God of Many Needs

Re:#35 by quin

Labib is like Ghalib in Arabic poetry. He was a jew and initially against Islam, but impressed by Holy Prophet SAW and Quran he accepted Islam. During time of Hazrat Umar RA Labib was asked by Hazrat Umar to say some poems but he vehemently refused, when insisted he even then refused and said once I have learned Surah-Al-Baqrah then I feel ashamed of myself if I make another poem. ( I am not condemning the later Arabic poets, just to illustrate the Personal "Zarf" way of thinking of some people)

For example when I read Surah Al-Dahr(76), personally nothing is more poetic then this to me. Off course you get the poetic essence in Arabic and not in its translation. Anyway first verse says:

There has certainly come upon man a period of time when he was not a thing spoken of. (He was not a think worth mentioning).

Then verse 6,7 says:

But the virtous(Abrar) drink of a cup, tempered with camphor-- A spring wherefrom the servants of Allah drink. They make it gush forth-- a forceful gushing forth.

Now, you just pause there for a long time, what in the world is a spring which will increase if people drink it? Such a beautiful expression. Who are these Abrar? What are they doing? which will increase this spring. They are only drinking water from a spring, it should reduce the amount of water, but instead of that their action of drinking is increasing the water.

Then you read Quran and it says. YOUR GOOD ACTIONS EAT YOUR BAD ACTIONS and then you see: Oh, this is what Abrar do. and this is that water and this is that drinking.

Then you realize; Quran is doing poetry with a purpose. Which is mentioned in the first verse of Surah-Al-Barah, beginging of Quran.

Ghalib also mentioned that somewhere (Sharabun-Tahura)

Re: # 49 sorry tahir, it was a typo. Can’t you see that? Same 3 letters, just order reversed ... my apologies. I never resort to personal attacks because a personal attack in a debate (if it is a debate in the real sense) is a sign of intellectual weakness and I have full confidence in soundness of my arguments.

(Btw, throwing mud and using filthy language also comes across as sign of intellectual weakness - though for this post I understand your hurt)

Re: # 42
9MM,
"because you are dog of many needs."

This needs to be answered but you won't understand human language because all you hear is your own woof woof poetry in the toilet without the benefit of the background score of your pneumatic exhaust system.

I disagree strongly with you on certain issues about which YOU have no knowledge.

Did I ever abuse you or call you a dog? Never! And now that you have named me after somebody that you truly love, let me label you one too.

Husshhh tiger husshhh!

Re: # 47 akcheema sb., I will keep that in mind. Thanks for clarifying that aspect. Though I meant to limit my comparison to the recent posts (on this thread only), where you had without considering the metaphorical mirror imaging aspect of the poem, had jumped to some uncalled for conclusions, I do acknowledge that you are not a self-righteous person and my comparison, if it seemed to imply that, was unfair, and I am sorry for that.
Kind regards,

Re: # 42; quin

[[Just like cheema you make pronouncement about things of which you have no idea.]]

sir ... I may be a lot of things but am not a self-righteous prick! ... I protest in the strongest possible terms at this unfair comparison

my arguments, if they can be called that, are more to do with semantics (about theological concepts and how they are categorised) rather than a personal attack on anyone

Khuda hafiz

Re: # 45 DinaStrange, what a relief, finally, I felt reading your comment. My humble efforts have not gone futile after all. Thanks for taking time to read the explanation and for your gracious feedback.

Quin,

just read your post#31, where u said to replace word God with word Man and i have to apologize or rather applaud u poem. things fell into place and i loved it.

beautifully done.
:)

Re: # 43 read previous interacts e.g., 31 ,33 etc.

Seriously, had never read more no sense making poem than this one.
What is it about?

Re: # 40 tahir, what you are doing is not satire. it is spamming and jerkiness. It only hurts to see the waste of time and gumrahi and utter foolishness.
On Arjun thing, it was bittersweetmojo who started the protest in spite of he being proclaimed athiest. It was shame that you started fight with him. And a bitter fight, just like you are doing it with me for no reason. That was what really could hurt. Total idiocy on your part. Like Bush's march into Iraq and Afghanistan, you behaved with total insensibility, like a blind-hooded animal.
I had posted my protest post about Arjun thing. But that is no criteria for anyone's faith. What a foolishness to think that if someone did not write anything, they are less of a Muslim. This is the kind of attitude which is shame on religion's name.
One interpretation of my poem may apply to you in the following way. You are a blatant example of the kind of haughtiness to which the poem points out. You behave like you are a god. You judge, proclaim who is who, and this or that and you may be a god to your own thinking, within the walls of your psyche, but you come to chowQ, because you are dog of many needs.

And your needs are such that you post the most shameful images, and use most shameful words.

How much more idiotocity one can exhibit when without knowing me, you say, "I bet you feel proud about America"
Just like cheema you make pronouncement about things of which you have no idea.

Kis pind se uthh ke ayay ho! You see everyone in your rabid mirror. Go back to the caves where you belong. Don't waste your time here with things of which you have no understanding.

Re # 41. Good excuses. Be gone.

9MM,

I just remembered something:

Those images you loved so much in my gallery were posted to me by someone and came WITH the titles; I only ensured social justice was done in a way that only poets could understand! And by the mighty Niagara Falls, you undertood it perfectly!

Enjoy Torn-Ronto and the company of the Chowq shrink!

Re: # 39

I bet you feel proud about America! Don't waste your sorrow on me 9MM. Pleeease!

And where was your TAQWA when the Arjun Brigade attacked? All the proud Kalima-gos hid under their beds! THAT was truly shameful AND a disservice to Muslims. Ah these pseudo liberals with twin Pak-Am heads!

Are you trying to scare me with your Wird-Damm-PhooNk-whirling routine now? I'll be on my way now (you've correctly named that golden road); sit sulk by the roadside.

Over and out (at least for now).

PS: It is satire, not CLOWNING, and it does hurt!

Re: # 38, you are a TOTAL clown. And cannot be helped. I feel sorry for you.
Split personality - I can see. On one hand claiming to be believing in taqwa and zuhad, and on other, playing with the filth of the worst kind.
I have seen your gallery - very disappointing. Pathetic and pitiable. and you feel proud of it. Strutting about it. la houla wala quwwata illah billah. Shame on you. You are biggest disservice to the name of Muslims.
May God help you find 'siratul mustaqueem'

How about THIS 9MM?

(See my Gallery!):

Monica and Bill (thurki)
Now Bush and the turkey
My my emigrants
My what a country!

PS: Do you live THERE?

Re: # 34

9MM,

But there's much more RHYME in what you wrote, and with stumbling meter too! Aazaad shayri?

What's wrong, all dried up?

9MM,

"the word of 'God' sound irreplaceable"

Replace THIS word, and you have 'shirk'!

Nice acrobatics again; the Olympic Selection Committee is watching you with genuine interest!

And I've asked them to consider you despite the advanced age!

:)

Re: # 33 RizwarAhmed,
I don't know what the fight is for. I am just responding to clarify.
I hope some points are clarified. And I am sure some are not. But arrows come from other direction, I just raise the shield - and then try to share an understanding so that I may be of some help.
One always does not consciously write poetry for a purpose, though purpose may be hidden in the psyche. And what I believe is the purpose is fulfillment of being. All the art is (or should be) a seeking after truth and a seeking after the fulfillment. One of the divine attribute is takhleeq. And we do have a ray of it in our soul.
To reiterate one point - the poem stemmed from my feeling of man's utter innate humbleness in confrontation with utterly unknowable REALITY (not talking about reality that can be grasped by scientific tools - and tools they are – yes, TOOLS, means to an end) - but consider the fact how man thinks that how godlike is he.
The art does not have to be brutal. The human nature is very subtle too (Lateef). Saying things without sensibilities of latafat is violence in itself against these subtleties. And how careless people are in the use of words. So here comes the art. Or a theory of art.
How humble I feel in my searching and sifting of my inner being to see the secrets of divine there. And just play my harp. Like David - if I may dare.

Re: # 32 u r welcome, lekin aakhir kuchh naheen samjhay na!
exactly as I thought.

You make the word of 'God' sound irreplaceable
even by the Holy One
That is just a step away from 'shirk'
na'uzo billah

Rhyming the words do not a poem make
It takes much more than just to fake
Neither it always has to have kisses
Clowning blinds you to point it misses

What is the fight for? Is it really important to subdue someone with arguments. Nicha dekhana itna important?

It seems poetry is used like stones, to hit each other.

What will Rumi thinks if he observes this.

One thing is for sure that this poem is written after Quran, and if for argument purpose it is assumed that Quran was never revealed to this world, then the concepts which are attempted in the poem would be unknown to humankind.

I am still not clear what was the purpose of the poem?

To accept the challenge of Quran to bring a verse like this? even if it is example of Mosquito?

To narrate a concept of Quran in other words?

Re: # 31
MM,

Thanks for unsealing your lips but replacing god (or God) with 'man' is what the erring poets do and some atheistic Chowqies too. May the One and True God deal directly with misguided human missiles; my message stands delivered (all praise is due to Him).

Regards.
-------------------------------------------
Spring is in the air again
A new year is in love it seems
Unreal is the passage of time
I see kisses flowing down the stream

Re: # 30 Again, I have to first reiterate "I can only try to convey a truth that, for me, is not conveyable in any other form. Otherwise, why would I write a poem? "

Tell me tahir, what do you think why someone writes a poetry? If you think poetry is just a trifle, then how any poetry can be explained to you?

Yet, I will try; and this try can only be in hints /cues, otherwise, if a poem could be just paraphrased in prose, why a poem in the first place?

And here is the hint at your asking: Replace the word 'god' with 'man' in my poem and you will begin to see one aspect of its meaning. And it may be sufficient for you to know that this can be a metaphor of human condition - and I presume you know what a metaphor is - and of the abject humility of human condition (often unknown to them) in the face of ultimately unknowable universe, in spite of all the tools of knowledge at its disposal. And this is only one of many ways to look at it. The art / literature / sacred texts can and often contain more than one meaning - and I assume you know that too. Otherwise, the discussion is an exercise in futility - but you asked and I have responded.

(Greetings to you too)

Re: # 22
MM dear,

"How the reader perceives a truth expressed in a poem, the poet have no say in that."

Nice try MM! Please HAVE your say I implore you! As I reader (writer too, in case you missed those jems you didn't find funny because they hurt just in the right places), I'll plead total ignorance and request you to explain this piece. Tashreeh keejeeaye huzoor!

"It has to be left to the dynamics that is created between the written word and the reader."

Break that rule please! Just once MM!

"In that vein, I can only try to convey a truth that, for me, is not conveyable in any other form"

Oh really nobel poet laureate? You must be Bruce almighty? Let's just say you have no words, and no idea what you're chasing after.

Stop whirling for a change!

Still your brother in true faith.

Re: # 28. the point mentioned in # 27 does not show if I have a Quranic agenda. Honestly, I don't have any agenda other than sharing my perceptions, expression, whatever, from wherever they get inspiration.
I don't deny the fact that the light of Quran is part of it. And I feel blessed for that. This cannot be called agenda however. Consider this if you may that if you love Beethoven’s symphony #9 and are blessed to express your love in a poetic (or any other form), would you call it an agenda.
Lastly, your bursts of harshness do not bother me because, though we have fundamental differences, I respect inquisition of mind or heart, regardless of how sometime interacts may shape in the course of an argument.
Regards

sorry ... that was a bit harsh quin sahib (the choice of words and not the priciple at stake) ... hope I wasn't perceived as rude

Regards

Re: # 25; quin

this is taken from your own post on this very board (No 21)

[[well said.
That is the fundamental point.
That point is also confirmed in Quran by pointing out to the 'Meezan' (that should not be disturbed - Surah al Rehman).]]

and yes ... that's what I call an agenda sir ... sufism in the guise of Islam (or the other way around perhaps)

Re: # 23 Most of the sacred texts have used poetic forms in part; however, that does not mean they are just poems. First, you need to clearly define what a poem is, before you can make such a general statement. Also, it is important to see the nature of sacred texts in their historical context to have a meaningful discussion. This is a huge topic and deserve a book in itself.
Your addition of circular logic to my elliptical thread will make even more sense if you may just add a spiral string to it.

Re: # 24 I already said in Ghalib's words "kuchh na samjhay khuda karay koi"
It is hard to argue about poetry with someone who is behaving like a poetically challenged kid. In particular, if someone base his logic on presumptive, or should I say, presumptuous, axioms.
Here is a question for you akcheema.
What do you think what is my Quranic agenda?
And what you know about from where I get inspiration for my poetry?
Your paranoia seems no different from tahir's paranoia; flip side of the same coin; not watching your blind spot and blind to the subtleties of human mind, seeing things in either / or terms. (Remember Bush's either you are with us or...)
I have tried to give you cues about my poem in my previous posts but obviously it does not work with un-initiated or with a paranoid mind.

Re: # 22; quin
[[How the heck you presume that I am talking about God of Quran in this poem?]]

quit it now already! ... is there 'another' God you believe in?? whilst brandishing your Quranist agenda and poetry 'inspired' by it? ... or you happen to have a 'God' tucked away for the sake of convenience ... to be used with 'poetic' objectives in mind?

at least have the courage to be honest about your convictions ... please

Someone once told me that quran is less a holybook and more a beautiful poem. Elliptical/ circular in logic makes sense

Re: # 15 akcheema,
You are totally mistaken here sir, Again, you stretch in all directions.
How the heck you presume that I am talking about God of Quran in this poem?
Should I reiterate / rephrase my earlier statement?
I am creating a poetic metaphor to express a truth. How the reader perceives a truth expressed in a poem, the poet have no say in that. It has to be left to the dynamics that is created between the written word and the reader.
In that vein, I can only try to convey a truth that, for me, is not conveyable in any other form. Otherwise, why would I write a poem? To understand poetry, often you have to let go of rigidity of logical mind and linear thinking. It is elliptical, if you know what I mean.

Re: #16 RizwahAhmed:
"...the acutal road is somewhere in between ..."

well said.
That is the fundamental point.
That point is also confirmed in Quran by pointing out to the 'Meezan' (that should not be disturbed - Surah al Rehman).

Thanks for your comments.

Reply to # 6

Re: # 5 sufis and scholars like the one I mentioned were (and are) the ones who were (and are) the channel for Quran's light. Rest was (and is) an exercise in empire building - in its various guises.

Quran confirm this. "And He has placed in the earth firm mountains lest it quake with you, and rivers and routes that you may take the right way"

Mountains cause rivers to flow, from rivers canals are traced out, from canals farmers dug-out small branches for their individual fields. Same is the condition of religion and knowledge, there are canals and branches in true knowledge. Who else they if not true sufis?

This debate between "Alim" and "shaikh" is as old as Islam is or humanity is. True beleivers have no distinction, it is only done by those who come later and/or with half backed understanding. Does any companion of Holy Propeht SAW wasted his time in starting or engaging this kind of debate?

Reply to #17

No attribute of God ever discontinues. So if Quran and Islam says that God reveals Himself to humans then it must be true before Holy Prophet SAW. In fact Quran confirms that as far back as huamnity is God always revealed Himself to humankind.

Quran confirms that religion of Abraheem and all of those before him was Islam. "When his (Abraheem_ Lord said to him, Aslim(Submit), he said, 'I have submitted to the Lord of the worlds." (2L132)

Though Quran made one distinction which with a similitude is like this. Before time of Holy Prophet SAW it was the beginging days of lunar month. Whereas the power of revelation through Quran is like Moon on the fourteenth day.

There are all sort of personalties in this world. People of different observations and experiences. Some of them put their experiance in poetry. Now there poetry can be as much authentic as much their observation and experiance is.

There is another aspect which is of Creator and created. For example a poet arrange words and make a poem, then in a way it is Pseudo creation of his mind and this creation is as good as his mind is. For example this famous poem of Khwaja Ghulam Farid sung by Pathani Khan "Mera Kaaba, Qabla, Masjid, Mandar, Ilahm bhi too" leads one to the mind of Khawaja Ghulam Farid, that who that was purified by God, to express his observations and feelings in such a beautiful form. We know that after this poem, Khawaja Ghalam Farid did not stoped saying his prayer, or observing Saum or he did not started offering his prayers in a Mandar infront of Vishnu. It was just a beautiful poetic expresion from him, and to make such an expression one has to be of spititual calibre of Khawaja Ghulam Farid.

There is other side of the coin also, which Quran says, "And as for the poets -- it is the erring ones who follow them. Does you not see how they wander distracted in every valley. And that they say what they practise not?" (26:225-227) Here valley can be valley of wrong thougths or incomplete observations etc.

Re: # 16

you are using the old fashioned argument ... it was Iqbal who said

"agar kitaab se mumkin naheen firaagh ke tu;
kitaab khwaan hai magar saahib-e kitaab naheen"

problem is, if one keeps telling oneself something for long enough, in a repetitive fashion, and closes one's eyes to everything else around one, all of one's 'arguments' are simply for "reaffirmation" and NOT for critique ... the sad outcome of that is that one actually starts believing in it!

you keep forgetting the history of 'asceticism' is a lot older than Islam .. or even any of the so-called Abrahamic traditions

Belief in continuation of Ilham or Kashaf might appear strange to some and some might jump to the conclusion that such revelations have been stopped after Holy Prophet SAW. As if God has stopped talking with humans at a certain point in time.

Please consider Islamic history first before Jumping to any conclusion. Abdul Qadir Jalani RA and Mujadad Alaf Sani and others have reported that verses of Quran have been directly revelaed to them. This is not a matter of disrespect for Holy Prophet SAW, rahter it is a unique respect of Holy Prophet that only in his ummat(nation) are people who are recepient of revelation of God. Moreover those verses are not any new verses but rather verses of Quran and their revelation only strengthen the hearts of those who receive them. This is the secret by which Tree of Isalm is always green, as Quran points out "Do not you see how Allah sets forth the smilitudes of a good word? (13:25)It is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches reach into heaven"

This is especially problem for those to understand, who think Quran is all literal word. This is in contrast to those mis-guided sufis who think all the things are similitudes and nothing is literal. Whereas the acutal road is somewhere in between, basic things are literal which everyone can understand according to their capacity and Islam ordain everyone to observe those literal rituals. But then there are finer grains which God reveals on those He wishes and such revelation does not make them arrogant.

Re: # 13; quin

like I said, I have no issues with your understanding (or its lack) of the nature of 'God' ... and you are welcome to it if it makes you a better/happier person

what I do question is you presenting this 'persona' as the God of the Qur'an ... He is NOT that (the God of the Quran)whatever you might think or say

take care

This is a problem for those who are denier of "Ilham" or "Kashaf" or "Ilqa" or "true dreams" or revelation in this age.

All the attributes of God are for ever, none of them discontinue at any time.

One attribute is "Al-Ghani", God does not need to show Himself. If there is need it is for man to discern his Creator. And if God fullfills this need of some, to whoever He wishes then it is out of His benovalence and mercy and He is still "Al-Ghani".

Even to those to whom God reveals Himself, that revelation is partial. As God is also "Al-Latif wa Al-Khabir". As man has a limit to his capacities so is there a limit to how much he can see God.

Condition of those to whom God reveals is not like some of the insane Sufis, those who show no respect for Quran and Islam. But not all the Sufis are like this, rahter actual Sufis are those who experience improvement in their faith and observance of True injections of Quran and Islam, as taught to us by Holy Prophet SAW.

One example is Khawaja Ghalam Farid, when he says "Mera Ashiq bhi too, Meera Yar bhi too". In fact for such people center-point of all thier activities become God and at the same time they are true rold models as far as observance of Islam is concerned. Their condition draws attention to this verse of Quran," And of men there is he who would sell himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Compassionate to His servants" (2:208)

Re: # 12 You sir, might be playing word games, and I did enjoy your playfulness, but I am not just playing game with words. You pre-suppose too much in your axioms; then stretch too much your argument - in every possible direction.

(who the hell is talking about fairies and santa ?)

I am using words to create a metaphor to express a truth. That truth can be accessed by one with a heightened sense of poetic expression. Only if you would let go of rigidity of logical mind and your obsession with dogma.

(who the hell is talking about 'absolutism' here? and I don't know what you mean by 'absolute', maybe you would care to enlighten us)

As I said, you seem to have become obsessed with 'dogma' and 'organized religion', you too fight dogma with dogma. And should I add, it makes little difference to me if you keep fighting dogma with dogma or have peace within.

Regards to you too

Re: # 11

I am simply playing the same word games as you ... you have selected a certain collection of words to convey something .. whatever that is ... and I am using exactly those (yours not mine) to convey the a very different message

it concludes that nothing is absolute but relative ... and if there is 'no absolute truth', it strikes at the heart of religious dogma ... which does thrive on absolutism ... other than a dogma within the confines of an 'organised religion', you may believe in the tooth fairy or santa clause ... makes very little difference to me

Regards

Re: # 8 logic based on a false axiom will lead to false inference. There is no way to test your axiom. So there is no way to judge validity of your argument.

Your are sir, presuming what a god should be or should not be.

Interestingly, I am not even talking about God.

"... kuchh na samjhay khuda karay koi" - Ghalib

your car is far luckier than yourself .... it can be fixed

MM sahib,

Since quite unsurprisingly you're in the unsafe hands of the one and only Down-The-Underwearer, I must rush off to get my car fixed. Every now and then its fuel supply line attracts sufi-kachra sediments.

Sentiments express.

a God of ANY (let alone MANY) need is no God at all ... God HAS to be beyond all needs

... the NEEDY can't be the divine ... hence, ironically, by applying the above logic, you don't really believe in God

Well done!! .. you are a free man now quin sahib

Re: # 6
MM sahib,

"sufis and scholars like the one I mentioned were (and are) the ones who were (and are) the channel for Quran's light."

I've checked them out eons ago, any more so-called heavy-weights?

Those who went contrary to the prescribed Qur'anic teachings and wandered about as conjurers/bachelors are NOT my guiding light. They may be for you and the entire sufi-loving west, and that's fine with me; the final matter will not be settled on Chowq pages I assure you.

In order to repel the vicious attackers here, you need to give that sufi cloak away to (let me think now)....a sufi!

Regards.

Re: # 5 sufis and scholars like the one I mentioned were (and are) the ones who were (and are) the channel for Quran's light. Rest was (and is) an exercise in empire building - in its various guises.

Re: # 4
Thanks for the quick response.

"The literalist will never understand Mansour's Inal Haq. Nor Ibn Arabi's inclusiveness."

Perhaps a piece on Mansur the magician and Ibn Arabi's mumbo-jumbo will appear on these doomed pages sooner than expected.

Video killed the radio-star, sufism killed the once dynamic Islam.

Re: # 3 I was referring to the Board you referred to where 'Dubious poetic-licenses can get cancelled'.

Anyway, you won't get it. One thing however I must say. Letters or words cannot stand for the reality. How they can. They are symbols, portals, access points, images; and if you start worshiping them, they become your idols. That is what they become. Idols. Then all the humanity goes down the drain, because life is turned into slavery. That was the precise reason Prophet smashed the idols of Arabia.

And then the irony sets in. ... ....

If anyone thinks saying 'Khuda Hafiz' makes you less of a Muslim, then you are committing idolatry. If you start worshiping words, any words, you are committing idolatry. If you are substituting Word for Reality, you are committing idoltry.

The literalist will never understand Mansour's Inal Haq. Nor Ibn Arabi's inclusiveness.

Re: # 2
MM,

"The list of people, who are qualified to comment on Poetry, as per Board of Poetic License Issuing Authority, does not contain name 'tahir'. Still I will respond."

Thanks for the response. Such a bored board does not exist in reality (and what is reality?). You have not thus far even seen Tahir's poetic toe-nail (it is veiled). You may laugh here with me!

"What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".

What a thoery! This is not mathematics where anything can become anything else, even a big fat zero. You say 'Not much different'? It is entirely different!

Hadith Qudsi, however, are only REPORTS of what was supposedly said by God and which was overheard by God knows who!

Its settled then, you must be a sufi? Which 'silsila' may I ask? I've read a few of their text books and found that I needed to return to the safety of the Qur'an.

Spiritual acrobatics and turnabouts took many sufis straight into the arms of no less a personage than Iblees himself.

I wish you'd write a love poem or something without throwing a spanner in spiritual works?

Quite literally, literalism is good and real; everything needn't turn into everything else, or somethingness into un-somethingbess!

"Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps."

How so? Don't get bogged down by 'muttashabihaat'! Watch it!

Regards.

The list of people, who are qualified to comment on Poetry, as per Board of Poetic License Issuing Authority, does not contain name 'tahir'. Still I will respond.

What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".

Nothing has been turned into anything. (And everything is turned into everything). As I always say the key to understanding poetry, and sacred texts, and the beat of human heart, is to transcend literalism. And in fact, it is not really a matter of UNDER-standing. It is a matter of connecting. The words are only access point, gateways, routers. Even God's words, nothing more, nothing less.

Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps.

And then what is meaning of Hadith's Qudsi:
"I was a treasure unknown,
and I wished to be known
and therefore I created the creation
so I may be known"

Remember, no literalism.
Discern what treasures are hidden
In diamonds of thousand cuts.

Wishing best,
MM

M.M. sahib,

What do you mean by "I am not knowable even by me."?

And why has the One and True God been turned into 'god'?

Dubious poetic-licenses can get cancelled!