Afghanistan Strategic Choices for USA and Regional Actors

aga sahib,

All of us are not on the same page as you are! You have some inside information, which the rest do not have. AS a result this article does not make sense at all.

Please next time, add some context to it. All the current discussion is context free, and urstruly is drooling his corrosive acid all over the place and he, himself, might get dissolved in it.

The first question I have is: WTF are the yanks really doing in Afghanistan? Is it that they like to have picnics amongst the poppy fields at high altitudes?

#36 Posted by ahmedmadani

If you can turn hostile to USA who pumped in billions of wasteful dollars just to keep you alive all these days, what good gestures can the world expect from you?

For you the only useful slogan is Islamic Pakistan which suddenly turns out to be Secular Pakistan... and the flip flop continues.

Re: # 27 Excellent, cheap slogans and hypocracy.
Here is sixer . "one drop of Palestanian blood is more valable than the treasures of world" King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia on donating $1 billion to rebuild Gaza. The dribble continues.

Helping pakistan - advice from an indian
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8,000 dead: is the world aware?


By Muhammad Ali Siddiqi

THE statistics are numbing and mind-boggling and should make any Pakistani sit up: in 2008 the country saw 2,148 terrorist attacks, which caused 6,825 casualties — 2,267 of them fatal.

Suicide attacks alone killed nearly 1,000 people — 967 to be precise — and wounded or maimed for life over 2,000. Of the 63 suicide attacks countrywide, the highest — 32 — occurred in the NWFP, killing and wounding over 1,000 Pakistanis; 10 in Punjab (201, dead, 580 injured), and 16 in Fata (263 dead, 497 injured).

Compiled by the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies, these statistics do not include those who fell in ‘operational attacks’. According to the think-tanks’ report for 2008, more than 5,500 people were killed or injured in operational attacks (a minimum of 3,182 dead and 2,267 wounded).
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Sidiqui bhai,

No one cares about what is happening in pakistan because educated paki, who occupy chowk, do not care. For them, it is a case of on jihadi killing another jihadi. A state funded jihadic army, the paki army, in conflict with another people funded army. the laskers and others are supported by abdul pakis through their donations in mosques.

A fight between two jihadic armies is a religious ritual. There is no terrorism in pakistan, that is what the pakis and the world at large feel.
Take it from me sadiqui, that is the truth about pakistan. For a whole generation, when as children they have been trained to enjoy the killing o animals in their backyards, where the parent have taken them to see the killing of camels in the cities, a few jihadic killinmgs is only entertainment. Pl go to swat where the plac is ruled by the book, enjoy a few public flogging and a few beheading. Then you think, to find out ..can there be terrorism in a terror central country.

#27 Posted by pavocavalry

"while the middle classes enthusiastically supported Pakistan because they viewed the new state as one with greater opportunities of advancement for their class since the Hindus who were more educationally advanced were eliminated from the competition ! "

Do they realise their folly at least now?

The proud citizens of a FAILED STATE!!

#27 Posted by pavocavalry

For those of you who did not read Pakistani Madrassa History books.

This reminds me of a story "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES" where the King was fobbed into believing that he was being dressed in the invisible dress. The king takes out the procession to display his NEW dress when all the civilians see him stark naked and would not have guts to point it out. Finally, a child cries out "hey, the king is nude!"


Hey, pavocavalry, go home and put on some dress so that you look decent.

Gandhi was a die hard Hindu for he believed in the philosophy of "whole world is one family" If he was of kind of your dirty Jinnah, true nationalist leaders like Abul Kalam Azad and "frontier Gandhi" Khan Abdul Gafaar Khan would not have come into his fold. Your so called Hindu leader Gandhi fell to the Hindu bullets for supporting Muslim population of Pakistan.

SHAME ON YOU.

Re: # 31 Stuka

I think I don't need to repeat the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the friend of my enemy is my enemy". I don't think it will take a genius to devise the game plan: Hindu use Talibans (with arms and money to fight) the bigger enemy the napak fouj - as the napak fouj which constitutes the 100% of the state apparatus in pakistan, a weakend napak fouj will be ready to bargain kashmir - as the gandu musharaf and zardari have tried to do repeatedly. On the other hand the enemy # 2, the Taliban will be countered thru western crusaders. I would say at this time hindu has all his five in the ghee as the proverb goes.

The bigger picture is however different. Just as all the kafirs have pounced upon Muslims as a pack of dingos; the equal and opposite force is causing Muslim resistence to forment. A bigger wheel has been set in motion, obeying another law of nature i.e. the only constant in the world is the change itself.

"Hindus would be idiots par excellence not to take advantage of this situation. It is only common sense. You don't have to be a chanakya to figure that out. "

This is why Pakistanis do not understand Chanakya.

For the Hindu, the Tribal and the Pak Army are equal enemies. Taking advantage simply means not helping either side and staying out. India can and probably is taking advantage of groups who have secular grievances against Pak like BLA, MQM etc. Your own internal contradictions are resolving each other in FATA and SWAT.

"The Muslim League and most other parties of this time were dominated by the professional middle classes or landlords who had merely viewed religion as a slogan to galvanise the masses and never wanted a theological state !"

That is very interesting. from the beginninbg the muslims believed that jinnah was dishonest and all that he wanted was some personal powert and he used religion for that. The vast majority of the ordinary people who moved to pakistan did not realise the duplicity of jinnah, they wanted a true islamic country based on TNT, the hatred for hindus. Over the years, this aspiration of the pakis have come true, and hence the jihadis are the true followers of jinnah, that si who beleived in the words of jinnah, who took jinnah to be a honest man.

Thanks pavo.

Disappointed by police, people taking steps for self-defence
Monday, January 26, 2009
by Javed Aziz Khan

PESHAWAR: Measures for self-protection adopted by the vulnerable population of this troubled city are proving a better option against depending on police and agencies that are supposed to provide security to a common citizen.

Around three million residents of the provincial capital have been under a severe threat by criminal groups operating from within the city and surrounding rural and tribal areas. Kidnapping for ransom, highway robberies, dacoities, car-lifting and car-snatching broke all the previous records during the past few months, forcing the public to go for alternative arrangements instead of relying on police alone.

After the public started to believe the police force is no more able to provide them security against kidnappers and other criminals, they preferred to carry weapons for self-defence. The purpose was to avoid being kidnapped or robbed.

////////a nation born out of hatred for teh other, the kernal of TNT, cannot expect anything other than hatred among its people. The only hope for pakistan is to repudiate TNT and remove the photos from the public offices and consign that man to the same status as hitler.

Asghar warns of another martial law

Monday, January 26, 2009

News Desk

RAWALPINDI: Air Marshal (retd) Asghar Khan has expressed the fear that if the present ‘incompetent rulers’ did not leave the scene, the nation could witness another martial law, as the country is passing through a critical situation.

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Finally the paki military is worried, the lasker trial will lead to exposing the isi of planning the mumbai attack.

Another military take over seem to be the only way out.

Pakistan’s Islamic Factor

A.H Amin

History proves that religion has been repeatedly used by various classes to secure their personal or class aims and objectives ! Religion as a political factor to unite Indians against the British was introduced in politics by Gandhi ! Gandhi represented the Hindu middle and professional classes funded by the business classes who were western educated , outwardly secular in outlook but relied on Hindu religious symbols to achieve their political ends ! When Gandhi sidelined Mr Jinnah from main congress leadership after 1921-22 Mr Jinnah also abandoned his initial ideology of Indian nationalism based on constitutionalism and adopted Islam as his slogan ! In most of his political speeches Mr Jinnah stressed on the fact that the Indian Muslims were a separate nation and their unique religious and social practices entitled them to have a separate country ! This slogan was convenient and politically expedient to unite the pre 1947 Indo Pak Muslims against the Hindu dominated congress ! In 1947 while addressing the constituent assembly of Pakistan Mr Jinnah clarified that his idea of Pakistan was a secular state where Muslims and non Muslims would politically speaking only be Pakistanis and religion would be a private matter !
Mr Jinnah’s line of reasoning was not immediately questioned by the religious right since Jinnah was an indisputed leader but the question whether Pakistan was a secular state or an Islamic state was hotly debated in the constituent assembly of Pakistan from 1948 till 1956 ! The Muslim League and most other parties of this time were dominated by the professional middle classes or landlords who had merely viewed religion as a slogan to galvanise the masses and never wanted a theological state ! The landlords wanted to get rid of a Hindu money lending class and a land reform threatening congress party while the middle classes enthusiastically supported Pakistan because they viewed the new state as one with greater opportunities of advancement for their class since the Hindus who were more educationally advanced were eliminated from the competition !
The religious parties which had initially opposed Pakistan’s creation based on the idea that partition would only divide Indian Muslims now turned the table on the Muslim League by demanding that since the Muslim League itself declared that the Indo Pak Muslims needed a separate country to practice Islam , the new country must be based on the Islamic Sharia ! The non religious feudal and middle class Muslim Leaguers led by Liaquat Ali Khan initially outmanoeuvred the Islamists by moving the Objectives Resolution which paid lip service to Islam while preserving Pakistan’s initially envisaged secular ethos ! The Islamists however were not pacified and the 1953 Anti Qadiani riots proved that the Islamists were a force to be reckoned with ! However massive US aid from 1954 to 1965 marginalised the Islamists and strengthened the secular forces under the military dictator Ayub Khan ! In 1970 the Islamists were again unable to gain much except in NWFP and Baluchistan and the neo-socialist PPP and the nationalistic Awami League swept West and East Pakistan !
Islamists parties were strengthened in between 1971-77 because of the 1971 defeat and because of some of Mr Bhuttos policies ! In 1977 the religious right gained a new benefactor in shape of USA who viewed the Islamist dominated anti Bhutto Pakistan National Alliance as a safer bet than an anti US charismatic leader like Bhutto ! Thus the 1977 agitation and the Zia military coup of 1977 which toppled Mr Bhutto !
Pakistan’s military dictator decided keeping in view the immense political strength of the anti Zia PPP that his best bet to survive was use of Islam as a political slogan ! Thus Zia’s Islamisation measures and the various stunts and ploys employed by the military junta to demonstrate that Zia was a true soldier of Islam !
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan further strengthened Islamist forces not only in Pakistan but at an international level ! Out of the Afghan War of 1979-88 emerged a promiscuous alliance of convenience like a Mutah marriage ! Financed by the CIA and the Saudis , with Islam as slogan , and Jihad as the modus operandi ! The Islamists because of sheer expediency became the darlings of Pakistan’s ISI and USA’s CIA ! Many billions were pumped to support the anti Soviet Jihad ! Islamist forces were able to consolidate themselves with lavish funds,advanced weaponry and elaborate organizational networks !
All changed after the Soviet withdrawal from Afganistan ! The islamists now became a liability for USA and the Pakistani elite ! The dirty war was over ! The Islamists had done their job ! Now they must not be allowed to reap the harvest ! Thus a reversal of policies !
By 1991 however the Pakistani elite realized that USA no longer needed them and as a result Islamist forces once again received a boost ! Both Nawaz and Benazir governments made many efforts to endear themselves to the USA but the USA snubbed both ! Islamist forces as a result re-organised ! In 1994-96 Pakistan’s government once again used religion as a slogan once the Afghan Talibans were cultivated ! For some time the Americans also saw the taliban as a safe bet for oil pipelines ! However by 1998 the Americans realized that the Talibans were not good enough puppets and must be removed ! During all this time Pakistan’s economy rapidly weakened because of US embargoes and economic policies ! The politicians and the military and intelligence bosses once again fell back on Islamist forces which were used to fight the bloody undeclared wars in Kashmir ! The Kargil adventure of 1999 was the highpoint in this drama once regular Pakistan Army volunteers were employed in the name of Islam with diasastorous consequences !
By October 1999 once Musharraf usurped power Pakistan was a sidelined state till the 9/11 incident which proved a heaven sent opportunity for Pakistan’s military junta just like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan had done for Zia the junta !
Pakistan’s military junta now made a U turn and collaborated with the USA in fighting a war against Islamists ! In 1979-89 the same military junta was with the Islamists because it meant US aid ! Now the same military junta viewed the Islamists as persona non gratas simply because it meant getting US aid ! The same state continues till to date !
The chain of historic events above mentioned demand analysis ! From 1937 till 1947 the pre 1947 Muslim elite employed “Islam� as a slogan to galvanise the Muslim masses based on the emotional Pakistan slogan based on Islam ! Once Pakistan was achieved the same elite immediately made a U turn and declared that Pakistan was a secular state without justifying why 1 million Muslims were sacrificed to create a Muslim state where religion would be a personal matter ! Thus HAFEEZ Jullundhri noted with sarcasm ‘ Qaafle lut gaiy barbad ho gayay to kia hooa , Mutmain hain Qaafla Salaar apnay Kaam Say !
Between 1947 and 1976 religion was ditched as US aid came and the middle classes and the higher classes enjoyed great prosperity partly because of international aid and more because of elimination of the rich Hindus by mass genocide and control of evacuee property !
In 1977 religion was employed as a slogan because the middle and higher classes united with the Islamists simply because Mr Bhutto’s policies were a threat for the urban classes in Karachi ,Multan and Lahore because of a variety of reasons including nationalization,quota system,liberal outlook etc ! The USA financed the Islamists against Bhutto because they thought that the Islamists were asafer bet than Bhutto !
Between 1977 and 1989 Pakistan’s military junta used Islam as a tool because it suited their political and economic ends i.e because of the PPP as a political threat and the US military and economic aid in Afghan War !
Between 1989 and 1999 the Islamists once again received a boost because US stopped their aid and the civil and military elite once again picked up the slogan of Islam in danger !
Between 2001 and to date Pakistan’s military junta once again made a U turn and adopted an anti Islamist policy simply because it meant US economic and military aid !
The elections of 2002 strengthened Islamists forces thanks to the U turn of Pakistan’s military government after 9/11 ! The resultant sense of betrayal strengthened the Islamists morally ! The Islamists for the first time emerged as a strong constitutional force which challenged Pakistan’s military junta in Pakistan’s parliament ! Thus the MMA stand on LFO and against Musharraf’s US appeasing policies !
There is no doubt that a storm is gathering in Pakistan Iran Afghanistan and the Arab world which this time will not subside ! This storm is gathering because the Muslim elite has repeatedly used Islam as a convenient slogan , picked up at will to get aid from USA and abandoned at whim once it meant not getting US Dollars !
The Islamists are on a strong footing today ! This the start of a drama that would carry on in many acts ! Since religion was used as a cheap slogan by the elite , now it appears that the elite would have a harder time in manipulating the common man !
Inflation , rising population , unemployment is strengthening the Islamists forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan by leaps and bounds ! The US invasion of Iraq ahs further strengthened the Islamist forces since it has proved to be a spur for forces of resistance led by Islamists!
One Million dead in 1947 to create a country of Muslims !Two million dead in Afghanistan from 1978 till 2003 ! 100,000 dead in Kashmir from 1989 till to date ! 500 dead in Kargil ! The many thousands dead in Palestine,Algeria,Egypt , Iraq , all in the name of Islam ! To make the Islamic world a safer place for miltary dictators who order military volunteers in the name of Islam but pose as liberals to get US aid ! Kings and princes who gamble in Monaco and womanise in Paris but stage behaedings of small time drug dealers to give cheap thrills to the common man !
The day when the Muslim common man would question military dictators or kings about what they did to the aid money they got or the oil money they wasted in gambling or enjoying is not very far away ! Inshallah I hope !
In the next ten years a long bloody war would be fought between the Islamists and the opportunist forces in Muslim world which have agaian and again used Islam as a cheap tool to drug the masses ! Now the Muslim common man cannot be fooled or amused by cheap slogans or beheadings of petty criminals ! Now they want the heads of their rulers who have used Islam in the most Machiavellian manner for achieving their cheap personal and dynastic ends ! This the decade of the decisive war between Islamists and anti Islamists ! This war will not be won by superior weaponry or cheap slogans ! This war will be fought in the shadows , covertly and more motivated forces would finally carry the day ! Many Roman Empires and many great dynasties would be destroyed in the process ! When the common man fearlessly snipes at the US soldiers in Baghdad or when the common man defies Rangers and so many other military entities and goes on with suicide bombings , wars can no longer be won by conventional forces with better weapons bu t weaker hearts ! The human heart is the most decisive weapon and the USA alienated it after 9/11 !




Agha Amin

to be specific the USA was kicked out from Karshi Khanabad Airbase at Uzbekistan.
Agha Amin

The so called pan islamic brotherhood is just one big humbug to deceive their own wretched populations. What better example than the inablilty of the Pakistanis to keep the Muslims of the Eastern wing in their fold.

i am not interested in the nonsensical interacts , typical of chowk.

however mr urstruly u need to brush up ur knowledge:---

its not kozakistan,its a name that u invented,US does not have bases in kozakistan but in Kirgizistan , and at Manas Air Base near Bishkek (old Frunze).

the massacre of 6000 that u talk about was in uzbekistan and not kozakistan.

Kazakhastan has remained the most peaceful as it has the highest number of Russians.
Agha Amin

Re: # 22

Please replace Kozkistan with Uzbekistan. The said massacre is called Massacre of Andijan and year was 2005.

Kozakistan has its own story.