The Nightmare Must End

Ham-dam muwaish2

you are stuck in a rut. You are an as*whole on peril. Don`t you have any thing better to do in life? Why do you swim in the toilet bowl with such delight?

hamidm the liar: just to keep the record straight, i dont support the "objectives resolution" rubbish about "islamic state", and never have. but dont let little facts come in the way of your misrepresentations - after all, even an empty lota like you needs some bs to rattle out...

Re: # 318

tahir mian,

.... sorry, i didn't mean to leave out the wife who financed the whole thing, the nephew and the other father-in-law ........ in islam state building is a family enterprise ....

Re: # 317

giani mian,

.... the first nail was put in when the Objectives Resolution was passed to please the tahmed ......... this particular nail was first hammered in by mrs zardari when she was elected by the unwashed masses - it had come loose and was hammered back in by mr zardari .......

...... if i was a horrible hindoo i would be really worried because it is only a matter of time before the hordes of allah march on to delhi ......... circumcision can be very painful .....

Re: # 316
" reminds me of another father-in-law son-in-law team that started this nonsense many years ago in medina ........"

Ham-dam-thank-you-ma'am,

You are one sick (I can't seem to decide what animal must I compare you with)...

You'll surely give up your ghost to Kali one night. How amazingly disrespectful!

Poor upbringing is to be blamed.

Guess the first nail in the coffin of the pure state was hammered in today. Jinnah must be squirming wherever he is.

Hamidm2, you poor sod, feel sorry for you man

Re: # 313

tahmed,

.... you really are a simpleton! .... do you really think the taliban in swat are gong to disarm and take up golf? .... for all practical purposes the government of pakistan has ceded control to hazrat sufi mohammad (ra) who is now the defacto khalifa of swat with his son-in-law as the commander of chief of his army .......... reminds me of another father-in-law son-in-law team that started this nonsense many years ago in medina ........

brother bismillah,

....... subhanallah!........ praise be to allah and his holy prophet (pbuhahc) ..... today we have laid the foundation of the islamic emirates of pakistan in swat ... under the leadership of hazrat sufi mohammad the true believers will now organize themselves and in a few years, inshallah, we will march into islamabad, lahore and karachi ..... once the islamic state has been expanded to include all of pakistan and the minafiqoon and the kanjaroon have been dispatched to hell, we will march on to delhi ....... soon the glory of the muslim empire will be restored and the green and white banner will fly from the red fort ...... we warn the hindoos to either convert, pay jizziya or face the wrath of allah ...........


p.s. the horrible hindoos on this forum can start making down payments on their jizziya by sending fifty dollars a month to me .......

Re: # 312

tahmed32

Understand one thing, ideologies outlive all foxes and thees maar khan's. Objective resolution was supposed to alleviate religious sentiment by including Islamic in the constitution and that was supposed to be the end of it, but history tells us a very different story.

Religious parties have been the most consistent political activists, and they have been rewarded with a totalitarian state which suites their vision. Zardari may out fox Bholla NS but is no match to the religious activists.

another bird zardari may be killing with this stone (which of course will be very bad for pakistan) is the lawyers movement. i.e., with sharia courts replacing regular courts in malakand, he would have removed his arch-enemy (namely the lawyers) from the political scene.

zardari may seem crazy in agreeing to sharia law in malakand, but he is crazy like a fox - by giving the mullah a long enough rope (i.e. institute sharia law in swat), we may very well see the mullah hang himself (by showing the hollowness of "sharia law" in addressing real issues). and the nwfp gov is no fool either.

Re: # 310

Pew Research

We all know that Bush & Co right after 9/11 were planning to attack iraq, ease of victory in Afghanistan probably accelerated that process. In their haste to close the deal they made many exceptions and compromises as you rightly referred, but that was then, what is happening today and the last two years is well known and hard to explain.

Lets explore some facts:

- Pakistan army allows the Taliban to take control of the western regions
- Swat is surrendered to the extremists
- Extremists are allowed to exterminate all local opposition, effectively removing any chance of finding domestic opposition to their agenda
- Control and Command structure of the pro-Taliban religious seminaries across Pakistan till date remains unscathed. On the contrary, they are fully operational and patronized by state and popular media.
- American drones increase their attacks into Pakistan territory
- Popular press ratchets up their outrage against the American aggression but ignore atrocities committed by the local taliban
- pro-Taliban Jihadis try to expand the theatre of violence by attacking Mumbai
- Pakistan army raises their concerns regarding drone attacks and threaten retaliation
- American/NATO supply lines are attacked across Pakistan and NATO depots are destroyed by Talbans

In summary, State of Pakistan is convinced that the main target is Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal, thus the need to counter all possible threats and reinforce their traditional alliances. Liberals such PPP are trying their best to salvage a political deal and Pak army is playing along but keeping their options open all the time.

Re: # 301 rf786

"...SO I ask the same question, how is it that the Americans can allow the Pakistani Army to airlift enemy combatants and then give sanctuary to people like Mulla Omer?..."

Short-sightedness of the Bush White House, who viewed the Al Qaeda as the main threat (parasite) that had found a willing host (Taliban). I know that this may be hard to swallow, but the answers lie again in Rashid's book. Basically, when Musharraf did his famous U-Turn on the Taliban in 2001, he became a Bush Whitehouse favorite. Musharraf wanted to preserve the Taliban and convinced the Bush Whitehouse that there was a distinction between Al Qaeda and the Taliban and that the former were the ones worth pursuing. The Bushies went along with this because they wanted to retain the loyalty of Musharraf. I don't think that the Bushies realized that many Al Qaeda also escaped in the Konduz airlift.

Add to this the zeal with which the Neocons wanted to pursue Saddam immediately after 9/11 that they began to lose interest even in Osama Bin Laden when the battle of Tora Bora was raging. The Bush Whitehouse sent hardly any soldiers for the coup de grace, leaving Osama to escape by bribing the local Afghan forces.

Later when the Iraq war drew American resources and Afghanistan was neglected, the Taliban came back with a vengeance with ISI backing. With a new Obama Administration, and Afghanistan in a precarious state today, the focus will shift to the Taliban.

#308 Posted by Goldfinger on February 16, 2009 4:26:26 am

what happened in the past was that your hindu great great grandmother got the mukhtaran mai canadian visa interview...and then "converted" to islam...

Re: # 304 arjun says: "if you inbred retards were really that capable, indian kashmir would have banega'ed pakiland a long time ago...wouldn't it..."

Thats whats happened the past 1000 years and more, except for brief interegnums evey now and then...so some will die to meet their 72 houris, some like yourself will die, in the service of your kali maa and raw, and be reborn as one of those white little fluffy poodles to be looked after by some white pet-loving girl in a white land...and you shall run yelp yelp yelp...all over the place...but I for myself still do not know where I will go...?

Re: # 282 Tahmed

I am not smart enough to figure out what the differences are between orthodox Islam, Meiji Japan, Ming China, modern India and Western Renaissance as to why different civilizations decay and rise. The only thing that can be said with certainty is that Muslim countries are in decay today and they all claim to be deeply religious/orthodox. They (without exception) give a special legal status to Islam. It doesn't take someone with high IQ to put two and two together.

Bernard Lewis explains this as a result of there being no secular tradition in Islam due in large part to Muhammad being a religious and political leader simultaneously in his lifetime, in contrast to the hostility between the Church and Rome for 300 years. If he is right, then the outlook for Islamic societies to break out of this spiral is gloomy.

A different way of looking at the same issue is that about 400 years after the introduction of Islam in North India, the Mughal Akbar realized that the vastness of India posed an entirely different challenge for governance by an Islamic elite compared to what the past Islamic conquerors of North Africa and the Middle East had faced. He realized that the consolidation of the empire could not happen without abandoning some of the rigid Koranic doctrines. Hence his search for 'Din-e-Ilahi' and alliances with Hindu kingdoms. It is no surprise that he succeeded to a large extent in bringing stability to the largest Indian empire since Ashok and has gone down in history as Akbar 'The Great'.

The Subcontinent changed Islamic 'culture' as well in unique ways. It may not be widely publicized in Pakistan, but the great Muslim Hindustani classical musicians are inspired often by Hindu hymns. Many of the greatest 'ragas' in the Muslims courts all over India were sung in devotion of Hindu gods! This change never happened outside India and mainstream revisionists in Pakistan are in denial about it. Today, singing (let alone to Hindu gods), is heresy in many Islamic societies. Kabir, Nizamuddin Auliya, Ahmedis have to viewed in a similar light. So, the point of this is that attempts to 'modernize' Islam have faced conflict and the orthodoxy is 'winning'. (By 'modernize' I mean being comfortable and at ease with conflicting viewpoints, not adopting the symbols of modernity).

rf786 is right when he says that the 'Muslims of India can be an ally in this struggle', since they are the largest, freest Muslim society in the world.

Unless, this issue is sorted, I am afraid that we will get more of the same.