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#277 Posted by Urstruly on March 16, 2009 10:18:23 pm
I think about 80% of bomb blasts in pakistan are not done by suicide bombers but through remote control means. But in either case it gives some political milage to those who control the microphone and run the propaganda machinery.
In support of this argument take the case of spate of bombings right after the Islamabad school girl masacre. All of those suicide attacks were done quite atrategically against the Musharaf regimes state machinery in a fashion that the whole system was brought down to its knees in a matter of 3 months. The police and paramilitary even refused to perform security duty and at anyminute there was a chance of bangladesh type mutiny. This is what resulted in the kciking out of musharaf by other memebers of mafia cartel in fouj.
The pir wadhai attack doesn't make any sense. Are taliabn trying to tell us "ok enough celebration, don'r forget about us, would you please come and kill us and our children again". It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
#276 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 5:37:10 pm
Imran Khan is emerging as a leader from this crisis, just as I had predicted. His first smart move was to boycott the farcial elections of 2007- I did the same by refusing to vote in a military conducted and rigged elections...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#275 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 5:36:00 pm
arjun writes "masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal"
That probably worked with the military at best, the military then pressured Zardari, however the NS was not swayed by the aid cut and by the military not because of any principles he has discovered but because his agenda became personal with Musharraf` which is always healthy when you want to damage the entrenched setup...
TNITC masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal"
That probably worked with the military at best, the military then pressured Zardari, however the NS was not swayed by the aid cut and by the military not because of any principles he has discovered but because his agenda became personal with Musharraf` which is always healthy when you want to damage the entrenched setup...
TNITC masadi
#274 Posted by shankar on March 16, 2009 5:16:17 pm
How come Imran Khan is not more popular than he should be?
PML-N,PML-Q,PPP,MQM are all uniformly reviled by you guys as corrupt, thieving sobs who dont give a crap about the country.
OK--what about Imran?
he's not feudal,he wasnt in the military, there are no charges of corruption, he has bought honor to Pakistan; not only as a cricketer, but the charities he's founded yada yada..
I saw some of his interviews. He is articulate, photogenic, makes his points well. Heck he sounds smarter than any politician I know from S.Asia.
I know, what I think about him means jack sh*t in the scheme of things....but what bad things are you guys seeing of him,that I'm not?
PML-N,PML-Q,PPP,MQM are all uniformly reviled by you guys as corrupt, thieving sobs who dont give a crap about the country.
OK--what about Imran?
he's not feudal,he wasnt in the military, there are no charges of corruption, he has bought honor to Pakistan; not only as a cricketer, but the charities he's founded yada yada..
I saw some of his interviews. He is articulate, photogenic, makes his points well. Heck he sounds smarter than any politician I know from S.Asia.
I know, what I think about him means jack sh*t in the scheme of things....but what bad things are you guys seeing of him,that I'm not?
#273 Posted by _ar_jun74 on March 16, 2009 4:10:24 pm
masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal
Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01pm EDT
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON, March 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Pakistan's president and opposition leader over the weekend U.S. aid could be at risk unless they defused a crisis over a top judge, U.S. officials said on Monday.
In a surprise move, Pakistan's government announced on Monday it would reinstate Iftikhar Chaudhry as chief justice, aiming to defuse a crisis and end protests by lawyers and activists that threatened to turn violent.
The officials said Clinton telephoned on Saturday both President Asif Ali Zardari and his rival, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who had backed the anti-government lawyers.
The officials said Clinton, who coordinated with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, had exerted strong pressure for a deal.
Clinton told reporters the decision to reinstate Chaudhry was a first step for much-needed reconciliation and political compromise in Pakistan.
She avoided answering when asked if she had linked continued U.S. aid to a deal.
The stability of nuclear-armed Pakistan has emerged as a key worry in Washington, which also needs its help to combat a Taliban insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan
Asked if the political turmoil was distracting Islamabad from taking on the militants, Clinton replied: "They understand what is at stake."
CONGRESSIONAL DOUBTS
U.S. officials said Clinton told both Zardari and Sharif congressional lawmakers might balk at sending Pakistan more aid while the crisis persisted.
"She warned them that congressional appropriations would be at risk," said one U.S. official, who asked not to be named.
A senior State Department official said "many" in Congress had expressed concern over what was happening in Pakistan.
"The secretary's friendly advice to the Pakistani leadership is that we have got to get this situation under control," the official said.
U.S. special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, also spoke several times over the weekend to Pakistani politicians.
"This was all done with great respect for Pakistan's sovereignty and sensibility but with great concern for the strategic and political implications of a protracted confrontation," a Holbrooke aide quoted him as saying.
The Obama administration is reviewing its strategy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan. Details, including possible future aid, are expected to emerge in the coming weeks.
In January, Zardari urged the United States to boost both military and non-military aid.
The United States has spent billions of dollars in recent years helping Pakistan fight al Qaeda and the Taliban in remote tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, released a report last month calling for $4 billion to $5 billion in immediate financial aid to help Pakistan avert financial meltdown.
Kerry welcomed the decision to reinstate the chief justice but said more must be done.
"Now, Pakistan's civilian leadership must avoid divisions and work together to further strengthen the nation's democratic institutions," the Massachusetts senator said in a statement.
State Department officials credited Pakistani leaders for their compromise and downplayed the effect of U.S. actions.
"These were decisions that had to be taken by the Pakistani leadership. And in the end, I believe they acted in the best interests of the Pakistani people, and that's what's important here," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood. (Editing by Alan Elsner)
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal
Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01pm EDT
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON, March 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Pakistan's president and opposition leader over the weekend U.S. aid could be at risk unless they defused a crisis over a top judge, U.S. officials said on Monday.
In a surprise move, Pakistan's government announced on Monday it would reinstate Iftikhar Chaudhry as chief justice, aiming to defuse a crisis and end protests by lawyers and activists that threatened to turn violent.
The officials said Clinton telephoned on Saturday both President Asif Ali Zardari and his rival, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who had backed the anti-government lawyers.
The officials said Clinton, who coordinated with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, had exerted strong pressure for a deal.
Clinton told reporters the decision to reinstate Chaudhry was a first step for much-needed reconciliation and political compromise in Pakistan.
She avoided answering when asked if she had linked continued U.S. aid to a deal.
The stability of nuclear-armed Pakistan has emerged as a key worry in Washington, which also needs its help to combat a Taliban insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan
Asked if the political turmoil was distracting Islamabad from taking on the militants, Clinton replied: "They understand what is at stake."
CONGRESSIONAL DOUBTS
U.S. officials said Clinton told both Zardari and Sharif congressional lawmakers might balk at sending Pakistan more aid while the crisis persisted.
"She warned them that congressional appropriations would be at risk," said one U.S. official, who asked not to be named.
A senior State Department official said "many" in Congress had expressed concern over what was happening in Pakistan.
"The secretary's friendly advice to the Pakistani leadership is that we have got to get this situation under control," the official said.
U.S. special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, also spoke several times over the weekend to Pakistani politicians.
"This was all done with great respect for Pakistan's sovereignty and sensibility but with great concern for the strategic and political implications of a protracted confrontation," a Holbrooke aide quoted him as saying.
The Obama administration is reviewing its strategy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan. Details, including possible future aid, are expected to emerge in the coming weeks.
In January, Zardari urged the United States to boost both military and non-military aid.
The United States has spent billions of dollars in recent years helping Pakistan fight al Qaeda and the Taliban in remote tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, released a report last month calling for $4 billion to $5 billion in immediate financial aid to help Pakistan avert financial meltdown.
Kerry welcomed the decision to reinstate the chief justice but said more must be done.
"Now, Pakistan's civilian leadership must avoid divisions and work together to further strengthen the nation's democratic institutions," the Massachusetts senator said in a statement.
State Department officials credited Pakistani leaders for their compromise and downplayed the effect of U.S. actions.
"These were decisions that had to be taken by the Pakistani leadership. And in the end, I believe they acted in the best interests of the Pakistani people, and that's what's important here," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood. (Editing by Alan Elsner)
#272 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 11:31:24 am
....and so are the Americans the uber ghoondas...take note hypocrite tahmed....
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20940
&am p;qu ot;Top US government functionaries tried their level best to prevent the PML-N Quaid Nawaz Sharif from coming out on the roads but they failed. US President’s Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke spoke to Nawaz Sharif twice last week and offered his services for mediation with Asif Ali Zardari but the PML-N Quaid never encouraged him.
Nawaz Shrif told this scribe that he did not want the Army and the US to interfere in the political affairs of the country and that was why he ignored the offer of the American envoy, but in a polite and friendly way.
Nawaz Sharif is confident that March 16 will change the history of Pakistan not through foreign forces and the Army but by the peopleís power"
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20940
&am p;qu ot;Top US government functionaries tried their level best to prevent the PML-N Quaid Nawaz Sharif from coming out on the roads but they failed. US President’s Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke spoke to Nawaz Sharif twice last week and offered his services for mediation with Asif Ali Zardari but the PML-N Quaid never encouraged him.
Nawaz Shrif told this scribe that he did not want the Army and the US to interfere in the political affairs of the country and that was why he ignored the offer of the American envoy, but in a polite and friendly way.
Nawaz Sharif is confident that March 16 will change the history of Pakistan not through foreign forces and the Army but by the peopleís power"
#271 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2009 8:53:46 am
#269 agreed. the scoundrels and lawbreakers and ghoondas in pakistan had a huge stake in wrecking the judicial system of Pakistan. But, thanks to the Pakistani people, the ghoondas are now on the run.
#270 Posted by anil on March 16, 2009 8:44:06 am
#239
Hamidm sahib:
You can have your Viceroy. India cannot have it, until it has a man who can charm and sweep Viceroy's wife off the floor, and Pakistan's leadership is so ugly that Arjun looks more handsome.
Another factor against the above happening, is that current generation of Indians are busy enjoying Bollywood chics and boys, cricket and their IT and wealth. If you do not believe me, just look at the facts more than half of the elected members of Parliament are over 60 years old, and a good quarter are 70 to 81 years.
So in short you will have no competition, the Viceroy is all yours. A good lesson to read and follow would be out of Nehru's life with Edwina. In case Pakistan goes that route.
Hamidm sahib:
You can have your Viceroy. India cannot have it, until it has a man who can charm and sweep Viceroy's wife off the floor, and Pakistan's leadership is so ugly that Arjun looks more handsome.
Another factor against the above happening, is that current generation of Indians are busy enjoying Bollywood chics and boys, cricket and their IT and wealth. If you do not believe me, just look at the facts more than half of the elected members of Parliament are over 60 years old, and a good quarter are 70 to 81 years.
So in short you will have no competition, the Viceroy is all yours. A good lesson to read and follow would be out of Nehru's life with Edwina. In case Pakistan goes that route.
#269 Posted by dpaiac9 on March 16, 2009 8:25:09 am
I hope CJ will take MQM to task for their violent behavior. Not just they burned the lawyers alive last year, they kept the nation in tumoil ever since the establishment of Pakistan. I hope they pay for their impusive behavior dearly.
#268 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2009 6:37:43 am
..... cowasjee might be a senile old man, but unlike our own tahmed he gets it right sometimes :
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/paki stan/who-can-tolerate-an-independent-judiciary-hs
#267 Posted by laddu on March 16, 2009 6:31:07 am
It is increasingly becoming apparent that Punjab-centeric forces like PML-N, Pakistan Tahrik-i-Insaf, a powerful section in PPP from Punjab, and the Punjab-heavy military and their religious allies like JI are succeeding to oust Zardari from power-even from leadership of PPP.
It is clear that only Punjus are celebrating .........
#266 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2009 6:15:09 am
SR mian,
.... i apologize to the honorable working ladies of heera mandi for comparing them to our politicians ..... in the past i have always called them the only - repeat, only - honorable people in pakistan ........ i also apologize to their agents, pimps and dalals for comparing them to our generals .......
........ today, i am formally launching the movement for the establishment of a real dictatorship in pakistan ... i would appreciate your support in this effort to save the unwashed masses from the washed civil society ..........
aamriyat zindabad!
democracy murdabad!
#264 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:48 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
#263 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:46 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
#262 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:46 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
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