Ather Naqvi March 2, 2009
#145 Posted by jayp on March 3, 2009 10:40:46 pm
Re: # 142
nkg
There is a big difference between violence in india and terrorism in pakistan. In pakistan it is supported by the state. See the case of swat, for years they said that the pakis do not have fm band stations to block out radio mullah. Now suddenly they have it. The radio mullah was supported by isi as part strategic depth.
Then again, the jihadi madrassas are supported by the isi as production house for the jihadis.
In pakistan the terror inside and out side is state sponsored. In india we have no such terror out fits now.
For pakistan, this attack is a path to jihadic heaven, progressively the airlines have cancelled their schedules, hardly any one leaves the country on tourist visas, hardly any investors come to teh country, exports are limited because quality surveyors refuse to go to pakiland...now the sports..then again other than cricket no other sports person from othert countries go there...so for pakistan it is not such a biog deal as it is made out to be.
It is just another mile stone in the terminal decline till re-sizing of poakistan takes place.
nkg
There is a big difference between violence in india and terrorism in pakistan. In pakistan it is supported by the state. See the case of swat, for years they said that the pakis do not have fm band stations to block out radio mullah. Now suddenly they have it. The radio mullah was supported by isi as part strategic depth.
Then again, the jihadi madrassas are supported by the isi as production house for the jihadis.
In pakistan the terror inside and out side is state sponsored. In india we have no such terror out fits now.
For pakistan, this attack is a path to jihadic heaven, progressively the airlines have cancelled their schedules, hardly any one leaves the country on tourist visas, hardly any investors come to teh country, exports are limited because quality surveyors refuse to go to pakiland...now the sports..then again other than cricket no other sports person from othert countries go there...so for pakistan it is not such a biog deal as it is made out to be.
It is just another mile stone in the terminal decline till re-sizing of poakistan takes place.
#144 Posted by ajeya on March 3, 2009 10:13:49 pm
This recent attack on the Sri Lankan Cricket team has been the latest, and possibly the most effective one by the Military-ISI-Zardari nexus. Considering the amount of inbreeding over generations, this was positively brilliant. It achieves many goals with a single strike.
I was reminded of how I used to be bewildered at the blatant inaction by the Indian government towards the Naxalites. I remebered how frustated I used to be until one day I realized that the most effective anti-Naxal strategy was indeed inaction. Ignore the situation, and deny the Naxalites the importance they seek. Let the problem be a chronic low-grade inflammation, rather than giving it the momentum it needs to catch fire and become bigger.
The ISI has been doing exactly that to the Indian government over the last few years. A chronic, low grade pain that the Indian government has studiously ignored, and made intermittent and never-ending public pronouncements of "peace deals" and other associated nonsense. Not good enough for the ISI. They needed something that would REALLY get India's attention, and hopefully damage it as well. The Mumbai thing, while filling the Paki hearts with elation, was slowly subsiding into chronic fact-finding and investigations. More was needed. Something that would goad the Indian politicians into making the wrong move out of sheer anger (anger usually comes from fear). Something that would hit them where it REALLY hurt........ MONEY!! Well how about scuttling the behemoth money-maker - the IPL? How about the Commonwealth Games in New Delhi slated for 2010? If these could be scuttled, not only would it be a HUGE monetary loss for India, but the adverse publicity it would generate would steer billions of dollars of business AWAY from India. BINGO!
It was interesting that NONE of the Sri Lankan players were killed. Killing them was never part of the plan. Just scaring them was enough.
Next move....UPA government. Unlike Chowk Pakis, "saccular" Lalu would find it difficult to blame this one on Hindus. So the UPA head honchos are mulling it over with Sonia.
The plot thickens....
I was reminded of how I used to be bewildered at the blatant inaction by the Indian government towards the Naxalites. I remebered how frustated I used to be until one day I realized that the most effective anti-Naxal strategy was indeed inaction. Ignore the situation, and deny the Naxalites the importance they seek. Let the problem be a chronic low-grade inflammation, rather than giving it the momentum it needs to catch fire and become bigger.
The ISI has been doing exactly that to the Indian government over the last few years. A chronic, low grade pain that the Indian government has studiously ignored, and made intermittent and never-ending public pronouncements of "peace deals" and other associated nonsense. Not good enough for the ISI. They needed something that would REALLY get India's attention, and hopefully damage it as well. The Mumbai thing, while filling the Paki hearts with elation, was slowly subsiding into chronic fact-finding and investigations. More was needed. Something that would goad the Indian politicians into making the wrong move out of sheer anger (anger usually comes from fear). Something that would hit them where it REALLY hurt........ MONEY!! Well how about scuttling the behemoth money-maker - the IPL? How about the Commonwealth Games in New Delhi slated for 2010? If these could be scuttled, not only would it be a HUGE monetary loss for India, but the adverse publicity it would generate would steer billions of dollars of business AWAY from India. BINGO!
It was interesting that NONE of the Sri Lankan players were killed. Killing them was never part of the plan. Just scaring them was enough.
Next move....UPA government. Unlike Chowk Pakis, "saccular" Lalu would find it difficult to blame this one on Hindus. So the UPA head honchos are mulling it over with Sonia.
The plot thickens....
#143 Posted by nkg on March 3, 2009 10:07:06 pm
Re: # 106
Stuka...
"Not really. If the state of Pakistan was defined as a state for Muslims (rather than Islam), it did not have to pass an objectives resolution defining Islam as the defining ideology. Other Muslim countries (Egypt, Turkey, Maldives etc.) do not do so...."
LOL...so, you want to make a nation/state exclusive for muslas and Islam will not play any role in the affair of that state!!!! You are real DH....
Stuka...
"Not really. If the state of Pakistan was defined as a state for Muslims (rather than Islam), it did not have to pass an objectives resolution defining Islam as the defining ideology. Other Muslim countries (Egypt, Turkey, Maldives etc.) do not do so...."
LOL...so, you want to make a nation/state exclusive for muslas and Islam will not play any role in the affair of that state!!!! You are real DH....
#142 Posted by nkg on March 3, 2009 10:02:48 pm
Re: # 138
Jay P...
Srilanka was once rocked with LTTE violence and Australia refuged to tour Srilanka...I still support the action of Lankan players and board...India refuged to tour Pakistan on political ground rather then security issues...Mind that, last year, Jaipur blast happenned during IPL and even Shane Warne and Greme Smith wanted to withdraw from IPL...Now, fate of IPL is uncertain too....
Jay P...
Srilanka was once rocked with LTTE violence and Australia refuged to tour Srilanka...I still support the action of Lankan players and board...India refuged to tour Pakistan on political ground rather then security issues...Mind that, last year, Jaipur blast happenned during IPL and even Shane Warne and Greme Smith wanted to withdraw from IPL...Now, fate of IPL is uncertain too....
#141 Posted by jayp on March 3, 2009 9:48:29 pm
How the terrorists duped security
Wednesday, March 04, 2009
By Rauf Klasra
ISLAMABAD: A telephone call from an unknown phone number by an unknown man just before the Sri Lankan team started its journey towards the stadium was the sole reason behind the sudden change of route earlier fixed for the visiting team, which landed all of them in the deadly trap.
////from jang, head lines today////////////
No sir, no one is going to change the planned route based on an unlnown phone call. Take it from me, it was from a high up in the paki military, isi is the culprit.
Wednesday, March 04, 2009
By Rauf Klasra
ISLAMABAD: A telephone call from an unknown phone number by an unknown man just before the Sri Lankan team started its journey towards the stadium was the sole reason behind the sudden change of route earlier fixed for the visiting team, which landed all of them in the deadly trap.
////from jang, head lines today////////////
No sir, no one is going to change the planned route based on an unlnown phone call. Take it from me, it was from a high up in the paki military, isi is the culprit.
#140 Posted by jayp on March 3, 2009 9:41:43 pm
n the other hand, a senior PPP MNA from Sindh Nabeel Gabol has blamed India in so many words for having carried out Tuesday’s attack on the Sri Lankan team. Gabol, while speaking on the Geo television, said: ìThe Lahore incident was a replay of the 26/11 attack and most likely carried out by Indian intelligence agents. I am saying so because of the fact that those investigating the gory incident have already recovered some Indian-made weapons as well as food items from the crime scene.�
In a related development, there were reports that former Inspector General of Punjab Shaukat Javed, who was sent home after the imposition of governor’s rule, had warned the provincial authorities in an official communiquÈ on Jan 22, 2009 that the RAW agents in Pakistan might target the Sri Lankan cricket team during its tour to Pakistan.
/////from jang////////////////
that is really pathetic. The indian investigation into mumbai found paki food items in the jihadis possession. All that the paki police could come up is the same...poverty of imagination..
In a related development, there were reports that former Inspector General of Punjab Shaukat Javed, who was sent home after the imposition of governor’s rule, had warned the provincial authorities in an official communiquÈ on Jan 22, 2009 that the RAW agents in Pakistan might target the Sri Lankan cricket team during its tour to Pakistan.
/////from jang////////////////
that is really pathetic. The indian investigation into mumbai found paki food items in the jihadis possession. All that the paki police could come up is the same...poverty of imagination..
#139 Posted by jayp on March 3, 2009 9:35:51 pm
Earlier on Wednesday, Pakistan offered a reward of 125,000 dollars for information about the militants behind a deadly ambush directed against Sri Lanka's cricket team, AP reported.
"The government of Punjab will give a cash prize of 10 million rupees (125,000 dollars) to anyone providing authentic information about the accused persons or their accomplices," said the Punjab government in an advertisement.
////////////////////////////from jang//////////////
I am sure that offer of money will work. Pakistan has collected a lot of money and distributed to the isi and the army for handing over pakis to the US. This time isi will collect money from paki govt...money is money according to the book.
"The government of Punjab will give a cash prize of 10 million rupees (125,000 dollars) to anyone providing authentic information about the accused persons or their accomplices," said the Punjab government in an advertisement.
////////////////////////////from jang//////////////
I am sure that offer of money will work. Pakistan has collected a lot of money and distributed to the isi and the army for handing over pakis to the US. This time isi will collect money from paki govt...money is money according to the book.
#138 Posted by jayp on March 3, 2009 9:30:36 pm
Who is behind it..elementary ..it is ISI
The isi only did the mumbai job,a colnel in the paki army did the coordination work, sadatulla I recall his name and he has admitted to being the coordinator.
The task team comprised nearly twenty, one half was sent top mumbai and the other was to attack the indian cricket team supposed to visit pakiland. The stupid srilankans to show their affinioty for the pakis accepted to replace indians.
One has to take note that at the last moment, the route of teh bus carrying the players was changed, and no one other than isi could have done that.
It is this last act which made sure that adequate police protection is not there for the bus.
It was only the budha that saved the sri lanksns, the rocket fired at the bus, missed and that is why they are live today.
The intire task is an isi job, and no one other than the gul saab was in prime news telling it is donme by the indians.
the rpompteness with which the blame for india came out is a clear indication of the publicity coordination by the isi.
The isi only did the mumbai job,a colnel in the paki army did the coordination work, sadatulla I recall his name and he has admitted to being the coordinator.
The task team comprised nearly twenty, one half was sent top mumbai and the other was to attack the indian cricket team supposed to visit pakiland. The stupid srilankans to show their affinioty for the pakis accepted to replace indians.
One has to take note that at the last moment, the route of teh bus carrying the players was changed, and no one other than isi could have done that.
It is this last act which made sure that adequate police protection is not there for the bus.
It was only the budha that saved the sri lanksns, the rocket fired at the bus, missed and that is why they are live today.
The intire task is an isi job, and no one other than the gul saab was in prime news telling it is donme by the indians.
the rpompteness with which the blame for india came out is a clear indication of the publicity coordination by the isi.
#137 Posted by nkg on March 3, 2009 7:50:01 pm
Re: # 113
akc...
apart from winning world cup cricket, had he (Imran Khan) done something, which makes him notable in public space? we used to mock at tamilians and telegus for their fondness to filmstars in politics...I think, politics is a full time profession and any tom dick and harry should not enter in that arena to encash success in another field...
akc...
apart from winning world cup cricket, had he (Imran Khan) done something, which makes him notable in public space? we used to mock at tamilians and telegus for their fondness to filmstars in politics...I think, politics is a full time profession and any tom dick and harry should not enter in that arena to encash success in another field...
#136 Posted by nkg on March 3, 2009 7:38:51 pm
Re: # 127
mike...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4397586.stm
What to do with such people?
mike...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4397586.stm
What to do with such people?
#135 Posted by hamidm2 on March 3, 2009 7:12:39 pm
Re: # 131
tahmed,
.... sorry, i must have missed your post .... come again .....
..... but don't you agree that musharraf was a lot more competent than these clowns? .... i think he should have followed the example of omar and saddam and eliminated his political opponents ...... if he had done that we wouldn't be where we are today ..... unfortunately, we pakis can't even produce a decent dictator who can take care of business like hafiz asad or hosni mubarak ......... let's see how kiyani turns out ........
..... and don't be talking bad about drinking .... as the great serbian leader slobodan milosovic said about the moslem ibrahim izetnegovich, "how can you sit down and have a dialog with somone who doesn't drink" ........ that might be the problem between the pehalwan brothers and the bhutto's kleptomaniac husband .........
tahmed,
.... sorry, i must have missed your post .... come again .....
..... but don't you agree that musharraf was a lot more competent than these clowns? .... i think he should have followed the example of omar and saddam and eliminated his political opponents ...... if he had done that we wouldn't be where we are today ..... unfortunately, we pakis can't even produce a decent dictator who can take care of business like hafiz asad or hosni mubarak ......... let's see how kiyani turns out ........
..... and don't be talking bad about drinking .... as the great serbian leader slobodan milosovic said about the moslem ibrahim izetnegovich, "how can you sit down and have a dialog with somone who doesn't drink" ........ that might be the problem between the pehalwan brothers and the bhutto's kleptomaniac husband .........
#134 Posted by nkg on March 3, 2009 6:41:59 pm
Re: # 52
regards...
the lesson muslas learn from arabic moon god's revealitions and the practical session they experience during arabic festivals (most of these festivals are festival of bloodshed and butchery) every year, is enough to indoctrine as criminal...I have stayed in a musla house and seen their kids (as young as 8/9 years old) enjoying it (animal butchery)...in similar situation, indian kids will get scared and will try to run away from the scene....no wonder, muslas do not hesitate to resort to bloodshed at slightest pretext in day to day life......
regards...
the lesson muslas learn from arabic moon god's revealitions and the practical session they experience during arabic festivals (most of these festivals are festival of bloodshed and butchery) every year, is enough to indoctrine as criminal...I have stayed in a musla house and seen their kids (as young as 8/9 years old) enjoying it (animal butchery)...in similar situation, indian kids will get scared and will try to run away from the scene....no wonder, muslas do not hesitate to resort to bloodshed at slightest pretext in day to day life......
#133 Posted by Pew_Research on March 3, 2009 6:37:34 pm
Today, we have seen the famed Pakistani hospitality on the streets of Lahore
#132 Posted by Pandhiani on March 3, 2009 6:36:51 pm
Zardari has not done anything wrong.
Army will not take over in Pakistan!
Army will not take over in Pakistan!
#131 Posted by tahmed32 on March 3, 2009 5:09:58 pm
Hamidm: i see you ignored my post concerning your hypocritical and absurd conflation of the rule of law with terrorism - the excuse used by your hero musharraf to prolong his incompetent and disastrous dictatorship in pakistan.
#130 Posted by tahmed32 on March 3, 2009 5:01:08 pm
#127 as for the pakistan army coming back to power as a result of zardari's insane attempts at becoming king zardari - it is indeed quite likely. the only thing is - civil society in pakistan is stronger and more alert to the problems of army rule than it ever was in the past. and that is the only hope for Pakistan now.
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