The Nightmare Must End

hamidm #250: dont rant, please. you are not making any sense.

rf786: how is the US providing cover to the militants?

Re: # 245 Posted by hamidm2 on February 15, 2009 6:24:58 am

Hamid mian,

[.. do you know of a good publisher other than lulu.com?] Are you nuts? Do you think any good publisher would have the guts to publish what you want to publish? Can you not find any publishing company in those cave? After all they have mastered the internet with their fear mongering videos, could you not entice them to create a new interpretation of your work?

Re: # 253

Dear Pakistani Diaspora Brother

Either the Americans are incompetent and technologically third world status they cannot trace and remove these turbanators or they are in cahoots with Pakistani generals. As an American tax payer, it is your right to demand an explanation.

Re: # 250

tahmed,

.....you are not a moslem! ....... my mother always considered ahemedis to be moslem ...... you are a damn wahabi, or a koranist at best !

Re: # 251

bismillah mian,

........ this is the first time i have heard of us "providing military cover to the militants" ......... please explain and i will take it up with my senator ..... with the slimy democrats in charge of the house anything is possible!! ..... oh, how i wish i had not voted for hussein! ......... i plead temporary insanity

Re: # 250

Hey guys! Tahmed32, Hamidm2

You guys are still screwed. Is there a book somewhere that documents the differences between 'Ramadhan-Islam' and 'Ramzam-Islam'? If there is one, is there a consensus in Pakistan on which one to follow? What about the other miserable folk who are not Muslims anyway? Unless you sort this out, you guys are still verily f....!


(Tahmed) "once we get rid of islam in pakistan, will Pakistan become the Land of Dancing Nymphs and Flute Playing Adonis's like neighboring India?"

Hey Tahmed, if the past 60 years is any guide, India has done quite well indeed! Get a clue.

Re: # 248

hamidm2 brother


I understand the heavy burden US taxpayers carry especially after this financial bailout, but this makes it ever more so important for the US citizens to demand transparency and concrete results.

When the Americans were sending PL 480 they were at the same time supporting JI by paying for their books, now they are sending drones and at the same time providing military cover to the militants, what gives?

#249 hamidm: you could have fooled me. OK, so we keep islam then - the one practiced by your (and mine) sainted mother and father, not to mention our neighbor - who grumbled to my father during ramzan that "khuda kay fazal say ghar maiN fridge bhara paraa hai, or biwi bachay phir bhi bhookay phir rahay haiN".

note use of the word "ramzan" - that is the islam i am talking about. not the "ramadhan" version which is nothing more than arab-worshipping paindoos in pakistan apeing arab illiterates down to their speech impediments. So i hope you will stop acting as of this "ramadan islam" (aka maudoodism, mullahism, arab-bootlickingism, talibanism, ghoondaism, whatever) is the real islam and guys like me (who prefer to follow our pakistan traditions) dont matter.

Re: # 247

tahmed mian,

......... we don't have to 'get rid of islam', we have to get rid of the prophet's (pbuhahc) bedouin islam and return to the benign and fun loving desi islam that was practiced by my mother (god bless her soul) ........ we have to get rid of wahabis like you and embrace more progressive sects like the beralvis, ismailis and ahmedis .......

........ being a moslem i would neve want to get rid of islam ......... astagfirullah!

bismillah mian,

....... for the last two decades, every april 15th, i have been paying the us government to finance drones, daisy cutters and other pesticides to get rid of this vermin ....... unlike some of obama's nominees i have payed my full dues, but it seems most of the money has been going to provide cheese to welfare mamas and folks like masadi and urstruly .....

....... i would be more than happy to support the militia being set up by altaph bhai to fight the taleban in karachi if they can get a tax number in the us ...... these people must be hunted down and exterminated with extreme prejudice ...... i still don't understand why the drones haven't hit muridke, mansoora, akora khattak, and faisal masjid ?

hamidm: Based on your recommendations, once we get rid of islam in pakistan, will Pakistan become the Land of Dancing Nymphs and Flute Playing Adonis's like neighboring India? Given your insightful in-debt..I mean in-depth...analysis of the current situation, I look forward to your bullshit...i mean bulls eye...prognostication of the situation resulting from implementation of your recommendation.

Re: # 245

Hamidm2 Brother

Instead of financing just another interpretation why not finance something which will make a difference such as lethal drones or helicopter gunships.....this way we will eradicate this growing virus and send their followers to their destination of choice.. we must avoid using the same language, let them taste their own medicine.

philospher mian,

..... i started writing my interpretation of the koran some time back on chowk, but after getting past the nonsense of alif laam meem i quickly discovered that it was simply incoherent babble ...... for fourteen hundred years rascals masquerading as religious 'scholars' have preyed on the fears and superstitions of unwashed bedouins and other cave dwellers to gain political power by ascribing all sorts of magical powers this book which was 'written' by a cave dweller with the help of a winged creature and edited by a goat ........

...... the unwashed and ignorant taleban in swat and fata are mere foot soldiers in this war against civilzation being waged by the denizens of mansoora, akora khattak, lal masjid, faisal mosque, deoband and riyadh ...... since these people are using their self-serving interpretation of god's masterpiece to commit mayhem and murder they must be stopped ....... i must continue with my interpretation of the koran to reveal the absurdity of the enterprise financed by khadija .... do you know of a good publisher other than lulu.com?

Re: # 243

in addition to that...what methodology do u ya see fit to interpret islam.You have to prove its philosophical grounds and its absolute validity to deconstruct any text?

what is apologetic approach that you claim "mederate"(apologists) to have? How would you that that certain conclusion are apologetic and are based on technically irrelevent and invalid methodology?

What is the most reliable "unapologetic" methodology and what grounds will it be based on?


what is your definition of validity?or what it is it that makes a certain assertion valid?

2)what do you want religion to be?i.e. what is it that religion MUST do?

3)is there any condition that religion MUST fulfill?if yas,what and why?

4)Is there any methodology that you think to be absolutly valid and can and MUST be a criterion to judge and analyze other doctrines?

5)if there is one..what is the criterion to judge its own validity?


6)what is rationalism?or what do u think rationalism is?



Now sit on your bum and fart over it untill you figure it out.

Re: # 242

(((It is not uncommon to see such efforts which appear like an effort to brush everything under carpet)))

can't you dumb bum see that i was talking abt methodology of interpretation not the content.When we talk abt methodology it can reach to any implication and conclusions.The important thing is the technical grounds of a certain methodology.are you aware of the technicalities of these issues?I didn't even positively assert the validity of the subject deconstruted by that methodology.

(((What, in your opinion, should be the correct translation of the verses quoted in #123 Posted by ajeya?))))


No i am not gonna explain it for a simple reason because when we talk abt the coherence in the structure of the Quran, we have to distinguish b/w relation and organic unity. A relation, howsoever strange and over stretch, can be established between any two objects of the scheme. But organic unity implies the harmonious interrelationship between the elements of a body or entity which produces a unified whole, a whole which is above the sum total or the components of and has worth and latent meaning in itself. The verses and surahs of the Qurann are not simply linked with one another, they have their place in the total scheme of the Qurann and are connected not only to one another but also to that entire framework. The Quran is an organism, of which its verses and surahs are organically coherent parts.so it would be an excercise in futility to take one sura or the verse of the Quran out and debate over it.


Are u aware of even the various forms of logic and their place in the realm of Epistemology and formalization?

do u know anything abt the contemporary hermenutics and liguistic and structral studies to interpret the text?


(((( would eagerly await your clarification)))

why would i bother to clarify to you. After all Brian lara has yet to clarify to my abt his high back lift technique.









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