Obama Inauguration Brings Hope, Scepticism

Dost_Mittar, nowhere in any of his campaign speeches did Obama ever say that the US should flinch if it needs to go "Bombs Away!" in Pakistan.

#88 Posted by dost_mittar on January 23, 2009 5:33:57 pm

30K troops are being deployed to afghanistan...they're surely planning a major operation...i've spoken to servicemen who've been to afghanistan and they're almost unanimous in the opinion that the US needs to and will take action against major targets in pakiland...

this is obama's war..the one he said we need to focus on..

The Pakistanis are always SO modest when it comes to acknowledging their own not-so-small role in stirring up trouble in Kashmir. Perhaps they are afraid that if they speak out, they (or someone near them) will end up like Ms. Zarina Marri!

arjun:

My view is that Obama will continue the bombing in the areas where it was already taking place but will not extend it. So far, at least, he seems to be continuing the old Bush policy in this respect.

Romair:

In the earlier phase of the militancy in Kashmir, most of the killings of civilians, including those of the judges and administration, were by the jihadis; during the nineties, there were many killings between renegade militants and others. Most of the Indian killings were of insurgents and not of civilians. There have undoubtedly been violation of human rights but not to the extent that Kashmiri separatists claim who obviously have an interest in exaggerating these violations and human rights organizations who base their estimates on these complaints.

You keep referring to Indian forces as occupation forces. No Indian thinks of them as occupation forces; they do think of Kashmir as their territory, which it legally is: they are no more occupation forces in Kashmir than they are in Assam and Nagaland. Bluntly speaking, most Indians' feelings about Kashmir are accurately represented by arjun here; namely that Kashmir belongs to India and Kashmiris who do not want to be Indians can go to Pakistan.

Once again, I reiterate that while there have been human rights abuses in Kashmir, there is no state terrorism; it is the separatists who issued threats to people not to participate in the elections, not the Indians. I would call it state terrorism if Indians start firing indiscriminately into the crowds or start bombing like Bhutto did in Balochistan or the US is doing in FATA, and I hope that this never happens.

As for non-violent struggle and Indian independence, it was a result of many factors, Gandhi's non-violent agitation being one of them; if nothing else, it made the British realise that the masses are against their continued rule. And for the first forty years in Kashmir, there was no struggle for secession in Kashmir, violent or non-violent. The struggle, if any, was against the rigged elections.

Shankar miaN, somewhere down the line, you seem to have lost track. I am sure, if you were alive at the time of the Civil war, you would have been castigating the North for using their might to whip those Southern asses.

People like you often get called "bleeding heart liberals". I personally think the term "bleeding ass liberal" would be more accurate!

#84 Posted by shankar on January 23, 2009 5:07:15 pm

Dick holbrook is tne ambassador to afghanistan-pakistan..countries in the same league...

Now all we have to do is convince Richard Holbrook that when it comes to Kashmir, "might is right". I think Misolovic tried that in Serbia, with Holbrook...it didnt wash..

#81

So you're saying "might is right"...hey! I'm all for that!

What these Pakis forget is for 800 yrs , the muslims ruled & imposed themselves on a majority.... how conveniently they forget! I'm sure if Romair was alive at the time of Aurangzeb, he would be actively siding with hindus.

Re: # 43 Romair

We'll talk about Kashmir after you come out strongly against the Pakistani Army leveling entire towns as part of its collective punishment drive in FATA. Until then, my friend, your words are just hot air!

Re: # 80

Why is it "insecure" to whip ass?! People have been doing it for ages. If you do not know, just look back at your own very rear!

Millibund was asking for it -- so he got it! Kissa khatam!

Why are we Indians getting our dhotis in a knot about what Milliband says? Why does India absolutely not want any third party mediation in Kashmir?.. Jeez! the mere mention of it is angrily rebuffed as an "internal affair".

Evidently; we are very insecure if a third party sits in on the negotiations. Why? Whats wrong with America or the West strongly urging India & Pakistan negotiating on Kashmir?

Beena, how come you did not interview any janitors for this article?! It would have been only fair.

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tahmed,

... the content, maturity, and delivery of your posts is all very inspiring. You go man - tell 'em hindus like it is. Bravo, bravo ...

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