The Nightmare Must End

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Here in Karachi, even my seventh-grade old daughter argues that all this has nothing to do with Islam.
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Right... but those bearded adults who are willing to die in suicide attacks do not understand this..... why????

why is it so easy to fool those adults if seven year olds can understand this?

If you simply want to deny things without changing them for better, things will become worse from bad. This happened, 1000 years ago, this happened during lifetime of Pakistan and this is happening now.... Deny the problem and live with it and hope things will correct themselves...

Who can stop taliban?

1. Army?
2. political dialogue?
3. may be creating a big enough state where their current number can fit and can be segregated...


wrong none of this will help...

what is the solution then???

What a sad story when half of women - humankind have to pay such a heavy price for the presence of these Talibans!

Kamath

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind

the nightmare must continue...more pakis, preferably hundreds of thousands more, need to die before pakis realize terrorism isn't cost free...

paki "liberals" like beena are part of the problem...by their attempts to deny the existence of the paki state backed jihad, they're condoning the terrorism...hopefully a jihadi bomb will get a bunch of paki "liberals" this year..and their families...

only good paki is a dead paki...

Doubts mark Pakistan's crackdown on militants
By Paul Wiseman, USA TODAY
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — To much of the world, Lashkar-e-Taiba militants are the killers behind the massacre of 164 people in Mumbai last November. To Pakistanis such as Atiq Awan, they're freedom fighters and do-gooders who help the poor.

"No one is against them," Awan says, taking a break at a shoe shop where he works along the Grand Trunk Road, a fabled South Asian trade route. "They serve the common people."

In the 2½ months since gunmen stormed Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel and other landmarks, Pakistan has responded to international pressure by arresting Lashkar leaders and seizing some of the group's assets. But its popular support and close ties to the military establishment have raised questions about whether Pakistan's government is willing or able to crush the organization — before it strikes again.

"Is this (crackdown) serious?" asks Daniel Markey, a former State Department official and South Asia specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations, a New York think tank. "Or is it just another whitewash?"

Of all the terrorist groups in South Asia, Lashkar "represents a threat to regional and global security second only to al-Qaeda," analyst Ashley Tellis of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has said. The governments of the United States, India, Britain and several other countries allege that Lashkar planned not only the Mumbai attacks of November, but the bombings of commuter trains in the same city in July 2006 that killed 186.

Lashkar has denied involvement in either Mumbai attack. The group has been officially banned in Pakistan since 2002, shortly after India alleged Lashkar was responsible for an attack on the Indian parliament.

That incident pushed India and Pakistan, both of them nuclear powers, to the brink of war. Analysts including Victoria Schofield, a British author, worry that one more Mumbai-like attack could be enough to push the two countries over the edge unless Pakistan can convince the world it's serious about the Lashkar crackdown.

Pakistan calls for proof

Doubts about the effectiveness of the post-Mumbai crackdown grew this week when Pakistan's government complained that it needed more evidence from India before it could prosecute any Pakistani suspects. "Pakistan stands committed to bring the perpetrators to justice," Pakistani Information Minister Sherry Rehman said in an e-mail to USA TODAY. "However, progress in our investigations depends on cooperation from India."

India had given Pakistani authorities a dossier documenting links between the 10 Mumbai attackers and Pakistan. Among the findings: The only surviving attacker, Pakistan-born Amal Amir Kasab, trained for the mission with Lashkar militants in Pakistan.

"Pakistan has been given enough proof," said India's minister of state for external affairs, Anand Sharma. Sharma warned that the world "is watching and won't let Pakistan get away."

Pakistan said in January it had arrested 71 Lashkar members and detained 124 others. It seized a 75-acre compound outside Lahore that belongs to Jamatt-ud-Dawa, a charity organization blacklisted by the United Nations Security Council in December as a Lashkar front.

Jamatt's continued ability to function and expand its popular base is evidence that the group enjoys "tacit support" from Pakistan's army and intelligence service, according to Tellis.

"There's a certain amount of sympathy for these groups in Pakistani society. It is difficult to completely neutralize them," says Wilson John of the Observer Research Foundation, an Indian think tank. "If you really want to do it, you can do it. But the Pakistani army is not really serious."

That hesitance may be related to the group's origins. Lashkar-e-Taiba — "Army of the Pure" — started in 1987 as the armed wing of a Pakistani fundamentalist group. One founder was Osama bin Laden's mentor, Abdullah Azzam. Lashkar served as a proxy for Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), by fighting Indian forces in the disputed region of Kashmir.

Lashkar "was from the very beginning a preferred ward of the ISI, enjoying all the protection offered by the Pakistani state," Tellis told U.S. senators last month. He said Lashkar's goals go beyond freeing Kashmir from Indian control; it wants to recover "lost Muslim lands" in Europe and Asia and create a new Muslim Caliphate. Both goals have been cited by al-Qaeda as justification for terror attacks in the Western world.

Good deeds

Jamaat is praised by many Pakistanis for its charity work — treating poor patients for the equivalent of 25 cents a visit and aiding victims of a devastating earthquake in 2005. At its compound in Muridke outside Lahore, Jamaat runs schools, clinics, even a fish farm.

Muridke vegetable seller Tahir Hussain admires the Jamaat activists for their good deeds and says they shouldn't be banned even if they were involved in attacks in Kashmir. "The entire Pakistani nation admires this jihad," he says.

Pakistan waited for weeks before dispatching police to occupy the Muridke compound last month. Markey suspects the delay reflects confusion among local officials: "Just imagine how hard it is when you say to your local guys: 'This time we mean it.' "

Schofield, the British author of Kashmir in Conflict, bets that Pakistan is serious at last. Last year, civilians led by President Asif Ali Zardari replaced a military regime that had ruled Pakistan for nine years. "Zardari has to demonstrate he has control," she says. "He has to put his money where his mouth is. … The pressure from India is mounting."

The alternative scenario — a broader war in South Asia — may be too scary for Zardari to contemplate, Schofield says. "If there is one more terrorist attack," Schofield says, "it's pretty perilous."

Contributing: Zafar M. Sheikh and wire reports

The nightmare will begin to end with the admission that massacre of school girls in Islamabad was a sin. Then beg for mercy and start doing honestly whatever you can to stop the corrupt ruling elite from killing and destoying Pakistani citizens; assuage the pain and hurt of your fellow citizens that has been caused by the pro-western, corrupt vassalge ruling elite - with their arrogance, greed, and lawlessness.

Re: # 5

Kambakhat dishonest mullah ki gaand!

If you cared the least bit for those "school girls" you would not have condoned their being placed in that situation of having to challenge the khakis with lathis while your own ass is safely parked on Western shores! Folks like you are the worst of hypocrites!

Re: # 5 urstruly, crime can not counter crime,only justice and goodwill can.spreading illwill is like spreading desease ,very contagiuos.please do not do it

urstruly:

would you say the same if your daughters are killed in a suicide attack done in revenge for jamia hafsa? would you say the same if your father is abducted to finance the bombing that would kill your daughters?

The "killers" so to speak were from the special forces and the regular army, most probably from punjab. Jamia hafsa had an overwhelming majority of girls from the NWFP and the most of the fighters with the Ghazi brothers were from Fazlullah's brigade in Swat.

Then why is it that only the Swatis are paying the price for Jamia Hafsa while faisalabad's biggest concern is load shedding?

It is very easy to legitimize beheadings and bombings by giving these twisted explanations. It is when one himself is a victim of these senseless bombings that one sees the stupidity and downright ignorance in these twisted explanations.

It is explanations like these that legitimize Taliban brutality and does not expose them as handymen of the generals of Pak army. This whole charade is not a revenge for jamia a hafsa it is pak fauj's eternal obsession with the strategic depth. Pak fauj is NOT engaging the Taliban, the Taliban training camp at peuchar which is the head quarters of the Fazlullah movement has been left unscathed by our F-16s while mortars are being lobbed in down town mingora. wake up and smell the coffee

I sincerely wish you don't go through a personal loss to realize how insanely illogical your reasoning is and how hurtful it is to people who are actually bearing the brunt of this mess.

Re: # 5
Urs...
this is typical musla excuse to justify violence....
May be you should have been brought up in such a way that, you would have heard of something called election etc...which will bring permanent change without destroying society...but them history of islam is something, which spread in this way to take revenge against handful of "elites"...the saga continues and victim of islam grows day by day...
but then, some muslas living in civilised world, try to potray islam in different way and make these people ( people of swat etc...) look villain than true islamist....

Re: # 6
bj...
who are you to think that these school going girls are wretched?...couple of generations after this, people will forget that there was once something existed called girl's school and everything will look normal...the way gandhar, sindh and punjab transitioned from India to slave to arab beduinism, it was supposed to be like that...couple of centuries of british model of administration and association of indic people defered the destiny....
it was the devilish work of sir ganga ram etc...which defered it...50 years down the line, entire pakistan may be like what swat looks today...we, indians should bother much about the negative impact on India....
do pakis bother about, a university existed pre-musla era called in Takshsheela? I think the name of the place also changed into some [Afghan Raider's name]BAD ...

Bina,

Once again I have to remind you, as a regular on chowk you should hve read my posts, long befor teh western media started talking about pakistan as terror central, I had posted the very basis why it will become terror central. The TNT that has evolved into k for kafir education and ameobic tendency to divide and attack the other can only be stopped by removing those photos from govt buildngs nd repudiating the TNT as at par with the ideology of that german with a funny mush.

Beena, take from me, what you are seeing is only the beginning ofthe nightmare, it has a lot more to go.

A highly-placed official on condition of anonymity told ‘The News’ here on Tuesday that since the 9/11 incident which has caused lawlessness in Pakistan, foreigners have stopped touring the country for recreational purposes, causing a huge loss in terms of revenue generation to the tourism industry.

Replying to a question, the official, who is currently heading a branch

of the Tourism Ministry at Flashman’s Hotel, informed that there has been a

90 per cent decline in the number

of tourists, who now show no interest

in visiting Pakistan for recreational or mountaineering purposes in the Northern Areas.

“Moreover, the worsening law and order situation and killings in Swat have further aggravated the situation,� he said adding that due to fear and tension, the tourism offices in Swat have been closed and the Ministry of Tourism is still bound to pay emoluments worth Rs10 million to its workers.


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Helping pakistan - advice from an indian.


There are many weirdos in teh US who would like to see real lfe beheading. As the swat are is becoming fully sharia compliant, there could be public beheading and that coul be sold s tourist attractions.

In most parts of islamabad, during id, galleries are built so taht people can watch killing of camels. Such people can etaken to swat to see real jihadic killings.

There are sharia compliant ways to increase tourism. Just like you have sharia compliant banking as introduced by teh islamic govt world wide, there could be sharia compliant tourism, it is all a question of promoting it.

I have predicted that Pakistani elites would try to act like Baghdad Bob......saying 'Sab theek Hai" .........and suddenly one would find Hamid-Gul as the Pakistani PM!!!

Just wish to say that these bearded demons in Swat and everywhere else are like the black plague, and they must be treated like virulent pests...they are a Frankenstein monster...chickens coming home to roost...creations of small minds and if not nipped now they will spread like cancer far and wide...its very evil to have ultimately unleashed this upon the Pakhtun people (majority of whom have absolutely no sympathies for them)...unfortunately instead of wiping the earth's face clean of them, some are even talking of conferring with them to make deals with them, which would be another travesty of justice...if anyone is serious about doing away with them ought to be easy...special forces (preferably constituted mostly of Pathan individuals) could ferret out their leaders and take them out one by one...in addition to other targeted methods of doing away with all their leaders...and their FM stations...Pakhtuns are already making vigilante groups and posse's for their own safety to counter the bearded scourge...but then what would be the standing of the government in all of this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/10/pakistan-advertising-campaign

Those ignorant Taliban who even can't write their name,have no right to impose their 7th century views on normal people,they have no right to ban girls education,they are thugs and criminal killing innocent people,if this is Islam then I must quit this kind of religion which preach hate,violence and allows killing innocent people.