Fatima Jinnah: A Beacon Of Hope

I use only one ID Cheema bhai

@ DaniJani

There is a fine balance b/w these duties which mostly not kept in such cases because woman is not super-human and she also needs rest as24/7 is not the option

Re: # 9;dawa-i-dil
[[Moral Courage is that you should atleast use use your original ID for posting !]]

dawa ... do you use your own name to post here?? ... if yes, thanks for answering .... if no, does that mean you lack the above-mentioned 'moral courage' yourself??

Loved it. No really, amazing one and hopefully women will listen.

Danjani, here is some reality. Most pakistani women in New York City do not work. Almost 405 of pakistani kids in America grow up in poverty. do you know why? because of the thinking like that of dawa. religion and cultural trappings preclude women from working while their husbands work two jobs. this leaves a family with a rarely seen father and kids, especially girls, locked in a proverbial circle of ambitionless, role model less life. this leads to ghettos.

Thanks for the reply Dawa i dil

Firstly, I have used my original id so rest assured unlike other people I am not afraid of using my real id.

Secondly, I appreciate the references you gave me here. Now where in my article did I encouraged Muslim women to abandon the roles Allah had given them? As long as she is not neglecting her duties as a wife, mother and daughter, she can pretty much do anything. Now do you agree with that?

Re: # 7
dani...

Khjadija was not born as musla and her example should not be used as islamic example. Find examples from musla societies accross the world, specificaly musla majority countries.

Re: # 16

[[why was Zia the 'mard-e momin'?]]

because his name rhymed! .. "mard-e momin, mard-e haq ... zia-ul haq, zia-ul haq"

[[Also, what do you think the Taliban will do with the cult of Fatima Jinnah,]]

nothing ... despite what your friends tell you, they are a reactionary force and will die out sooner than you think ... in fact your friends know this too ... th objective of 'using' the taliban is not (even by them) to establish taliban rule, but to gain as much political leverage as possible

[[with no and how can people both admire Ms Jinnah and call for Taliban rule?]]

that you have to ask them :)

Thanks for that. Surely the official manufacturers of history gave some thought to this though? While you're in an explaining mood, why was Zia the 'mard-e momin'? Also, what do you think the Taliban will do with the cult of Fatima Jinnah, and how can people both admire Ms Jinnah and call for Taliban rule?

nb ... I don't know about India but most of Pakistani history is manufactured in retrospect ... applies to the 'mard-e momin' persona of MAJ ... father/mother of the nation concept and everything else for that matter

if you look at the history books from the 1950s and early 60s ... things were pretty relaxed ... 1965 war was the main turning point ... then 'Amir-ul momineen awwal' (ZAB) injected the concept of use of religious mythology for political objectives ... this idea was perfected by 'Amir-ul momineen saani' Zia ul haq ... and pictures of Jinnah in sherwani (not suit) became commonplace ... and part of the psyche too

I still remember a college teacher commenting on this 'mader-e millat' concept ... he said that a woman who chose never to get married and experience motherhood should never be labelled as a mother of anyone!

Zeena was furious with me once because I said if Jinnah was the Father of the Nation, his sister should be the Aunt of the Nation and not the mother. How can brother and sister be father and mother of anything? I just found it odd. What do Pakistanis feel about this?

Re: # 12

... chuckles!

Cheema sb,

'Cos she says so.

Regards

Re: # 10; majumdar
[[Dawa behen is a lady, a very fine one indeed, not a man.]]

how do you know this majumdar??

Danijani,

Its men like yourselves

Dawa behen is a lady, a very fine one indeed, not a man.

Regards

Well DaniJani aka Danya Ehsan

Moral Courage is that you should atleast use use your original ID for posting !

Anyways ,

Question:
To begin, I state that I embraced Islam about 15 years ago, part of what is so impressive to me is the true revolution to women and their rghts which Islam has made, alhumdo lillah. But regretfully, so many Muslims do not acknowledge nor apply these standards and I have seen many women taken advantage of due to it. So my question is rgarding "Womens Rights"...
men are obligated to certain maintanance of women, but women are not prohibited from certain things with her husbands permission. So how can a woman protect herself from being taken advantage of by her husband?
For instance, he wants her to work within his business, still take care of the children an even have more children, bringing the infant to work following the delivery as early as the first week out of the hospital. She is repsonsible for the grocery shopping, taking the older child to day care, working at his business, preparing meals, and keeping the house neat. He will assist periodically but not without stating that he has done so as if she should have done it herself.
Can she insist on staying home and being supported? Or must she obey her husband - since he is not asking her to do something haram? But she is tired of being tired and unable to convince him her place is in the home, or even be considerate of her needs and he is always unsatisfied by how she isn't performing to his level of satisfaction.
Sorry this is so lengthy, but it is a common problem among many sisters I have seen, taking the rights Allah gave us and not being taken advantage of.


Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.


Allaah has made men the protectors and maintainers of women for two reasons, what Allaah has given to men and what men earn. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means�

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

The fact that Allaah has given men more than women in terms of reasoning, thinking and physical strength is something concerning which there is no dispute. This is what Allaah has given to men. With regard to what men earn, this refers to the husband’s spending on his wife, which is something that is obligatory and is the basis for the man being the protector and maintainer of the wife.

It was narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear Allaah with regard to women for Allaah has entrusted them to you and intimacy with them has become permissible for you by the word of Allaah. Their rights over you are that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.�

Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This indicates that it is obligatory for the husband to spend on his wife and clothe her. This is established by scholarly consensus. Sharh Muslim, 8/184.

One of the reasons why it is obligatory for the husband to spend on the wife is that the wife is prevented from earning an income because of her duties towards her husband, children and house.

Al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The obligation of spending on one's wife and children.�

Then he narrated the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The best of charity is that which leaves one independent of means, and the upper hand is better than the lower hand, and start with those who are dependent upon you.�

Al-Bukhaari, 1426; Muslim, 1034.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

The reason why it is obligatory to spend on the wife is that she is prevented from earning because of her duties to fulfil the husband’s rights. There is scholarly consensus that this is obligatory.

Al-Fath, 9/625.

The husband has to fear Allaah his Lord, and take care of the wife and children that Allaah has entrusted to him. It is not permissible for him to force his wife to do that which she is unable to do. She does not have to work and spend on the house and on him; rather it is obligatory for him to spend on her even if she is rich.

The role that the woman plays in the home is very important, because she looks after the house and takes care of it, and she fulfils her husband’s rights by preparing the house for him, keeping it clean and tidy, making food, looking after the children, and many other things.

The woman does not have to work outside the house, especially if going out will expose her to mixing with non-mahram men and failing or falling short in her duties towards her house and children.

As mentioned above, it is obligatory for the husband to spend on her, according to scholarly consensus. He has to realize this and make his wife feel safe and protected in her house so that she can do that which Allaah has enjoined upon her.

See also the answer to question no. 5591.

And Allaah knows best.

/Fathima Jinnah was born and brought up in Mumbai...Can you find someone who grew up in typical Paki environment? ( there were 1000s of Fatheima Jinnahs in Mumbai and Calcutta in those days)...
and some eccomplishments of that lady....//


It doesn't matter where she was born. She is still revered and highly respected in Pakistan. She has intrinsic links to Pakistan.