senses and voted for mr hussein .........

Re: # 91

"and i am sure saudi arabia will be happy to finance this venture ..... think of the possibilities! "

Hamidm2 ever had the misfortune of traveling to Saudi Arabia? If you had than you probably wouldn't be saying this

Folks:

I just read an excellent book written by the incredible Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid: Descent into Chaos - The United States and the Failure of Nation Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia.

Two words are necessary to describe Rashid: Amazingly courageous.

He has written a scathing commentary on the US policy under Bush, Pakistan, Karzai and NATO. Most of all, he faults Bush policies and Pakistan's ISI. I am surprised that he can be so candid about the ISI and still remain a free man in Lahore. More than his arrest, I fear an assassination.

He lays bare ISI's policies towards Afghanistan. He quotes a retired Pakistani general sarcastically saying that the 'ISI has lot of intelligence, but little wisdom'. He makes it clear that the Taliban in Pakistan is nurtured by the establishment, and that it has begun to eat Pakistan from the inside. Towards the end of the book, he claims, that this has finally dawned on the Pakistani military and they have realized their folly, but now the Taliban are out of control.

There are many things that we already know, but there are far more details that he brings out that are not readily discussed in the media.

Hold on to your seats for a topsy-turvy ride ahead in the next few years.

hamidm #91 i hope you have taped the obama inauguration so you can tell future generations that you watched it on tv.

#83 mr. majumdar: i am so sorry to hear of mr. masadi's first amendment rights being suspended. i shall order seasonal flowers and a Book of Magic Spells by Grand Wizard Mills for him.

Re: # 90

nkg,

... thank you for confirming my point of view that pakistan does not need to export jihadis into india when they have more than 150 million potential fifth columnists inside india that can be groomed and deployed to carry on aurangzeb's work ..... the isi needs to rethink its strategy and i am sure saudi arabia will be happy to finance this venture ..... think of the possibilities!

Re: # 74
hamid...
Hyderabadi muslas are living very happily with selling their daughters to aged arab traders...even, the shariat, they follow is much more strict than what Mo had prescribed....
i.e. minimum age of a girl to marry is less than 4/5 years (muhammed had set the benchmark as 6 years/lower limit-the age when he lusted for the little girl ayesha) and one man can "marry" 6/7 sisters at a time ( bar raised from 4 to 10) . For granting islamic divorce ("tuluq"), all the what the "spouse" need to do is pronounce it (not necessary be loudly) 1/2 times in front of a camel....
Anyhow, if muslas start agitation, whatever luxury the Nazims are enjoying in AP, will loose everything(a BJP govt. in AP and single legislation is enough....).

#86 Posted by jayp

Hey, what is this dowry you are talking about?

For what I know, It is the groom who is supposed to pay 'Meher' to the girls as a compensation for using her as per islam tenets. Are the boys demanding dowry in Pakistan now? Are they not breaking the rules of Islam? If yes, do they still continue to be 'faithfuls'?

#74 Posted by hamidm2 on January 20, 2009 9:55:27 am
Re: # 73

"if only the hyderabadis would start a movement to reinstate the nizam ..... "

I believe that Nizam had his pants wet the moment Indian Army landed at Hy'bad soon after independence.

Anyway, even if there isn't any mujahideen force down south, you Pakis are always there to give credit to them for the unholy jobs done by punjabi terrorists. Remember INDIAN MUJAHIDEENS with heavy Paki punjabi accent claiming responsibility for Mumbai terror?

CIVIL SOCIETY PLEADS FOR SANITY

Paki govt has banned pillion riding because the gunmen are coming as pillions and shooting passers by. This ban has been a great success. Now the paki govt is planning to ban more than one passenger in cars.

from dawn of today//////////////////////////


KARACHI: 4,100 held for pillion-riding in 50 days



By Tahir Siddiqui


KARACHI, Jan 20: While the city police have arrested and penalised more than 4,100 motorcyclists since the Sindh home department clamped a ban on pillion-riding on Nov 30 last year, the restriction has become irksome for the general public as it has been placed by the authorities without citing any justification for it in the relevant notification.

Dowry prohibition


THIS refers to the letter, ‘Dowry prohibition’ (Jan 19) by Amir Aqil.

The custom of dowry is a part of the Hindu religion and is practised in India. With education and awareness which is slowly bringing a change in people’s lives and views and mindsets, the Hindus have come to realise the irrationality of this practice and how shameful it is. The Hindu media is creating awareness among the people through soap operas and films.

In India, the payment of dowry was prohibited in 1961 under the civil law. Unfortunately, Pakistanis are still staunch followers of this custom and it is increasing day by day. NGOs working for women’s rights should work on this menace. It’s time society raised its voice against dowry and filtered this act out of their lives.

MARIA ILYAS NAVEED
Karachi

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Something the civil society mebers like Beena will never talk about. Pathetic beena..pathetic

Printable version
US 'agrees Afghan supply route'
Gen David Petraeus (left) and Gen Ashfaq Kayani
Gen Petraeus (left) also met Pakistan army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani

The US says a new supply path to Afghanistan has been agreed with Central Asian states and Russia as an option to the troubled Pakistan route.

US Central Command chief Gen David Petraeus made the announcement on a visit to Islamabad.

The route through the Khyber Pass has been closed several times in recent months after militants attacks.

////the above is from bbcnews///

The beginning of the resizing of pakistan. The US has finally accepted that pakistan has to be resized and the supply issue to afghanistan should bnot deter this effort.
The new strategic alliance with india will be an important element of this resizing of pakistan.

The peace initiative of obama will be an integration of the pushtoon areas including fata.

The sindh, well I look forward to atlaf hussain,. who at least shares the same name with obama.

Punjab should be renamed pakistan.

the irony of attempting to post about civil society in one of the most uncivil forums I have seen is staggering.

until you actually crack down on people vitiating the atmosphere, civil society will stay the hell away from this site.

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Re: # 80
BJ...
Kashmir covers every inch of space in Paki mind...where is space left for promise etc. etc...?

Re: # 55
bsm...
I can not comment about distant future, but the recent trend ( last 10/15 years) India is integrating much more than ever before....More and more people are asserting their regional identity and still ready to contribute more towards Bharat...at least, economic integration and people movement is much higher now.....at least another 20/30 years the concept of India is safe....can you guarantee that about Pakistan?....
If you are comparing Naxalite rebels of India with jihadis in Pakistan, then you are making some mistakes....weed out economic issues, naxalite force will be asset to India (I am sure)...can you say about Talibs?....you need to create problems outside to keep them engaged, otherwise they will damage your own country....

Re: # 79

Thank you, janaab -- I am sure Mr. Towns is appreciative of your kindness and charitable nature. I am equally sure he will be even more appreciative when he ACTUALLY receives a real check instead of vague promises -- only to be forgotten!

Just like the Mushy forgot all the promises he made about pulling back those jihadis!

Just like the Zardari forgot all the promises he made about bringing the ISI under civilian control to curb the "non-state" actors!

Just like YOU seem to have forgotten your promises to contribute from past posts.

Perhaps it is something peculiarly characteristic of that land! Its people always forget! :((

Re: # 78

bj mian,

.... now that you have refreshed my memory, i will make sure that i do send in a contribution to mr towns - he seems to be a good man who is not easily fooled by the simian antics of gandhiji and his followers ..........

mr. towns zindabad !

Re: # 77

Surely Hamidm2 miaN, your memory has not failed you THAT much!

Mr. Towns is the (House of Representatives) gentleman from that sacred, Pakistan-like, borough of Brooklyn, NY -- the borough having a sizeable Pakistani-origin segment of population. The gentleman has distinguished himself by occasionally loosening tirades against Gandhiji in the House and also by slipping in two-pager write-ups with the same topic headers (allegedly drafted by our Khalistani bhai's in the Land of the Free) into the Congressional Records.

As Chowk records are my witness - you (yes, YOU!) promised to make -- in full view of the chowkies, a sizeable contribution to his campaign coffers right on this web-site -- a promise that you most likely forgot, in the light of your statement in #77 that you have no idea who he is. (I have a tough time believing that you would have actually sent money to somebody if you have no idea who that somebody is!)

That's the problem with you Pakistanis -- you promise the moon, but when it comes to delivery time, all we get from you is...

"Who, me?! I have no idea what you are talking about!"

Re: # 75

bj mian,

.... i hate to admit it, but i still have no idea who mr towns is? ..... my congressman is some yahoo named gary peters

Re: # 74

[if only the hyderabadis would start a movement to reinstate the nizam]

I am sure old Harish will hold them back mightily.

BTW, talking of the Hyderabad nizaam, I was looking at the old map of his estate and one can only marvel at the genius of Patel/Nehru. When we think of Hyderabad today, we pretty much think of the city -- no big deal. But back then, the nizaam's estate pretty much included most of South India. I think it was a smart move to divvy it up. It reminds me a bit of the Louisiana purchase and then creating the state of Louisiana.

Re: # 74

[nothing would please me more than to see the madrassa and madrasi forces kill each other...]

miaN, your khaki bhaizaans were thinking along the same lines. They failed.

BTW, how come Mr. Towns does not come to town any more?! Or at least does not go on anti-Gandhiji tirades? Have you been fulfilling your campaign contribution pledges in a timely manner?

Re: # 73

bj mian,

.... actually, both ..... nothing would please me more than to see the madrassa and madrasi forces kill each other if we could keep the damage confined to madras ........ come to think of it, it might be possible to raise a million man army from deoband and hyderabad to keep the madrasi army tied down south of the godavari river ...... if only the hyderabadis would start a movement to reinstate the nizam .....

Re: # 72

[has nothing to do with my love and compassion for the madrasi forces ]

MiaN, you mean Madrassa forces!

Re: # 70

bj mian,

.... i agree with you that pakistan should be supporting, training and arming indigenous kashmiri freedom fighters instead of 'slipping in jihadis' ....... this is to avoid the horrible 'blowback' in pakistan and has nothing to do with my love and compassion for the madrasi forces ......

hamidm is absolutely right.

Kashmir has been lingering for too long. We need to resolve it and move on. Lets make the LoC as the International Border and go our ways. India will not ask for "Azad Kashmir" and Pakistan will stop whining about the Indian part of Kashmir.

Re: # 66

Hamidm2 janab, forget Kashmir. Consider yourself lucky if you can hold on to Swat!

What you guys really need are a bunch of Pakistani patriots who will (1) put the well-being of the awaam BEFORE the well-being of their fattened waist-lines, (2) respect the mandate of the elections -- treat the civilian leaders as their bosses rather than their lackeys, (3) fight like a man, man-to-man, instead of slipping in bunches of jihadis, (4) accept your dead soldiers as your own and accord them all the due honors and recognitions that are due to all dead soldiers everywhere in the world!

That's the type of Pakistani patriot that's needed -- not the current crop in khakis!

When ur army trained terrorists kill Indians...because of kashmir or gujarat...it is our problem. And it is gonna be solved by putting up more dams up river, exacerbating the talibam takeover of your civil society and watching pakistan turn into afghanistan or somalia. But kashmir, you will never have....you frankly don't deserve it and have shown urselves to be poor administrators and even worse citizens. So there!

Re: # 62

DM-jee, you probably know the answer as well as anybody else. The situation in Pakistan and in some other countries is not conducive to an outright declaration of the kind that you desire. It is all fine and dandy to make such pronouncements from North America, though I doubt that one could do it from India, either. Scribes, like janitors, simply try to do the best that they can under a given set of constraints.

Re: # 66

...... i just noticed a freudian slip - ttracks! ........ i would like to trademark that term for indian railroad tracks ..... any objections?

Re: # 65

bj mian,

.... aw shut up! ... you know what i am talking about - kashmir ...... all the other nonsense that you are spouting has nothing to do with the horrible hindoos - that is for us pakis to sort out among ourselves..... it would be like telling you guys that you have to solve your core problem of providing toilets for 500 million people - it is none of our business if you guys like to squat on railroad ttracks .....

Re: # 63

Yes, miaN. The talk of improving relations between Pakistan and India shall remain a lot of nonsense unless and until the core issues of (1) Pakistani khakis running a reign of dictatorship on the hapless Pakistani awaam -- both directly and through their Taleban proxies, (2) Pakistani Punjabis running rough-shod all over the three other Pakistani provinces, (3) Pakistani khakis using terrorism as state policy, and (4) Pakistani politicos (despite electoral mandate) having jelly-like spine and vigorously boot-licking those khaki boots, remain!

So miaN, I am in agreement with you. Do let us know when you guys START addressing the core issues. I am sure it may happen sometime in the Twentyfirst Century.

India should do nothing. Let these pakis go down wth the Taliban....time is on India's side. Core issue is a stupid argument to make when your only negotiating power is terrorism....which in the end hurts you more than your victims.

Re: # 62

dost miattar ji,

... until and unless india agrees to resolving the 'core' issue all this nonsense about improving relations is just that - nonsense! .......

Beena:

I was searching in the article for any protest by peace committees against LeT or a demand by any of these organizations to demand that organizaitons like JeM or LeT not be allowed to come up under new names. Instead, I saw inane statements like ""It is only the weapons manufacturers and sellers who want this, because that is the only way they can sell their wares," he told IPS. "That is what is blocking the road to peace. We must call for disarmament and remove these road blocks." What has disarmament to do with terrorist attacks?

When I arrived in Islamabad, I came across attractive advertisements for internet and TV packages and immediately applied for one.

A courteous lady at customer service promised to deliver the package in less than a week.

Street scene in Rawalpindi
The capital does not have the same chaos as other cities

But it took two weeks to arrive.

And when engineers did come over to set up the connection, they immediately ran into trouble. The TV came on, but the internet line would just not connect.

It took four hours to discover that someone else was using my username and password even before I could log on. I was shocked.

The engineers then did a strange thing, which they didn't tell me about. They logged me on through someone else's username and password, and left.

I discovered this three days later, when my internet went down.

//////the above is from bbc, the plight of a bbc reporter.

So much for the integrity of the pakis.

Bajaur's IDPs – our wretched of the earth
Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Farhat Taj

I spend a whole day with the internally displaced people, IDPs, from Bajaur in a camp near Peshawar. I went from tent to tent to meet the traumatized families and to listen to their ordeals in their own words. Most of the time I interacted with women.

Almost all IDPs have stories of horrors to tell. Some of the stories occurred to themselves, some to their relatives, friends or fellow villagers. Almost all women I met told me how their right to mobility was curbed by the Taliban. An elderly woman, a grandmother, said her daughter-in-law is widow and she used to accompany her children to a hospital in Peshawar, whenever they needed medical treatment. The Taliban threatened women with dire consequences if they came in the public unaccompanied by men.

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The isi is finally winning. The isi are the supporters of taliban, the foreign militants whom the paki army will not attack and hence the predators operated by the US. Now having established the dominance of alquida and taliban under isi help, the paki military has withdrawn leaving those territories for alquida to rule.

With the help of isi, teh al quida has created an are to be ruled by them after being driven out of afghanistan/

The isi is still with the startegic depth idsea, and hopes that one day the fata based taliban, nutured byy isi will take over afghanistan.

#45 Posted by harish_hyd

Hey harish,

I swear you are a genius yaar!!!!

Lashkar offers to put down arms in held Kashmir



By Jawed Naqvi


NEW DELHI, Jan 19: In a move clearly timed to coincide with the inauguration of a new American administration, the Lashkar-e-Taiba in Jammu and Kashmir was reported on Monday to have offered to shun its armed campaign for justice if the international community would help peacefully resolve the bloody dispute dogging the Himalayan region for decades.
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From dawn of today //////////

At last the kashmiris have started listening. They have realised that what islamic pakistan has to offer is honour killings, hoodood ordinace and poverty and misery. They have also realised that the vision of jinnah is unfolding in swat where the isi has created the jinnahic vision and the paki army has withdrawn from there.

The kashmiris are coming to their senses that the jinahic version of TNT-islam is simply terror. It is a version that kills the ciltural history, it is a terror version supported by the paki govt and taught in madrassas.

Beena, the efforts of the "civil" society are well-intentioned -- just like your piece is. Unfortunately, the "civil" society represents a shrinking segment of the population.

Re: # 16
Dear NO:52 Clowing Street

You've shocked me by using the term Insha Allah in your post. You turned out to be a bad Muslim after all, and I thought you were a retired RAW major. How could I?

Thanks for the hint: to the Kashmiris, 'IT' means getting 'Indian Terrority' and not that other 'information technology'.

Thanks, thanks, many thanks.

PS: more thanks!

#51
nkg
what makes you think that India won't disintegrate ever. Well, beta jani, history and future are crueler than love. So get over this 'mera bharat mahaan' mantra.

I can assure you that your grand children will be living in one of the seperated states. Likh key rakh lo, Champoo grandpa-to-be!
-E

Another set of future cuts to Indian.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7836875.stm

* but not by India

Jayp,

Pakistanis would willingly get snubbed by US but not India...

Re: # 46
ahmed...
I can guarantee you, even your grant children will die in jihad against India and it will continue without much success, unless and until India thinks, it is appropriate moment to download Kashmir with appropriate price tag....

The daughter of chief justice of pakistan got two marks for a question which has only one mark for teh correct answer. The pakistani court found this acceptable.

Pakistan says that teh mumbai jihadis will be tried in paki courts..something to look forward to. Pakistan is so corrupt that even the ducated like the ones on chowk do not kknow what is corruption.

from jang of today

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Farah Dogar got two marks out of one!

Monday, January 19, 2009

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: The two samples of Miss Farah Hameed Dogar’s answer sheets reveal another aspect of scandalous jacking up of her marks.

The answer sheets were made part of the Islamabad High Court’s recent judgment to prove “irregularities� that were cited as the reason for the re-assessment of her papers. In one case pertaining to the paper of Physics II, despite her answer being incorrect, Miss Farah was given two marks while that part carried only one mark. In

lobal community should ask India to resume talks: Qureshi
Updated at: 1230 PST, Monday, January 19, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said global community should ask India to resume dialogues with Pakistan.

In a briefing to foreign ambassadors about the efforts made and investigations conducted so far by Pakistan in connection with the Mumbai attacks here on Monday, foreign minister said investigations are moving forward according to specific strategy and we will try to satisfy India about these investigations.
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from jang of today. The humiliation of a nation continues. At last pakis are telling that they will satisfy indias demands. The nuclear powered country, the islamic bo,mb maker, pride of islam, meetinmg and staisfying indias demands..this is not paki humiliation..this is islamic humiliation.

Financial crisis of PIA


PIA, having acquired fuel-efficient long range B777s, which are being successfully operated by leading airlines of the world, needs to ground fuel-guzzling B747s as per the original business plan submitted to financial institutions, which funded the deal.

Had the airline properly negotiated financial loans required to fund the B777 purchase and gone for white-tailed United Airlines B777s, which were on offer, the airline could have saved hundreds of millions of dollars, which were needlessly wasted by those seeking huge cutbacks.

The business plan submitted was based on replacement of B747s which were not found to be viable at fuel price in excess of $29, 10 per cent annual increase in revenues, reduction in maintenance costs, etc.

Instead of that we have seen the last quarter loss skyrocketing to Rs20.4 billion or Rs9.49 million an hour, which exposes the competence level, pilferages, poor planning, bad marketing strategies of the management.

The loss of Rs38.4 billion, incurred by PIA from January to September 2008, is more than the total losses of the airline during the last nine years.

This is mindless wastage of taxpayers’ money and should not be allowed to go unchecked.

ABRAR H
Faisalabad

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The trials of a nation continues. There are no competant persons in any field in pakistan. Even running an airline, deciding on best options to buy capital goods, no one in pakistan can make an inteligent decision.

One can see the problem in the response of pakis on chowk. Look at tahmed, ylh, romair et..plain and simple stupid in their arguments.

Re: # 46
ahmed...
have you seen the consequence of jihad from Pakistan as well as some section of Pelus?
India lost nothing from its position in 1948. Pakistan lost 1/2 of its territory and now the country and its people are favourite object hate and dislike accross world...Arabs also achieved nothing from 1948, rather than loosing land......

Re: # 44 Mr. B.Tullah is smart man and warrier. He has declared support and ready to send his fire power against India and Isreal and has got good publicity. Now army is not going to do that so army looses in reputation which mr.B gets free credit without firing a shot. All wars have propagamda to inspire troops. But Hammas should not send rocket to israel as Isarael is India.They need to change policy as now they are popular but if this happens all time they can loose popularity. Also looses slowly intensity of feeling in hearts of Awam.
Good day

#36 by bittersweetmojo

aik tu aap kaley hain, dosrey aap ki zaban bhi kali hai!

Bhai/Behen, being kala ranks way higher than being a Paki. After all, wasn't Prince Harry pulled up for calling a co-cadet a Paki?

Come up with your figures, I will accept them. Aap bataein tu sahi! :)

B!atch, google it up and leave the Paki sources out. You will get the right figure.

Well, they get paid for this by Americans. But you spend your poor people's tax money, wasting it in fact.

If it helps flush the valley out of you Puki terrorists, I will be willing to pay double the tax that I'm paying now. And if it helps screw Pakistan more (read cleanse Pakistan out of the vermin that abounds there), I'm sure Americans will be willing to pay you more.

uff allah...safety tu dekhein zara...whatever-lakh forces kyun rakhi hain if your part of valley is SAFE. :)

Target practice. As you might be aware, there are a lot of your compatriots sneaking in to create mischief. The Indian army, in order to keep its forces in operational readiness brings them to the valley to get some practice. The cheapest way if you ask me :)

Kya matlab! :)... Doesn't your part of valley get connected with other areas, Champoo?

B!atch, only, we don't bring in settlers from other parts to out-populate the locals.

Arey consulates ko ghaas kon dalta hai! We believe in cut-throat business! Don't mess with us. :P

Sure! No wonder the Taliban cut the throats of any Paki soldier foolish enough to venture out of their bunkers. And guess what the consulates do? Prop up the Taliban to cut Paki fauji throats.

Re: # 29
ahmed...
you guys need to grow up...
Israel is surrounded by 6/7 islamic neighbours, who should take care of Pelu-Israel matters....even India is now withdrawing from the scene. Let the arabs and EU ( rance, Italy, Britain...) should decide on the matter...
What the heck these Baitullahs will do in Israel?...they will rather make the life of ordinary Pelus, worse....
I am sure Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Syria is not helping the cause of Pelus...they are just using them to keep the fight going on...Pelus has to realise it.....

Re: # 37
bsm..
bast***...
your father was pleading to Indian soldiers to spare your mom's c*** in 1971....and you are talking about slapping etc...

didn't I say the same thing...a plea for peace won't get india anywhere..it needs to do all it can to kill as many pakis as possible...because the only good paki is a dead paki

Non-violence can't tackle terror: Dalai
The Dalai Lama, a lifelong champion of non-violence on Saturday candidly stated that terrorism cannot be tackled by applying the principle of ahimsa because the minds of terrorists are closed.

"It is difficult to deal with terrorism through non-violence," the Tibetan spiritual leader said delivering the Madhavrao Scindia Memorial Lecture here.

He also termed terrorism as the worst kind of violence which is not carried by a few mad people but by those who are very brilliant and educated.

"They (terrorists) are very brilliant and educated...but a strong ill feeling is bred in them. Their minds are closed," the Dalai Lama said.

He said that the only way to tackle terrorism is through prevention. The head of the Tibetan government-in-exile left the audience stunned when he said "I love President George W Bush." He went on to add how he and the US President instantly struck a chord in their first meeting unlike politicians who take a while to develop close ties.

Civil society needs to be represented in the parliament and power should be brought down to people. Until then, no amount of noise that "civil society" makes will be heard.

allah-o-fubar...pure islam comes to the land of the pure

Taliban’s deadly ‘justice’ cows Pakistan
Sharia judges are ordering beatings and executions as punishment for cases of 'immoral activity'

Daud Khattak, Peshawar

FORCED face first into the dust and pinned down by three men in black hoods, a young offender faced the merciless force of Taliban justice in Pakistan last week as he was beaten 30 times with a hard rod fashioned from old car tyres.

The punishment – for smoking cannabis – was inflicted in front of a silent crowd of approving bearded men and curious young boys in the North West Frontier Province village of Ser Talergram, a few miles from the once-popular ski resort of Malam Jabba.

In the nearby village of Dherai, three men in their thirties, Amjad Ali, Sarar Ali and one named only as Manai, were publicly lashed by armed, hooded Taliban policemen for drug dealing. Scarred by the beating, one of the men was so humiliated that he would no longer leave his home.

More than 70 Taliban courts are now ruling on hundreds of cases of “immoral activity� every week in the Swat valley, whose mountains, lakes and meadows were once a draw for tourists.

As insurgents vie for control of the area and impose sharia (religious law), harsh punishments are meted out for smuggling, using drugs or selling alcohol.

For women, refusal to wear a veil and dancing in public are punishable by death. The lesser charge of using a musical ring-tone can lead to the confiscation of the offending mobile phone or a hefty fine.

The Taliban’s reign of terror has prompted a series of advertisements in local Urdu newspapers from petrified Swat residents trying to renounce their offences to avoid brutal punishment. “I’ve stopped selling drugs and decided to earn my living by manual labour. In future, I won’t conduct un-Islamic business. Also, I’ll not use drugs,� said an advert published in a local Urdu paper by Nasirul Mulk, from Swat’s capital, Mingora.

The Taliban recently warned faith healers through their pirate radio station that they would face retribution if they did not stop “un-Islamic� practices. Yesterday a faith healer was found beheaded near Peshawar.

Other inhabitants endure the cruel consequences of the new hardline morality code. In Swat’s Mangalwar village, one man arrested for smuggling fell unconscious during a beating, but his tormentor insisted on carrying on until he had received all 30 lashes.

The 71 Taliban courts operating in the Kabal, Matta, Khwazakhela and Charbagh districts of Swat amount to a parallel legal system. Their judgments on finance, land disputes, smuggling and narcotics are arbitrary and handed out by self-proclaimed Taliban judges with scant legal or religious knowledge.

Taliban informers spy on people alleged to be breaking Islamic law, who then receive a three-day warning to shut their business. Most obey instantly, but anyone defying the order is arrested by armed Taliban and dragged to court for a summary trial the next day.

One Taliban judge in the Kooza Bandai region boasted that he had ruled on 55 cases in the past week. Almost all the decisions are verbal and there are no formal procedures.

The emergence of a parallel Taliban legal system has a sinister objective. “This is our first step towards the implementation of sharia in Swat,� said Muslim Khan, a Taliban spokesman. In the next phase, Khan said, the courts would begin to carry out harsher punishments, such as execution or chopping off hands.

Villagers said the Taliban were already killing people who defied their orders. “They didn’t even spare barbers and women coming out of markets without wearing their veils,� said a Mingora resident.

There have been 51 Taliban executions since the start of the year, he added. The victims include politicians, security men, dancers, prostitutes and shopkeepers selling alcohol.

Swat is not the only region now subject to Taliban justice. A fortnight ago a group of militants declared sharia in the Hangu district of the North West Frontier Province. The next day four men accused of robbery, their faces tarred, were paraded through a market on donkeys.

Other groups are also determined to deliver their own form of justice. Near the Khyber Pass, close to the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, the militant group Lashkar-e-Islam publicly executed two people for killing a taxi driver. The accused were blindfolded and paraded before a crowd chanting, “God is great.� Two bearded men then opened fire and killed them with a burst from AK-47 rifles.

#36 Posted by bittersweetmojo

"arey arey, ab kuch dhang ka keh dijiye ga jawab main, if you have a thing called MIND!"

How funny, you think you have given 'dhang ka jawab' to his statements!!


"Well, they get paid for this by Americans. But you spend your poor people's tax money, wasting it in fact. Be pragmatic!"

Well, this is height of shamelessness. You want somebody else to pay salary to your army and yet feel great about it! Indian tax payers did not complain to their money being used to pay salary to their soldiers. What is itching you?

"aik tu aap kaley hain"

The colour of skin is geographical phenomenon. We do not feel guilty about it. At least we know that our grandmothers did not get raped by Arabs and Mongolians. In fact we feel sorry that the people in your part of the world were worst sufferers at the hands of the invaders. Look at the height of shamelessness! You are so proud of your contaminated blood. Your ancestors must have been sharp brained Aryans. Just look at the standard of intellect you have, thanks to those Arabs!

We are a civilized society in India who believe that the appearance, colour of the skin, level of intelligence etc are the gift of the nature and one should not use this fact to humiliate others. You never know when your so called good looks would vanish. Anything can happen. You may meet with an accident, some musla terrorist or pervert may throw acid on your face...anything.

YOU HAVE TO COIN DIFFERENT WORDS LIKE 'KALA', HORRIBLE' ETC WORDS TO DESCRIBE INDIANS. BUT IN YOUR CASE THE ORD "PAKI" EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.

Madani Saheb,

Please join in your Palestinian brothers and the Mehsuds and make claim to your Shahadat!!!

#35
nkg,

arey wah...tu who is arguing with you. I was merely slapping you guys! :D

wo kehtey hain na humarey Lucknow main...."latton k bhoot baaton se nahi mantey". Precisely said for you kalay Indians. :)

#34
Harish bhaya...

aik tu aap kaley hain, dosrey aap ki zaban bhi kali hai!

check this out!

"7 lakh is a figure pulled out by your govt from its a$$. Come up with an independent source."

Come up with your figures, I will accept them. Aap bataein tu sahi! :)

"It is the Paki army that is caged in the tribal areas."

Well, they get paid for this by Americans. But you spend your poor people's tax money, wasting it in fact. Be pragmatic!

"the valley is safer than ever before lakhs of tourists having visited the place last year."

uff allah...safety tu dekhein zara...whatever-lakh forces kyun rakhi hain if your part of valley is SAFE. :)

"Sure. With Punjabis all around them, what is there for the Kashmiris to fear?"

Hain!! Kya matlab! :)... Doesn't your part of valley get connected with other areas, Champoo?

"If you think 7 consulates are too many, wait till we get a few more."

Arey consulates ko ghaas kon dalta hai! We believe in cut-throat business! Don't mess with us. :P

arey arey, ab kuch dhang ka keh dijiye ga jawab main, if you have a thing called MIND!

Re: # 33
bittersweet...
I am too supporter of Independent XXX...but then there are certain rules to be followed....If you are Paki then there is no point arguing it...4 wars means the scope of argument is no more available...

#33 by bittersweetmojo

you are forgetting the presence of 7 lakh forces in Kashmir.

7 lakh is a figure pulled out by your govt from its a$$. Come up with an independent source.

Doesn't it strike you as to how ISI and Pak Army caged you there virtually with the help of militants.

Hahaha! It is the Paki army that is caged in the tribal areas with soldiers advised to move around in civilian clothes. Can it get any more humiliating than that? OTOH, Indian soldiers move around in their uniforms and the valley is safer than ever before lakhs of tourists having visited the place last year.

Besides, our side of Kashmir is pretty fine. I visited the valley last year.

Sure. With Punjabis all around them, what is there for the Kashmiris to fear?

And on Kashmir, yes this nation stands united. Proxy war yaad hai na! :)

Haan, kyun nahi! The proxy war that is bleeding the Paki army in the frontier where your bahadurs are scared to get out of their bunkers. If you think 7 consulates are too many, wait till we get a few more.

#24
Anjun bhayya,

you are forgetting the presence of 7 lakh forces in Kashmir. Doesn't it strike you as to how ISI and Pak Army caged you there virtually with the help of militants. Besides, our side of Kashmir is pretty fine. I visited the valley last year.

For your information, I am a firm supporter of Independent Kashmir movement. Would never like to let them merge with Pakistan, which I know they never will. :) Great, nai?

And on Kashmir, yes this nation stands united. Proxy war yaad hai na! :)

BATRA: What I believe is that during the next several years, many companies, especially small ones will not survive. But if this company does survive, it should do very well when things turn around.

TAYLOR: Although you do not paint a very bright future for America as we head into a new millennium, you do hold out great hope that once America suffers through a devastating economic and perhaps social decline, things will get better. In chapter nine you say the following. "Soon after the stock market crash, a democratic revolution at the ballot box will catapult the United States into a golden age that will eclipse the reign of wealth in politics, establish a truly free enterprise economy, end permissiveness, and bring now discarded spiritual values back into fashion. Then will dawn a brilliant day, quickly sweeping across the world, the beginning of a thousand years of righteousness, compassion, and innate goodness on earth. The darker moments in human history will finally succumb to the nobility inherent in each and every one of us. It could take another thirty-year cycle before the new age sprouts in its all-encompassing effulgence, but come it will."

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Some good news. The above quote is from Ravi Batra , depression of 1999. He seem to have predicted the rise of obama.

#30 Posted by jayp

Isn't it that Indians have learnt the trick of caging the monkeys?. Lay the trap and sit aside. let the Pakis scurry round as much as it pleases them. Don't lose patience. Ultimately they would come round and get into the cage.

Clues given by India good: Pak
Islamabad, PTI:
Pakistan on Saturday acknowledged for the first time that the dossier on Mumbai attack given by India contained leads and good clues.


Pakistan also promised fair probe even if its citizens “are suspected� and said the results would be shared with New Delhi first.

Pakistan Interior Ministry chief Rahman Malik told a press conference here that Pakistan wanted to have an approach of “cooperative engagement� with India as war “is no solution� to the problem of terrorism “which is a global phenomenon. Quite a lot of material� was provided by India and the Pakistani investigators would work to convert this into “evidence that can stand up to judicial scrutiny.�

///////////humiliation continues. It was only yesterday that gilani said : what india has given is only info and not evidence and is of no use". Now another section of paki govt is telling the opposite. isi is iding with gfilani to protect the jihadis. Zardari is on teh US side, because they only organised for his return.

The humiliation of pakistan continues and good to see that there are not many pakistanis on chowk, teh defeated lot has scampered to their place under the stone.

Re: # 27 Smart moves by B.Tullah aginst pakistani forces. His reach not that far in Hiarchy. But he has scored great browny points. How can Army go after him when he is ready to fight Israel ? This move is psycological against army nothing more nothing less , capturing hearts in heartlands of Pakistan.

Re: # 17 Jayp... donot show contempt to arabs. They are nice to indians. Due to their largeness millions of indians are getting good life. ( maximum no of foreign workers working in arab lands are indians and not pakistanis for your kind information). You are wishing bad , low prices for black liquid gold. Arabs will just fire indians and start working who will suffere ? Arabs are smart too smart for americans. Do you know that americans died for saving Quwait while its young people were dancing and gambling in europe and getting to fancy dance floors. Arabs can do without India but Indians can not do without arabs as you need all petrodollars to buy petrol. What will happen to world if Arabs just start fires and go in deserts live in tents. They will not suffer much , deserts give all to locals but Indians will have to go to locomotion by camels very grand idea. Please do not be jalous and angry and greedy and envious as Indian is born in poor country while arab is born in wealth of immense petro dollars and gas. It is heavely gift to arabs and misery to india and Pakistan to some extent. Please Arabs do not compare themselves with india or pakistan but they compare to advanced economically to west like Japan, usa, uk etc. You poor indians stop envy of arab brothers and get ready to pay real dollars no concessions. Stop defamation of arabs. Good day.

Baitullah threatens suicide attacks against Israel
Sunday, January 18, 2009
Bureau report

PESHAWAR: Condemning Israeli attacks against the Palestinian people, the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) head Baitullah Mahsud claimed Saturday that his suicide bombers were ready to strike at Israel anywhere in the world.

According to the BBC Urdu Service, he gave a telephonic interview to it from somewhere in South Waziristan to record his views on the Israeli aggression against Gaza. When told that Israel was far away for him to strike, he said that his ‘fidayeen’ could strike anywhere in the world with the help of the lone superpower, Allah. “If I am alive, I will avenge the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinian Muslims not in one or two months but in several years,� he remarked.

///////from jang of today

beginning of teh end of pakistan. The isi backed kashmir jihadis have attacked india. The isi backed swat taliban are planning to attack israel. isi has organised for the paki army to vacate swat so that the taliban can operate freely from there.

The Pakistanis seem to relish punishment. It seems you can inflict the highest insult on them, deprive them of everything, play with their lives, default on basics, raise prices at will, deny them basic rights, leave them at the mercy of swindlers – all that and more and yet they go along plodding like dumb cows. What's it? Are we dead inside? Will things change? Will young men like our sad friend from Sialkot get a job? There are millions like him out there. There are answers. They are within each one of us. But we are too obsessed with getting ahead and in love with all things frivolous, so to find any real meaning here is like asking for the moon, invisible tonight because a cloud of smog already cloaks its pale face.

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Beena, there is no civil society in pakistan, there can be no concept of it. There can only be islamic society, pakistan is for islam. The k for kafir education system, the slaughter of animals in the houses by the man of the house etc are training for teh ultimate islamic religious role of jihad.

I recall that the fisher man whose boat was hijacked by the mumbai jihadis were killed with their throats cut, and the paki radioed back to his isi handlers that teh "bakras' have been slaughtered, the very image imprinted in that jihadis mind from childhood.

Re: # 21

Madani saab,

I recall that india proposed a price range for the oil when the prices were 150 dollars..the range was 50 to 70 dollars and the stupid arabs refused it.

Fools should become extinct according to darwin and arabs are the first to vanish.

#23 Posted by bittersweetmojo on January 17, 2009 3:31:41 pm


What they don't realize is that the moment Indian factor gets into it, 160 million people across the border will stand united.


really? there's an Indian "factor" in indian kashmir...you pakis being united and whatnot hasn't made a dime's worth of difference, has it..

kashmir is no closer to being pakistan than it's ever been...

#12 to 14
I agree with you Masadi. India is involved as it wants to get a role in War on Terror. Indians believe that this way they will get close to beat the hell out of Pimp Army. What they don't realize is that the moment Indian factor gets into it, 160 million people across the border will stand united.

Sometimes, I feel like thanking Indians for this. Never got a chance. Let me thank them now. Bring in on, you morons!

P.S: See Masadi. I am in fact using your words now. :)

#12 to 14
I agree with you Masadi. India is involved as it wants to get a role in War on Terror. Indians believe that this way they will get close to beat the hell out of Pimp Army. What they don't realize is that the moment Indian factor gets into it, 160 million people across the border will stand united.

Sometimes, I feel like thanking Indians for this. Never got a chance. Let me thank them now. Bring in on, you morons!

P.S: See Masadi. I am in fact using your words now. :)

Re: # 18 Jayp thatis not good news. Please arabs also peole and human and they also need money. The are rich is that their fault. Please do notenjoy misery of arab people. World should set some reasonable price like $60 / barrel as his resource is going down. All custmers should pay tax of $10/ barrel for future generation of Oil proucers when oil runs out. Newyork american gamblers are daaging arab countries they wil repent on day.

Re: # 18 Jayp thatis not good news. Please arabs also peole and human and they also need money. The are rich is that their fault. Please do notenjoy misery of arab people. World should set some reasonable price like $60 / barrel as his resource is going down. All custmers should pay tax of $10/ barrel for future generation of Oil proucers when oil runs out. Newyork american gamblers are daaging arab countries they wil repent on day.

Re: # 17 am little in trouble but not worried now as losses are killing. Elepahant as gone and tail is remaining. This time to keep faith in 200 points down and 400 points up theory. The most consoling factor even usa market is gong down sarching for bottom but not hio stil and sinking including Inia also. Now i feel like sitting in sinking ship so no point in now jumping in water, no life boats aroud. Now is importat not to go out and gutting chaces of recovery and confirmng losses is my attitude.
I hope fo best but prepare for worst, fortuately my daughters will send me money from outside ,I have not asked , I always use to think wasting money on daughters educaion is like watering some bodies fuit trees. But I have no son to waste money on them and ungrateful daughter in Laws any way family and raising children is charity work.
Thingsare going to improve as Mr. New president start pumping billionsof dollars and as american sea of stock market goe up all will go up. NYSE is also trouble an I can empthise with all. Thigs will improe as summr heat up.

Arabs lost $2.5 trillion from credit crunch: Kuwait
Sunday, January 18, 2009
KUWAIT CITY: Arab investors have lost $2.5 trillion from the credit crunch, Kuwaiti Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammad al-Sabah, whose country hosts an Arab economic summit next week, said on Friday.

“The Arab world has lost $2.5 trillion in the past four months� as a result of the global financial crisis, Sheikh Mohammad told a press conference following a joint meeting of Arab foreign and finance ministers in Kuwait.

He also said that about 60 per cent of development projects “have either been postponed or cancelled� by the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states because of the global meltdown.

Arab leaders who hold their first ever economic summit on January 19-20 will discuss the impact of the worldwide economic meltdown on the 22 Arab countries. The biggest loss was an estimated 40 per cent drop in the value of Arab investments abroad, which previously totalled around $2.5 trillion.

////////////from jang.

It was romair boasting about arab renewal and that of islam through oil money. The fact is that money can change nothing for a muslim, the thinking will continue to be rooted in the book. The earlier oil boom did nothing to teh arabs, they squandered their money, this time wait for the palm islands and the saudi uni to become slums.

#7 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 17, 2009 10:24:07 am

madani sahab..you were telling us about the KSE rebounding because it had one 200+ day...what happened this week?

i hope you didn't invest your life saving in that echo chamber of self-delusion...

In 2008, there were 599 bomb blasts and 6,715 Pakistanis lost their lives to terrorism.


inshallah this year will be even better for pakiland's IT industry...

that's IT as in islamic terrorism...not the other IT industry...

Many bomb blasts, many dead
Sunday, January 18, 2009
Dr Farrukh Saleem

Muslims are killing Muslims in the name of Islam. In 2008, there were 599 bomb blasts and 6,715 Pakistanis lost their lives to terrorism. In 2007, there were 462 bomb blasts and 3,599 Pakistanis had lost their lives to terrorism. Clearly, 2008 was worse than 2007. In 2003, there were only 2 suicide attacks; 56 suicide attacks in 2007 and 61 suicide attacks in 2008. It's surely getting worse. Look at the figures of annual fatalities resulting from terrorist violence: In 2003, total annual fatalities from terrorist violence stood at 189. In 2004, a total of 863 Pakistanis died, 648 died in 2005, 1,471 in 2006, 3,599 in 2007 and 6,715 died in 2008. Over the 2003-2008 period, 13,793 precious Pakistani lives have been consumed by terrorist violence.
//////from jang. The pathetic Dr Saleem, the above author laments that muslims are killing muslims and that is sad, should not happen. By implication the Dr claims that muslims killing kafirs are OK,. No doubt the DR has got the degree from a madrassa, and it is time that paki authorities prevent the madrassa people from using Dr.

...anything else moron?

Jayp writes "India is not involved"

India is deeply involved, conspiring with the U.S. In this new formed relationship, India will get f'ckd in the medium term, before it gets a thrashing from us in the short term....

Have a nice day,

TNITC masadi

jayp's quoted news item "Giving in to international pressure ..."

Any information coming from an alleged suspect by existential threat or torture is suspect.....

Have a nice day and bring it on....morons


TNITC masadi

Pak concedes India has got proof against Pak nationals
17 Jan 2009, 2245 hrs IST, TIMES NEWS NETWORK & AGENCIES
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ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI: Giving in to international pressure to "cooperate" with the investigation into the Mumbai terror attacks, Pakistan
acknowledged on Saturday India's 26/11 dossier has "proof" of involvement of the complicity of Pakistani elements.

The first-ever admission that India had proof came from Pakistan's interior ministry chief Rehman Malik who said that the newly-appointed probe panel has been asked to complete the task in 10 days.


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Beena,

Do you want to withdraw the above article. It is a one sided affair, only pakis need to do something to ensure peace. India is not involved.

"Such efforts encounter hostility between the nuclear-armed neighbours that
has been steadily increasing over the past few weeks"

Beena,

The above is from your article. Pause for a moment and ask teh question, why only the paki writers use the term " nuclear armed " while the indians and all other neclear powers do not mention it.

BEENA, pl think of it, is it because the paki bomb is an islamic bomb and as such you are p[roud of it. Why Beena for teh so called educayted like you, why is the bomb at the upper most of paki minds, and take it from me..you are not supporting any peace with article like these.

Only when you accept the fact, from 9/11 to london bombings to mumbai..the common factor is pakistanis, then only you can write the word peace with some honesty.

"People on both sides need peace, not war," declares Dr Nisar Ali Shah, a senior medico-legal officer at a government hospital in Karachi who is also the president of the recently launched Pakistan Peace and Solidarity Council, part of a world-wide network. "In no circumstances do the people want war."
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The above is from the article. Beena..did you ask the doctor, who told the above crap, whether the mumbai attack constitutes an act of war. A group of people supported and trained by the isi comes inside india and attacks, is it war or not.

Beena, it is the ideas like what you have in this article that prevents any peace, For the pakis, jihad is a routine religious function, and as such mumbai is not war.

Only when you pakis accept that jihad is an act of war, then and then only there can be peace.

In the mean time, spare the paper for teh correct use, after the signatures.

Re: # 7

"That is intelligent way to hurt others and become better economically. "

Madani saheb,

Please be the first person from the chowk to go on Jehad to Palestine....

Your Ummah would remember your sacrifices.....

Re: # 4 Wrong observation. They will haunt for few days Indians but after they are killed they will haunt state of Pakistan for years. Specially in money matters called investment. Now these are very patriotic pakiustanis but misguided hurting pakistan more than india.
Now same if they had travelled to gaza and fight it would have brought great sympathy for kashmir in arabs at least in verbal sense, though that is fictious also but atleast helps pakistan.Arab money will flood pakistan. Last time they faught for Jihad in A.stan and brought lots of money for that. This are jehidis but unfortunately their jihadic actions hurt pakistan than india is problemo. As said by Ayub we should not get angry but get intelligent, lean and mean. That is intelligent way to hurt others and become better economically.

Re: # 4 BTSWMOJO.... Only way to teach lesson is order back all army from western front move to eastern front and send all warriors to meet indians and just watch. There is no resolve really its all phony war. Look they should tax 10% for Kashmir and keep that money for several years and train millions and then at ripe times just make kargil. Problem is money and people do not want to pay taxes to match number for number , let have standing army of 2 million and fortified with cutting edge of 3 million extra non state worriers, we will get Kashmir of Paters surved by indian PM. There is nothing for power, look at Arab Iran war. Once at last Iran was about to win and ready for final offensive but their bankers said we can not pay. Victory slipped through Irani hands to teach lesson to Saddam. Money is key. Taxes if people pay govt can have army. No army no power, talibs and american hits and we just take shots.

""Joint Action and Investigative Agency for total cooperation and mutual assistance to address and overcome the problem of terrorism effectively".

Well , till the time the Paki school books keep on teaching and lauding Jehad and Shahadat.....till the time the mullahs keep of cursing us idolators and the 'educated' Pakis nod their heads in agreement.till the time the Pakistani urdu press and popular literature push negative stereo-types of "cuning-hindus" who worship "idols in small and dingy temples" .......

I do not see much use of this except to fool Indians into thinking that Pakis have change of heart with respect to Jehad and Shahadat.....

#3
arjun,
even dead pakistanis will haunt you all your life. Ah, so miserable your life we have made, huh?

What about killing thousands in Kashmir? What about the carnage against Nexalittes? if Kashmiris were jihadis, Nexallites were Maoists, baby. Why the hell did you kill them?

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"As tensions between Pakistan and India continue to see-saw,"

-- very interesting visual image. Does Chowk have a Cartoonist?

We have no India problem. AS GENERAL musharaff as well as pm as well as president said problems are not external but internal. Indians have not done any thing little abmbigious sabre rattling. So Indians can go to hell it does not matter. We have effective peace with india.
This intrigueing as what senior commentator is writing as wild person. She should direct this towards americans and Talibs of our home country as well as balochi armed group or towards Sunnis in Hangu. Now this appears as ignoring burning fire and worrying about smoke where there is no fire. On an average 30 to 40 people are killed by our own people not even one person is killed by indo pak problems. Well to hell is with good intension and short cut also and soothing of avoiding real problems. Now sure Indians may listen and reject but internal enemies will just slaughter. Now nobody will disagree with writer has good sentiments. But is out of focus and need urgent attention at home where slaughter is going of pakistanis by Americans and talibs.
Wrong/ extreme weightage is given to Indian problems. It is like some body is suffering from heart attack and worrying about cold and running nose. It is intrigueing if some higher authority is directing " political scientist" to divert peoples attention from home grown problems to nonexisting "indian peace problem"?
Good night.