The Nightmare Must End

#240 Posted by philosopher

"Their version of islam is the inevitable result of the derivative thinking based on the formal logic.the propositional logic and the laws of thought borrowed by the greek logician converted the whole structure of Quranic existential and phenomenological language into propositional statments which led the prevailing version of political islam which are resposible for many problems in the muslim world."

It is not uncommon to see such efforts which appear like an effort to brush everything under carpet. What, in your opinion, should be the correct translation of the verses quoted in #123 Posted by ajeya?

We, in India, hear such efforts by eminent moderate muslims who try to interprete the word Kafir as an atheist, non-believer whereas the term should actually mean the non-believer of Allah and his prophet.

I would eagerly await your clarification.

Regards.

#237 _ar_jun42

[Sunday, February 15, 2009
NEW YORK: Stating that Pakistan had been in denial about the Taliban in the past, President Asif Ali Zardari has said his government was determined to put an end to the growing threat of the militants.]

Yup. It's harvest time! Mushu-baba and his cronies in the ISI have decided over a glass of Jack Daniels that it's time to harvest some $$. Obama is holding up 2 billion dollars in loan (when did they start calling begging as recieving a loan?) unless CNN can broadcast some "results" and "progress" for the intelligent American viewing public.

: )

The Menace of Turbanization(aka talibanization)


Talibanization is a real threat to the socail fabric of pakistan.people who deny this threat are living in fool's paradise.

Taliban's political struggle against the American led-coalition is definitely justified but it by no means validate thier ridiculously superficial and distorted interpretation of Islam. Such movements derive their justification from real or percieved decadence and/or failure of the existing social order.Taliban movement is no exception to this rule.

indeed its phenomenal rise to power can be understood only in the backdrop of Afghan soviet war of the 80s and subsequent internecine fight between various mujahideen factions.

Their version of islam is the inevitable result of the derivative thinking based on the formal logic.the propositional logic and the laws of thought borrowed by the greek logician converted the whole structure of Quranic existential and phenomenological language into propositional statments which led the prevailing version of political islam which are resposible for many problems in the muslim world.

Talibans betrays even the islamic jurisprudence that they claim to follow.They pick and choose their brand of Islam from the same juriprudence suited to their tribal values which have nothing to do with EVEN THE MOST literal interpretation of Islam.


I don't find their outlook of history totaly meaningless though.For the criticism that can be applied to their Revivalist view of history is equally relevent to other prevailing views of history(Marxian and libertarian view)even if it judged with help of same methodolgy(i will explain this point sometimes latter in detail,i will show that the so called progressivist views of history are not so progressive after all,when judged from a serious and sophisticated philosophical standpoint)

But the problem with Taliban's view is that they fail to realize that while certain fundamnentals of human nature and society may remain constant, at least the surface of the society changes.in particular a change or progres occurs in technology as well as structure and complexity of social institution and methods for running them.Therefore, taliban often defeats their own purpose by failing to properly accomodate social institution that have evolved over a long stretch of time.

more latter

#236 "Who started this ridiculous story? "

right!! if only every religion as sane as monkey-god worship, to pick a more printable example from hindu "culture"!!

#237 Posted by _ar_jun42 on
arjun,
well Zardari, thook lagaane ki kosis kar raha hai, jarda lagane ke bajaye... those guys are in the habit of deceiving people, they can say anything and they pray 5 times that people will be fooled by whatever they say...never understanding and nor remembering that they are doing it much more often than they are praying....

Taliban control huge areas, says Zardari

Sunday, February 15, 2009
NEW YORK: Stating that Pakistan had been in denial about the Taliban in the past, President Asif Ali Zardari has said his government was determined to put an end to the growing threat of the militants.

“(The Taliban) do have a presence in huge amounts of land in our side. Yes, that is the fact,� Zardari told CBS in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday, excerpts of which were released on Friday.

“It’s been happening over time and it’s happened out of denial. Everybody was in denial,� he said on the networks’ programme “60 Minutes�.

The president said many thought that “they’re weak and they won’t be able to take over ... they won’t be able to give us a challenge�.

Re: # 225 Posted by hamidm2 on February 14, 2009 2:04:44 pm

Hamid mian,

Where did you get this truth from?

[.. yes, it is true that the stone in the kaaba is a meteroite which fell on abraham's head while he was getting ready to slaughter his concubine's son, ishamel ..]

Who was the scribe of this event? Who started this ridiculous story? I thought that abraham was alone when he was getting ready to slaughter his son. Or did he have some spectator event?

[.. and yes all human beings are descended from adam and eve, ] And you are saying this on Darwin's 200 year birthday!!

..[except arjun mian who is descended from a lunatic monkey (tahmed made this discovery) ] Actually, Darwin made this discovery.

Re: # 204 pew: "BTW, did you know that the Afghan government has been protesting to Pakistan to not use the names of Afghan generals for their No Dong (N. Korean) missiles?"

You nugget don't you know that there are more Afghans (Pakhtuns) in Pakistan than in Afghanistan...moreover Karzai is more like the mayor of Kabul rather than the govt of Afghanistan, and girls like him used to roam the streets of Peshawar copiously (I don't know if they still do), called "Gillumjam" by the locals...selling their bodies for about 500 rupees or so...

Amritsar is answer to your prayers :).

Pardesi something to think about if u can get your heads out of ganga

hamidm,
"it is better to be the product of incest than be descended from monkeys ....... "
Does that mean incest is legal in Islam?

hamidm,
" it is better to be the product of incest than be descended from monkeys ...."

thats true... Nevetheless the monkeys must also have descended from Monkey Adam and his mate Monkey Eve, hence making them also a product of incest.


".... of course abraham survived! ... he was a prophet .... "

Kash mein prophet hota!

Only if someone was willing to listen to me, I also could have become one.

Re: # 228

tezaab mian,

.... of course abraham survived! ... he was a prophet ....next you will be questioning the virgin birth, walking on water, flying to the seventh heaven on a winged horse and executive compensation on wall street .......

#223 Posted by hamidm2 on February 14, 2009 1:24:35 pm

"i am caught between the ganga, a polluted open sewer, and the kaaba, the house of the devil ......verily i am fckued!"

Amritsar is answer to your prayers :).

However, if you are not open minded to Sikhism, it's understandable. Like they say - Ghar ki murgi dal barabar.

Re: # 227

tezaab mian,

..... it is better to be the product of incest than be descended from monkeys ....... just look at arjun mian

hamidm,

Abraham survived that hit on his head? The meteorite must not be that big then.

hamidm2,

"and yes all human beings are descended from adam and eve"

does that make all of us a product of incest? The only way I see humans multiplying is when Adam and Eves children do it among themselves.