A Proven Approach to Make Pakistan's Defence Impregnable
David Leffler January 30, 2009
#116 Posted by tahir on February 6, 2009 1:16:04 am
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Abb ghar jao, tumhaiN mata-jee bula rahi haiN!
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#115 Posted by nkg on February 6, 2009 1:07:03 am
Re: # 114
JayP...
"The number of beggers in pakiland are increasing because of increasing poverty, escape from swat and the system of polygamy which ensures that every child bearing age women are impregnated by men as old as possible. This is the central reason for such population growth in muslim countries.
there is no real hope for pakistan for economic growth...."
Can you please highlight the plight of Kerala girls?
Even if they want to marry less qualified mallu boy, their parents have to pay hefty sum of money to the groom's parents....
JayP...
"The number of beggers in pakiland are increasing because of increasing poverty, escape from swat and the system of polygamy which ensures that every child bearing age women are impregnated by men as old as possible. This is the central reason for such population growth in muslim countries.
there is no real hope for pakistan for economic growth...."
Can you please highlight the plight of Kerala girls?
Even if they want to marry less qualified mallu boy, their parents have to pay hefty sum of money to the groom's parents....
#114 Posted by jayp on February 5, 2009 11:58:17 pm
Re: # 113
Dost
The point is that has there been a decline. The most beggers I have seen is in sanfransisco.
Australia has very few, the numbers must be comparable to kerala.
The number of beggers in pakiland are increasing because of increasing poverty, escape from swat and the system of polygamy which ensures that every child bearing age women are impregnated by men as old as possible. This is the central reason for such population growth in muslim countries.
there is no real hope for pakistan for economic growth.
Dost
The point is that has there been a decline. The most beggers I have seen is in sanfransisco.
Australia has very few, the numbers must be comparable to kerala.
The number of beggers in pakiland are increasing because of increasing poverty, escape from swat and the system of polygamy which ensures that every child bearing age women are impregnated by men as old as possible. This is the central reason for such population growth in muslim countries.
there is no real hope for pakistan for economic growth.
#113 Posted by dost_mittar on February 4, 2009 3:50:06 pm
jayp:100
Beggars are less common in Kerala but not absent. Next time you are in Kerala, go to the Marine Drive on Kochi. I was there last Friday.
Beggars are less common in Kerala but not absent. Next time you are in Kerala, go to the Marine Drive on Kochi. I was there last Friday.
#112 Posted by jayp on February 4, 2009 1:01:33 am
taliban kidnap 30 Pakistani police
4 Feb 2009, 1120 hrs IST, AFP
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ISLAMABAD: Taliban fighters kidnapped 30 Pakistani policemen after a day-long siege and fierce battles in the northwest Swat valley, regional
police commander Dilawar Khan said Wednesday.
Thousands of Taliban laid siege to the police station in the area of Shamozai on Tuesday. The army was mobilised to rescue the police and break the circle of Taliban rebels surrounding the building, security officials said.
"Taliban kidnapped 30 policemen and blew up the police office after a day-long fight," Khan said.
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The paki army is enforcing teh writ of teh state in swat, most of civilians have left, and the paki army is fighting a war there.
And see the funny side, the army could not protect the armed police, 30 of them have been kidnapped by the jihadis.
Surrender and corruption are the strengths of the paki army.
4 Feb 2009, 1120 hrs IST, AFP
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ISLAMABAD: Taliban fighters kidnapped 30 Pakistani policemen after a day-long siege and fierce battles in the northwest Swat valley, regional
police commander Dilawar Khan said Wednesday.
Thousands of Taliban laid siege to the police station in the area of Shamozai on Tuesday. The army was mobilised to rescue the police and break the circle of Taliban rebels surrounding the building, security officials said.
"Taliban kidnapped 30 policemen and blew up the police office after a day-long fight," Khan said.
///////////////
The paki army is enforcing teh writ of teh state in swat, most of civilians have left, and the paki army is fighting a war there.
And see the funny side, the army could not protect the armed police, 30 of them have been kidnapped by the jihadis.
Surrender and corruption are the strengths of the paki army.
#111 Posted by ajeya on February 3, 2009 7:25:04 pm
As I have been saying all along...
(The writer, by the way, is a retired ambassador of India, which means he actually has some relevant experience, as opposed to resident foreign-policy experts at chowk.)
From Dailypioneer.com:
Kashmir isn’t Bosnia
Rajiv Dogra
But Barack Hussein Obama’s Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, may be tempted to expand his role and bully India into toeing a dangerous line to serve American interests in the region. This could happen soon if Obama fails to deliver on the home front
Barack Hussein Obama can uniquely claim to be of many worlds. He has the politically correct African lineage, an Islamic middle name and he is a practising Christian. He has lived in Indonesia and travelled to countries as diverse as Pakistan. And he is not afraid of admitting that he has done drugs. This candour is endearing and disarming in equal measure.
It has served him well up to now. Rather too well actually. Otherwise who could imagine just two years back that a junior first time Senator of dark hue would soon challenge and vanquish a formidable rival like Ms Hillary Clinton? No one gave him a serious chance then. But Mr Obama decided to punch far above his weight. The rest is history.
Up to now it has been a dream run for him. It must be said to his credit that he has worked hard and fought against all odds. But the challenges so far have been in the nature of campaign debates, words that could be spun to weave dreams for people. And Mr Obama can craft words that mesmerise, enthuse, and leave a warm glow. But throughout the campaign his love for abstract concepts also came through. He did the same during his acceptance speech, turning ‘yes we can’ into a rap raga. It sounded nice but left the action undefined. Now it is time for action.
Mr Obama is definitely a driven man. His actions as President will be calibrated with one eye to their effect on his legacy. He wants to manage expectations in such a way that midway through his term people should say that he did well by them. Therefore, his twin objectives will be to play the ‘pace-maker’ domestically and ‘peace-maker’ abroad.
In his first role he would like to restore public confidence in the economy. Some priorities there are to invest in infrastructure projects and to set up the post-carbon energy platform. Perhaps his advisers have everything tied down to the last detail; after all so far he has choreographed every major action of his carefully.
But his financial package is already drawing criticism from Republicans and skeptical comment by the realists. His ambitious hope of providing employment through this package for four to five million people may remain a noble intent. How can he provide quick employment when the record shows that bureaucracy takes an average of two years to clear a project?
He may be a remarkable man, but he is also made of flesh and blood like other human beings. He cannot walk on water. When people discover that uncomfortable truth through his stumbles and failures on the economy, there may be irrational extremes of disappointment. The fact is that he is inexperienced. It is also a sad record of history that very few individuals can make a difference.
When the domestic difficulties become too intractable, foreign relations offer a convenient zone of limelight. The ‘pace-maker’ may then aspire to be the ‘peace-maker.’ That this is not far from his mind is obvious from the appointments he announced during his visit to the State Department. And therein lie the seeds of our concern. Mr Obama made two appointments: Mr George Mitchell as Special Envoy for West Asia and Mr Richard Holbrooke as Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
In style the two are as different as cheese from chalk. Mr Mitchell is a politician and a former Senate majority leader. He brings a patient touch to negotiations and encourages consensus. This was evident when he skillfully promoted the Northern Ireland peace process as an honest broker.
Mr Holbrooke is a career diplomat who attained superstar status after shepherding the Dayton peace talks that ended the Bosnian war in mid-1990s. But he is not a popular man in Serbia or for that matter in most of the orthodox Christian Balkans. He himself doesn’t like to be reminded of his unsuccessful efforts earlier in Saigon.
Mr Holbrooke, unlike Mr Mitchell, is not soft-spoken. Hard charging is a term often used to describe him politely. Abrasive is a tighter fit, and the candid employ this term for him. His negotiating technique is to sight the opportunity and bulldoze his way through. This intensity ends up alienating people.
Like all driven men, Mr Holbrooke is fond of missions impossible. And like his new boss, he is conscious that he has been given a chance by destiny to carve his place in history. Therefore, he would want to succeed in this mission. And he knows he has a limited time to accomplish this because already the war in Afghanistan has lasted long and America’s allies may not be able to sustain their present force levels.
But to succeed in Afghanistan he will have to succeed with Pakistan first. There, he may meet more than his match. Pakistanis are masters at combining savage cruelty with injured innocence. They will pretend to take action against the LeT and others of that ilk, but it will be largely pretence. Meanwhile, the Pakistanis will sing their theme song for Mr Holbrooke’s benefit that if the ‘Kashmir issue’ is resolved, all the problems in the region would magically dissolve.
Mr Holbrooke was not assigned to West Asia because both the Palestinians and the Israelis would have met his ferocious style with equal ferocity. Here, in our region, only the Pakistanis will use guile, persuasion and duplicity to achieve their goals. India wouldn’t want to displease.
So while we flounder for the least offensive phrase, Mr Holbrooke may already have readied himself to bulldoze us in the direction that he has decided upon. He realises, as Pakistan does, that the formality of his designation which describes him as the ‘Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan’ is just a formality. Pakistan will encourage him to take on a wider regional role.
Men like Mr Obama and Mr Holbrooke are driven by a sense of their own destiny. They do not have the patience to listen politely to involved logic that we adduce. Therefore, if Bosnia is a precedent to go by, then soon we may have an interfering busybody on the ‘Kashmir issue’.
-- The writer, a senior diplomat, is a former Ambassador of India.
(The writer, by the way, is a retired ambassador of India, which means he actually has some relevant experience, as opposed to resident foreign-policy experts at chowk.)
From Dailypioneer.com:
Kashmir isn’t Bosnia
Rajiv Dogra
But Barack Hussein Obama’s Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, may be tempted to expand his role and bully India into toeing a dangerous line to serve American interests in the region. This could happen soon if Obama fails to deliver on the home front
Barack Hussein Obama can uniquely claim to be of many worlds. He has the politically correct African lineage, an Islamic middle name and he is a practising Christian. He has lived in Indonesia and travelled to countries as diverse as Pakistan. And he is not afraid of admitting that he has done drugs. This candour is endearing and disarming in equal measure.
It has served him well up to now. Rather too well actually. Otherwise who could imagine just two years back that a junior first time Senator of dark hue would soon challenge and vanquish a formidable rival like Ms Hillary Clinton? No one gave him a serious chance then. But Mr Obama decided to punch far above his weight. The rest is history.
Up to now it has been a dream run for him. It must be said to his credit that he has worked hard and fought against all odds. But the challenges so far have been in the nature of campaign debates, words that could be spun to weave dreams for people. And Mr Obama can craft words that mesmerise, enthuse, and leave a warm glow. But throughout the campaign his love for abstract concepts also came through. He did the same during his acceptance speech, turning ‘yes we can’ into a rap raga. It sounded nice but left the action undefined. Now it is time for action.
Mr Obama is definitely a driven man. His actions as President will be calibrated with one eye to their effect on his legacy. He wants to manage expectations in such a way that midway through his term people should say that he did well by them. Therefore, his twin objectives will be to play the ‘pace-maker’ domestically and ‘peace-maker’ abroad.
In his first role he would like to restore public confidence in the economy. Some priorities there are to invest in infrastructure projects and to set up the post-carbon energy platform. Perhaps his advisers have everything tied down to the last detail; after all so far he has choreographed every major action of his carefully.
But his financial package is already drawing criticism from Republicans and skeptical comment by the realists. His ambitious hope of providing employment through this package for four to five million people may remain a noble intent. How can he provide quick employment when the record shows that bureaucracy takes an average of two years to clear a project?
He may be a remarkable man, but he is also made of flesh and blood like other human beings. He cannot walk on water. When people discover that uncomfortable truth through his stumbles and failures on the economy, there may be irrational extremes of disappointment. The fact is that he is inexperienced. It is also a sad record of history that very few individuals can make a difference.
When the domestic difficulties become too intractable, foreign relations offer a convenient zone of limelight. The ‘pace-maker’ may then aspire to be the ‘peace-maker.’ That this is not far from his mind is obvious from the appointments he announced during his visit to the State Department. And therein lie the seeds of our concern. Mr Obama made two appointments: Mr George Mitchell as Special Envoy for West Asia and Mr Richard Holbrooke as Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
In style the two are as different as cheese from chalk. Mr Mitchell is a politician and a former Senate majority leader. He brings a patient touch to negotiations and encourages consensus. This was evident when he skillfully promoted the Northern Ireland peace process as an honest broker.
Mr Holbrooke is a career diplomat who attained superstar status after shepherding the Dayton peace talks that ended the Bosnian war in mid-1990s. But he is not a popular man in Serbia or for that matter in most of the orthodox Christian Balkans. He himself doesn’t like to be reminded of his unsuccessful efforts earlier in Saigon.
Mr Holbrooke, unlike Mr Mitchell, is not soft-spoken. Hard charging is a term often used to describe him politely. Abrasive is a tighter fit, and the candid employ this term for him. His negotiating technique is to sight the opportunity and bulldoze his way through. This intensity ends up alienating people.
Like all driven men, Mr Holbrooke is fond of missions impossible. And like his new boss, he is conscious that he has been given a chance by destiny to carve his place in history. Therefore, he would want to succeed in this mission. And he knows he has a limited time to accomplish this because already the war in Afghanistan has lasted long and America’s allies may not be able to sustain their present force levels.
But to succeed in Afghanistan he will have to succeed with Pakistan first. There, he may meet more than his match. Pakistanis are masters at combining savage cruelty with injured innocence. They will pretend to take action against the LeT and others of that ilk, but it will be largely pretence. Meanwhile, the Pakistanis will sing their theme song for Mr Holbrooke’s benefit that if the ‘Kashmir issue’ is resolved, all the problems in the region would magically dissolve.
Mr Holbrooke was not assigned to West Asia because both the Palestinians and the Israelis would have met his ferocious style with equal ferocity. Here, in our region, only the Pakistanis will use guile, persuasion and duplicity to achieve their goals. India wouldn’t want to displease.
So while we flounder for the least offensive phrase, Mr Holbrooke may already have readied himself to bulldoze us in the direction that he has decided upon. He realises, as Pakistan does, that the formality of his designation which describes him as the ‘Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan’ is just a formality. Pakistan will encourage him to take on a wider regional role.
Men like Mr Obama and Mr Holbrooke are driven by a sense of their own destiny. They do not have the patience to listen politely to involved logic that we adduce. Therefore, if Bosnia is a precedent to go by, then soon we may have an interfering busybody on the ‘Kashmir issue’.
-- The writer, a senior diplomat, is a former Ambassador of India.
#110 Posted by tahmed32 on February 3, 2009 6:36:22 am
#107 Mr. Masadi has better things to do than waste time on chowk!
#109 Posted by nemesis3 on February 3, 2009 5:22:40 am
#80 Posted by ajeya
Very thought-provoking. I hope the wisdom will dawn on the fellow pakistanis and they would take measures to desist the way of violence and try to lead a civilized life. Their main worry seems to be that India is out to gobble them up. They should have been able to guess why India would do that and if it does, at what cost. India would rather buy a new machine than investing in this dilapidated one. I think a moderate and right thinking leader is what Pakistan needs today. Someone like Ata-turk. But what will you do with their Allah's army? You can change hearts of civilians. But for a Paki soldier who agrees that 2+2=4 because major sahib says so, the task seems impossible
Very thought-provoking. I hope the wisdom will dawn on the fellow pakistanis and they would take measures to desist the way of violence and try to lead a civilized life. Their main worry seems to be that India is out to gobble them up. They should have been able to guess why India would do that and if it does, at what cost. India would rather buy a new machine than investing in this dilapidated one. I think a moderate and right thinking leader is what Pakistan needs today. Someone like Ata-turk. But what will you do with their Allah's army? You can change hearts of civilians. But for a Paki soldier who agrees that 2+2=4 because major sahib says so, the task seems impossible
#108 Posted by CreateAlpha on February 3, 2009 5:17:32 am
I think it might be time to physically move the pakistanis from pakistan to palestine or saudi arabia...these nogoodnik people have made a mess of their country and need to be quarantined with the rest of their knuckleheaded brothers.....once they are moved....then it time to erect a mile high fence around these people so that they don't get out and kill and maim the civilized folks around them. Let them breed incessantly until a new subspecies of humans is a reality..then go in take a sampling and put them in zoos around the world.....this will prove darwin right once and for all and we may even retrofit the "missing link"...
#107 Posted by hamidm2 on February 3, 2009 4:50:18 am
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#106 Posted by tahmed32 on February 3, 2009 3:46:50 am
mr. majumdar #77 Mr. Masadi's IP address has been blocked?? That sounds is indeed a grave situation!!
#105 Posted by tahmed32 on February 3, 2009 3:11:34 am
#87 hamidm: Are you then propounding the Two Species Theory??
#104 Posted by nkg on February 3, 2009 1:00:08 am
Jay P
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/84330/up-policemen-beat-up-sixyearold-girl--join -debate.html
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/84330/up-policemen-beat-up-sixyearold-girl--join -debate.html
#103 Posted by nkg on February 3, 2009 12:02:15 am
Re: # 94
DM...
may be achievable....
Extreame Muhammed effect to Maharshi effect....
DM...
may be achievable....
Extreame Muhammed effect to Maharshi effect....
#102 Posted by nkg on February 2, 2009 11:48:41 pm
JayP...
If some part of India can resemble Pakistan, it should be cow belt. That area, like Pakiland, was under prolonged musla rule and human civility is almost destroyed...
I had a telegu friend, who used to tell...
"We will give Kashmir to Pakistan, but they have to take UP and Bihar along with it..."
Post British arrival (1850 onwards), some thorough cleansing was absolute necessity for cow belt...but then, after Iswar Chandra Bandopadhyaya (who formulated education policy of modern India and tried to remove midieval barbarity from Bengal Society) etc...there was nobody to take it up and cow belt politicians, starting with Nehru was more interested in snatching power from Brits than anything else....
Don't expect Bangalore like situation in every cities....
In fact, after arriving in Bangalore ( 2000 end), I was surprised to know that a big city of India can be a decent place to live too....
If some part of India can resemble Pakistan, it should be cow belt. That area, like Pakiland, was under prolonged musla rule and human civility is almost destroyed...
I had a telegu friend, who used to tell...
"We will give Kashmir to Pakistan, but they have to take UP and Bihar along with it..."
Post British arrival (1850 onwards), some thorough cleansing was absolute necessity for cow belt...but then, after Iswar Chandra Bandopadhyaya (who formulated education policy of modern India and tried to remove midieval barbarity from Bengal Society) etc...there was nobody to take it up and cow belt politicians, starting with Nehru was more interested in snatching power from Brits than anything else....
Don't expect Bangalore like situation in every cities....
In fact, after arriving in Bangalore ( 2000 end), I was surprised to know that a big city of India can be a decent place to live too....
#101 Posted by jayp on February 2, 2009 11:43:47 pm
Spain arrests 10 Pakistanis in terror swoop
Tuesday, 03 Feb, 2009 | 12:23 PM PST |
Hooded Civil Guards take an arrested man into a car after a police operation in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, near Barcelona, Jan 20, 2009. — AP
Hooded Civil Guards take an arrested man into a car after a police operation in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, near Barcelona, Jan 20, 2009. — AP
MADRID: Police in Barcelona early Tuesday arrested at least 10 Pakistani nationals in connection with 'falsifying identity documents in connection with Islamist terrorism,' Spanish radio reported.
////////from dawn of today///////////
the TNt srain of islam continue to spread
Tuesday, 03 Feb, 2009 | 12:23 PM PST |
Hooded Civil Guards take an arrested man into a car after a police operation in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, near Barcelona, Jan 20, 2009. — AP
Hooded Civil Guards take an arrested man into a car after a police operation in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, near Barcelona, Jan 20, 2009. — AP
MADRID: Police in Barcelona early Tuesday arrested at least 10 Pakistani nationals in connection with 'falsifying identity documents in connection with Islamist terrorism,' Spanish radio reported.
////////from dawn of today///////////
the TNt srain of islam continue to spread
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