Ather Naqvi March 2, 2009
#113 Posted by akcheema on March 3, 2009 1:01:01 pm
Imran Khan is a typical example of what happens to Pakistani men ... time and time again ... they start out 'posing' to be liberal, the minute they pass 40, suddenly they 'rediscover' their Islam ... they become 'born-agains' and use the same old arguments that "I am a muslim because I have thought and rationalised the process and not just muslim by birth" .... the phenomenon is endemic, and sadly contagious too
I think it is rather pathetic personally ... but that's just my humble opinion on the subject
I think it is rather pathetic personally ... but that's just my humble opinion on the subject
#112 Posted by bubba on March 3, 2009 12:57:09 pm
Re: # 107 Posted by hamidm2 on March 3, 2009 11:53:33 am
hamid mian,
so you want [.. that is why i have often called for the invasion of saudi arabia and putting mecca and medina under un control ..] but not puristan. Why?
i am not familiar with eygypt's diverse ethnicity. puristan has so many different ethnic group that it is nearly impossible to check the length of someone's pubic hair. and then, who will be the "nai". most pakis will agree with you on hanging those who create hatred, and limited use of the masjids. but where do we find such "mai ka laal?" do you think that your grandpa "gopindanath whatever" had any such genes in him that is left amongst the current generation of pakis. me thinks that those who can clean puristan are unfortunately on the other side of the dmz line.
do you remember the fight between aslam pehelwaan (younger brother of rustom-e-zaman, bholou pehelwaan) and japanese wrestler inoki, and how that fight ended in less than a minute, with aslam crying for his life, due to his dislocated shoulder. all the pooh-paah of the punjoos are well recorded, hamid mian. would you not agree?
hamid mian,
so you want [.. that is why i have often called for the invasion of saudi arabia and putting mecca and medina under un control ..] but not puristan. Why?
i am not familiar with eygypt's diverse ethnicity. puristan has so many different ethnic group that it is nearly impossible to check the length of someone's pubic hair. and then, who will be the "nai". most pakis will agree with you on hanging those who create hatred, and limited use of the masjids. but where do we find such "mai ka laal?" do you think that your grandpa "gopindanath whatever" had any such genes in him that is left amongst the current generation of pakis. me thinks that those who can clean puristan are unfortunately on the other side of the dmz line.
do you remember the fight between aslam pehelwaan (younger brother of rustom-e-zaman, bholou pehelwaan) and japanese wrestler inoki, and how that fight ended in less than a minute, with aslam crying for his life, due to his dislocated shoulder. all the pooh-paah of the punjoos are well recorded, hamid mian. would you not agree?
#111 Posted by anil on March 3, 2009 12:47:33 pm
Re: # 109
Hamidm sahib:
".... imran khan is hamid gul's protege .....is an imbecile! ..."
Do you think shalwar does that to men?
Hamidm sahib:
".... imran khan is hamid gul's protege .....is an imbecile! ..."
Do you think shalwar does that to men?
#110 Posted by Alphalpha on March 3, 2009 12:12:02 pm
yaar when is pakistan going away....just give a friggin date already....the palce is a friggin headache for pakistanis and everyone else...hurry up with it already!!
#109 Posted by hamidm2 on March 3, 2009 12:10:21 pm
Re: # 105
naqshbandi mian,
.... imran khan is an apologist for the taliban and is constantly going on and on about the american-hindoo-zionist conspiracy to destabilize pakistan ..... he is hamid gul's protege ......... today he was on tv insisting that there is a 'foreign hand' behind the lahore attack .... the man is an imbecile!
naqshbandi mian,
.... imran khan is an apologist for the taliban and is constantly going on and on about the american-hindoo-zionist conspiracy to destabilize pakistan ..... he is hamid gul's protege ......... today he was on tv insisting that there is a 'foreign hand' behind the lahore attack .... the man is an imbecile!
#108 Posted by inquilaabi on March 3, 2009 12:09:39 pm
"pakistan is actually a little better in that respect, even though ahmedis are second class citizens ..."
and Christians, and other religious minorities.
a non-Muslim can't be a citizen of Maldives? Damn, I'm glad I gave up my dream of moving there.
and Christians, and other religious minorities.
a non-Muslim can't be a citizen of Maldives? Damn, I'm glad I gave up my dream of moving there.
#107 Posted by hamidm2 on March 3, 2009 11:53:33 am
Re: # 106
stuka mian,
.... the egyptian constitution explicitly states islam to be the official state religion and a 1980 amendment clearly states that all laws will be in accordance with the koran and sharia ........... with the exceptiion of turkey all moslem states have more or less the same stipulations ..... the 2008 constituion of maldives states that "a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives" ...... pakistan is actually a little better in that respect, even though ahmedis are second class citizens .........
.... this disease is universal among all moslems.... that is why i have often called for the invasion of saudi arabia and putting mecca and medina under un control ........
stuka mian,
.... the egyptian constitution explicitly states islam to be the official state religion and a 1980 amendment clearly states that all laws will be in accordance with the koran and sharia ........... with the exceptiion of turkey all moslem states have more or less the same stipulations ..... the 2008 constituion of maldives states that "a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives" ...... pakistan is actually a little better in that respect, even though ahmedis are second class citizens .........
.... this disease is universal among all moslems.... that is why i have often called for the invasion of saudi arabia and putting mecca and medina under un control ........
#106 Posted by stuka on March 3, 2009 11:21:17 am
"that may be your view. I don't know about what most Pakistanis thinking on this. maybe the state was dead on arrival in that sense."
Not really. If the state of Pakistan was defined as a state for Muslims (rather than Islam), it did not have to pass an objectives resolution defining Islam as the defining ideology. Other Muslim countries (Egypt, Turkey, Maldives etc.) do not do so.
Not really. If the state of Pakistan was defined as a state for Muslims (rather than Islam), it did not have to pass an objectives resolution defining Islam as the defining ideology. Other Muslim countries (Egypt, Turkey, Maldives etc.) do not do so.
#105 Posted by Naqshbandi on March 3, 2009 11:16:12 am
hamidm,
i agree that this was the final straw and a day of shame but i don't know why you have it in for imran khan?
anyway i think --and i may formulate my thoughts in an article for chowk--that the state should begin by declaring jihad on the wahabis/salafis by closing down ALL madrassahs linked to those schools of thought including the deobandi and tableeghis. the only institution that can do that is the army. so declare martial law. hang ALL the politicians, political mullahs and start from scratch. Saddam knew the Shia (in his case) mullahs in Iraq were troublecausers so he kept them on a tight leash. Kiyani can do the same to the Ahle Hadith/Salafis/Wahabis/Deos in Pakistan.
i agree that this was the final straw and a day of shame but i don't know why you have it in for imran khan?
anyway i think --and i may formulate my thoughts in an article for chowk--that the state should begin by declaring jihad on the wahabis/salafis by closing down ALL madrassahs linked to those schools of thought including the deobandi and tableeghis. the only institution that can do that is the army. so declare martial law. hang ALL the politicians, political mullahs and start from scratch. Saddam knew the Shia (in his case) mullahs in Iraq were troublecausers so he kept them on a tight leash. Kiyani can do the same to the Ahle Hadith/Salafis/Wahabis/Deos in Pakistan.
#104 Posted by Kamath on March 3, 2009 11:06:48 am
A highly placed Pakistani official suggested that this terrorist attack may have been planned and executed by RAW of India as "tit for tat" response for Mumbai messacare. This theory was backed by General Hamid Gul too.
Read today's Daily Times.
Who knows what happens in the dark recesses of minds of secret service agencies!. Kamath
Read today's Daily Times.
Who knows what happens in the dark recesses of minds of secret service agencies!. Kamath
#103 Posted by banjara286 on March 3, 2009 10:54:10 am
Re: # 101
i simply restated your suggestion that we should not worry about what happens with destruction of Pakistan. I find this kind of thinking scary.
i simply restated your suggestion that we should not worry about what happens with destruction of Pakistan. I find this kind of thinking scary.
#102 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2009 10:52:30 am
Re: # 101 and that (presumptuousness) is not a good thing....but heck, on chowk everything is allowed and happens....
#101 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2009 10:48:24 am
Re: # 99 what is the point of your second point? You are being extremely presumptuous
#100 Posted by banjara286 on March 3, 2009 10:46:44 am
Re: # 96
iron_mask,
why should I paint any scenario to you? you are the one doing the dreaming and hoping it comes true. then keep dreaming.
iron_mask,
why should I paint any scenario to you? you are the one doing the dreaming and hoping it comes true. then keep dreaming.
#99 Posted by banjara286 on March 3, 2009 10:44:16 am
Re: # 98
iron mask,
two comments. first I don't see the connection between what you quoted in that report and the demise of Pakistan.
second, you are beginning to think lise us moslems: "why worry about it now? we will deal with when it happens". now that is really scary.
iron mask,
two comments. first I don't see the connection between what you quoted in that report and the demise of Pakistan.
second, you are beginning to think lise us moslems: "why worry about it now? we will deal with when it happens". now that is really scary.
#98 Posted by iron_mask on March 3, 2009 10:34:41 am
banjara286...something for you to read...and think about ...the tentacles of the systems are in every orifice of the body politic. The nightmare is here and now. The future is the future why worry about it when it has not as yet happened. When it does the World will deal with it then as it see best.
The attack has been recorded on closed circuit TV and should enable the Pakistani authorities to identify the terrorists and the organisation to which they belong. The Sri Lankan government has advised the team to cancel the visit and return home.
While it is too early to assess as to who might have been responsible for the attack and why, one has to recall past instances of contacts of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam with the Harkat u -Mujahideen (known as the Harkat ul Ansar before 1997), a member of the International Islamic Front of the Al Qaeda [Images], and the role played by the commercial ships of the LTTE [Images] in the 1990s in facilitating heroin smuggling from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region.
In 1993, the Indian Coast Guard intercepted an LTTE ship in which Kittu, an LTTE leader, was travelling from Karachi to the Wanni region of northern Sri Lanka [Images]. When cornered by the Coast Guard, the LTTE cadres on board the ship set fire to it and it sank.
Kittu chose to go down with the ship in order to avoid falling into the hands of the Coast Guard. Some members of the crew jumped from the sinking ship and were arrested and interrogated. The subsequent investigation brought out that the ship was carrying a consignment of arms and ammunition which was loaded by the HuM cadres at Karachi, in the presence of some officers of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence and the Pakistan navy.
Reports received in 1994-95 had indicated that the LTTE had helped the HuM in smuggling arms and ammunition in its ships to jihadi elements in southern Philippines and that in return for this the HuM and the ISI had gifted some anti-aircraft weapons, ammunition and surface-to-air missiles to the LTTE.
Since 9/11, this source for clandestine arms procurement and heroin smuggling for the LTTE has dried up due to the deployment of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ships off Pakistan to prevent any shipping activity in support of the Al Qaeda.
The HuM continues to have an active presence in southern Philippines and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami in the Arakan area of Myanmar and in southern Thailand. One cannot rule out the possibility of the HuM --- and possibly even the HuJI --- maintaining fraternal ties with the LTTE despite its Hindu/Christian background and past anti-Muslim policies in the areas controlled by it.
The attack has been recorded on closed circuit TV and should enable the Pakistani authorities to identify the terrorists and the organisation to which they belong. The Sri Lankan government has advised the team to cancel the visit and return home.
While it is too early to assess as to who might have been responsible for the attack and why, one has to recall past instances of contacts of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam with the Harkat u -Mujahideen (known as the Harkat ul Ansar before 1997), a member of the International Islamic Front of the Al Qaeda [Images], and the role played by the commercial ships of the LTTE [Images] in the 1990s in facilitating heroin smuggling from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region.
In 1993, the Indian Coast Guard intercepted an LTTE ship in which Kittu, an LTTE leader, was travelling from Karachi to the Wanni region of northern Sri Lanka [Images]. When cornered by the Coast Guard, the LTTE cadres on board the ship set fire to it and it sank.
Kittu chose to go down with the ship in order to avoid falling into the hands of the Coast Guard. Some members of the crew jumped from the sinking ship and were arrested and interrogated. The subsequent investigation brought out that the ship was carrying a consignment of arms and ammunition which was loaded by the HuM cadres at Karachi, in the presence of some officers of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence and the Pakistan navy.
Reports received in 1994-95 had indicated that the LTTE had helped the HuM in smuggling arms and ammunition in its ships to jihadi elements in southern Philippines and that in return for this the HuM and the ISI had gifted some anti-aircraft weapons, ammunition and surface-to-air missiles to the LTTE.
Since 9/11, this source for clandestine arms procurement and heroin smuggling for the LTTE has dried up due to the deployment of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ships off Pakistan to prevent any shipping activity in support of the Al Qaeda.
The HuM continues to have an active presence in southern Philippines and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami in the Arakan area of Myanmar and in southern Thailand. One cannot rule out the possibility of the HuM --- and possibly even the HuJI --- maintaining fraternal ties with the LTTE despite its Hindu/Christian background and past anti-Muslim policies in the areas controlled by it.
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