Long March - A Long View Analysis

...... i really hope i am wrong and this does not become a sindh/punjab issue .... let's hope the kleptomaniac and gowalmandi pehalwan will both declare victory and stop this dungal .......

.... jiye sindh!
... punjabi fascism murdabad!

Re: # 193

urstruly mian,

.... unfortunately this will now deteriorate into a sindh vs. punjab thing with altaph bhai putting on his sindhi hat ..... the next act will be played out in karachi ............

Re: # 190

tahmed mian,

..... i was just quoting what rehman malik said in his interview today ..... but don't worry - now let me quote my main man, sheikh rashid: "if india comes here, we will destroy him!"

.... in any case, this dramabazi is gong to end in a few hours and the next act of these clowns will begin ..... we just need to find a good dictator

Re: # 183 SR

"Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid."

I absolutely agree with the statement. However, my proposal to avert that is that an independent judiciary and a sense of law and order can avert this eventuality. The other two Bushites propound a "kill-all" solution. I have no doubt that the corrupt, pro-western ruling elite will opt for the second option beause that is what they are being paid to do.

The thimgs have come to a point where there is no turning back.

Tahmed sahib:

Thanks for the compliment. In democracy there is a role for all of us (from casting a vote and onward). Are you really justified in pinning all problems of Pakistan on him? Like I had mentioned earlier, Pakistani Army will have a veto like role for a long time in any democratic set up in Pakistan. The U.N. may not be the perfect model of democracy, but then is there a perfect model of democracy?
I know you have singled out Musharraff from my comments, and have noted your viewpoint.

I am more interested however, in your comments on the rest of my post. That is where the beef is in my post.

anil sahib #188 when you think that half-brained tinpot musharraf with an exagerrated sense of his own importance is good for Pakistan, then i will seriously question how much you have learnt about democracy.

hamidm #186: - reduced to pointing fingers at the "faaren hand"?? no more cheers for ghoondas and jeers for the "unwashed masses"?? twisting and turning in the wind - life must be hard being a weatherlota!

This is no democracry. Hamidm sahib was right before the election. This should have been aborted and thus saved the nation of additional problems.

Re: # 168

Tahmed sahib:

"...anil sahib: You obviously have a lot to learn about democracy..."

I am a life long student and always ready to learn. If I am not wrong, I was the first one to say "learn to live with Taliban", "force is not going to deliver", "Pakistan can define its own democracy".

However, in the current situation I see that some in trying to push "destruct" button when this baby of demoracy is only one year old.

#186...Burma?

..... there is a foreign hand behind the lawyer's movement; i don't want to take names, but a country to our east is funding them ......

They say “paki politicians have learnt a lesson�…for them learning anything except to make money for themselves is highly unlikely. Pakis are emotional people. For people who are emotional it is impossible to be rational. Who are modern day thinkers in puristan? The ruling elite and their chamchaas, whether on the left or the right, want to get the overflowing USD’s in the fata regions. For the sake of humanity the west should avoid giving these crooks the dinero. No matter what hamid mian says on chowk the biggest crooks of them all are the boys of GHQ.

Re: # 183

SR mian,

......... stop scaring the heck out of me! ...... but you are right - all these politicians are cut from the same piece of cloth and if they are not careful our worst nightmares might come true .......... personally, i am advocating five decades of dictatorial rule where anyone mentioning the word 'democracy' or 'islam' is made to disappear ...... my only interest is that they should keep the islamabad club golf course open and fix the stinking open sewer in front of my taya ji's house in dhok piran faqiran ........

Where there is no justice, there can be no peace.

By justice I do not mean to toot the horn of the symbolic restoration of corrupt judges by an even more corrupt elitist politician, who is continuing to play the shameless role of a still more corrupt general ... No. I am talking about the concept of justice, as in (relative) fairness and the so-called "rule of law" ... both of which are simply non-existent in the Islamabad Federal Republic (a.k.a., Pakistan).

Be it the politician, the general, the PPP feudal, the PML industrialist, the Pir or whoever, they are ALL the SAME. No difference between ANY of them ... does not matter if they go through the farce called elections or simply sneak into office through the back door. They are still members of the very same club and their interests are INCOMPATIBLE with the interests of the populus at large.

This is where the so-called Taleban factor comes in. Jahil, misguided, ignorant, primitive or whatever else you might call them, their is one thing that we must recognise that (a) they are 'from the masses' and (b) they represent a 'protest rejection' of the status quo.

If the elitist establishment had not been as corrupt, incompetent, nepotistic, fascist and exploitative, the so-called Taleban (better use the term 'islamic militant' although it is also not accurate) would never have come into existence, and the claim T32 makes would be perfectly valid and applicable. (T32 says that the mullah does not get any vote, Romair says the same, and I agree totally.)

If there is a 'bloody revolution' -- which could very likely happen one day -- it will not come through a popular vote. Neither the Bolshviks of Petrograd nor the Ayatullah's of Qum came in through a popular vote. The people will accept the militants one day, not because they are Islamic fundamentalists, but because the people shall have been totally exhausted, tapped out, discouraged and dejected by the perpetual and repeated deceit and exploitation of the imperialist-feudal-colonial-aristocratic luch-bazi that passes for governance in our on-again off-again pseudo-democratic pseudo-dictatorial system of plutocratic kleptocracy.

A day will come when violent convulsion will punctuate routine life and spontaneous mobs will unexpectedly materialize out of thin air like summer thunderstorms. Those who will be unfortunate to get caught at the wrong time in the wrong place will pay the price. Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid.

So go ahead and masturbate all you can about the pros and cons of this versus that party or system or election or selection of whatever else the fuck you want to split hairs about, none of it matters. It is ALL bullshit. You guys are so far, far, far removed from the grass root reality that you have no inkling. I am also just as far away, if truth be told, but I have seen things that I had only heard of before. My new-found perspective comes from the past few months that I have spent witnessing first hand the real problem of life among the real people of Pakistan. I have not seen anything I didn't know existed and hadn't heard of. But knowing and hearing is one thing and actually being ankle deep in mud and much and going through the gali, mohallahs and kachi abadis, and nomadic jhuggi-jhompri settlements and the disease ridden squalor of villages and talking to young and old has literally opened my eyes.

I can tell you with certainty that ALL of this political talk is irrelevant bull shit. It's nonsense crap and it belongs only to an artificial thin 'epidermal' layer of Pakistani population. The remaining 99% have no stake in any of this rubbish.

...SR

There is overwhelming possiblity that the lawyers and civil society's struggle to establish rule of law will fail miserably. The reason is that that they are barking the wrong tree. The burai ki jaR in this whole debacle is the napak fouj; there is a strong possibility that GHQ might have hand in this mini civil war in order to divert attention from itself. Unless and until Pakistani nation realize that they must inflict a humiliating defeat to the haramkhor fouj and drag the bastards in the streets of Pakistan no revolution will ever be successful. Marg bar fouj - is the way to the revolution.

And yes the people, whom Shankar pointed out, are waiting in the ambush - they know very well that ghee seedhee ungli se nahin nikle ga.