Long March - A Long View Analysis
Beena Sarwar March 12, 2009
#309 Posted by anil on March 18, 2009 12:47:54 pm
Re: # 307
Shankar:
The life he led in the West comes with a lot of baggage. I once watched on YouTube (someone had posted) a talk show in which Imran was present, a guy from MQM and some other person. Most of the time spent was on his illegitimate daughter and some article of the constitution.
His inability to project his wife as bahu of unwashed masses (thanks Hamidm sahib), as oppose to Sonia Gandhi, indicates that he has problem in connecting with the rural masses. Hence his poor performance in election.
These are a couple that come to my mind.
Shankar:
The life he led in the West comes with a lot of baggage. I once watched on YouTube (someone had posted) a talk show in which Imran was present, a guy from MQM and some other person. Most of the time spent was on his illegitimate daughter and some article of the constitution.
His inability to project his wife as bahu of unwashed masses (thanks Hamidm sahib), as oppose to Sonia Gandhi, indicates that he has problem in connecting with the rural masses. Hence his poor performance in election.
These are a couple that come to my mind.
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#308 Posted by harish_hyd on March 18, 2009 3:25:40 am
#307 by shankar
In the interview with BBC, he does talk about possibility of foreign hand, but places primary responsibility on Pakistan's failure to provide security.
I think his views on WOT in Afghanistan make a lot of sense, even though it goes against Washington's mindset of thinking.
Shankar bhai, it is obvious that the first and foremost candidate to cop the blame must be the security forces for their glaring inability to prevent such an audacious attack. Having said that, it was morally incumbent upon him to have apologized for his statement earlier that Pakis are so Cricket-mad that no one would attack Cricketers. By blaming everyone under the sun, it appeared that IK was more keen on diverting attention from his Polyanna-ish views than anything else.
As for the WOT in Afghanistan, I believe it is one of the few things that the US got right, even though how they went about it is open to debate. IK is merely echoing what his constituency is keen to hear.
In the interview with BBC, he does talk about possibility of foreign hand, but places primary responsibility on Pakistan's failure to provide security.
I think his views on WOT in Afghanistan make a lot of sense, even though it goes against Washington's mindset of thinking.
Shankar bhai, it is obvious that the first and foremost candidate to cop the blame must be the security forces for their glaring inability to prevent such an audacious attack. Having said that, it was morally incumbent upon him to have apologized for his statement earlier that Pakis are so Cricket-mad that no one would attack Cricketers. By blaming everyone under the sun, it appeared that IK was more keen on diverting attention from his Polyanna-ish views than anything else.
As for the WOT in Afghanistan, I believe it is one of the few things that the US got right, even though how they went about it is open to debate. IK is merely echoing what his constituency is keen to hear.
#307 Posted by shankar on March 18, 2009 2:58:38 am
anil,
""Imran has a lot of baggage that he cannot nicely pack and dump, certainly not in Pakistan.""
What baggage?
harish,
Every politician in India & Pakistan blames a "foreign hand" in a terrorist attack. In the interview with BBC, he does talk about possibility of foreign hand, but places primary responsibility on Pakistan's failure to provide security.
I think his views on WOT in Afghanistan make a lot of sense, even though it goes against Washington's mindset of thinking.
""Imran has a lot of baggage that he cannot nicely pack and dump, certainly not in Pakistan.""
What baggage?
harish,
Every politician in India & Pakistan blames a "foreign hand" in a terrorist attack. In the interview with BBC, he does talk about possibility of foreign hand, but places primary responsibility on Pakistan's failure to provide security.
I think his views on WOT in Afghanistan make a lot of sense, even though it goes against Washington's mindset of thinking.
#306 Posted by harish_hyd on March 18, 2009 1:42:49 am
#304 by majumdar
Looks like you have joined the Govt of India. All your recent posts are coming in triplicates.
I'm sure you know that Ajit joke where Peter comes running and informs him that he's had triplets and would like him (Ajit) to give them a name. The man asks Peter with a straight face to name them Kate, Duplikate and Triplikate :-)
PS: Seriously, I have no idea why every interact is being posted thrice.
Looks like you have joined the Govt of India. All your recent posts are coming in triplicates.
I'm sure you know that Ajit joke where Peter comes running and informs him that he's had triplets and would like him (Ajit) to give them a name. The man asks Peter with a straight face to name them Kate, Duplikate and Triplikate :-)
PS: Seriously, I have no idea why every interact is being posted thrice.
#305 Posted by banjara286 on March 18, 2009 12:04:14 am
Re: # 294
pti will rise, but slowly, unless imran gets some good second tier people.......
IK can definitely get support from the people in Karachi if he teams up with some prominent and princiopled people like Aitezaz Ahsan, Justice Wajihuddin and properly organize PTI party. but these people are not islamist enough for his liking. part of being successful polititian is to make forsighted compromises to build strong team. IK lacks that.
pti will rise, but slowly, unless imran gets some good second tier people.......
IK can definitely get support from the people in Karachi if he teams up with some prominent and princiopled people like Aitezaz Ahsan, Justice Wajihuddin and properly organize PTI party. but these people are not islamist enough for his liking. part of being successful polititian is to make forsighted compromises to build strong team. IK lacks that.
#304 Posted by majumdar on March 17, 2009 10:46:11 pm
Harishbhai,
Looks like you have joined the Govt of India. All your recent posts are coming in triplicates.
Regards
Looks like you have joined the Govt of India. All your recent posts are coming in triplicates.
Regards
#303 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 10:34:06 pm
#294 by bulleya
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
#302 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 10:34:04 pm
#294 by bulleya
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
#301 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 10:34:03 pm
#294 by bulleya
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
There goes Captain Clueless again! If Imran Khan was so honest and principled, the man would have accepted his mistake when he wrongly predicted that no Paki would attack Cricketers. Instead, the man offered every possible convoluted explanation as to who could have done it. Foreign hand, Army, government, he blamed everyone. But not once did he have the decency to admit that he had been wrong.
If this is the most honest specimen available in Pakistan, one shudders to think how the dishonest specimen would be like.
#300 Posted by bulleya on March 17, 2009 8:02:40 pm
hamidm mian #: "........ can you name one seat in nwfp that imran khan can win? ..... for your information mianwali is in the punjab, not in nwfp as you seem to think ..... fool!........ imran khan's best chance is in urban punjab - places like lahore, islamabad and faisalabad ....."
....i really got tired of debating politics with you, after you claimed that bush was the best thing to have ever happened to usa......do keep in mind that you were jumping up and down when he was in power.....i kept telling you he would be a disaster.....
.....then you claimed that the, "droopy eyed one" would never be restored......
...as i have been telling you, you need to stick to comedy....chowk was a much more fun (and sane) place when you were the resident comedian.....
.....i have lived in mianwali for a year and half.....i know its ins and outs.....what to talk of its location.....
as for imran khan.....his best bet is nwfp.....starting from tribal punjab, extending towards fata.....this is where he is the most popular....he is devoutly anti-gwot etc......in the last election, surveys indicated his party to be second, in nwfp.....so he would have won quite a few provincial seats......he claims this himself.......
can he win in urban punjab.....i doubt it.....pml-n is very popular......imran has been unable to even win a seat in the locality in lahore where he built a cancer hospital......all his candidates lose by large margins.....
though, in alliance with pml-n, he could win a few seats in urban punjab......however, rural/tribal punjab extending into nwfp is where his real base happens to be....he, personally, competes from lahore, mianwali and swat etc.....he loses in lahore, wins huge in mianwali, and i think will start winning in swat etc.....
....i really got tired of debating politics with you, after you claimed that bush was the best thing to have ever happened to usa......do keep in mind that you were jumping up and down when he was in power.....i kept telling you he would be a disaster.....
.....then you claimed that the, "droopy eyed one" would never be restored......
...as i have been telling you, you need to stick to comedy....chowk was a much more fun (and sane) place when you were the resident comedian.....
.....i have lived in mianwali for a year and half.....i know its ins and outs.....what to talk of its location.....
as for imran khan.....his best bet is nwfp.....starting from tribal punjab, extending towards fata.....this is where he is the most popular....he is devoutly anti-gwot etc......in the last election, surveys indicated his party to be second, in nwfp.....so he would have won quite a few provincial seats......he claims this himself.......
can he win in urban punjab.....i doubt it.....pml-n is very popular......imran has been unable to even win a seat in the locality in lahore where he built a cancer hospital......all his candidates lose by large margins.....
though, in alliance with pml-n, he could win a few seats in urban punjab......however, rural/tribal punjab extending into nwfp is where his real base happens to be....he, personally, competes from lahore, mianwali and swat etc.....he loses in lahore, wins huge in mianwali, and i think will start winning in swat etc.....
#299 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2009 12:23:08 pm
Re: # 297
shankar mian,
if it is any consolation, "honest, principled politicians" have a hard time in new jersey, illinois and new york as well ...........
shankar mian,
if it is any consolation, "honest, principled politicians" have a hard time in new jersey, illinois and new york as well ...........
#298 Posted by anil on March 17, 2009 11:20:15 am
Re: # 294
Romair:
Reading your and Hamidm’s posts, sounds like that Pakistani election politics has not learned how to provide alternative to rural population.
You say the politics would make transition to urban politics.
You may be ignoring that elections can only be won in rural constituency. Simple folksy message and sloganeering are needed, not Oxford credentials or Cricket captainship.
Rural folks in general are conservative and disdain city slickers, Imran has a lot of baggage that he cannot nicely pack and dump, certainly not in Pakistan. Then he gets into dramebaazi, like he was in the news that MQM leader in London would be arrested any minute, stripped and punished. This tells me that he is not a street fighter and cannot pick the right fight that he can win.
He did a great job for Pakistani cricket, and cancer hospital. This is his strength, and I am afraid for such strength politics is not the theater to play.
There is a case study in Mayawati’s election. She had simple message – your bahenji (sister), and simple sloganeering – something about Ganesha and Hanuman being "our gods" too, and not just theirs.
The latter took care of BJP, the first took care of Sonia Gandhi (tumhari bahu). This election she is going all alone, and is staking a claim to be the next PM of India.
Imran could not even wrap Jemima as the bahu of the masses. Something Rajiv Gandhi was able to do. He is too not a politician. He should concentrate on exposing and try bringing “honesty� in politics and expose politicians. If he does that on TV, he would have a huge audience, including rural. May be in ten years he might be ready, or by then he might decide that he is better off with his popularity and connection with people, which politicians would be scared. Rush Limbaugh somehow comes to mind as a role model for Imran Khan. I know Rush is despised by liberals, but he has following to make the difference.
Romair:
Reading your and Hamidm’s posts, sounds like that Pakistani election politics has not learned how to provide alternative to rural population.
You say the politics would make transition to urban politics.
You may be ignoring that elections can only be won in rural constituency. Simple folksy message and sloganeering are needed, not Oxford credentials or Cricket captainship.
Rural folks in general are conservative and disdain city slickers, Imran has a lot of baggage that he cannot nicely pack and dump, certainly not in Pakistan. Then he gets into dramebaazi, like he was in the news that MQM leader in London would be arrested any minute, stripped and punished. This tells me that he is not a street fighter and cannot pick the right fight that he can win.
He did a great job for Pakistani cricket, and cancer hospital. This is his strength, and I am afraid for such strength politics is not the theater to play.
There is a case study in Mayawati’s election. She had simple message – your bahenji (sister), and simple sloganeering – something about Ganesha and Hanuman being "our gods" too, and not just theirs.
The latter took care of BJP, the first took care of Sonia Gandhi (tumhari bahu). This election she is going all alone, and is staking a claim to be the next PM of India.
Imran could not even wrap Jemima as the bahu of the masses. Something Rajiv Gandhi was able to do. He is too not a politician. He should concentrate on exposing and try bringing “honesty� in politics and expose politicians. If he does that on TV, he would have a huge audience, including rural. May be in ten years he might be ready, or by then he might decide that he is better off with his popularity and connection with people, which politicians would be scared. Rush Limbaugh somehow comes to mind as a role model for Imran Khan. I know Rush is despised by liberals, but he has following to make the difference.
#297 Posted by shankar on March 17, 2009 10:03:27 am
hamid,romair,
thanks for the input. It is unfortunate that honest, principled politicians have a hard time succeeding in our part of the world.
thanks for the input. It is unfortunate that honest, principled politicians have a hard time succeeding in our part of the world.
#296 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2009 9:17:35 am
bulleya can even tell you how many votes every party will get in the next elections. he also knows what the Dow Jones Index will be 3 months from now. he learnt all this because he passed the rigorous tests for superior intellect, brilliant geo-political strategy, the presence of the nostordamus-gene in the DNA required to gain entrance to the Howarth Academy for Wizards, Kakul.
#295 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2009 8:54:40 am
Re: # 294
bewakoof bulleya,
... you areally are clueless: "......i think in the next election, pml-n, pti, ji will participate in an alliance.....pml-n will sweep punjab, and imran and jamaat will win, jointly in nwfp......mqm will join them, as it always joins the winning party......
........ can you name one seat in nwfp that imran khan can win? ..... for your information mianwali is in the punjab, not in nwfp as you seem to think ..... fool!
.... imran khan's best chance is in urban punjab - places like lahore, islamabad and faisalabad ..... i can personally deliver him at at least fifty votes from my immediate family ......... he just doesn't have what it takes to be a politician in the rough and tumble world of pakistani politics - he is like a janitor aspiring to be the ceo of a fortune 500 company after watching an hour of cnbc ..........
bewakoof bulleya,
... you areally are clueless: "......i think in the next election, pml-n, pti, ji will participate in an alliance.....pml-n will sweep punjab, and imran and jamaat will win, jointly in nwfp......mqm will join them, as it always joins the winning party......
........ can you name one seat in nwfp that imran khan can win? ..... for your information mianwali is in the punjab, not in nwfp as you seem to think ..... fool!
.... imran khan's best chance is in urban punjab - places like lahore, islamabad and faisalabad ..... i can personally deliver him at at least fifty votes from my immediate family ......... he just doesn't have what it takes to be a politician in the rough and tumble world of pakistani politics - he is like a janitor aspiring to be the ceo of a fortune 500 company after watching an hour of cnbc ..........
#294 Posted by bulleya on March 17, 2009 8:16:49 am
shankar #: "OK--what about Imran?....he's not feudal,he wasnt in the military, there are no charges of corruption, he has bought honor to Pakistan; not only as a cricketer, but the charities he's founded yada yada.."
...good question....following are the answers:
uptil now, pakistani politics was based on two principles...number one, it was dominated by feudals and pirs....number two it was dominated by crooks.....one had to be one or the other, prefarably both, to win....
now things are changing.....ppp is the last bastion of the feudal and the pir....and the recent urban movement has started the end of this......if ppp doesn't evolve into an urban party, it is out......
......will the second element end.....maybe after this judicial revolution......
.....imran khan if far too honest, principled and inflexible to succeed in this system......he was offered the pm'ship by musharraf.....he was offered a large number of seats, by nawaz sharif.....etc.......he refused.......
.......in a game dominated by crooks, one can only make alliances with crooks......and he refuses to do so.....
......secondly, i am quite disappointed by the people he has as his second tier......they are nobodies......they couldn't get elected dogcatcher......no charisma.....no political acumen......they are barely ever on tv......no one knows who they are......
.....people say he is too inflexible, and people leave his party......
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
he, himself, wins by record votes in his rural seat of mianwali......the surveys showed that his party was to be second in nwfp, if it hadn't boycotted.....
......i think in the next election, pml-n, pti, ji will participate in an alliance.....pml-n will sweep punjab, and imran and jamaat will win, jointly in nwfp......mqm will join them, as it always joins the winning party......
if the above happens, then imran's party will, finally get some seats.......and most of all, pakistan's politics will have, finally, shifted to the urbanites......
ppp, in my opinion, is on its last legs, if it doesn't massively reform.......pti will rise, but slowly, unless imran gets some good second tier people.......
...good question....following are the answers:
uptil now, pakistani politics was based on two principles...number one, it was dominated by feudals and pirs....number two it was dominated by crooks.....one had to be one or the other, prefarably both, to win....
now things are changing.....ppp is the last bastion of the feudal and the pir....and the recent urban movement has started the end of this......if ppp doesn't evolve into an urban party, it is out......
......will the second element end.....maybe after this judicial revolution......
.....imran khan if far too honest, principled and inflexible to succeed in this system......he was offered the pm'ship by musharraf.....he was offered a large number of seats, by nawaz sharif.....etc.......he refused.......
.......in a game dominated by crooks, one can only make alliances with crooks......and he refuses to do so.....
......secondly, i am quite disappointed by the people he has as his second tier......they are nobodies......they couldn't get elected dogcatcher......no charisma.....no political acumen......they are barely ever on tv......no one knows who they are......
.....people say he is too inflexible, and people leave his party......
......having said that, the guy is the most charismatic personality in south asia.....if not one of the most in the world.....honest to the core.....and now, personally, a polished politician......he is the moral conscious of pakistan......
he, himself, wins by record votes in his rural seat of mianwali......the surveys showed that his party was to be second in nwfp, if it hadn't boycotted.....
......i think in the next election, pml-n, pti, ji will participate in an alliance.....pml-n will sweep punjab, and imran and jamaat will win, jointly in nwfp......mqm will join them, as it always joins the winning party......
if the above happens, then imran's party will, finally get some seats.......and most of all, pakistan's politics will have, finally, shifted to the urbanites......
ppp, in my opinion, is on its last legs, if it doesn't massively reform.......pti will rise, but slowly, unless imran gets some good second tier people.......
#293 Posted by rf786 on March 17, 2009 8:07:11 am
Re: # 290
hamidm2
Maulana Bhashani was very much the consummate trouble maker but a true politician with real party workers and practiced what he preached. What i do not understand why was he labelled Maulana when in fact he was a communist?
hamidm2
Maulana Bhashani was very much the consummate trouble maker but a true politician with real party workers and practiced what he preached. What i do not understand why was he labelled Maulana when in fact he was a communist?
#292 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2009 7:52:43 am
hamidm #290 how many hospitals and universities did asghar khan, nasrullah, and bhashani build and maintain??? how well did they know about anything outside their local circles in pakistan?? there were merely drawing room politicos, whereas imran khan has been on the front lines getting tear gassed.
So, get a D for this answer.
So, get a D for this answer.
#291 Posted by philosopher on March 17, 2009 7:09:28 am
Re: # 290 hamid
Even hamid has his moments of sanity.Life is mysterious.
Even hamid has his moments of sanity.Life is mysterious.
#290 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2009 6:12:03 am
Re: # 274
shankar mian,
..... a lot of people wanted to vote for imran khan but he didn't run in the last election .... if he had, who knows, he might have been able to win a few more seats and his party could have become a real political party ....... it takes more than good looks and articulate speech to be successful as a politician - you have to be able to mobilize people at the grass root level and you cannot do that alone .........
........ imran khan is a good man in the tradition of asghar khan, maulana bhashani and nawabzada nasrullah ...... he is a good protester (read whiner), but does not have the ability to organize a tea party for masadi's dolls ... but there are still a lot of people who will vote for him if he can get his shinola together .........
shankar mian,
..... a lot of people wanted to vote for imran khan but he didn't run in the last election .... if he had, who knows, he might have been able to win a few more seats and his party could have become a real political party ....... it takes more than good looks and articulate speech to be successful as a politician - you have to be able to mobilize people at the grass root level and you cannot do that alone .........
........ imran khan is a good man in the tradition of asghar khan, maulana bhashani and nawabzada nasrullah ...... he is a good protester (read whiner), but does not have the ability to organize a tea party for masadi's dolls ... but there are still a lot of people who will vote for him if he can get his shinola together .........
#289 Posted by nkg on March 17, 2009 2:53:18 am
Re: # 266
hamidm2...
"aamriyat zindabad!
democracy murdabad!..."
yeh, that is the solution....no NS,no Mr. Bhutto, no CJ...only Shariat and KoRun...
Pakistan should be made 14th emirate of Saudi Arabia....
OK...
hamidm2...
"aamriyat zindabad!
democracy murdabad!..."
yeh, that is the solution....no NS,no Mr. Bhutto, no CJ...only Shariat and KoRun...
Pakistan should be made 14th emirate of Saudi Arabia....
OK...
#288 Posted by jayp on March 17, 2009 2:37:44 am
Re: # 286
nkg.
Tragedy of pakistan.
Many in pakistan are celebrating the recently events as a victory for rule of law.
What has really happened is that Mushy sacked anti- mushy judges. Nawaz wanted them back so that he can use the judges as his rabid dogs to attack mushy. In the mean time Zardari has packed the courts with pro zardari judges.
The events in pakiland only proves that there is no law in pakistan, even the judges are simply political, they simply favor their men, no concept of law for them.
What has happened recently is a great tragedy for pakistan, and it proves beyond doubt that there is no hope for democrazy in pakiland.
nkg.
Tragedy of pakistan.
Many in pakistan are celebrating the recently events as a victory for rule of law.
What has really happened is that Mushy sacked anti- mushy judges. Nawaz wanted them back so that he can use the judges as his rabid dogs to attack mushy. In the mean time Zardari has packed the courts with pro zardari judges.
The events in pakiland only proves that there is no law in pakistan, even the judges are simply political, they simply favor their men, no concept of law for them.
What has happened recently is a great tragedy for pakistan, and it proves beyond doubt that there is no hope for democrazy in pakiland.
#287 Posted by nkg on March 17, 2009 2:36:25 am
Re: # 282
haris...
"Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility...."
hey, some of the Pakis claims the Talibs/Islamists are creation of India/Israel etc....in that sence these jihadi killings are killing by indians as proxy...
haris...
"Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility...."
hey, some of the Pakis claims the Talibs/Islamists are creation of India/Israel etc....in that sence these jihadi killings are killing by indians as proxy...
#286 Posted by nkg on March 17, 2009 2:22:42 am
Re: # 280
majumder...
I think Paki muslas are more stupid than average Indians....Now, what the hell Pakistan is going to gain from re-instating the old CJ?...Isn't that, the law ministry is supposed to apporach judical commission to seek a panel of senior judges and the minister is supposed to pick the right candidate and the president has to endorse the appointment......honestly, NS is trying to milk the current turmoil in Pakistan.......
majumder...
I think Paki muslas are more stupid than average Indians....Now, what the hell Pakistan is going to gain from re-instating the old CJ?...Isn't that, the law ministry is supposed to apporach judical commission to seek a panel of senior judges and the minister is supposed to pick the right candidate and the president has to endorse the appointment......honestly, NS is trying to milk the current turmoil in Pakistan.......
#285 Posted by jayp on March 17, 2009 1:22:10 am
Police arrest two alleged distributors of Killer Kuppi
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
By Salis bin Perwaiz
Karachi
Two bootleggers, allegedly involved in the sale of the poisonous Kuppi (homemade liquor) that claimed the lives of 28 people last week, have been arrested by police. The arrests follow the suspension of two SHOs, who have also been demoted for failing to control the sale of poisonous homemade liquor in their respective jurisdictions.
//////contribution of kerala ////////////////
Kuppi, the local name for bootleg in pakiland means, "Bottle" in malayalam, the kerala language. Good to know that keralites have helped to pake pakis happy by letting them forget the blood bath taking place around them.
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
By Salis bin Perwaiz
Karachi
Two bootleggers, allegedly involved in the sale of the poisonous Kuppi (homemade liquor) that claimed the lives of 28 people last week, have been arrested by police. The arrests follow the suspension of two SHOs, who have also been demoted for failing to control the sale of poisonous homemade liquor in their respective jurisdictions.
//////contribution of kerala ////////////////
Kuppi, the local name for bootleg in pakiland means, "Bottle" in malayalam, the kerala language. Good to know that keralites have helped to pake pakis happy by letting them forget the blood bath taking place around them.
#284 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 12:21:36 am
#277 by Urstruly
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
#283 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 12:21:35 am
#277 by Urstruly
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
#282 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 12:21:35 am
#277 by Urstruly
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
Even if that is indeed the case, the number of bombings this trio has managed is less than the number of bombings for which your Islamist chums have claimed responsibility.
#281 Posted by harish_hyd on March 17, 2009 12:18:38 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Less than 24 hours since Captain Clueless made this prediction, there's been a bomb blast in Rawalpindi in which at least 20 Pakis have been killed.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Less than 24 hours since Captain Clueless made this prediction, there's been a bomb blast in Rawalpindi in which at least 20 Pakis have been killed.
#280 Posted by majumdar on March 17, 2009 12:04:54 am
Masadi sb,
Imran Khan is emerging as a leader from this crisis
IK was a clown and will always remain one. The real hero, apart from the awaam, politically speaking is Nawaz Sharif.
Regards
Imran Khan is emerging as a leader from this crisis
IK was a clown and will always remain one. The real hero, apart from the awaam, politically speaking is Nawaz Sharif.
Regards
#279 Posted by banjara286 on March 16, 2009 11:22:18 pm
Re: # 277 urstruly
speculation is the bomber targetted a location where the lawyers rally was going to pass through. off course his dumb handler forgot to tell him no to blow himself up if there was no rally. and off course himself was even more dumb not to do it and kill innocent people.
speculation is the bomber targetted a location where the lawyers rally was going to pass through. off course his dumb handler forgot to tell him no to blow himself up if there was no rally. and off course himself was even more dumb not to do it and kill innocent people.
#278 Posted by majumdar on March 16, 2009 11:21:54 pm
Truly mian,
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
You missed out the Yahood and the Mirzaee in the nefarious mix.
Regards
It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
You missed out the Yahood and the Mirzaee in the nefarious mix.
Regards
#277 Posted by Urstruly on March 16, 2009 10:18:23 pm
I think about 80% of bomb blasts in pakistan are not done by suicide bombers but through remote control means. But in either case it gives some political milage to those who control the microphone and run the propaganda machinery.
In support of this argument take the case of spate of bombings right after the Islamabad school girl masacre. All of those suicide attacks were done quite atrategically against the Musharaf regimes state machinery in a fashion that the whole system was brought down to its knees in a matter of 3 months. The police and paramilitary even refused to perform security duty and at anyminute there was a chance of bangladesh type mutiny. This is what resulted in the kciking out of musharaf by other memebers of mafia cartel in fouj.
The pir wadhai attack doesn't make any sense. Are taliabn trying to tell us "ok enough celebration, don'r forget about us, would you please come and kill us and our children again". It only means that CIA, NATO, and hindus are also involved in bomb blasts in Pakistan as part of their clandestine warfare and propaganda.
#276 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 5:37:10 pm
Imran Khan is emerging as a leader from this crisis, just as I had predicted. His first smart move was to boycott the farcial elections of 2007- I did the same by refusing to vote in a military conducted and rigged elections...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#275 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 5:36:00 pm
arjun writes "masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal"
That probably worked with the military at best, the military then pressured Zardari, however the NS was not swayed by the aid cut and by the military not because of any principles he has discovered but because his agenda became personal with Musharraf` which is always healthy when you want to damage the entrenched setup...
TNITC masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal"
That probably worked with the military at best, the military then pressured Zardari, however the NS was not swayed by the aid cut and by the military not because of any principles he has discovered but because his agenda became personal with Musharraf` which is always healthy when you want to damage the entrenched setup...
TNITC masadi
#274 Posted by shankar on March 16, 2009 5:16:17 pm
How come Imran Khan is not more popular than he should be?
PML-N,PML-Q,PPP,MQM are all uniformly reviled by you guys as corrupt, thieving sobs who dont give a crap about the country.
OK--what about Imran?
he's not feudal,he wasnt in the military, there are no charges of corruption, he has bought honor to Pakistan; not only as a cricketer, but the charities he's founded yada yada..
I saw some of his interviews. He is articulate, photogenic, makes his points well. Heck he sounds smarter than any politician I know from S.Asia.
I know, what I think about him means jack sh*t in the scheme of things....but what bad things are you guys seeing of him,that I'm not?
PML-N,PML-Q,PPP,MQM are all uniformly reviled by you guys as corrupt, thieving sobs who dont give a crap about the country.
OK--what about Imran?
he's not feudal,he wasnt in the military, there are no charges of corruption, he has bought honor to Pakistan; not only as a cricketer, but the charities he's founded yada yada..
I saw some of his interviews. He is articulate, photogenic, makes his points well. Heck he sounds smarter than any politician I know from S.Asia.
I know, what I think about him means jack sh*t in the scheme of things....but what bad things are you guys seeing of him,that I'm not?
#273 Posted by _ar_jun74 on March 16, 2009 4:10:24 pm
masadi
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal
Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01pm EDT
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON, March 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Pakistan's president and opposition leader over the weekend U.S. aid could be at risk unless they defused a crisis over a top judge, U.S. officials said on Monday.
In a surprise move, Pakistan's government announced on Monday it would reinstate Iftikhar Chaudhry as chief justice, aiming to defuse a crisis and end protests by lawyers and activists that threatened to turn violent.
The officials said Clinton telephoned on Saturday both President Asif Ali Zardari and his rival, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who had backed the anti-government lawyers.
The officials said Clinton, who coordinated with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, had exerted strong pressure for a deal.
Clinton told reporters the decision to reinstate Chaudhry was a first step for much-needed reconciliation and political compromise in Pakistan.
She avoided answering when asked if she had linked continued U.S. aid to a deal.
The stability of nuclear-armed Pakistan has emerged as a key worry in Washington, which also needs its help to combat a Taliban insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan
Asked if the political turmoil was distracting Islamabad from taking on the militants, Clinton replied: "They understand what is at stake."
CONGRESSIONAL DOUBTS
U.S. officials said Clinton told both Zardari and Sharif congressional lawmakers might balk at sending Pakistan more aid while the crisis persisted.
"She warned them that congressional appropriations would be at risk," said one U.S. official, who asked not to be named.
A senior State Department official said "many" in Congress had expressed concern over what was happening in Pakistan.
"The secretary's friendly advice to the Pakistani leadership is that we have got to get this situation under control," the official said.
U.S. special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, also spoke several times over the weekend to Pakistani politicians.
"This was all done with great respect for Pakistan's sovereignty and sensibility but with great concern for the strategic and political implications of a protracted confrontation," a Holbrooke aide quoted him as saying.
The Obama administration is reviewing its strategy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan. Details, including possible future aid, are expected to emerge in the coming weeks.
In January, Zardari urged the United States to boost both military and non-military aid.
The United States has spent billions of dollars in recent years helping Pakistan fight al Qaeda and the Taliban in remote tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, released a report last month calling for $4 billion to $5 billion in immediate financial aid to help Pakistan avert financial meltdown.
Kerry welcomed the decision to reinstate the chief justice but said more must be done.
"Now, Pakistan's civilian leadership must avoid divisions and work together to further strengthen the nation's democratic institutions," the Massachusetts senator said in a statement.
State Department officials credited Pakistani leaders for their compromise and downplayed the effect of U.S. actions.
"These were decisions that had to be taken by the Pakistani leadership. And in the end, I believe they acted in the best interests of the Pakistani people, and that's what's important here," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood. (Editing by Alan Elsner)
Clinton warned Pakistan of aid cut if no deal
Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01pm EDT
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON, March 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Pakistan's president and opposition leader over the weekend U.S. aid could be at risk unless they defused a crisis over a top judge, U.S. officials said on Monday.
In a surprise move, Pakistan's government announced on Monday it would reinstate Iftikhar Chaudhry as chief justice, aiming to defuse a crisis and end protests by lawyers and activists that threatened to turn violent.
The officials said Clinton telephoned on Saturday both President Asif Ali Zardari and his rival, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who had backed the anti-government lawyers.
The officials said Clinton, who coordinated with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, had exerted strong pressure for a deal.
Clinton told reporters the decision to reinstate Chaudhry was a first step for much-needed reconciliation and political compromise in Pakistan.
She avoided answering when asked if she had linked continued U.S. aid to a deal.
The stability of nuclear-armed Pakistan has emerged as a key worry in Washington, which also needs its help to combat a Taliban insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan
Asked if the political turmoil was distracting Islamabad from taking on the militants, Clinton replied: "They understand what is at stake."
CONGRESSIONAL DOUBTS
U.S. officials said Clinton told both Zardari and Sharif congressional lawmakers might balk at sending Pakistan more aid while the crisis persisted.
"She warned them that congressional appropriations would be at risk," said one U.S. official, who asked not to be named.
A senior State Department official said "many" in Congress had expressed concern over what was happening in Pakistan.
"The secretary's friendly advice to the Pakistani leadership is that we have got to get this situation under control," the official said.
U.S. special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, also spoke several times over the weekend to Pakistani politicians.
"This was all done with great respect for Pakistan's sovereignty and sensibility but with great concern for the strategic and political implications of a protracted confrontation," a Holbrooke aide quoted him as saying.
The Obama administration is reviewing its strategy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan. Details, including possible future aid, are expected to emerge in the coming weeks.
In January, Zardari urged the United States to boost both military and non-military aid.
The United States has spent billions of dollars in recent years helping Pakistan fight al Qaeda and the Taliban in remote tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, released a report last month calling for $4 billion to $5 billion in immediate financial aid to help Pakistan avert financial meltdown.
Kerry welcomed the decision to reinstate the chief justice but said more must be done.
"Now, Pakistan's civilian leadership must avoid divisions and work together to further strengthen the nation's democratic institutions," the Massachusetts senator said in a statement.
State Department officials credited Pakistani leaders for their compromise and downplayed the effect of U.S. actions.
"These were decisions that had to be taken by the Pakistani leadership. And in the end, I believe they acted in the best interests of the Pakistani people, and that's what's important here," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood. (Editing by Alan Elsner)
#272 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2009 11:31:24 am
....and so are the Americans the uber ghoondas...take note hypocrite tahmed....
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20940
&am p;qu ot;Top US government functionaries tried their level best to prevent the PML-N Quaid Nawaz Sharif from coming out on the roads but they failed. US President’s Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke spoke to Nawaz Sharif twice last week and offered his services for mediation with Asif Ali Zardari but the PML-N Quaid never encouraged him.
Nawaz Shrif told this scribe that he did not want the Army and the US to interfere in the political affairs of the country and that was why he ignored the offer of the American envoy, but in a polite and friendly way.
Nawaz Sharif is confident that March 16 will change the history of Pakistan not through foreign forces and the Army but by the peopleÃs power"
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20940
&am p;qu ot;Top US government functionaries tried their level best to prevent the PML-N Quaid Nawaz Sharif from coming out on the roads but they failed. US President’s Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke spoke to Nawaz Sharif twice last week and offered his services for mediation with Asif Ali Zardari but the PML-N Quaid never encouraged him.
Nawaz Shrif told this scribe that he did not want the Army and the US to interfere in the political affairs of the country and that was why he ignored the offer of the American envoy, but in a polite and friendly way.
Nawaz Sharif is confident that March 16 will change the history of Pakistan not through foreign forces and the Army but by the peopleÃs power"
#271 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2009 8:53:46 am
#269 agreed. the scoundrels and lawbreakers and ghoondas in pakistan had a huge stake in wrecking the judicial system of Pakistan. But, thanks to the Pakistani people, the ghoondas are now on the run.
#270 Posted by anil on March 16, 2009 8:44:06 am
#239
Hamidm sahib:
You can have your Viceroy. India cannot have it, until it has a man who can charm and sweep Viceroy's wife off the floor, and Pakistan's leadership is so ugly that Arjun looks more handsome.
Another factor against the above happening, is that current generation of Indians are busy enjoying Bollywood chics and boys, cricket and their IT and wealth. If you do not believe me, just look at the facts more than half of the elected members of Parliament are over 60 years old, and a good quarter are 70 to 81 years.
So in short you will have no competition, the Viceroy is all yours. A good lesson to read and follow would be out of Nehru's life with Edwina. In case Pakistan goes that route.
Hamidm sahib:
You can have your Viceroy. India cannot have it, until it has a man who can charm and sweep Viceroy's wife off the floor, and Pakistan's leadership is so ugly that Arjun looks more handsome.
Another factor against the above happening, is that current generation of Indians are busy enjoying Bollywood chics and boys, cricket and their IT and wealth. If you do not believe me, just look at the facts more than half of the elected members of Parliament are over 60 years old, and a good quarter are 70 to 81 years.
So in short you will have no competition, the Viceroy is all yours. A good lesson to read and follow would be out of Nehru's life with Edwina. In case Pakistan goes that route.
#269 Posted by dpaiac9 on March 16, 2009 8:25:09 am
I hope CJ will take MQM to task for their violent behavior. Not just they burned the lawyers alive last year, they kept the nation in tumoil ever since the establishment of Pakistan. I hope they pay for their impusive behavior dearly.
#268 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2009 6:37:43 am
..... cowasjee might be a senile old man, but unlike our own tahmed he gets it right sometimes :
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/paki stan/who-can-tolerate-an-independent-judiciary-hs
#267 Posted by laddu on March 16, 2009 6:31:07 am
It is increasingly becoming apparent that Punjab-centeric forces like PML-N, Pakistan Tahrik-i-Insaf, a powerful section in PPP from Punjab, and the Punjab-heavy military and their religious allies like JI are succeeding to oust Zardari from power-even from leadership of PPP.
It is clear that only Punjus are celebrating .........
#266 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2009 6:15:09 am
SR mian,
.... i apologize to the honorable working ladies of heera mandi for comparing them to our politicians ..... in the past i have always called them the only - repeat, only - honorable people in pakistan ........ i also apologize to their agents, pimps and dalals for comparing them to our generals .......
........ today, i am formally launching the movement for the establishment of a real dictatorship in pakistan ... i would appreciate your support in this effort to save the unwashed masses from the washed civil society ..........
aamriyat zindabad!
democracy murdabad!
#264 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:48 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
#263 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:46 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
#262 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 5:20:46 am
#242 by bulleya
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
This is like saying ever since the woman agreed to become the man's concubine, he's stopped beating her.
#261 Posted by _ar_jun74 on March 16, 2009 4:59:34 am
#257 Posted by shankar on March 16, 2009 3:50:47 am
hey...don't ruin it for the rest of it...let capt clueless do his pakianna act..his t-shirt with paki flag thing for this situation...we could use the laughs...
hey...don't ruin it for the rest of it...let capt clueless do his pakianna act..his t-shirt with paki flag thing for this situation...we could use the laughs...
#260 Posted by nkg on March 16, 2009 4:23:41 am
Re: # 246
Haris...
I have found similar rascal in india, too (Harish may have to search little more)...they just want to avoid legal hassle of rape cases by arranging marriage of the rapist with the raped....
Haris...
I have found similar rascal in india, too (Harish may have to search little more)...they just want to avoid legal hassle of rape cases by arranging marriage of the rapist with the raped....
#259 Posted by nkg on March 16, 2009 4:19:29 am
Re: # 252
arjun...
brother, it is not only bulll...Indian 24X7 channels are even showing "sakshatkar" of that joker....we Indians are real stupids....
arjun...
brother, it is not only bulll...Indian 24X7 channels are even showing "sakshatkar" of that joker....we Indians are real stupids....
#258 Posted by nkg on March 16, 2009 4:16:00 am
Re: # 239
hamidm2...
that is good idea (a direct viceroy from US of A) for Pakiland...you have to find a sponsor (some clue....the original place of arabic moon god)...
hamidm2...
that is good idea (a direct viceroy from US of A) for Pakiland...you have to find a sponsor (some clue....the original place of arabic moon god)...
#257 Posted by shankar on March 16, 2009 3:50:47 am
bulleya,
Bravo! civil society of Pakistan. Your sacrifice has paid off!!
Enjoy the sunshine.Please dont get carried away about tomorrow..then you start acting like Polyanna.
Bravo! civil society of Pakistan. Your sacrifice has paid off!!
Enjoy the sunshine.Please dont get carried away about tomorrow..then you start acting like Polyanna.
#256 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 3:31:38 am
#253 by _ar_jun74
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
Don't bother. The man is incorrigible.
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
Don't bother. The man is incorrigible.
#255 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 3:31:37 am
#253 by _ar_jun74
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
Don't bother. The man is incorrigible.
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
Don't bother. The man is incorrigible.
#254 Posted by jayp on March 16, 2009 2:53:21 am
Now the zardari has to dismiss the CJ again.
The Nawaz and party want the CJ back only to get at musheraff.
Once put back in his seat, the CJ is going to dig up some old cases and declare that Mushy has to be prosecuted.
Then zardari will have to dismiss the CJ again
The Nawaz and party want the CJ back only to get at musheraff.
Once put back in his seat, the CJ is going to dig up some old cases and declare that Mushy has to be prosecuted.
Then zardari will have to dismiss the CJ again
#253 Posted by _ar_jun74 on March 16, 2009 2:11:50 am
#245 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 12:07:43 am
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
you think now is a good time to remind capt clueless about his love of mushy?
#252 Posted by _ar_jun74 on March 16, 2009 2:10:27 am
#243 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 11:43:39 pm
yeah...like the paki army is about to throw mushy under the bus...
yeah...like the paki army is about to throw mushy under the bus...
#251 Posted by SR on March 16, 2009 2:03:37 am
Re: # 225 Muhammad Hamid ["... legalization of prostitution ... our politicians can practice their art ... this squabble between the warring whores..."]
How dare you disgrace the honorable 'working ladies' of Pakistan by comparing bitches like the Thief of Dubai and the Fat Fool of Gawalmundi with those selfless souls? Shame on you. You owe a public apology to all the Pakistani ladies enaged in the oldest profession.
In future you should only compare these creepy crawlies with others worms of similar ilk, such as the bureaucrats, the generals, the Pirs, the Makhdooms and other shamless gutter rats and muck swine of these classes.
...SR
How dare you disgrace the honorable 'working ladies' of Pakistan by comparing bitches like the Thief of Dubai and the Fat Fool of Gawalmundi with those selfless souls? Shame on you. You owe a public apology to all the Pakistani ladies enaged in the oldest profession.
In future you should only compare these creepy crawlies with others worms of similar ilk, such as the bureaucrats, the generals, the Pirs, the Makhdooms and other shamless gutter rats and muck swine of these classes.
...SR
#247 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 12:07:45 am
#242 by bulleya
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
#246 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 12:07:43 am
#242 by bulleya
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
#245 Posted by harish_hyd on March 16, 2009 12:07:43 am
#242 by bulleya
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
Un-f**king-believable!! Never read anything more idiotic. Tomorrow if someone barges into Captain Clueless' home and molests his wife or daughter, I'm sure this moron will give that molester the job of guarding his home.
#244 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 11:51:18 pm
things seem to really be turning around for pakistan...first the restoration of the judiciary....and now, something even more unbelievable.......
....the pakistan women's cricket team, not only qualified for the women's world cup, it ended up defeating sri lanka and west indies....and is now ranked at no. 5 in the world cup!.....if it beats england, it qualifies for the semi final.....
....the pakistan women's cricket team, not only qualified for the women's world cup, it ended up defeating sri lanka and west indies....and is now ranked at no. 5 in the world cup!.....if it beats england, it qualifies for the semi final.....
#243 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 11:43:39 pm
...the restoration of the cj may cause big problems for the usa......i think one of the reasons he was not being restored was usa's pressure (along with zardari's nro)....
......if everything is returned to nov 2. situation, then the person in the biggest trouble is musharraf......anyone can, then, file an FIR against him for treason....it is an open and shut case, and he will get the death penalty......
.....obviously the usa doesn't want any of its dictators hanged......it has already lost musharraf to the lawyers......and, now, it has lost zardari also.....it could control both of them, as they were dependent on the usa.......it will have more difficulty controlling gilani, and if people like imran khan start coming into power, they will actually openly challenge the usa.....as they have no skeletons in their closet (barring an illegitimate child, or so).........
if musharraf is hanged, hosni of egypt and abdullah of jordan et al, will start getting cold feet.....it will be a clear indication that the usa cannot protect its dictators...pretty soon the usa may have chavez's on its hands everywhere.....
.....the second issue is that of the missing persons......God knows how many have been picked up and handed over to the usa by musharraf.....the deposed cj, actually, was carrying out raids into musharraf's safehouses, trying to find these missing persons.....he was bringing IG police etc. into court to find them.....
....obviously, the usa doesn't want the whole missing person's episode exposed......it has its hands full with guantanemo......
.....so musharraf must be very concerned now......as must be the usa......phone calls are probably being made to nawaz etc. to go easy on musharraf and to not touch the missing persons.......however, some citizen may file a case against musharraf for treason, and against usa for missing persons......
.......lets see what happens......the grip on usa on pakistan society may start to loosen now......zardari was their big civilian hope.......he is down and out......
......if everything is returned to nov 2. situation, then the person in the biggest trouble is musharraf......anyone can, then, file an FIR against him for treason....it is an open and shut case, and he will get the death penalty......
.....obviously the usa doesn't want any of its dictators hanged......it has already lost musharraf to the lawyers......and, now, it has lost zardari also.....it could control both of them, as they were dependent on the usa.......it will have more difficulty controlling gilani, and if people like imran khan start coming into power, they will actually openly challenge the usa.....as they have no skeletons in their closet (barring an illegitimate child, or so).........
if musharraf is hanged, hosni of egypt and abdullah of jordan et al, will start getting cold feet.....it will be a clear indication that the usa cannot protect its dictators...pretty soon the usa may have chavez's on its hands everywhere.....
.....the second issue is that of the missing persons......God knows how many have been picked up and handed over to the usa by musharraf.....the deposed cj, actually, was carrying out raids into musharraf's safehouses, trying to find these missing persons.....he was bringing IG police etc. into court to find them.....
....obviously, the usa doesn't want the whole missing person's episode exposed......it has its hands full with guantanemo......
.....so musharraf must be very concerned now......as must be the usa......phone calls are probably being made to nawaz etc. to go easy on musharraf and to not touch the missing persons.......however, some citizen may file a case against musharraf for treason, and against usa for missing persons......
.......lets see what happens......the grip on usa on pakistan society may start to loosen now......zardari was their big civilian hope.......he is down and out......
#242 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 11:35:00 pm
shankar #: ...the judges have been restored......quite a historic moment for pakistan.....in fact, historic internationally....i don't know of too many, if any, such movement that has occurred anywhere.....
....as someone who has had a front row seat to this event, i have found it quite interesting.....
to answer your question.....if a movement succeeds, there is a vacuum created and who will fill that vacuum.....currently the vacuum has been filled by two civil society groups - lawyers and media.....
....could the taliban fill it......maybe.....they would have to do a lot of work though.....they have no indigenous roots in what is, today, pakistan.....they cannot win an election.....they have no popularity amongst the masses....
however, if the situation continues like SR is suggesting, and they can provide an alternative, they could succeed......
in my opinion, they have no alternative to provide....hence they will not succeed.....they will cause a lot of trouble, though....
pakistan is, slowly, going through political maturity.....power is shifting from the elite (chowk crowd) to the middle class......after which, will it shift to the poor class......let's wait and see...
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
the next step should be to get out of usa's gwot......
....as someone who has had a front row seat to this event, i have found it quite interesting.....
to answer your question.....if a movement succeeds, there is a vacuum created and who will fill that vacuum.....currently the vacuum has been filled by two civil society groups - lawyers and media.....
....could the taliban fill it......maybe.....they would have to do a lot of work though.....they have no indigenous roots in what is, today, pakistan.....they cannot win an election.....they have no popularity amongst the masses....
however, if the situation continues like SR is suggesting, and they can provide an alternative, they could succeed......
in my opinion, they have no alternative to provide....hence they will not succeed.....they will cause a lot of trouble, though....
pakistan is, slowly, going through political maturity.....power is shifting from the elite (chowk crowd) to the middle class......after which, will it shift to the poor class......let's wait and see...
in the meanwhile, i read that the nwfp govt. is thinking of giving the taliban jobs in the police and constubalory.......i think that is a good idea....make everyone who militantly rises against the state, a part of the state.......ever since shariah was accepted in swat, there hasn't been a single bombing in islamabad......
the next step should be to get out of usa's gwot......
#241 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 10:47:33 pm
However, there is one way - the only way - that will show that fouj has redeemd itself and that they are repentent of all the crimes they have done against the citizens of Pakistan.... The fouj MUST handover Musharaf to the people of Pakistan. He should be tried for treason and hanged in the courtyard of Lal Masjid for his crimes against humanity.
#240 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 10:41:35 pm
The Chief Justice Sahib now owe us, Pakistanis, the release of all 16000+ "disappeared" Pakistani citizens from the american outsourced torture cells in pakistan and other lawless countries around the globe. Godspeed Chief Sahib.
#239 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 8:34:17 pm
Re: # 237
anil mian,
.... let's admit it - we made a mistake by kicking out the british before they had had a chance to civilize us ..... they could not even get gandhi to put on clothes and left us in a lurch with half-naked leaders like him ......... you horrible hindoos can do what ever you want, but i want a viceroy from washington as long as he is not paul bremmer ...... democracy does not suit us because we only respect strong and ruthless leaders ......
anil mian,
.... let's admit it - we made a mistake by kicking out the british before they had had a chance to civilize us ..... they could not even get gandhi to put on clothes and left us in a lurch with half-naked leaders like him ......... you horrible hindoos can do what ever you want, but i want a viceroy from washington as long as he is not paul bremmer ...... democracy does not suit us because we only respect strong and ruthless leaders ......
#238 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 8:26:06 pm
Re: # 236
masadi mian,
.... then i hope you are not talking to him !
masadi mian,
.... then i hope you are not talking to him !
#237 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 8:13:48 pm
Re: # 232
Hamidm sahib:
"......... like i have said before, we need a good dictator who will make the trains run on time ...."
Has any train ever ran on time since your grandpa gopinath's time?
The reality of India lies in the above question. Now you can believe it to be different in Pakistan. Pakistani army ha been a mutually exclusive constituency, since the first general descided in 1958 (or was it in 1959). The sooner Pakistanis accept it, the better they are, as long the army can be made to come to the table without guns. After all whenever mafia heads meet, they all remove guns before entering. This time, the U.S. has done it, now civilians need to develop unspoken mafioso rule to no guns allowed. Unless you want Viceroy to be appointed by the White House.
Hamidm sahib:
"......... like i have said before, we need a good dictator who will make the trains run on time ...."
Has any train ever ran on time since your grandpa gopinath's time?
The reality of India lies in the above question. Now you can believe it to be different in Pakistan. Pakistani army ha been a mutually exclusive constituency, since the first general descided in 1958 (or was it in 1959). The sooner Pakistanis accept it, the better they are, as long the army can be made to come to the table without guns. After all whenever mafia heads meet, they all remove guns before entering. This time, the U.S. has done it, now civilians need to develop unspoken mafioso rule to no guns allowed. Unless you want Viceroy to be appointed by the White House.
#235 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 7:57:47 pm
Re: # 233
masadi,
.... you are a conspiracy theorist extraordinare ! ...... do you think up all this stuff yourself, or do you consult mills and zinn ? ..... i assume mills - whoever he is - is still alive, otherwise you are in deeper trouble than we thought !
..... i think you should let bygones be bygones and forgive us for denying you tenure at brooklyn community college ....... get on with your life
masadi,
.... you are a conspiracy theorist extraordinare ! ...... do you think up all this stuff yourself, or do you consult mills and zinn ? ..... i assume mills - whoever he is - is still alive, otherwise you are in deeper trouble than we thought !
..... i think you should let bygones be bygones and forgive us for denying you tenure at brooklyn community college ....... get on with your life
#234 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:42:23 pm
tahmed writes "masadi: so..why dont you hand over your next meal to the hungry??? "
Because there are no private solutions to public problems. Your Carnegies and Rockefeller corporations do that just in order to ensure the maintainence of an unjust system in which you privately feed 10 and publicly produce 10 million hungry...
Get an education,
TNITC masadi
Because there are no private solutions to public problems. Your Carnegies and Rockefeller corporations do that just in order to ensure the maintainence of an unjust system in which you privately feed 10 and publicly produce 10 million hungry...
Get an education,
TNITC masadi
#233 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:40:23 pm
Hamid writes "... stop giving obama credit for actually thinking ...... the man is a smooth talking used car salesman who hoodwinked the nation into voting for him ....."
Make up your mind, does he think enough to hoodwink or not? He did not hoodwink anyone on his own initiative and neither could his smooth talk accomplish anything were he not constructed as "the messiah" by those that have access to the very brains of the vast majority of the American public, the U.S. power elite. This is their game and he is their actor who because he is black was handed the worst job in the country at the present time to keep the masses from rebelling as well as keeping race divisions salient by ensuring people due to his constructed failure view blacks as "used car salesman"....
TNITC masadi
Make up your mind, does he think enough to hoodwink or not? He did not hoodwink anyone on his own initiative and neither could his smooth talk accomplish anything were he not constructed as "the messiah" by those that have access to the very brains of the vast majority of the American public, the U.S. power elite. This is their game and he is their actor who because he is black was handed the worst job in the country at the present time to keep the masses from rebelling as well as keeping race divisions salient by ensuring people due to his constructed failure view blacks as "used car salesman"....
TNITC masadi
#232 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 7:37:38 pm
Re: # 218
anil mian,
..... you are giving us pakis too much credit ...... this thing is all a sham and in six months we will have another political or constitutional crisis ......... like i have said before, we need a good dictator who will make the trains run on time .... you can keep this democracy so that your people can continue to squat on the tracks without worrying about the trains ..........
anil mian,
..... you are giving us pakis too much credit ...... this thing is all a sham and in six months we will have another political or constitutional crisis ......... like i have said before, we need a good dictator who will make the trains run on time .... you can keep this democracy so that your people can continue to squat on the tracks without worrying about the trains ..........
#231 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 7:37:33 pm
hamidm: anyway, good night. hope your "high level contacts" are keeping you well informed.
masadi: so..why dont you hand over your next meal to the hungry???
masadi: so..why dont you hand over your next meal to the hungry???
#230 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:36:03 pm
#228, allow me to answer this question you asked tahmed, the brave people of Pakistan won the "right" to go to bed another night with an empty belly...
Have a nice day,
TNITC masadi
Have a nice day,
TNITC masadi
#228 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 7:33:28 pm
Re: # 226
tahmed,
... what did the people of pakistan win ?
tahmed,
... what did the people of pakistan win ?
#227 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 7:32:50 pm
Re: # 223
masadi mian,
... stop giving obama credit for actually thinking ...... the man is a smooth talking used car salesman who hoodwinked the nation into voting for him ...... he can't even figure out how to fix the financial crisis and keeps on giving away my money ........
... all we want is for pakistan to have some level of stability so that kiyani can stay focused on fighting urstruly's cave dwelling friends ......
masadi mian,
... stop giving obama credit for actually thinking ...... the man is a smooth talking used car salesman who hoodwinked the nation into voting for him ...... he can't even figure out how to fix the financial crisis and keeps on giving away my money ........
... all we want is for pakistan to have some level of stability so that kiyani can stay focused on fighting urstruly's cave dwelling friends ......
#226 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 7:30:41 pm
hamidm: The people of Pakistan have won. the clowns you were applauding have lost.
you can go back to being the chowk comedian. it doesnt matter what you say - just make it funny.
you can go back to being the chowk comedian. it doesnt matter what you say - just make it funny.
#225 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 7:20:30 pm
bhaiyo,
..... now that this tamasha is almost over i want to restart the movement for the legalization of prostitution in pakistan so that our politicians can practice their art without violating the law ....... general kiyani deserves the nation's gratitude for settling this squabble between the warring whores - the guys riding around in pink cadillacs on eight mile could learn a thing or two from him!
general kiyani zindabad!
hillary clinton zindabad!
p.s. while they are doing that they might as well lift prohibition to make life a little easier for me on my trip next month ..........
..... now that this tamasha is almost over i want to restart the movement for the legalization of prostitution in pakistan so that our politicians can practice their art without violating the law ....... general kiyani deserves the nation's gratitude for settling this squabble between the warring whores - the guys riding around in pink cadillacs on eight mile could learn a thing or two from him!
general kiyani zindabad!
hillary clinton zindabad!
p.s. while they are doing that they might as well lift prohibition to make life a little easier for me on my trip next month ..........
#224 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:13:55 pm
....in the meantime some here can keep reading the "writing on the wall" i.e. the graffiti in the public lavatories....
#223 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:12:39 pm
Also my earlier point, Obama came in with a 'change' facade he cannot be seen without an precipitating event to be working directly with a military dictator in that region. That is bad for domestic hoodwinking that is going on through him, he needs an excuse to do that and that excuse will come within six months...as Biden predicted...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#222 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:08:12 pm
correction: if they think the movement will go away
#220 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 7:07:01 pm
VRV sahib, here is what the deal it, the military lost credibility in Pakistan due to Musharraf, it is merely trying to regain it before it strikes again. It is still calling the shots from behind the scenes. The unintended consequences of their manipulations earlier was what produced the lawyer's movement and now they are trying to manage it w/out changing the underlying power equation....however they are sadly mistaken if the movement will go away just because one personality was restored. The best they do is buy time, much like the capitalist world system with its shenanigans to hide class conflict, stories of entrepreneurship, gender, racial and a 1001 other divisions just to keep people from focusing on what is limiting not only their life chances but their years of life lived, class and only class because the few thugs that rule the world have walked away with most of the global resources and nowhere in the history of the world have average incomes been so different in different parts of the globe as in the current time...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#219 Posted by VRV on March 15, 2009 6:39:46 pm
Masadi,
We all know that US ambassador confabulated with Sharif bros in Lahore & US army chief discussed it with Kiyani and of course Hillary called leadership in Pakistan and asked them to behave & probably told Zatdari to show some lachak. Do u believe that this good news (Cj reinstatement) is ASLO arranged by the US elite for its own selfish ends (no distraction for WoT)? Thanks in advance.
We all know that US ambassador confabulated with Sharif bros in Lahore & US army chief discussed it with Kiyani and of course Hillary called leadership in Pakistan and asked them to behave & probably told Zatdari to show some lachak. Do u believe that this good news (Cj reinstatement) is ASLO arranged by the US elite for its own selfish ends (no distraction for WoT)? Thanks in advance.
#218 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 5:50:40 pm
Re: # 206
Hamidm sahib:
Democracy won!!!
This will go down as one of the finest hours in Pakistan's history. I can send mithai from your home to Masadi's home as well. Tahmed sahib's is in between.
Army played a role without guns and within their constitutional role. Going forward they would be integral part of Pakistani democracy. Hopefully, NS and Zaradri can play their roles inside parliament now. However defective, Pakistan's very own democracy where Army also plays a role should emerge.
Hamidm sahib:
Democracy won!!!
This will go down as one of the finest hours in Pakistan's history. I can send mithai from your home to Masadi's home as well. Tahmed sahib's is in between.
Army played a role without guns and within their constitutional role. Going forward they would be integral part of Pakistani democracy. Hopefully, NS and Zaradri can play their roles inside parliament now. However defective, Pakistan's very own democracy where Army also plays a role should emerge.
#217 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 5:13:40 pm
Washington informed of Justice Iftikhar's restoration
Updated at: 0400 PST, Monday, March 16, 2009
ISLAMABAD: The government has informed Washington about the decision vis-Ã -vis reinstating the deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=71660
That's the writing on the "wall" that tahmed was talking about, the graffiti that Zardari pens on the bathroom walls every time he visits it after seeking permission from his masters in Wash, DC. Talk about a shameless client state...a beyghairat leadership of a qaum they want to make beyghairat, in the best tradition of our chowk acquaintance who informs us about writings on the wall...
TNITC masadi
Updated at: 0400 PST, Monday, March 16, 2009
ISLAMABAD: The government has informed Washington about the decision vis-Ã -vis reinstating the deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=71660
That's the writing on the "wall" that tahmed was talking about, the graffiti that Zardari pens on the bathroom walls every time he visits it after seeking permission from his masters in Wash, DC. Talk about a shameless client state...a beyghairat leadership of a qaum they want to make beyghairat, in the best tradition of our chowk acquaintance who informs us about writings on the wall...
TNITC masadi
#216 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 4:24:24 pm
Tahmed writes "kiyani merely read the writing on the wall"
you mean "the wall street" that is causing enough problems to Obama for him to save face with his "change" mantra were a military coup to occur with his blessings without the six month event having taken place as promised by Biden....who did you loan your brain out to? The greeters at walmart....as Hamid would say, verily they are "f'kd"
TNITC masadi
you mean "the wall street" that is causing enough problems to Obama for him to save face with his "change" mantra were a military coup to occur with his blessings without the six month event having taken place as promised by Biden....who did you loan your brain out to? The greeters at walmart....as Hamid would say, verily they are "f'kd"
TNITC masadi
#215 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 4:19:51 pm
tahmed writes "You really want me out of chowk that much??"
Your presence is required in hell, not on chowk...
TNITC masadi
Your presence is required in hell, not on chowk...
TNITC masadi
#214 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 4:18:23 pm
Don't doubt the fact that the SC ruling against NS and his bro was not without Amry blessings. Zardari might have wanted it but the SC cleared it with the military, have no doubts about it and it occurred shortly after Kiyani was "honored" with the rest of Third World mercenaries that have butchered their own people "hall of fame" in the US.
TNITC masadi....
p.s the TC is Turbo Charged, you better believe it especially the mullahs!
TNITC masadi....
p.s the TC is Turbo Charged, you better believe it especially the mullahs!
#213 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 4:14:54 pm
tahmed writes "the force behind the restoration of the supreme court is the ordinary people of pakistan..."
It's the lawyer's movement moron that by luck had a marriage of convenience with NS. Zardari and the military are gambling on reigning the CJ in after he's restored not realizing like dumb f'___s that this very CJ was opposed by the lawyers when his SC allowed Musharraf to run for president after his initial restoration. Even if the reign him in, this movement is here to stay. It is a manipulation that they were forced to incorporate due to what they saw on the street, apparently the time is not right for a military coup with so many grievances unattended...the Americans want to clean up house before they bring their beloved military back into power....
TNITC masadi
It's the lawyer's movement moron that by luck had a marriage of convenience with NS. Zardari and the military are gambling on reigning the CJ in after he's restored not realizing like dumb f'___s that this very CJ was opposed by the lawyers when his SC allowed Musharraf to run for president after his initial restoration. Even if the reign him in, this movement is here to stay. It is a manipulation that they were forced to incorporate due to what they saw on the street, apparently the time is not right for a military coup with so many grievances unattended...the Americans want to clean up house before they bring their beloved military back into power....
TNITC masadi
#212 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 3:55:48 pm
Nest steps:
- Recover Disappeared Pakistani citizens
- Shut down American outsourced torture and detention centers
- Shut down any military operation against citizens of Pakistan.
- Hang Musharaf in the courtyard of Lal masjid.
- Recover Disappeared Pakistani citizens
- Shut down American outsourced torture and detention centers
- Shut down any military operation against citizens of Pakistan.
- Hang Musharaf in the courtyard of Lal masjid.
#210 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:43:41 pm
cheema sahib: please dont repeat these hollow cliches about the "turkish model". the force behind the restoration of the supreme court is the ordinary people of pakistan - kiyani merely read the writing on the wall. the police had already refused to follow orders. ever seen the movie "The Battleship Potemkin"?
#209 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:35:30 pm
hamidm: hmmm...bragging about "inside sources". the true mark of a pakistani lota.
#208 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:34:03 pm
hamidm: so now you are joining the thugs of mqm in lying on behalf of zardari. life must be really hard for you.
#207 Posted by akcheema on March 15, 2009 3:33:26 pm
Re: # 205
[[kiyani took off in a helicopter in the middle of the night from the prime minister's house ]]
long live the "turkish model"! ... the only solution in the short term (and perhaps longer term too)
[[kiyani took off in a helicopter in the middle of the night from the prime minister's house ]]
long live the "turkish model"! ... the only solution in the short term (and perhaps longer term too)
#206 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 3:31:35 pm
anil mian,
....you can start exporting some mithai from india to pakistan ..... you can also send jayp and laddu in drag to provide entertainment to the crowds gathered in front of droopy's house ......... a buck is a buck for a bania
#205 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 3:28:55 pm
urstruly mian,
.... altaph bhai has already issued a 48 hour ultimatum to the pehalwan brothers to 'withdraw' the anti-sindh slogans raised in their long march to eat chiray in gujranwala ....... chuckle, chuckle!
jiye sindh!
punjabi fascism murdabad!
p.s. kiyani took off in a helicopter in the middle of the night from the prime minister's house ... my inside source tells me that he slapped zardari around a little bit and told him to bring in the fat fool of gowalmandi and talk to him ..... after dropping off kiyani, the helicopter took off for gujranwala ..... again, my inside source tells me that kiyani sent along a general with instruction to slap nawaz sharif if he doesn't behave himself ..........
#204 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:25:57 pm
hamidm #194 " we just need to find a good dictator"
"we"??? you mean "I"!! please speak for yourself.
Why you fail to understand that what thousands of brave Pakistanis have been fighting for the past 2 years is in your own self-interest and that of your children is beyond me.
"we"??? you mean "I"!! please speak for yourself.
Why you fail to understand that what thousands of brave Pakistanis have been fighting for the past 2 years is in your own self-interest and that of your children is beyond me.
#203 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:19:33 pm
Mr. Masadi Esq, PhD (BS): You really want me out of chowk that much?? I am sorry to cause you so much misery with my presence.
#202 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 3:12:16 pm
anil #165 Please rest assured that equating support for a dictator with support for democracy is indeed a substantive gap in your understanding of the concept of democracy.
Here are the remaining gaps between democracy and your understanding of it:
1. Ridiculing elected leaders equates with ridiculing those who elected them. You refer to Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister and a national leader by any reasonable standard) as "Sharif Pehalwans’". Why cant you use the same respectful tone for elected reps that you use with posters like myself on chowk who represent no one but themselves?
2. An independant judiciary that stands up for the constitution and basic rights is the heart of a democracy, and this is what Sharif has provided leadership in achieving over the 18 months or so. You refer to this as "shenanigans".!!!
I could go through the rest of your post and find other substantive gaps, but I think these are enough dont you agree???
Here are the remaining gaps between democracy and your understanding of it:
1. Ridiculing elected leaders equates with ridiculing those who elected them. You refer to Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister and a national leader by any reasonable standard) as "Sharif Pehalwans’". Why cant you use the same respectful tone for elected reps that you use with posters like myself on chowk who represent no one but themselves?
2. An independant judiciary that stands up for the constitution and basic rights is the heart of a democracy, and this is what Sharif has provided leadership in achieving over the 18 months or so. You refer to this as "shenanigans".!!!
I could go through the rest of your post and find other substantive gaps, but I think these are enough dont you agree???
#201 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 2:33:10 pm
The CJ has been restored per the PM.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#200 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 2:18:02 pm
tahmed better watch your words, my redflagging mouse is eagerly awaiting your posts....and that of tahmed11 the cheat..............
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#199 Posted by masadi on March 15, 2009 2:15:49 pm
Like I said, the moron mullah doesn't have a clue. He wants to undo the Army as if these shalwar and chappal owners can undo a well built up, US funded and trained institution. That is not the way to proceed. Restoration of the CJ would damage the military more so than the ak rounds these mosquitoes can throw at them, even though I know that life is cheap to them, other people's lives that is...and it is also true that these leeching parasites are waiting on the sidelines to assume ownership of the revolution once it occurs with full US support, they are the fallback of the US once the army fails and they know it....that is the reason for their confidence and the reason why all 5 of their fingers are in ghee...on the flip side, the freedom of India and pakistan was not handed to them on a platter as tahmed claims in order to worship the white man, it was not handed over period, it was passed over to their peons where Pakistan is concerned and the freedom of both was kept in check through each other, after the British precipitated, anticipated and then ignored the bloodshed, for which they moreso than the hindus, sikhs and muslims are responsible. Finally, nobody in England struggled for their freedom, it was and is not still available to them, the bourgeoisie duped the masses when the feudal order was overthrown and still rule....
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#198 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 1:51:14 pm
Re: # 195
Harmkhor fouj cannot play Sindh card this time.
"Islam khatray main hay" is lost as well because time has proven that only danger to Islam is from haramkhor fouj itself.
"Sindh alehdgi passand" card is lost as well because now everybody knows that fascists and terrorists like MQM and jiyay sindh are in fouj's pocket and it has been using them all along. No more.
Altafa kanjar can go to hell.
Harmkhor fouj cannot play Sindh card this time.
"Islam khatray main hay" is lost as well because time has proven that only danger to Islam is from haramkhor fouj itself.
"Sindh alehdgi passand" card is lost as well because now everybody knows that fascists and terrorists like MQM and jiyay sindh are in fouj's pocket and it has been using them all along. No more.
Altafa kanjar can go to hell.
#197 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 1:42:12 pm
...... i really hope i am wrong and this does not become a sindh/punjab issue .... let's hope the kleptomaniac and gowalmandi pehalwan will both declare victory and stop this dungal .......
#195 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 1:28:46 pm
Re: # 193
urstruly mian,
.... unfortunately this will now deteriorate into a sindh vs. punjab thing with altaph bhai putting on his sindhi hat ..... the next act will be played out in karachi ............
urstruly mian,
.... unfortunately this will now deteriorate into a sindh vs. punjab thing with altaph bhai putting on his sindhi hat ..... the next act will be played out in karachi ............
#194 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 1:27:00 pm
Re: # 190
tahmed mian,
..... i was just quoting what rehman malik said in his interview today ..... but don't worry - now let me quote my main man, sheikh rashid: "if india comes here, we will destroy him!"
.... in any case, this dramabazi is gong to end in a few hours and the next act of these clowns will begin ..... we just need to find a good dictator
tahmed mian,
..... i was just quoting what rehman malik said in his interview today ..... but don't worry - now let me quote my main man, sheikh rashid: "if india comes here, we will destroy him!"
.... in any case, this dramabazi is gong to end in a few hours and the next act of these clowns will begin ..... we just need to find a good dictator
#193 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 12:57:33 pm
Re: # 183 SR
"Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid."
I absolutely agree with the statement. However, my proposal to avert that is that an independent judiciary and a sense of law and order can avert this eventuality. The other two Bushites propound a "kill-all" solution. I have no doubt that the corrupt, pro-western ruling elite will opt for the second option beause that is what they are being paid to do.
The thimgs have come to a point where there is no turning back.
"Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid."
I absolutely agree with the statement. However, my proposal to avert that is that an independent judiciary and a sense of law and order can avert this eventuality. The other two Bushites propound a "kill-all" solution. I have no doubt that the corrupt, pro-western ruling elite will opt for the second option beause that is what they are being paid to do.
The thimgs have come to a point where there is no turning back.
#192 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 12:57:02 pm
Tahmed sahib:
Thanks for the compliment. In democracy there is a role for all of us (from casting a vote and onward). Are you really justified in pinning all problems of Pakistan on him? Like I had mentioned earlier, Pakistani Army will have a veto like role for a long time in any democratic set up in Pakistan. The U.N. may not be the perfect model of democracy, but then is there a perfect model of democracy?
I know you have singled out Musharraff from my comments, and have noted your viewpoint.
I am more interested however, in your comments on the rest of my post. That is where the beef is in my post.
Thanks for the compliment. In democracy there is a role for all of us (from casting a vote and onward). Are you really justified in pinning all problems of Pakistan on him? Like I had mentioned earlier, Pakistani Army will have a veto like role for a long time in any democratic set up in Pakistan. The U.N. may not be the perfect model of democracy, but then is there a perfect model of democracy?
I know you have singled out Musharraff from my comments, and have noted your viewpoint.
I am more interested however, in your comments on the rest of my post. That is where the beef is in my post.
#191 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 12:37:32 pm
anil sahib #188 when you think that half-brained tinpot musharraf with an exagerrated sense of his own importance is good for Pakistan, then i will seriously question how much you have learnt about democracy.
#190 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 12:34:29 pm
hamidm #186: - reduced to pointing fingers at the "faaren hand"?? no more cheers for ghoondas and jeers for the "unwashed masses"?? twisting and turning in the wind - life must be hard being a weatherlota!
#189 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 11:55:47 am
This is no democracry. Hamidm sahib was right before the election. This should have been aborted and thus saved the nation of additional problems.
#188 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 11:28:36 am
Re: # 168
Tahmed sahib:
"...anil sahib: You obviously have a lot to learn about democracy..."
I am a life long student and always ready to learn. If I am not wrong, I was the first one to say "learn to live with Taliban", "force is not going to deliver", "Pakistan can define its own democracy".
However, in the current situation I see that some in trying to push "destruct" button when this baby of demoracy is only one year old.
Tahmed sahib:
"...anil sahib: You obviously have a lot to learn about democracy..."
I am a life long student and always ready to learn. If I am not wrong, I was the first one to say "learn to live with Taliban", "force is not going to deliver", "Pakistan can define its own democracy".
However, in the current situation I see that some in trying to push "destruct" button when this baby of demoracy is only one year old.
#186 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 10:55:17 am
..... there is a foreign hand behind the lawyer's movement; i don't want to take names, but a country to our east is funding them ......
#185 Posted by bubba on March 15, 2009 10:45:56 am
They say “paki politicians have learnt a lesson�…for them learning anything except to make money for themselves is highly unlikely. Pakis are emotional people. For people who are emotional it is impossible to be rational. Who are modern day thinkers in puristan? The ruling elite and their chamchaas, whether on the left or the right, want to get the overflowing USD’s in the fata regions. For the sake of humanity the west should avoid giving these crooks the dinero. No matter what hamid mian says on chowk the biggest crooks of them all are the boys of GHQ.
#184 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2009 10:45:36 am
Re: # 183
SR mian,
......... stop scaring the heck out of me! ...... but you are right - all these politicians are cut from the same piece of cloth and if they are not careful our worst nightmares might come true .......... personally, i am advocating five decades of dictatorial rule where anyone mentioning the word 'democracy' or 'islam' is made to disappear ...... my only interest is that they should keep the islamabad club golf course open and fix the stinking open sewer in front of my taya ji's house in dhok piran faqiran ........
SR mian,
......... stop scaring the heck out of me! ...... but you are right - all these politicians are cut from the same piece of cloth and if they are not careful our worst nightmares might come true .......... personally, i am advocating five decades of dictatorial rule where anyone mentioning the word 'democracy' or 'islam' is made to disappear ...... my only interest is that they should keep the islamabad club golf course open and fix the stinking open sewer in front of my taya ji's house in dhok piran faqiran ........
#183 Posted by SR on March 15, 2009 10:17:53 am
Where there is no justice, there can be no peace.
By justice I do not mean to toot the horn of the symbolic restoration of corrupt judges by an even more corrupt elitist politician, who is continuing to play the shameless role of a still more corrupt general ... No. I am talking about the concept of justice, as in (relative) fairness and the so-called "rule of law" ... both of which are simply non-existent in the Islamabad Federal Republic (a.k.a., Pakistan).
Be it the politician, the general, the PPP feudal, the PML industrialist, the Pir or whoever, they are ALL the SAME. No difference between ANY of them ... does not matter if they go through the farce called elections or simply sneak into office through the back door. They are still members of the very same club and their interests are INCOMPATIBLE with the interests of the populus at large.
This is where the so-called Taleban factor comes in. Jahil, misguided, ignorant, primitive or whatever else you might call them, their is one thing that we must recognise that (a) they are 'from the masses' and (b) they represent a 'protest rejection' of the status quo.
If the elitist establishment had not been as corrupt, incompetent, nepotistic, fascist and exploitative, the so-called Taleban (better use the term 'islamic militant' although it is also not accurate) would never have come into existence, and the claim T32 makes would be perfectly valid and applicable. (T32 says that the mullah does not get any vote, Romair says the same, and I agree totally.)
If there is a 'bloody revolution' -- which could very likely happen one day -- it will not come through a popular vote. Neither the Bolshviks of Petrograd nor the Ayatullah's of Qum came in through a popular vote. The people will accept the militants one day, not because they are Islamic fundamentalists, but because the people shall have been totally exhausted, tapped out, discouraged and dejected by the perpetual and repeated deceit and exploitation of the imperialist-feudal-colonial-aristocratic luch-bazi that passes for governance in our on-again off-again pseudo-democratic pseudo-dictatorial system of plutocratic kleptocracy.
A day will come when violent convulsion will punctuate routine life and spontaneous mobs will unexpectedly materialize out of thin air like summer thunderstorms. Those who will be unfortunate to get caught at the wrong time in the wrong place will pay the price. Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid.
So go ahead and masturbate all you can about the pros and cons of this versus that party or system or election or selection of whatever else the fuck you want to split hairs about, none of it matters. It is ALL bullshit. You guys are so far, far, far removed from the grass root reality that you have no inkling. I am also just as far away, if truth be told, but I have seen things that I had only heard of before. My new-found perspective comes from the past few months that I have spent witnessing first hand the real problem of life among the real people of Pakistan. I have not seen anything I didn't know existed and hadn't heard of. But knowing and hearing is one thing and actually being ankle deep in mud and much and going through the gali, mohallahs and kachi abadis, and nomadic jhuggi-jhompri settlements and the disease ridden squalor of villages and talking to young and old has literally opened my eyes.
I can tell you with certainty that ALL of this political talk is irrelevant bull shit. It's nonsense crap and it belongs only to an artificial thin 'epidermal' layer of Pakistani population. The remaining 99% have no stake in any of this rubbish.
...SR
By justice I do not mean to toot the horn of the symbolic restoration of corrupt judges by an even more corrupt elitist politician, who is continuing to play the shameless role of a still more corrupt general ... No. I am talking about the concept of justice, as in (relative) fairness and the so-called "rule of law" ... both of which are simply non-existent in the Islamabad Federal Republic (a.k.a., Pakistan).
Be it the politician, the general, the PPP feudal, the PML industrialist, the Pir or whoever, they are ALL the SAME. No difference between ANY of them ... does not matter if they go through the farce called elections or simply sneak into office through the back door. They are still members of the very same club and their interests are INCOMPATIBLE with the interests of the populus at large.
This is where the so-called Taleban factor comes in. Jahil, misguided, ignorant, primitive or whatever else you might call them, their is one thing that we must recognise that (a) they are 'from the masses' and (b) they represent a 'protest rejection' of the status quo.
If the elitist establishment had not been as corrupt, incompetent, nepotistic, fascist and exploitative, the so-called Taleban (better use the term 'islamic militant' although it is also not accurate) would never have come into existence, and the claim T32 makes would be perfectly valid and applicable. (T32 says that the mullah does not get any vote, Romair says the same, and I agree totally.)
If there is a 'bloody revolution' -- which could very likely happen one day -- it will not come through a popular vote. Neither the Bolshviks of Petrograd nor the Ayatullah's of Qum came in through a popular vote. The people will accept the militants one day, not because they are Islamic fundamentalists, but because the people shall have been totally exhausted, tapped out, discouraged and dejected by the perpetual and repeated deceit and exploitation of the imperialist-feudal-colonial-aristocratic luch-bazi that passes for governance in our on-again off-again pseudo-democratic pseudo-dictatorial system of plutocratic kleptocracy.
A day will come when violent convulsion will punctuate routine life and spontaneous mobs will unexpectedly materialize out of thin air like summer thunderstorms. Those who will be unfortunate to get caught at the wrong time in the wrong place will pay the price. Everyone who wears western trousers, speaks English and rides in a car will be a legitimate target of those mobs. The mob will make no distinction between Urstruly, T32 and Muhammad Hamid.
So go ahead and masturbate all you can about the pros and cons of this versus that party or system or election or selection of whatever else the fuck you want to split hairs about, none of it matters. It is ALL bullshit. You guys are so far, far, far removed from the grass root reality that you have no inkling. I am also just as far away, if truth be told, but I have seen things that I had only heard of before. My new-found perspective comes from the past few months that I have spent witnessing first hand the real problem of life among the real people of Pakistan. I have not seen anything I didn't know existed and hadn't heard of. But knowing and hearing is one thing and actually being ankle deep in mud and much and going through the gali, mohallahs and kachi abadis, and nomadic jhuggi-jhompri settlements and the disease ridden squalor of villages and talking to young and old has literally opened my eyes.
I can tell you with certainty that ALL of this political talk is irrelevant bull shit. It's nonsense crap and it belongs only to an artificial thin 'epidermal' layer of Pakistani population. The remaining 99% have no stake in any of this rubbish.
...SR
#182 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 10:08:16 am
There is overwhelming possiblity that the lawyers and civil society's struggle to establish rule of law will fail miserably. The reason is that that they are barking the wrong tree. The burai ki jaR in this whole debacle is the napak fouj; there is a strong possibility that GHQ might have hand in this mini civil war in order to divert attention from itself. Unless and until Pakistani nation realize that they must inflict a humiliating defeat to the haramkhor fouj and drag the bastards in the streets of Pakistan no revolution will ever be successful. Marg bar fouj - is the way to the revolution.
And yes the people, whom Shankar pointed out, are waiting in the ambush - they know very well that ghee seedhee ungli se nahin nikle ga.
#181 Posted by nb on March 15, 2009 10:00:09 am
Tahmed, there was a movement for independence in India for several decades, they didn't teach it to you in school, but it existed.
You are partially right. Pakistanis got Pakistan without sacrifice.
You are partially right. Pakistanis got Pakistan without sacrifice.
#180 Posted by shankar on March 15, 2009 9:39:42 am
Romair,
If a country self destructs, there is always someone, waiting in the wings. That someone has to be ruthless, fanatical & well organized.
The Nazis in Germany & the Bolsheviks in Russia, didnt start the revolutions--the peasants did.
So if it self destructs, who is it going to be?
If a country self destructs, there is always someone, waiting in the wings. That someone has to be ruthless, fanatical & well organized.
The Nazis in Germany & the Bolsheviks in Russia, didnt start the revolutions--the peasants did.
So if it self destructs, who is it going to be?
#179 Posted by _ar_jun70 on March 15, 2009 9:39:33 am
#175 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 9:07:11 am
you pakis keep parroting the line about religious leaders not winning seats but nobody is buying it...
ahmedis were declared non-muslim in bhutto's rule...
paki self-delusion meets reality...reality melts away(in paki minds)...
you pakis keep parroting the line about religious leaders not winning seats but nobody is buying it...
ahmedis were declared non-muslim in bhutto's rule...
paki self-delusion meets reality...reality melts away(in paki minds)...
#178 Posted by _ar_jun70 on March 15, 2009 9:38:10 am
so pakiland gets props for trying to pull itself out of a ditch...the ditch it drove itself into?
prophetboy...seriously??
in nay case, prophetboy keeps telling us india is a caste ridden society and pakiland's not...so how did the non-caste ridden society of pakiland, blessed as it is with the greatest religion in the world, turn out this way...
prophetboy...seriously??
in nay case, prophetboy keeps telling us india is a caste ridden society and pakiland's not...so how did the non-caste ridden society of pakiland, blessed as it is with the greatest religion in the world, turn out this way...
#177 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 9:25:31 am
anil #: "PML-N, and Sharif Pehalwans’ shenanigans and calls to rebel are making a mockery of the democratic institution...."
...people know nawaz sharif is an opportunist.....
what you are seeing now has nothing to do with nawaz sharif...this is a true blue civil society movement, led by lawyers and the media......and supported across the board, in pakistan's lower and middle class.....
....nawaz sharif will be dumped the moment he changes his stance from supporting a free judiciary......nawaz sharif is part of the same elite power grabbing crowd that musharraf and zardari belong to.....however, he seems to have learnt his lesson.....and he seems to have realized that pakistani politics is changing......
ppp has realized also.....as has the army.....zardari is the only one who is digging in his heels......the loyalist old ppp guard is dumping zardari......
zardari is basically a businessman....he is probably rapidly securing his off-shore accounts....once that is done, he will quitely step out of the picture.....
normally, under such situations, the ppp workers take on the pml workers......and vice-versa.....there are no ppp workers to be seen.......they are also against zardari and support this movement......
...people know nawaz sharif is an opportunist.....
what you are seeing now has nothing to do with nawaz sharif...this is a true blue civil society movement, led by lawyers and the media......and supported across the board, in pakistan's lower and middle class.....
....nawaz sharif will be dumped the moment he changes his stance from supporting a free judiciary......nawaz sharif is part of the same elite power grabbing crowd that musharraf and zardari belong to.....however, he seems to have learnt his lesson.....and he seems to have realized that pakistani politics is changing......
ppp has realized also.....as has the army.....zardari is the only one who is digging in his heels......the loyalist old ppp guard is dumping zardari......
zardari is basically a businessman....he is probably rapidly securing his off-shore accounts....once that is done, he will quitely step out of the picture.....
normally, under such situations, the ppp workers take on the pml workers......and vice-versa.....there are no ppp workers to be seen.......they are also against zardari and support this movement......
#176 Posted by bulleya on March 15, 2009 9:18:50 am
shankar #: "if "civil society" is fighting amongst themselves like this...maulana Urstruly's vision of the future looks terrifyingly possible....Those guys are waiting on the sidelines,chuckling, while you self destruct."
....maulana urstruly's version isn't going to happen.....no maulana's version is going to happen.....pakistan is not a maulana state....specifically sind and punjab....they are, historically, as anti-maulana as any area i have come across....
having said that, pakistan could still self-destruct.....not because of maulanas.....but because of the peasant vs. the affluent......pakistan is a hugely elitist society.....everyone you see on chowk, including me (and urstruly), is a part of this elitist crowd....we are, statistically part of the less than 1% of pakistan.....
....what you are seeing in pakistan, now, is genuine...it is the middle class waking up and fighting back......pakistani politics is moving from the elitist corrupt rural feudal and pir to the urban corrupt industrialist and businessman......
let's see where it settles down......in this whole scenario, the maulana is nowhere......he can barely win a seat.....(having said that the peasants could rise up, militantly, via a taliban type revolution.....but that will not be due to religion).......
....maulana urstruly's version isn't going to happen.....no maulana's version is going to happen.....pakistan is not a maulana state....specifically sind and punjab....they are, historically, as anti-maulana as any area i have come across....
having said that, pakistan could still self-destruct.....not because of maulanas.....but because of the peasant vs. the affluent......pakistan is a hugely elitist society.....everyone you see on chowk, including me (and urstruly), is a part of this elitist crowd....we are, statistically part of the less than 1% of pakistan.....
....what you are seeing in pakistan, now, is genuine...it is the middle class waking up and fighting back......pakistani politics is moving from the elitist corrupt rural feudal and pir to the urban corrupt industrialist and businessman......
let's see where it settles down......in this whole scenario, the maulana is nowhere......he can barely win a seat.....(having said that the peasants could rise up, militantly, via a taliban type revolution.....but that will not be due to religion).......
#175 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 9:07:11 am
shankar #174 on the contrary, far from self-destruct, Pakistan is emerging stronger than ever. and urstruly's vision of mullah-rule was possible only under a dictatorship - in elections pakistanis have routinely inflicted humiliating defeats to mullahs. so you should be celebrating this day with all Pakistanis.
PS: and to add icing on the cake, mukhataran mai (rape victim ridiculed by the scoundrel musharraf) got married yesterday.
PS: and to add icing on the cake, mukhataran mai (rape victim ridiculed by the scoundrel musharraf) got married yesterday.
#174 Posted by shankar on March 15, 2009 8:43:56 am
But on a serious note...I hate to say it, but if "civil society" is fighting amongst themselves like this...maulana Urstruly's vision of the future looks terrifyingly possible.
Those guys are waiting on the sidelines,chuckling, while you self destruct.
Those guys are waiting on the sidelines,chuckling, while you self destruct.
#173 Posted by shankar on March 15, 2009 8:39:43 am
Tahmed,
OK..much better..Jeeze, in 167 you sounded like a hindu, who, after taking a swig of cow urine...saying "at least I'm feeling sanctified!"...:))
OK..much better..Jeeze, in 167 you sounded like a hindu, who, after taking a swig of cow urine...saying "at least I'm feeling sanctified!"...:))
#172 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 8:34:38 am
shankar #171 OK, let me put it more accurately - both india and pakistan got freedom handed to them on a platter (as opposed, e.g., to the centuries long struggle the brits had to go through to get their freedomss, or the years/decades long struggles of numerous other nations like the US, france.
In India, to their great credit, the military generals stayed out of politics and, to their great credit, indian politicians took the freedom from the platter and rn with it. In pakistan, otoh, the politicans and later the military merely took the platter and kept it for themselves.
And today, Pakistanis are fighting to snatch back this freedom from the generals, waderas, ghoondas that hamidm admires so much.
In India, to their great credit, the military generals stayed out of politics and, to their great credit, indian politicians took the freedom from the platter and rn with it. In pakistan, otoh, the politicans and later the military merely took the platter and kept it for themselves.
And today, Pakistanis are fighting to snatch back this freedom from the generals, waderas, ghoondas that hamidm admires so much.
#171 Posted by shankar on March 15, 2009 8:24:38 am
tahmed,
""Pakistanis are getting freedom the old-fashioned way - they are earning it. Unlike you Indians who got it on a platter from the british.""
Woah! Wait a sec, we both inherited British institutions. To achieve a functional democracy in a country that has a relatively small population,that has 1 religion, a similar culture (to a large degree) in the entire country should be easy.
ie...easier than maintaining democracy in diverse nation, of a billion people, with every single religion & a largely varied culture.
No matter how flawed Indian democracy is...its much better than this bullshit..
Inheriting democracy from the British is the easy part. 61 yrs of Pakistani "maintenance" of democracy makes Indians feel they've achieved a miracle.
""Pakistanis are getting freedom the old-fashioned way - they are earning it. Unlike you Indians who got it on a platter from the british.""
Woah! Wait a sec, we both inherited British institutions. To achieve a functional democracy in a country that has a relatively small population,that has 1 religion, a similar culture (to a large degree) in the entire country should be easy.
ie...easier than maintaining democracy in diverse nation, of a billion people, with every single religion & a largely varied culture.
No matter how flawed Indian democracy is...its much better than this bullshit..
Inheriting democracy from the British is the easy part. 61 yrs of Pakistani "maintenance" of democracy makes Indians feel they've achieved a miracle.
#170 Posted by Urstruly on March 15, 2009 8:07:52 am
Re: # 154
You moron get an education - We have managed to run a sub-continent for 1000 years. Your way of thinking is so typical of ghulamzada and haramzadas who look towards roos and amrika to help them run their own country. This kind of inferiority complex is the fate of your kind - the chaprasees of roos and amrika. It is time to get rid of foreign chaprasees from our country - get lost and good riddance.
You moron get an education - We have managed to run a sub-continent for 1000 years. Your way of thinking is so typical of ghulamzada and haramzadas who look towards roos and amrika to help them run their own country. This kind of inferiority complex is the fate of your kind - the chaprasees of roos and amrika. It is time to get rid of foreign chaprasees from our country - get lost and good riddance.
#169 Posted by hammadbajwa on March 15, 2009 7:08:24 am
Pakistanis are caught between "idealism and realism" a quest for absolute rule of law. This dream cannot be achieved in a single day just like aparthied was not removed in a day. It will take years of public watch and scrutiny before we will finally have an idealist scenario. Till then we have to move very carefully ensuring that we do not bring the whole house down....
#168 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 6:14:52 am
anil sahib: You obviously have a lot to learn about democracy.
#167 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 6:13:24 am
#166 you wish.
Pakistanis are getting freedom the old-fashioned way - they are earning it. Unlike you Indians who got it on a platter from the british.
Pakistanis are getting freedom the old-fashioned way - they are earning it. Unlike you Indians who got it on a platter from the british.
#165 Posted by anil on March 15, 2009 6:03:08 am
Last year, Pakistan got an elected government after 8 years of dictatorship. PML-N, and Sharif Pehalwans’ shenanigans and calls to rebel are making a mockery of the democratic institution. He did that in 1990s by raiding the Supreme Court and disrupting its functioning. They are once again undermining democratic institution. PML-N should put forward a no confidence motion in the Parliament on the grounds that the Punjab government has been illegally dismissed. They should try to defeat the government in Parliament. If they lose no confidence motion, then at most in five years PML-N will have a chance to take their case public in elections.
PML-N actions clearly show that street protest, and call to rebel are winning and that Pakistan is exposing itself to foreign influence. Sharia in swat showed to some that Zardari was really trying to make an independent policy decision. Now he is being made to dance to foreign tunes, rather than politicians calling for rebellion. Nehru was quite firm is getting rid of communist government in Kerala, no one called for a rebellion or went to the U.S. or England to resolve this crisis. Nawaz Sharif is wrong. Pakistan’s democracy will have such diversity in governance and law from state to state. All politicians should respect and accept such diversity in Pakistan.
In this nascent democracy, Gen. Kiyani and ex-President Musharraff (I know he is not popular in Pakistan) have a role to play to defend the democracy. They should make these politicians battle it out in Parliament. Too much Punjabi Pride is hurt, otherwise Nawaz Sharif should see an alliance with Musharraff. Indira Gandhi did that to get back in power after she was thrown in Jail. She sent Chaudhary Charan Singh flowers from jail, and was able to convince his to throw his support behind her. This is politics and Pehalwans need to look east of border for some ideas on how to play politics.
#164 Posted by nkg on March 15, 2009 5:59:35 am
JayP...
you know who are the real stupid in this whole drama?
24X7 indian news channels...before preaching to Pakis, we need to clean our house....
you know who are the real stupid in this whole drama?
24X7 indian news channels...before preaching to Pakis, we need to clean our house....
#163 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2009 5:05:47 am
hamidm: maybe urstruly doesnt want to meet you because he is worried that the two of you getting together would constitute a critical mass of gas.
#162 Posted by jayp on March 15, 2009 12:31:48 am
Educating pakistanis.
Take it from me..the only reason why nawaz wants the CJ back is to ensure that NRO is declared void and mushy is tried.
It is only the pakis who believe that restoration of CJ will improve the paki image are supporting the long march. For the poor hungry pakis, this is just another lump off grass in their food.
Do not forget the words of zulfi...we will have the bomb and we will eat grass.
Take it from me..the only reason why nawaz wants the CJ back is to ensure that NRO is declared void and mushy is tried.
It is only the pakis who believe that restoration of CJ will improve the paki image are supporting the long march. For the poor hungry pakis, this is just another lump off grass in their food.
Do not forget the words of zulfi...we will have the bomb and we will eat grass.
#161 Posted by jayp on March 15, 2009 12:17:33 am
A mans vision - the path of pakistan
Many on the chowk are busy speculating about the political turns in pakistan. There is nothing new here, it is merely a repeat of what has been in the past, the zulfi who turned a dictator, the benazir who turned into a corrupt dictator, the nawaz who became a jihadi with the sharia laws...
There is an underlying theme in all of teh above..the steady march of the country into a jihadi state,
The fata and swat have been formally surrendered, the jihadis are at the door of Peshawar.
The madrassas continue to produce the jihadis, half join the taliban..the other half is with the army. Increasingly the paki army will not fight the taliban simply because the soldiers are refusing. The only institution of pakistan, the paki army is now totally jihadic.
In a short time large sections of the army will defect to taliban. That is when pakiland will be de-nuked. Re-sizing of pakistan is the only option for the world.
Many on the chowk are busy speculating about the political turns in pakistan. There is nothing new here, it is merely a repeat of what has been in the past, the zulfi who turned a dictator, the benazir who turned into a corrupt dictator, the nawaz who became a jihadi with the sharia laws...
There is an underlying theme in all of teh above..the steady march of the country into a jihadi state,
The fata and swat have been formally surrendered, the jihadis are at the door of Peshawar.
The madrassas continue to produce the jihadis, half join the taliban..the other half is with the army. Increasingly the paki army will not fight the taliban simply because the soldiers are refusing. The only institution of pakistan, the paki army is now totally jihadic.
In a short time large sections of the army will defect to taliban. That is when pakiland will be de-nuked. Re-sizing of pakistan is the only option for the world.
#160 Posted by jayp on March 14, 2009 11:54:12 pm
Thank you zardari
Good to see that the long march has become homestay. The march is not by the civil society, there is no such thing in pakistan. There is no one who talks about hoodood ordinance, no one cares about the blasphemy laws, and none of this lawyers talks about the ahmadias, and none of the educated who seek passport refuse the denigrate the ahmadias in the passport application for.. Good zardari, you have dealt with the barbarians they way they deserve.
These people, the so called civil society are simply a set of opportunists to unseat Zardari, teh so called CJ is so partisan that he should not have been made the CJ. He is teh same one who supported the doctrine of invetability abd legaised all the dictators. There is no law in pakistn, it is only sharia and there is no need to have a sacked CJ back. Long live Zardari, tell teh world the truth about pakistn, tell them that pakiland need strong dictators.
My dear Zardari, your days may be numbered, no one ..no one survives wrath of paki army. Look form bombs every where, look for gun men under the bed. Good luck my dear.
Good to see that the long march has become homestay. The march is not by the civil society, there is no such thing in pakistan. There is no one who talks about hoodood ordinance, no one cares about the blasphemy laws, and none of this lawyers talks about the ahmadias, and none of the educated who seek passport refuse the denigrate the ahmadias in the passport application for.. Good zardari, you have dealt with the barbarians they way they deserve.
These people, the so called civil society are simply a set of opportunists to unseat Zardari, teh so called CJ is so partisan that he should not have been made the CJ. He is teh same one who supported the doctrine of invetability abd legaised all the dictators. There is no law in pakistn, it is only sharia and there is no need to have a sacked CJ back. Long live Zardari, tell teh world the truth about pakistn, tell them that pakiland need strong dictators.
My dear Zardari, your days may be numbered, no one ..no one survives wrath of paki army. Look form bombs every where, look for gun men under the bed. Good luck my dear.
#159 Posted by tahir on March 14, 2009 10:35:06 pm
Re: # 155
Anil,
" Which energy drink did you take to revitalize your mind and body?"
Definitely not Red Bull-shit but probably Chowq Cola!
:)
Anil,
" Which energy drink did you take to revitalize your mind and body?"
Definitely not Red Bull-shit but probably Chowq Cola!
:)
#158 Posted by akcheema on March 14, 2009 10:29:54 pm
Re: # 143; hamidm sahib
[[i just seek the destruction of political islam - the perfidious ideology ]]
my sentiments exactly sir ... as long as someone is prepared to live and behave like a "bandey da puttar" he can believe in the tooth fairy or the first pot noodle as his saviour for all I care
and masadi sahib is on a roll!! ... some hope there afterall
[[i just seek the destruction of political islam - the perfidious ideology ]]
my sentiments exactly sir ... as long as someone is prepared to live and behave like a "bandey da puttar" he can believe in the tooth fairy or the first pot noodle as his saviour for all I care
and masadi sahib is on a roll!! ... some hope there afterall
#157 Posted by Zeena on March 14, 2009 8:30:17 pm
When President becomes dracula or dajal?
Blood thirsty Dracula , The Vampire who has become extremely blood thirsty and is in his full bloom of sucking the blood of poor Pakistanis.
This Dracula, the Vampire sucked so many different types of blood including his own wife's blood.
I am sure he won't hesitate to suck his own kids blood who are next in line of being his victims.
All Pakistanis are his victims.........
Now, the big time question is how to ward off this Dracula? Or may be he is not Dracula, he is DAJAL of Pakistan.
Blood thirsty Dracula , The Vampire who has become extremely blood thirsty and is in his full bloom of sucking the blood of poor Pakistanis.
This Dracula, the Vampire sucked so many different types of blood including his own wife's blood.
I am sure he won't hesitate to suck his own kids blood who are next in line of being his victims.
All Pakistanis are his victims.........
Now, the big time question is how to ward off this Dracula? Or may be he is not Dracula, he is DAJAL of Pakistan.
#155 Posted by anil on March 14, 2009 8:28:07 pm
Masadi Mian:
You are in full form. Which energy drink did you take to revitalize your mind and body?
You are in full form. Which energy drink did you take to revitalize your mind and body?
#154 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 7:44:37 pm
correction: in other words if they can't manage a 4X6 bathroom how will they manage an entire country..
#153 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 7:43:06 pm
...in other words if they can't manage and 4X6 bathroom how will they manage an either country....as is famously recalled by Pakistanis, ZAB was talking about setting up a steel mill and they wanted halwa factories, and then banded with the napak fauj to hang the only true leader we had....may the rats eat their privates as they eat halwa....
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#152 Posted by bubba on March 14, 2009 7:41:18 pm
Re: # 135 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 3:53:21 pm
Hamid mian,
[.. now if we can cure your schizophrenia about the us elite and zionist conspiracies, you and i could be drinking buddies ..]
Be careful what you wish for......
Hamid mian,
[.. now if we can cure your schizophrenia about the us elite and zionist conspiracies, you and i could be drinking buddies ..]
Be careful what you wish for......
#151 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 7:40:12 pm
....much like the symbiotic relationship between Osama and the Bushes, Jihadists and the Americans...Israel and Hamas...
These thugs want to turn the country into a ecology that matches the "masjid" bathrooms they frequent. Visit one next time you are in Pakistan, it will be a sociological experiment like no other.....may the stench be with you....
TNITC masadi
These thugs want to turn the country into a ecology that matches the "masjid" bathrooms they frequent. Visit one next time you are in Pakistan, it will be a sociological experiment like no other.....may the stench be with you....
TNITC masadi
#150 Posted by bubba on March 14, 2009 7:38:44 pm
Re: # 139 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 4:53:52 pm
"Finally, you don't even have shoes on your feet or a brain in your skull, how can you have any empire under it?"
But, to get to his heaven, does he need a brain? or for that matter any shoes?
"Finally, you don't even have shoes on your feet or a brain in your skull, how can you have any empire under it?"
But, to get to his heaven, does he need a brain? or for that matter any shoes?
#149 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 7:22:46 pm
Re: # 148
urstruly,
.... but seriously, why did you refuse to meet me all those years ....... i could have saved you from suffering in a dark and damp cave without any prospects of becoming a prophet and you could have saved my soul from going to hell in a bottle of jack daniels ............ it could have been the perfect symbiotic relatiionship ....
urstruly,
.... but seriously, why did you refuse to meet me all those years ....... i could have saved you from suffering in a dark and damp cave without any prospects of becoming a prophet and you could have saved my soul from going to hell in a bottle of jack daniels ............ it could have been the perfect symbiotic relatiionship ....
#148 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 7:12:13 pm
Re: # 147
Hamidm the house nigger's sonet to his soulmate masadi the ruski:
Aa bubul mil kar karaiN aah-o-zaariaN
Main pukaroon hai amrika tou pukaray hai roos.
Hamidm the house nigger's sonet to his soulmate masadi the ruski:
Aa bubul mil kar karaiN aah-o-zaariaN
Main pukaroon hai amrika tou pukaray hai roos.
#147 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 7:06:13 pm
Re: # 146
my dear masadi mian,
.... i hate to disappoint you but urstruly's asylum petition was rejected and he left michigan for a cave on the pak-afghan border ......... for many years i tried to set up a face to face meeting with him, but for some reason he kept on turning me down week after week ..... i wonder why, since i offered to buy him all the shirley temples he could drink ...... these mullahs are strange people
your friend,
hamidm
my dear masadi mian,
.... i hate to disappoint you but urstruly's asylum petition was rejected and he left michigan for a cave on the pak-afghan border ......... for many years i tried to set up a face to face meeting with him, but for some reason he kept on turning me down week after week ..... i wonder why, since i offered to buy him all the shirley temples he could drink ...... these mullahs are strange people
your friend,
hamidm
#146 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 6:59:56 pm
#144 Urstruly, sorry to burst your bubble Captain Kirk but those living on chanda of the Middle Classes don't get to call the shots let alone represent the hard working masses- you thugs haven't seen an honest day's work ever since the military put you all on their payroll. You are the kinds of thugs that tried to silence both Jesus and Muhammed and in the end the guillotine fell on your goddamned brainless heads....Have a nice day and enjoy your "farting" about "our country" while comfortably sitting in the USA, moron.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#145 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 6:59:07 pm
Re: # 144
urstruly mian,
..... i don't know which middle class you are talking about, but most folks i talk to are sick and tired of this dramabazi and don't trust the pehalwans of gowalmandi any more than they trust the kleptomaniac ...... the activist lawyers are tha only guys who might hold out for a few days, but they too will be thrown a bone with some meat on it ....... most of 'civil society 'realizes that the real threat are the men who hike up their shalwars and the breeders who escaped from lal masjid ...........
... i think chaudhary shujaat might be on to something with his idea of a national unity government .... he doesn't want to be left out of the bandar baant, but it is not a bad idea and i am sure fazloo, altaph bhai and asfandyar might agree ..... the only people who will hold out are those who don't have a vote bank - the mullahs and imran khan ........
urstruly mian,
..... i don't know which middle class you are talking about, but most folks i talk to are sick and tired of this dramabazi and don't trust the pehalwans of gowalmandi any more than they trust the kleptomaniac ...... the activist lawyers are tha only guys who might hold out for a few days, but they too will be thrown a bone with some meat on it ....... most of 'civil society 'realizes that the real threat are the men who hike up their shalwars and the breeders who escaped from lal masjid ...........
... i think chaudhary shujaat might be on to something with his idea of a national unity government .... he doesn't want to be left out of the bandar baant, but it is not a bad idea and i am sure fazloo, altaph bhai and asfandyar might agree ..... the only people who will hold out are those who don't have a vote bank - the mullahs and imran khan ........
#144 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 6:49:33 pm
Re: # 143
I have no comment about your recycled stuff in the first paragraph but about the comment in ps. I would like to add that for the first time in the history of Pakistan the so called "unwashed" are not alone. I also agree that the leeches will try to go back to their usual business of sucking blood after bandar baant but its going to be a very short stint. The first wave of offensive on behalf of "unwashed" masses is the middle class pakistan aka civil society - if they fail - then the second wave of offensive will follow. That wave will be that of firing squads and guillotines. Things have changed now after the corrupt pro-western ruling elite decalred war on people of Paksitan by the Lal Masjid and Islamabad school girl massacre. There is no turning back now. Its going to be excrutiating and painful for your kind. Even Babrak Karmal held his ground for three years but ultimately was hung at the barrel of a Ruski tank.
So my advise to all chaprasees of West is that it is time that they cut their loses and get lost from our country.
I have no comment about your recycled stuff in the first paragraph but about the comment in ps. I would like to add that for the first time in the history of Pakistan the so called "unwashed" are not alone. I also agree that the leeches will try to go back to their usual business of sucking blood after bandar baant but its going to be a very short stint. The first wave of offensive on behalf of "unwashed" masses is the middle class pakistan aka civil society - if they fail - then the second wave of offensive will follow. That wave will be that of firing squads and guillotines. Things have changed now after the corrupt pro-western ruling elite decalred war on people of Paksitan by the Lal Masjid and Islamabad school girl massacre. There is no turning back now. Its going to be excrutiating and painful for your kind. Even Babrak Karmal held his ground for three years but ultimately was hung at the barrel of a Ruski tank.
So my advise to all chaprasees of West is that it is time that they cut their loses and get lost from our country.
#143 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 6:30:05 pm
Re: # 142
urstruly mian,
.... i do not seek the destruction of muslims - mrs hamidm is a muslim and so are most of my friends and family ....... i just seek the destruction of political islam - the perfidious ideology established by mo of mecca and the abominable four that followed him ....... with a few minor modifications such as permitting the consumption of liquor and the disestablishment of five times a day salat, islam can be a fine religion - certainly better than the creepy stuff practiced by the horrible hindoos ........
masadi mian zindabad!
p.s. don't worry about the current mess in pakistan .... in a few days after the bandar baant everyone will get their piece of halwa and go about the business of looting and pillaging the suckers who vote for them ....... the real loosers are these unwashed masses who deserve what they are getting ..........
urstruly mian,
.... i do not seek the destruction of muslims - mrs hamidm is a muslim and so are most of my friends and family ....... i just seek the destruction of political islam - the perfidious ideology established by mo of mecca and the abominable four that followed him ....... with a few minor modifications such as permitting the consumption of liquor and the disestablishment of five times a day salat, islam can be a fine religion - certainly better than the creepy stuff practiced by the horrible hindoos ........
masadi mian zindabad!
p.s. don't worry about the current mess in pakistan .... in a few days after the bandar baant everyone will get their piece of halwa and go about the business of looting and pillaging the suckers who vote for them ....... the real loosers are these unwashed masses who deserve what they are getting ..........
#142 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 5:05:13 pm
Re: # 141
All credit goes to me - didn't you guys had a little "difference of opinion" before, which in Punjabi is called "itt kuttay da vair" and now see how both ghulamzadas have found a common ground - the destruction of Muslims, that is.
All credit goes to me - didn't you guys had a little "difference of opinion" before, which in Punjabi is called "itt kuttay da vair" and now see how both ghulamzadas have found a common ground - the destruction of Muslims, that is.
#141 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 5:00:15 pm
.... i like the new and improved masadi! ..... he is still a little miffed at us because we didn't give him tenure at queens community college, but he sure can sock it to the mullahs!
masadi mian zindabad!
#140 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 4:57:27 pm
Re: # 135 hay Beavis, I thought you and the Butthead were an item now -what gives.
#139 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 4:53:52 pm
Urstruly writes "And don't forget your empire is under our feet. We dismantled it."
First it was not "my" empire, it was not even a communist empire. It was just as much a part of the capitalist "war economy" as the US, playing its games.
Second, you had no part in the afghan/soviet war, the napak fauj had a bigger role than you as did the USA.
Third, 1.5 Million Afghans killed with over 2 million refugees, compared to 13,310 Soviet casualties, does not sound like much of victory to me
Fourth, The Soviet Union's collapse had nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan period. That is part of US propaganda to covert your type of third rate, cave grovelling thugs into a major enemy for mainstreaming.
Finally, you don't even have shoes on your feet or a brain in your skull, how can you have any empire under it?
TNITC masadi
First it was not "my" empire, it was not even a communist empire. It was just as much a part of the capitalist "war economy" as the US, playing its games.
Second, you had no part in the afghan/soviet war, the napak fauj had a bigger role than you as did the USA.
Third, 1.5 Million Afghans killed with over 2 million refugees, compared to 13,310 Soviet casualties, does not sound like much of victory to me
Fourth, The Soviet Union's collapse had nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan period. That is part of US propaganda to covert your type of third rate, cave grovelling thugs into a major enemy for mainstreaming.
Finally, you don't even have shoes on your feet or a brain in your skull, how can you have any empire under it?
TNITC masadi
#138 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 4:45:35 pm
Urstruly the only thing you own is your dirty shalwar and the few rocks in your pocket with which you do your business, other than that even the language you use is not "owned" by you, it was predetermined as is the world in which your dirty eyes first opened. Those that give ownership are the ones that control definitions around the globe, and they are the ones you and your fellow thugs are serving, the U.S. elite. Like it or not your hero Osama is a gigolo for the West...and so are you.....do some "thunking" on that moron...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#137 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 4:40:06 pm
Re: # 134
Ownership is not given by someone it is taken and assumed. Blood have flown and still flowing from Chitral to Kaeachi to finally get rid of the chaprasees of west. And don't forget your empire is under our feet. We dismantled it. US can do shit. It shows in Iraq and Afghanistan where armies of 38 most violent nations, who have had "monopoly on violence for the past 500 years" (quoting another commie loser - Naom Chomsky) in the world have come to oppress Muslims and they are now halfway there where the empire your served, went - the gutter of history.
Ownership is not given by someone it is taken and assumed. Blood have flown and still flowing from Chitral to Kaeachi to finally get rid of the chaprasees of west. And don't forget your empire is under our feet. We dismantled it. US can do shit. It shows in Iraq and Afghanistan where armies of 38 most violent nations, who have had "monopoly on violence for the past 500 years" (quoting another commie loser - Naom Chomsky) in the world have come to oppress Muslims and they are now halfway there where the empire your served, went - the gutter of history.
#136 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 4:37:52 pm
hamid writes ". does this mean that you agree with me that musharraf should have blown those witches of lal masjid to smithereens and that we should impose a tax on beards and execute anyone with the mark of the devil on his forehead ???"
No you moron, we need proper schools for women and men, not those David Koresh wannabe mullahs, and the Pakistan Army whose excrement Musharraf was is responsible for doing that to our women and men. The massacre was perpetrated both by the army and the urstruly type mullahs, it is not either or, it is both. They are both equal partners in the carnage. I want no part of the US shenanigans of this cat and mouse game between the army thugs and the mullah thugs in which they not only ruin the vast majority of Pakistanis for their personal BS, they damage Islam more so than anything the West can explicitly come up with. Both of their leader thugs should be put on asses paraded naked on the streets as people throw shoes at them as the Iraqi did on Bush.....
And you need to get over your addiction and do not denigrate the noblest book mankind ever laid their hands on...
TNITC masadi
No you moron, we need proper schools for women and men, not those David Koresh wannabe mullahs, and the Pakistan Army whose excrement Musharraf was is responsible for doing that to our women and men. The massacre was perpetrated both by the army and the urstruly type mullahs, it is not either or, it is both. They are both equal partners in the carnage. I want no part of the US shenanigans of this cat and mouse game between the army thugs and the mullah thugs in which they not only ruin the vast majority of Pakistanis for their personal BS, they damage Islam more so than anything the West can explicitly come up with. Both of their leader thugs should be put on asses paraded naked on the streets as people throw shoes at them as the Iraqi did on Bush.....
And you need to get over your addiction and do not denigrate the noblest book mankind ever laid their hands on...
TNITC masadi
#135 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 3:53:21 pm
Re: # 134
masadi mian,
.... who would have thunk - sorry, i mean thought - that you and i would be on the same side one of these days ........ does this mean that you agree with me that musharraf should have blown those witches of lal masjid to smithereens and that we should impose a tax on beards and execute anyone with the mark of the devil on his forehead ??? ... how come women don't have that mark ... but i digress ........
..... now if we can cure your schizophrenia about the us elite and zionist conspiracies, you and i could be drinking buddies ........
masadi mian,
.... who would have thunk - sorry, i mean thought - that you and i would be on the same side one of these days ........ does this mean that you agree with me that musharraf should have blown those witches of lal masjid to smithereens and that we should impose a tax on beards and execute anyone with the mark of the devil on his forehead ??? ... how come women don't have that mark ... but i digress ........
..... now if we can cure your schizophrenia about the us elite and zionist conspiracies, you and i could be drinking buddies ........
#134 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 2:51:49 pm
urstruly writes ""Whatever is happening today in Pakistan has in its foundation the blood of shaheeds of lal masjid. "
Leave it to these miserable mullah's to take "Ownership" of the revolution whenever others accomplish it for them. The U.S. is very happy to hand it to them once it occurs because they know what kind of miserable _____ these fools are. 3000 so-called "Arab Afghans" come to Afghanistan during the Soviet Afghan war, they don't fight worth shit and then they take "ownership" of the so-called victory in which 1.2 million Afghans were killed- like I said, the US is happy to give them ownership so it can extract mileage from these dumb f'cks, it did that in Iran, handed the revolution to the mullahs, and now the main symbol of the Global War on Terrorism, suicide bombings is being 'owned' by these mullah morons even though they are way down the list in perpetrating it for their sexual fantasies....
TNITC masadi
Leave it to these miserable mullah's to take "Ownership" of the revolution whenever others accomplish it for them. The U.S. is very happy to hand it to them once it occurs because they know what kind of miserable _____ these fools are. 3000 so-called "Arab Afghans" come to Afghanistan during the Soviet Afghan war, they don't fight worth shit and then they take "ownership" of the so-called victory in which 1.2 million Afghans were killed- like I said, the US is happy to give them ownership so it can extract mileage from these dumb f'cks, it did that in Iran, handed the revolution to the mullahs, and now the main symbol of the Global War on Terrorism, suicide bombings is being 'owned' by these mullah morons even though they are way down the list in perpetrating it for their sexual fantasies....
TNITC masadi
#133 Posted by masadi on March 14, 2009 2:41:22 pm
Urstruly writes "God! I am good. The commie loser and the recycling chaprasee of chowk are joining forces against yours truly? Who would have thunk? God! I am bad."
"Who would have thunk?'!!! Talk about the mullah making a damn fool of himself talking like a high school teenager from the boondocks, the few years he spent in the US cutting chickens at tyson's food and this is what he picked up and he thinks it's cool! Like I said these a-holes have no clue about anything, they are much impressed by all that is presented as Western, even though it might be the lifestyle of what the elite define as "white trash", and they are totally hypocritical where it comes to the so called "morals" they use to condemn others. Not only do they stink physically and look like neanderthals, their soul stinks and every word they speak makes me feel like puking. Once the americans are kicked out of Pakistan, it will be much easier to close down their shop and shut down their whore houses where they denigrate the name of God while claiming to worship him....
TNITC masadi
"Who would have thunk?'!!! Talk about the mullah making a damn fool of himself talking like a high school teenager from the boondocks, the few years he spent in the US cutting chickens at tyson's food and this is what he picked up and he thinks it's cool! Like I said these a-holes have no clue about anything, they are much impressed by all that is presented as Western, even though it might be the lifestyle of what the elite define as "white trash", and they are totally hypocritical where it comes to the so called "morals" they use to condemn others. Not only do they stink physically and look like neanderthals, their soul stinks and every word they speak makes me feel like puking. Once the americans are kicked out of Pakistan, it will be much easier to close down their shop and shut down their whore houses where they denigrate the name of God while claiming to worship him....
TNITC masadi
#132 Posted by anil on March 14, 2009 2:36:10 pm
Re: # 124
"....hamidm: you removed Zardari as your latest master already??!! ...."
That is Hamidm sahib's most active board, and list the stocks of the most active. You can start a stock exchange around the most actives.
"....hamidm: you removed Zardari as your latest master already??!! ...."
That is Hamidm sahib's most active board, and list the stocks of the most active. You can start a stock exchange around the most actives.
#131 Posted by giani_240 on March 14, 2009 2:32:05 pm
did i miss the post that all this was an Indian consipracy?
How can you Pakis miss the Indian hand in all of this ?
:)
giani
How can you Pakis miss the Indian hand in all of this ?
:)
giani
#130 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 2:27:05 pm
Re: # 129
Oye, rondi yaaraN nu lay lay ke naan bhravan da. The progeny of iblees that you are calling for help are the one who got us into this mess in the first place. You and your ilk worked very hard for them to make it happen - now there you have it. Have you had been sincere to this nation, we wouldn't have to go through all this. Its harvest time.
Oye, rondi yaaraN nu lay lay ke naan bhravan da. The progeny of iblees that you are calling for help are the one who got us into this mess in the first place. You and your ilk worked very hard for them to make it happen - now there you have it. Have you had been sincere to this nation, we wouldn't have to go through all this. Its harvest time.
#129 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 2:14:57 pm
....... the circus continues as the clowns pile in and out of the car :
"ISLAMABAD: Federal Government has decided to restore the deposed judges in the light of Charter of Democracy and to file a review petition in Supreme Court on disqualification of Sharif brothers."
.......... now what? ..... somebody , anybody, please send a drone to kill these clowns and end this miserable drama ! ......
..... hillary help us! ... obama, richard holbrooke, admiral mullen ..... anybody ... pleeease help!
#128 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 2:07:41 pm
Re: # 126
bubba mian,
.... the frontier post has hit the nail on the head, but we pakis are in love with the idea of democracy shamocracy ...... some fool has told us that it is the best thing since sliced nan and we believe it, even though we can see the miserable folks next door who are dying on the railroad tracks in the 'world's largest democracy' ..... why don't we follow in the footsteps of china or morocco or, for that matter, egypt ..........
i miss musharraf - i wish the man had had the brass to be a real dictator ........ unfortunately, he was from delhi ....
bubba mian,
.... the frontier post has hit the nail on the head, but we pakis are in love with the idea of democracy shamocracy ...... some fool has told us that it is the best thing since sliced nan and we believe it, even though we can see the miserable folks next door who are dying on the railroad tracks in the 'world's largest democracy' ..... why don't we follow in the footsteps of china or morocco or, for that matter, egypt ..........
i miss musharraf - i wish the man had had the brass to be a real dictator ........ unfortunately, he was from delhi ....
#127 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 1:57:47 pm
Re: # 116
urstruly mian.
"Whatever is happening today in Pakistan has in its foundation the blood of shaheeds of lal masjid. "
.... what shaheeds! ...... hundreds of jihadi breeders - those ninja chicks with sticks - are still running around getting impregnated to produce the next crop of suiciders and homiciders ...... musharraf had the chance to kill those serpents in the egg but he let them go .... imbecile!
urstruly mian.
"Whatever is happening today in Pakistan has in its foundation the blood of shaheeds of lal masjid. "
.... what shaheeds! ...... hundreds of jihadi breeders - those ninja chicks with sticks - are still running around getting impregnated to produce the next crop of suiciders and homiciders ...... musharraf had the chance to kill those serpents in the egg but he let them go .... imbecile!
#126 Posted by bubba on March 14, 2009 1:01:01 pm
Hamid mian,
unwashed pakis wacki are going crazy..
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ed&nid=266
Ma king Zimbabwe of Pakistan
-----------------------------
Just why did zardari go to iran?
unwashed pakis wacki are going crazy..
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ed&nid=266
Ma king Zimbabwe of Pakistan
-----------------------------
Just why did zardari go to iran?
#125 Posted by bubba on March 14, 2009 12:42:52 pm
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/03/09/aitzaz-song-for-rule-of-law/
#124 Posted by tahmed11 on March 14, 2009 10:22:29 am
hamidm: you removed Zardari as your latest master already??!!
#122 Posted by Kulharee on March 14, 2009 9:29:02 am
Shut UP Hasho, I was talking to Turly alone in response to his garbage.
#121 Posted by Hasho on March 14, 2009 9:25:16 am
"Many dozen Ahmadis were massacred in 74, and until the people who killed innocent Ahamdis are dragged in the streets of Pakistan like dog’s aulad that they are, nothing will change."
And thus guy was cheering the death of Palestinians in Gaza! He would support the killings of Iraqis, Iranis and Palestinians every step of the way!
And thus guy was cheering the death of Palestinians in Gaza! He would support the killings of Iraqis, Iranis and Palestinians every step of the way!
#120 Posted by _ar_jun70 on March 14, 2009 9:22:34 am
#116 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 9:01:44 am
go out on a limb and predict what'll happen in 3 months..go ahead...remember..with capt clueless on this thread, the bar is pretty low
go out on a limb and predict what'll happen in 3 months..go ahead...remember..with capt clueless on this thread, the bar is pretty low
#119 Posted by _ar_jun70 on March 14, 2009 9:21:00 am
#115 Posted by rf786 on March 14, 2009 8:52:14 am
Counting your chicks before they hatch is not a good strategy,
capt clueless' strategy goes way beyond counting chickens before the eggs have hatched...he's already chopped up onions for chicken biryani...
Counting your chicks before they hatch is not a good strategy,
capt clueless' strategy goes way beyond counting chickens before the eggs have hatched...he's already chopped up onions for chicken biryani...
#118 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 9:15:14 am
Re: # 117
Oye ghair Muslim akliyat, you don't have to tell us, we know very well how 5th columnist mirzais support and enforce foreign colonial agenda and how they willingly have become a tool to harm pakistan - and the tradition goes back to....
Oye ghair Muslim akliyat, you don't have to tell us, we know very well how 5th columnist mirzais support and enforce foreign colonial agenda and how they willingly have become a tool to harm pakistan - and the tradition goes back to....
#117 Posted by Kulharee on March 14, 2009 9:09:32 am
Many dozen Ahmadis were massacred in 74, and until the people who killed innocent Ahamdis are dragged in the streets of Pakistan like dog’s aulad that they are, nothing will change. It’s written all our the dirty walls of Pakistan. Islami kutays must be defeated. Amen. My estimate is that Pakistan will go to dogs in about 86 days, with its nukes under the US control and its people surviving eating dead rats. Inshalla.
Turly that was addressed to you specifically.
Turly that was addressed to you specifically.
#116 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2009 9:01:44 am
Three months. I'll give three months to the puppet that fouj and amrika will prop up to replace zardari. What is happening now pakistan has become bigger than zardari, fouj, amrika and nawaz sharif all put together. Try what you may but your failure has been written on the wall. Whatever is happening today in Pakistan has in its foundation the blood of shaheeds of lal masjid. It will not end until each and everyone responsible is zaleeled and dragged through the streets of Pakistan.
My vision is that that the napak fouj takes over. The people of Pakistan must defeat this najaiz aulaad of East India Company in the streets of Pakistan. If the corruption, lawlessness, and indignity is a serpent that has its fangs dug deep into the body of Pakistan, then fouj is the head of that serpent. Unless this head is crushed for good, it will keep injecting its poison in the veins of Quaid-e-Azam's Pakistan. Napak fouj - the najaiz aulad of colonialism - must be burried in the streets of Pakistan.
#115 Posted by rf786 on March 14, 2009 8:52:14 am
Re: # 101
Bulleya Jee
Counting your chicks before they hatch is not a good strategy, you could be disappointed.
Granted Mr. Zardari and Company have been caught on the wrong foot, but lets be patient, first round went to Sharif, second round has yet to start.
By the way, Pakistan continues to be a Federation where political parties participate in the process to determine the consensus opinion. Last time I checked, ANP had the majority vote in Frontier, and here u r "speculating" or wishing for IK and JI to form Government in the frontier. Not going to happen, best u hedge your bets.
Lastly, majority of Mojo's detest the Punjabi chauvinism of NS and Pindaal, so you can forget about that wet dream also.
Bulleya Jee
Counting your chicks before they hatch is not a good strategy, you could be disappointed.
Granted Mr. Zardari and Company have been caught on the wrong foot, but lets be patient, first round went to Sharif, second round has yet to start.
By the way, Pakistan continues to be a Federation where political parties participate in the process to determine the consensus opinion. Last time I checked, ANP had the majority vote in Frontier, and here u r "speculating" or wishing for IK and JI to form Government in the frontier. Not going to happen, best u hedge your bets.
Lastly, majority of Mojo's detest the Punjabi chauvinism of NS and Pindaal, so you can forget about that wet dream also.
#114 Posted by Hasho on March 14, 2009 7:58:59 am
I was in Pakistan during the last Feb elections. In a meeting with some informed people, I gathered that the army wanted and the US also to some extent supported the idea that PPP, PML(q), and the MQM form the government in the center. Given the circumstances of Benazir’s agreement with Musharraf and the US backing of the agreement, the scenario looked more plausible than anything else.
Later that day, I met with some journalists in Karachi and they believed that the PPP and PML(n) would form the government in the center. They reasoned that the PPP’s rank and file would not agree to work with the MQM and PML(q).
PPP quickly patched up with the MQM over its workers heads but was not able to overcome the workers resistance in Sindh over PML Q. The Sindhi workers consider the Chaudhrys of Gujarat were party to Bhutto’s murder.
Zardari went for the next best option which was a popular one too. His agreement with Nawaz served both parties well. Nawaz was desperate to get the Punjab government so there was no reason for him to not agree with Zardari and help the PPP at the center.
PPP and the establishment never considered the CJ reinstatement was a major issue among the political parties. In fact a concerted effort was made to keep the issue on the side. Zardari too believed that PMLn would come around to accepting the establishment position on this issue so he twice agreed to reinstate the CJ and twice reneged on it. This is ridiculous to assume that Zardari was or is afraid of the CJ. CJ has a prior history of working with the establishment like Zardari does and eventually both would have worked with each other.
The Issue was really the missing persons and the CJ’s insistence to release them on behalf of the Islamic parties. CJ’s sympathies with the rightwing in Pakistan are well known. It is also possible that CJ was using that issue to build support in the most vocal section in Pakistan politics-the Pakistani media. The Media in Pakistan is still under the Islamist control after Gen. Ayub and Gen. Yahya flushed out all left leaning, Nationalists, liberal journalists, and owners from the leading positions.
CJ’s position on missing persons was considered inimical by the army and there was no way the army would have allowed him back in the Supreme Court. Zardari and Nawaz both understood army’s position. Nawaz insisted on reinstatement to make Zardari’s position appear contrary to the public opinion to hurt him politically. The second idea was to make zardari’s partnership with the army untenable by forcing him on this issue.
That thing worked. Zardari lost credibility among the middleclass and the Media had no sympathy for him. Please recall that Nawaz before starting this march went to see Qazi Hussain of JI and immediately afterwards Rehman Malik (Zardari’s rep) visited Qazi Hussain too. (I hope people have read about the missing brief case question after the Rehmen Malik visit. Rehman came with a brief case with him to see Qazi Hussain and left without the brief case. A question was asked by some journalist and that infuriated Qazi Hussain.)
This was a little lengthy background.
I fully support Nawaz’s March and pressure on Zardari and I think if Zardari is as smart as he claims to be, he will take full advantage of the situation and deliver another blow to the army. But he is limited by his sycophantic nature. His power is important to him and he believes that good relations with the army and the US would keep him in power.
The US is not ruled by the Republican Party now and the influence that Benazir had on the Republican administration through Rice is no more. No one in Washington is listening to him and he is relying more and more on the Pak army and its relations with the Pentagon to stay in Power. He might survive this March but not for long!
Later that day, I met with some journalists in Karachi and they believed that the PPP and PML(n) would form the government in the center. They reasoned that the PPP’s rank and file would not agree to work with the MQM and PML(q).
PPP quickly patched up with the MQM over its workers heads but was not able to overcome the workers resistance in Sindh over PML Q. The Sindhi workers consider the Chaudhrys of Gujarat were party to Bhutto’s murder.
Zardari went for the next best option which was a popular one too. His agreement with Nawaz served both parties well. Nawaz was desperate to get the Punjab government so there was no reason for him to not agree with Zardari and help the PPP at the center.
PPP and the establishment never considered the CJ reinstatement was a major issue among the political parties. In fact a concerted effort was made to keep the issue on the side. Zardari too believed that PMLn would come around to accepting the establishment position on this issue so he twice agreed to reinstate the CJ and twice reneged on it. This is ridiculous to assume that Zardari was or is afraid of the CJ. CJ has a prior history of working with the establishment like Zardari does and eventually both would have worked with each other.
The Issue was really the missing persons and the CJ’s insistence to release them on behalf of the Islamic parties. CJ’s sympathies with the rightwing in Pakistan are well known. It is also possible that CJ was using that issue to build support in the most vocal section in Pakistan politics-the Pakistani media. The Media in Pakistan is still under the Islamist control after Gen. Ayub and Gen. Yahya flushed out all left leaning, Nationalists, liberal journalists, and owners from the leading positions.
CJ’s position on missing persons was considered inimical by the army and there was no way the army would have allowed him back in the Supreme Court. Zardari and Nawaz both understood army’s position. Nawaz insisted on reinstatement to make Zardari’s position appear contrary to the public opinion to hurt him politically. The second idea was to make zardari’s partnership with the army untenable by forcing him on this issue.
That thing worked. Zardari lost credibility among the middleclass and the Media had no sympathy for him. Please recall that Nawaz before starting this march went to see Qazi Hussain of JI and immediately afterwards Rehman Malik (Zardari’s rep) visited Qazi Hussain too. (I hope people have read about the missing brief case question after the Rehmen Malik visit. Rehman came with a brief case with him to see Qazi Hussain and left without the brief case. A question was asked by some journalist and that infuriated Qazi Hussain.)
This was a little lengthy background.
I fully support Nawaz’s March and pressure on Zardari and I think if Zardari is as smart as he claims to be, he will take full advantage of the situation and deliver another blow to the army. But he is limited by his sycophantic nature. His power is important to him and he believes that good relations with the army and the US would keep him in power.
The US is not ruled by the Republican Party now and the influence that Benazir had on the Republican administration through Rice is no more. No one in Washington is listening to him and he is relying more and more on the Pak army and its relations with the Pentagon to stay in Power. He might survive this March but not for long!
#113 Posted by bubba on March 14, 2009 7:51:00 am
Hamid mian,
Just hang around and have fun. Why are you getting so riled up? Just to quote you "teray baap ka kiya jaata hein?
Just hang around and have fun. Why are you getting so riled up? Just to quote you "teray baap ka kiya jaata hein?
#112 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 7:24:26 am
.... for now it seems the people of lahore are more interested in celebrating basant than marching the long march ......... so far only two motorcycle riders have been decapitated and only four have fallen to their deaths ..... no deaths have been reported of urchins getting run over by cars while chasing kati patangs ..... the long march, which has not taken any lives so far has a lot of catching up to do as a blood sport in pakistan ........
basant: 6, long march: 0
#111 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 6:20:18 am
general kiyani sahib,
..... sir, .... as your most obedient servant i humbly request you to clean up this mess by rounding up all politicians, a-z, and making them disappear ..... the disappearance has to be permanent, so i suggest we put them all on a c-130 and drop them in the open ocean ...... let them drown like the rats that they are ....... another c-130 should be loaded up with all the unemployable lawyers and the droopy-eyed judge and they should be dropped off the coast of bombay - some will drown and some might make it to become a pain in the rear for the horrible hindoos (this is called killing two birds with one stone) ........ then i would ask you to impose a ban on beards and anyone caught with facial hair or a sheep under his cloak should be stoned to death .......
let the heads roll!
pak fauj zindabad!
general kiyani zindabad!
viceroy richard holbrooke zindabad!
#110 Posted by philosopher on March 14, 2009 5:55:05 am
Re: # 108 Aqsa hussain
(((Hey listen guys don't we have any other option..?)))
Aqsa bibi...the only option we have got at the moment is to hand over the Goremint of Pakistan to "ME". I am an Alpha male and i know how to spank, these Kass Whole politicians and Genrails, out.
Pakistani politicians have hidden desire of being disciplined by a REAL MAN (philosopher i.e ME).Plato suggested it many moons ago...remember?
Verily,Kanjroon politicians are spanked.
Plato zindabaad
Khalifa "philosopher" zindabaad
kanjroon muradabad
hamidm2...don't worry you will be muskhara in my darbaar.After every act of your bhaandpan you will be given a bottle of Gao-whisky
Takhliaa.
(((Hey listen guys don't we have any other option..?)))
Aqsa bibi...the only option we have got at the moment is to hand over the Goremint of Pakistan to "ME". I am an Alpha male and i know how to spank, these Kass Whole politicians and Genrails, out.
Pakistani politicians have hidden desire of being disciplined by a REAL MAN (philosopher i.e ME).Plato suggested it many moons ago...remember?
Verily,Kanjroon politicians are spanked.
Plato zindabaad
Khalifa "philosopher" zindabaad
kanjroon muradabad
hamidm2...don't worry you will be muskhara in my darbaar.After every act of your bhaandpan you will be given a bottle of Gao-whisky
Takhliaa.
#109 Posted by tahmed11 on March 14, 2009 5:02:13 am
#108 another option could be to kick those like you who betray Pakistanis during this critical phase in their just struggle for freedom and the rule of law out of Pakistan.
#108 Posted by Aqsa-Hussain on March 14, 2009 4:37:43 am
She's an opportunist... yes.. What a right time to get out of this mess.. If you can't clean it up, don't be a part or reason of it....
Another thing.... Our nation is in a turmoil, destiny going to be decided on streets now ! What makes me wonder is the fact that this Nawaz Sharif guy who once claimed to be Ameer-ul-Momeneen, whose past regarding "curbs on media" and "war with jang group" is very well documented, is a source of inspiration for most of the Pakistanis... Hey listen guys don't we have any other option..?
Another thing.... Our nation is in a turmoil, destiny going to be decided on streets now ! What makes me wonder is the fact that this Nawaz Sharif guy who once claimed to be Ameer-ul-Momeneen, whose past regarding "curbs on media" and "war with jang group" is very well documented, is a source of inspiration for most of the Pakistanis... Hey listen guys don't we have any other option..?
#107 Posted by HPsauce on March 14, 2009 4:36:31 am
bhai sahibon aur bibi shababoonon
shaam hogaye hain. Islamadabd aur lahodh mein ab dopahar 4 pm hain....kaun zinda hain....zardari ya nawazu? Kaun jail mein hain Zardari ya Nawazu?
shaam hogaye hain. Islamadabd aur lahodh mein ab dopahar 4 pm hain....kaun zinda hain....zardari ya nawazu? Kaun jail mein hain Zardari ya Nawazu?
#106 Posted by hamidm2 on March 14, 2009 4:13:41 am
a presidential punga ............ good analysis
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/ne ws/pakistan/a-presidential-punga-ha
#105 Posted by bulleya on March 14, 2009 3:46:29 am
aqsa-hussain #: "Sherry's resignation is a commendable act..."
either that, or a very well-timed strategy.....i think sherry rehman has realized that zardari is a sinking ship and she has jumped at the right time....using geo censorship as an excuse.....
....much worse has been done by zardari, than shutting down geo, and was defended by sherry rehman.....in any case, pakistan is being run by unelected side of ppp - zardari, sherry, rehman malik, farooq naik, etc........
all the people who win elections - gilani, aitezaz, etc. are totally against what zardari is doing.......sherry rehman types are more opportunists, and hanger ons, than anything else.....she has no political base......
either that, or a very well-timed strategy.....i think sherry rehman has realized that zardari is a sinking ship and she has jumped at the right time....using geo censorship as an excuse.....
....much worse has been done by zardari, than shutting down geo, and was defended by sherry rehman.....in any case, pakistan is being run by unelected side of ppp - zardari, sherry, rehman malik, farooq naik, etc........
all the people who win elections - gilani, aitezaz, etc. are totally against what zardari is doing.......sherry rehman types are more opportunists, and hanger ons, than anything else.....she has no political base......
#104 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 14, 2009 3:41:12 am
Re: # 101 Rest assured, you are going to see even more interesting times.
#103 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 14, 2009 3:38:14 am
Re #85 hamidm [laddu, jayp, ....... stop acting like a pair of hijras who have been thrown out of a wedding party ! ]
Laddu, JP etc. are just tamaashbeens here. It's actually you guys are a bunch of hijra's doing your never-ending mujra, that is what attracts the crowds. Hahahaha. Jab apna sikka khota ho to doosron ko dosh na do.
Laddu, JP etc. are just tamaashbeens here. It's actually you guys are a bunch of hijra's doing your never-ending mujra, that is what attracts the crowds. Hahahaha. Jab apna sikka khota ho to doosron ko dosh na do.
#102 Posted by Aqsa-Hussain on March 14, 2009 3:31:23 am
Let the government complete it's term for God's sake.. What exactly we want?
Do we want military to take over again? Of course no !
Let them handle the issues peacefully.... Sherry's resignation is a commendable act.. so relax wait and keep watching because it seems that Zardarism fever is coming to an end !
Cheers....
Do we want military to take over again? Of course no !
Let them handle the issues peacefully.... Sherry's resignation is a commendable act.. so relax wait and keep watching because it seems that Zardarism fever is coming to an end !
Cheers....
#101 Posted by bulleya on March 14, 2009 3:28:59 am
pakistan is certainly an interesting place, politically...never boring..i almost got caught in a long march traffic jam....
.....pakistani politics is maturing....this is what we are seeing right now.....the only question is whether it will mature fast enough to save the country......
.....there are, now, two strong civil society institutions in pakistan, which have clout and have provent their power and credibility......media and lawyers....pakistani media is better than media i have seen anywhere, including usa, canada, india etc.....and pakistani lawyers may well have the honor of bringing down two dictators in two years (musharraf and zardari)......quite a record....
......pakistani politics is shifting from the feudal/pir system to urban politics.....basically fedual and pir thiefs (ppp) will now be replaced by urban thieves (pml, mqm)......this is a good thing.....urban business thieves are more productive than fedual/pir thieves....
......the future of pakistan politics is pml now.....ppp had been reduced to 16 seats, when musharraf carried out the coup, in 99.......pml rid itself of feudals and pirs, when pml-q broke away....pml-n is, now, totally an urban party, led by a corrupt industrialist family, supported by small businessmen, and now the legal community and media......
ppp is (was) a uniquely contradictory party....it was, and still is, a feudal and pir led party, with support, ironically, from rural peasants, intellegensia, feminists, minorities, and legal fraternity......both regressive and progressive at the same time.....
however, now it has lost its progressive element......and its peasant supporter is also fed up.......while pml-n is getting stronger and stronger.....and is becoming the voice of urban civil society......
....so the future is pml dominating punjab, and thus pakistan, as well as other urban areas......and mqm dominating urban sind.....mqm is a truly secular, middle class progressive urban party (the kind of party, which pakistan would need)....however, it is fascist and massively criminal......
so, who are the two stars, in terms of good governance in pakistan.....hands down no. 1 is shahbaz sharif.....this guy should be the pm....no contest......the second is, apparently, mustafa kamal - the young mqm mayor of karachi.....
imran khan is getting more and more popular....he may actually win the nwfp govt. next time....unfortunately, the guy has no one in his team......i had an introduction with some of his second tier leadership......they couldn't run a grocery store or pull 10 people to their jalsas.......
so:
shahbaz sharif zindabad!
mustafa kamal zindabad!
imran khan zindabad!
chaudhry iftikhar (post second musharraf coup) zindabad!
...the next govt.will be pml-n (in alliance with pti, ji in nwfp)....mqm will join it in sind, as it joins any party in power........
ppp is in its last days, if it doesn't get rid of zardari quickly.....i think he is waiting for his last term deposits to mature in swiss banks (seriously speaking)......after which he will step down or move into the background......
.....pakistani politics is maturing....this is what we are seeing right now.....the only question is whether it will mature fast enough to save the country......
.....there are, now, two strong civil society institutions in pakistan, which have clout and have provent their power and credibility......media and lawyers....pakistani media is better than media i have seen anywhere, including usa, canada, india etc.....and pakistani lawyers may well have the honor of bringing down two dictators in two years (musharraf and zardari)......quite a record....
......pakistani politics is shifting from the feudal/pir system to urban politics.....basically fedual and pir thiefs (ppp) will now be replaced by urban thieves (pml, mqm)......this is a good thing.....urban business thieves are more productive than fedual/pir thieves....
......the future of pakistan politics is pml now.....ppp had been reduced to 16 seats, when musharraf carried out the coup, in 99.......pml rid itself of feudals and pirs, when pml-q broke away....pml-n is, now, totally an urban party, led by a corrupt industrialist family, supported by small businessmen, and now the legal community and media......
ppp is (was) a uniquely contradictory party....it was, and still is, a feudal and pir led party, with support, ironically, from rural peasants, intellegensia, feminists, minorities, and legal fraternity......both regressive and progressive at the same time.....
however, now it has lost its progressive element......and its peasant supporter is also fed up.......while pml-n is getting stronger and stronger.....and is becoming the voice of urban civil society......
....so the future is pml dominating punjab, and thus pakistan, as well as other urban areas......and mqm dominating urban sind.....mqm is a truly secular, middle class progressive urban party (the kind of party, which pakistan would need)....however, it is fascist and massively criminal......
so, who are the two stars, in terms of good governance in pakistan.....hands down no. 1 is shahbaz sharif.....this guy should be the pm....no contest......the second is, apparently, mustafa kamal - the young mqm mayor of karachi.....
imran khan is getting more and more popular....he may actually win the nwfp govt. next time....unfortunately, the guy has no one in his team......i had an introduction with some of his second tier leadership......they couldn't run a grocery store or pull 10 people to their jalsas.......
so:
shahbaz sharif zindabad!
mustafa kamal zindabad!
imran khan zindabad!
chaudhry iftikhar (post second musharraf coup) zindabad!
...the next govt.will be pml-n (in alliance with pti, ji in nwfp)....mqm will join it in sind, as it joins any party in power........
ppp is in its last days, if it doesn't get rid of zardari quickly.....i think he is waiting for his last term deposits to mature in swiss banks (seriously speaking)......after which he will step down or move into the background......
#100 Posted by rf786 on March 14, 2009 12:43:00 am
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive!
#99 Posted by rf786 on March 14, 2009 12:35:17 am
Re: # 98
Harshly? Once again being modest in your expressions.
Harshly? Once again being modest in your expressions.
#98 Posted by Zeena on March 13, 2009 11:51:17 pm
Sherry Rehman now deserves all my respect , no doubt about it. Yes, Sherry Rehman you have proved your self right and patriotic when it was needed the most. You proved that still Pakistani women have more strength, leadership, self respect and political honesty.
Yes, Sherry Rehman I do admit that I was the one who harshly criticized you and Ghulam Gilani PM after watching an inappropriate youtube about you and him. Since then I never respected you and always hated you with strong emotions. Until yesterday, when I saw you standing beside PM Raza Gilani , I saw extreme sadness in your eyes and your facial expressions were reflections of your inner sadness , I saw your real honest self for the first time and I knew that this is the first time you would come forward and will leave Zardari alone for his corrupt and incompetent leadership and will stand beside poor Pakistanis for their rights and for true reason.
And today Sherry Rehman , you became my hero by resigning against Zardari's lies. Sherry Rehman, from now on You're My HERO. I am proud that Pakistani women have the courage and honesty to stand up against dishonest dictators.
Sherry Rehman , you have washed all our wounds and your old stains with this great example of real leadership.
Naheed Khan and Safdar Abbasi , two most senior leaders of PPP also left Zardari for his dishonesty and for his utter lies.
Bravo!!!!! Sherry Rehman, Naheed Khan and Safdar Abbasi....My three heroes who are the new light and hope for Pakistan's future.
Yes, Sherry Rehman I do admit that I was the one who harshly criticized you and Ghulam Gilani PM after watching an inappropriate youtube about you and him. Since then I never respected you and always hated you with strong emotions. Until yesterday, when I saw you standing beside PM Raza Gilani , I saw extreme sadness in your eyes and your facial expressions were reflections of your inner sadness , I saw your real honest self for the first time and I knew that this is the first time you would come forward and will leave Zardari alone for his corrupt and incompetent leadership and will stand beside poor Pakistanis for their rights and for true reason.
And today Sherry Rehman , you became my hero by resigning against Zardari's lies. Sherry Rehman, from now on You're My HERO. I am proud that Pakistani women have the courage and honesty to stand up against dishonest dictators.
Sherry Rehman , you have washed all our wounds and your old stains with this great example of real leadership.
Naheed Khan and Safdar Abbasi , two most senior leaders of PPP also left Zardari for his dishonesty and for his utter lies.
Bravo!!!!! Sherry Rehman, Naheed Khan and Safdar Abbasi....My three heroes who are the new light and hope for Pakistan's future.
#97 Posted by nemesis3 on March 13, 2009 11:48:44 pm
#87 Posted by shankar
I suppose parliament attack and mumbai terror was also their "ghar ka mamla" So was babri masjid.
Shanker, you are like a rat sitting on the shiv lingam. Can't do anything to you.
I suppose parliament attack and mumbai terror was also their "ghar ka mamla" So was babri masjid.
Shanker, you are like a rat sitting on the shiv lingam. Can't do anything to you.
#96 Posted by akcheema on March 13, 2009 9:58:01 pm
looks like it is all heading towards an appropriate conclusion (with amreeki asheervaad of course) ... I don't think the army will (or should) step in 'openly' ... but 'behind the scenes' it has every reason to throw its weight around ... that is the simple reality and should be accepted as such. ... the 'topi-drama' of the 'tally-tubbies' will soon unfold too
[[Kayani steps in to break impasse
By: Haq Nawaz - The NATION Lahore - Published: March 14, 2009
ISLAMABAD — In the backdrop of intense reconciliatory efforts by the US, UK and other international players, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Friday persuaded President Asif Ali Zadari and Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani to defuse the tension during the crucial talks throughout the day.
The consultations continued uptil late in the night at the Presidency to reach some formula for lifting Governor Rule in Punjab and revival of majority party rule, restoration of deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and repeal of 17th Amendment.
According to sources close to the consultative process, the Army Chief has played a proactive role to push the government to come up with a workable plan so as to put an end to the political crisis. Instead of foreign powers, the Opposition parties, led by Mian Nawaz Sharif, are satisfied over the COAS’s mediatory role and could be trusted to act as a sort of guarantor to implement the formula once agreed among the stakeholders.
Officials privy to the top level meetings between President, Prime Minister, army chief and international mediatory efforts led by US envoy Anne W. Patterson and other foreign envoys revealed that all the power brokers were trying their best to resolve the Sharif-Zardari row as soon as possible and a breakthrough in this regard was likely today (Saturday).
“So far, the deadlock persists between the President and PM as President Zardari is reluctant to accept the patch-up formula aimed at restoration of deposed judges, lifting of governor rule and repeal of 17th amendment. However, the intensity of international and national mediatory efforts was such that the contentious issue is likely to be resolved today (Saturday),� said a senior official here requesting anonymity. He said the President had been told by the international powers as well as the security establishment that he would have to show flexibility to avert any serious damage to fragile political system.
However, the opposition parties and lawyers’ community are seeking surety of implementation of the plan and pressing for early confidence building measures.
The top civilian and military leadership have remained in discussions behind the close doors at the Presidency and Prime Minister House through out the day to sort out a workable plan to put an end to the current political crisis, sources close to the consultative process told TheNation. They said the President has indicated to resolve the issues including lifting of governor’s rule in Punjab, amending 17th amendment and restoration judiciary under Charter of Democracy, signed by the slain PPP Chairperson, Benazir Bhutto and PML-N Quaid, Mian Nawaz Sharif, three years ago.
But the judges’ issue under CoD is unacceptable to the legal fraternity. However, contrary to the developments, one of these Sources said President Zardari is still reluctant to accept the plan in letters and spirits with special reference to the restoration of Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Choudhry.
Spokesman for the Presidency, Farhatullah Babar when approached commented that no decision regarding restoration of the deposed CJ and exact timeframe for lifting of governor’s rule has been taken as yet.
Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani called on the President at Aiwan-e-Sadr, followed by the President meeting with the COAS. General Kayani later met Mr Gilani at PM House. US Ambassador Anne Patterson also called on the PM to push the government to take some reconciliatory steps.
During a meeting between the President and PM, the President was quoted, as saying that the path of confrontation would not solve any problem adding all parties should come on the negotiating table to settle the matter.
Sources in the Presidency stated that during the meeting host of issues relating to security situation, long march, governor rule, Pak-Army capabilities and other were discussed in depth. During the meeting, PM advised the President to take immediate steps for ending the governor’s rule and giving suggestions different options to settle current political debacle in the country.
He told the President to call Provincial Assembly session soon adding whosoever party attains majority is free to form government in Punjab. Meanwhile, the PM and COAS in the meeting discussed issues of national interest, security situation, Army’s capabilities and operational preparations besides other matters in length.
Govt and opposition fail to break deadlock
The, not so veiled, efforts by the top military commander to broker a deal fail to produce any concrete results to defuse the prevailing crisis]]
[[Kayani steps in to break impasse
By: Haq Nawaz - The NATION Lahore - Published: March 14, 2009
ISLAMABAD — In the backdrop of intense reconciliatory efforts by the US, UK and other international players, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Friday persuaded President Asif Ali Zadari and Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani to defuse the tension during the crucial talks throughout the day.
The consultations continued uptil late in the night at the Presidency to reach some formula for lifting Governor Rule in Punjab and revival of majority party rule, restoration of deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and repeal of 17th Amendment.
According to sources close to the consultative process, the Army Chief has played a proactive role to push the government to come up with a workable plan so as to put an end to the political crisis. Instead of foreign powers, the Opposition parties, led by Mian Nawaz Sharif, are satisfied over the COAS’s mediatory role and could be trusted to act as a sort of guarantor to implement the formula once agreed among the stakeholders.
Officials privy to the top level meetings between President, Prime Minister, army chief and international mediatory efforts led by US envoy Anne W. Patterson and other foreign envoys revealed that all the power brokers were trying their best to resolve the Sharif-Zardari row as soon as possible and a breakthrough in this regard was likely today (Saturday).
“So far, the deadlock persists between the President and PM as President Zardari is reluctant to accept the patch-up formula aimed at restoration of deposed judges, lifting of governor rule and repeal of 17th amendment. However, the intensity of international and national mediatory efforts was such that the contentious issue is likely to be resolved today (Saturday),� said a senior official here requesting anonymity. He said the President had been told by the international powers as well as the security establishment that he would have to show flexibility to avert any serious damage to fragile political system.
However, the opposition parties and lawyers’ community are seeking surety of implementation of the plan and pressing for early confidence building measures.
The top civilian and military leadership have remained in discussions behind the close doors at the Presidency and Prime Minister House through out the day to sort out a workable plan to put an end to the current political crisis, sources close to the consultative process told TheNation. They said the President has indicated to resolve the issues including lifting of governor’s rule in Punjab, amending 17th amendment and restoration judiciary under Charter of Democracy, signed by the slain PPP Chairperson, Benazir Bhutto and PML-N Quaid, Mian Nawaz Sharif, three years ago.
But the judges’ issue under CoD is unacceptable to the legal fraternity. However, contrary to the developments, one of these Sources said President Zardari is still reluctant to accept the plan in letters and spirits with special reference to the restoration of Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Choudhry.
Spokesman for the Presidency, Farhatullah Babar when approached commented that no decision regarding restoration of the deposed CJ and exact timeframe for lifting of governor’s rule has been taken as yet.
Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani called on the President at Aiwan-e-Sadr, followed by the President meeting with the COAS. General Kayani later met Mr Gilani at PM House. US Ambassador Anne Patterson also called on the PM to push the government to take some reconciliatory steps.
During a meeting between the President and PM, the President was quoted, as saying that the path of confrontation would not solve any problem adding all parties should come on the negotiating table to settle the matter.
Sources in the Presidency stated that during the meeting host of issues relating to security situation, long march, governor rule, Pak-Army capabilities and other were discussed in depth. During the meeting, PM advised the President to take immediate steps for ending the governor’s rule and giving suggestions different options to settle current political debacle in the country.
He told the President to call Provincial Assembly session soon adding whosoever party attains majority is free to form government in Punjab. Meanwhile, the PM and COAS in the meeting discussed issues of national interest, security situation, Army’s capabilities and operational preparations besides other matters in length.
Govt and opposition fail to break deadlock
The, not so veiled, efforts by the top military commander to broker a deal fail to produce any concrete results to defuse the prevailing crisis]]
#95 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2009 9:24:53 pm
Re: # 89
I have only less than 5% hope that the haramkhor fouj and the corrupt pro-western ruling elite will ever let the rule of law establish in this country because of the long march or short march. But this time people of Pakistan have Plan B ready. It is for the own good of these bayghairat chaprasees of west to stand down while they still have their heads on their necks and shalwars below.
I have only less than 5% hope that the haramkhor fouj and the corrupt pro-western ruling elite will ever let the rule of law establish in this country because of the long march or short march. But this time people of Pakistan have Plan B ready. It is for the own good of these bayghairat chaprasees of west to stand down while they still have their heads on their necks and shalwars below.
#94 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2009 9:10:43 pm
God! I am good. The commie loser and the recycling chaprasee of chowk are joining forces against yours truly? Who would have thunk? God! I am bad.
#93 Posted by Sheru1849 on March 13, 2009 8:56:10 pm
is this masadi the same masadi saab who used to be on front page a year ago?
ehna nu ki hoyea?
lagda Lahore wekh ke eh vi jamm paye.:-)
ehna nu ki hoyea?
lagda Lahore wekh ke eh vi jamm paye.:-)
#92 Posted by laddu on March 13, 2009 8:34:02 pm
Re: # 85
Mian,
We are like the poor people who are thanking the almighty and watching the ugly and filthy local Mafioso s killing each other in the neighborhood........
Ishwara ki Jai Ho!!!
Mian,
We are like the poor people who are thanking the almighty and watching the ugly and filthy local Mafioso s killing each other in the neighborhood........
Ishwara ki Jai Ho!!!
#91 Posted by laddu on March 13, 2009 8:28:00 pm
Re: # 87
bewakoof dhimmi pandit,
You and your family in chennai are the targets of their "gharelu mamle"...........
Do not think that Paki Islami struggle is only a "gharelu" kissa ..... it is very much a cause for concern of all indians living in India (Or even abroad in western lands)...
bewakoof dhimmi pandit,
You and your family in chennai are the targets of their "gharelu mamle"...........
Do not think that Paki Islami struggle is only a "gharelu" kissa ..... it is very much a cause for concern of all indians living in India (Or even abroad in western lands)...
#90 Posted by masadi on March 13, 2009 8:23:44 pm
hamid, the guy is a moron who doesn't have a clue about anything. He doesn't even know why the fauj is 'napak' or why we have the political mess we have. His kind are big on nara baazi and halwa khori, and that is about it, they are as ugly as they smell, they were nurtured by the Quaid and his colonial masters, a perfect caricature of the Orientalist image of Islam and Muslims brought to life....see how they bark and proclaim their self-righteousness on every occassion, judge others through their own dirty culture and are obsessed with sex which has become the sum total of their "religion"- go to the masjid and listen to one of these a-holes speak...
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#89 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 7:52:13 pm
Re: # 88
urstruly mian,
.... do you really think ameer ul momineen nawaz sharif is any better? ...... being the jihadi that you are, you should be thrilled at the present chaos because the only chance you cave dwellers have of getting into power is through chaos ..... or do you think that your guys in tora bora can manipulate the pehalwans of gowalmandi?
urstruly mian,
.... do you really think ameer ul momineen nawaz sharif is any better? ...... being the jihadi that you are, you should be thrilled at the present chaos because the only chance you cave dwellers have of getting into power is through chaos ..... or do you think that your guys in tora bora can manipulate the pehalwans of gowalmandi?
#88 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2009 7:36:39 pm
Napak Fouj Kay Kutto!
Don't you dare propping up another crook and imposing him on us. It is time you fukking band masters get a real job and leave people of Pakistan alone.
Don't you dare propping up another crook and imposing him on us. It is time you fukking band masters get a real job and leave people of Pakistan alone.
#87 Posted by shankar on March 13, 2009 6:21:53 pm
Jayp & laddu,
Could you guys kindly shut up !
Un logon ke gharelu mamle mein phokat ke liye dhakal detey hain...aur kuch kaam/dhanda nahin..
Could you guys kindly shut up !
Un logon ke gharelu mamle mein phokat ke liye dhakal detey hain...aur kuch kaam/dhanda nahin..
#86 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:20:08 pm
Internet cafés, CD shops blown up in Nowshera, Karak
NOWSHERA: Suspected militants blew up 32 CD centres, internet cafés, and shops in Nowshera on Thursday.
Suspected miscreants planted improvised explosive devices at the Khwar market, Akora Khattak, which went off one after another early in the morning.
They destroyed 20 CD centres and shops completely and damaged 12 others partially, inflicting losses worth over Rs6 million to the local traders.
DO U THINK THESE POLITICIANS WILL SOLVE THIS ISSUE?????????
NOWSHERA: Suspected militants blew up 32 CD centres, internet cafés, and shops in Nowshera on Thursday.
Suspected miscreants planted improvised explosive devices at the Khwar market, Akora Khattak, which went off one after another early in the morning.
They destroyed 20 CD centres and shops completely and damaged 12 others partially, inflicting losses worth over Rs6 million to the local traders.
DO U THINK THESE POLITICIANS WILL SOLVE THIS ISSUE?????????
#85 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 6:04:10 pm
laddu, jayp,
....... stop acting like a pair of hijras who have been thrown out of a wedding party !
#84 Posted by laddu on March 13, 2009 5:56:30 pm
"Traditional exhibitions of industrial goods are no longer relevant, they have to be sharia compliant.
Better organize more of the eid related functions. During eid, galleries are set up in islamabad and other cities for all to watch the slaughtering of camels. Also take a trip to swat where even a dead and buried sufi was dug up and hung. These are sharia compliant entertainments, and like sharia compliant banking, it will take some time to become popular, but will definitely in the pakistan."
Jay ji,
Aap se jyaada koi inki asliyat nahin jaanta!!
Better organize more of the eid related functions. During eid, galleries are set up in islamabad and other cities for all to watch the slaughtering of camels. Also take a trip to swat where even a dead and buried sufi was dug up and hung. These are sharia compliant entertainments, and like sharia compliant banking, it will take some time to become popular, but will definitely in the pakistan."
Jay ji,
Aap se jyaada koi inki asliyat nahin jaanta!!
#83 Posted by jayp on March 13, 2009 5:01:42 pm
Event managers feel the heat of terror attacks
Saturday, March 14, 2009
By Faryal Najeeb
KARACHI: Local event management companies are facing the brunt of terrorist activities in the country.
Many foreign exhibitors and key speakers have refused to visit Pakistan leading to cancellation or postponement of the scheduled events resulting in financial losses to the organisers.
Top event organisers shared that they had to mostly reschedule their planned events to later dates, as foreign participants were fearful about coming to the country even for a few days.
////////////////////////////
Helping pakistan ..advice from an indian/////////////////
As more and more parts come under taliban rule as in swat, the type of events planned for pakistan should change. Traditional exhibitions of industrial goods are no longer relevant, they have to be sharia compliant.
Better organize more of the eid related functions. During eid, galleries are set up in islamabad and other cities for all to watch the slaughtering of camels. Also take a trip to swat where even a dead and buried sufi was dug up and hung. These are sharia compliant entertainments, and like sharia compliant banking, it will take some time to become popular, but will definitely in the pakistan.
Saturday, March 14, 2009
By Faryal Najeeb
KARACHI: Local event management companies are facing the brunt of terrorist activities in the country.
Many foreign exhibitors and key speakers have refused to visit Pakistan leading to cancellation or postponement of the scheduled events resulting in financial losses to the organisers.
Top event organisers shared that they had to mostly reschedule their planned events to later dates, as foreign participants were fearful about coming to the country even for a few days.
////////////////////////////
Helping pakistan ..advice from an indian/////////////////
As more and more parts come under taliban rule as in swat, the type of events planned for pakistan should change. Traditional exhibitions of industrial goods are no longer relevant, they have to be sharia compliant.
Better organize more of the eid related functions. During eid, galleries are set up in islamabad and other cities for all to watch the slaughtering of camels. Also take a trip to swat where even a dead and buried sufi was dug up and hung. These are sharia compliant entertainments, and like sharia compliant banking, it will take some time to become popular, but will definitely in the pakistan.
#82 Posted by jayp on March 13, 2009 4:51:15 pm
Gilani, Kayani meet Zardari; president rejects reconciliation plan
Saturday, March 14, 2009
By Rauf Klasra and Asim Yasin
ISLAMABAD: The political crisis in the country took a plunge on Friday when in a dramatic move, a defiant President Asif Ali Zardari outrightly rejected the Washington-London backed reconciliation formula involving Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani and ordered a crackdown on the media to stifle lawyers’ long march.
The intervention of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani during separate meetings with the president and prime minister appeared to have produced no breakthrough in the deadlock before the long march approaches Islamabad.
PM Gilani was reportedly offended after the president refused to oblige his repeated requests of taking the reconciliation route as before leaving the PM House for meeting the president, he was hopeful that given the American-UK and Establishment backing, Zardari would not say no to him.
/from jang/////////
Thank you zardari for listening. There is no crisis in pakistan, it is a country that cares nothing when benazir was killed and the crime scene washed clean under ISI orders, it cares nothing when a cricket team is attacked and a dozen jihadis walked away, and no one is arrested.
Let the lawyers march, there is no civil society in pakistan, and Zardari..show to the world the reality of pakistan.
Saturday, March 14, 2009
By Rauf Klasra and Asim Yasin
ISLAMABAD: The political crisis in the country took a plunge on Friday when in a dramatic move, a defiant President Asif Ali Zardari outrightly rejected the Washington-London backed reconciliation formula involving Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani and ordered a crackdown on the media to stifle lawyers’ long march.
The intervention of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani during separate meetings with the president and prime minister appeared to have produced no breakthrough in the deadlock before the long march approaches Islamabad.
PM Gilani was reportedly offended after the president refused to oblige his repeated requests of taking the reconciliation route as before leaving the PM House for meeting the president, he was hopeful that given the American-UK and Establishment backing, Zardari would not say no to him.
/from jang/////////
Thank you zardari for listening. There is no crisis in pakistan, it is a country that cares nothing when benazir was killed and the crime scene washed clean under ISI orders, it cares nothing when a cricket team is attacked and a dozen jihadis walked away, and no one is arrested.
Let the lawyers march, there is no civil society in pakistan, and Zardari..show to the world the reality of pakistan.
#81 Posted by laddu on March 13, 2009 4:34:27 pm
When NS say inquilab.........it means business.......
#80 Posted by masadi on March 13, 2009 3:59:12 pm
Khyber- there is BIG reason for agitation, the Feb 2007 election farce carried out by the Army to restore its image is proceeding on plan via Zardari, the greatest threat to the military is a reformed supreme court, that is the main reason the restoration of the judiciary that for once stood up to its dictator is being opposed. IT is time to raise hell to lay the foundations of a nation for the people, with that context, the lawyer's movement is the only thing positive to come out of Musharraf's BS rule over Pakistan this past "lost" decade....The feudal, army, US, mullah alliance needs to be ruined, for the sake not only of Pakistan but the larger Third World.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#79 Posted by masadi on March 13, 2009 3:53:49 pm
hamid writes "sincce these baskets don't trust each other, i don't think it will work unless there is a secret guarantor - allah, army or amreeka ........... allah is dead, the army has been khassified and amreeka is now ruled by liberal, pot smoking homo-loving liberals..."
Once the people of Pakistan realize these shenanigans of the so-called followers of Allah (who is very much alive), the so-called defenders of the land i.e. the Army and most of all their master that keeps them in business (both the mullahs and the army) America- which is still ruled by the same people it was when Bush was in Office or when Reagan was in office (these BS distraction values debates are only to keep the dimwits busy with nonsense), they will reject American and with it its contrived "Army and Allah" games.
In the mean time you can join tahmed in your goddamned frustrations and impotence at the seemingly chaotic situation.
TNITC masadi.
Once the people of Pakistan realize these shenanigans of the so-called followers of Allah (who is very much alive), the so-called defenders of the land i.e. the Army and most of all their master that keeps them in business (both the mullahs and the army) America- which is still ruled by the same people it was when Bush was in Office or when Reagan was in office (these BS distraction values debates are only to keep the dimwits busy with nonsense), they will reject American and with it its contrived "Army and Allah" games.
In the mean time you can join tahmed in your goddamned frustrations and impotence at the seemingly chaotic situation.
TNITC masadi.
#78 Posted by iron_mask on March 13, 2009 2:43:56 pm
Sherry has gone for a Sherry
Sherry Rehman has resigned.
A fact. She has resigned.(T)
She could not take to telling lies any more. Recall, she was the first one to have said that kasab was a pakistani.
Even now it was the same.
Also it is an indication of the slow death of the zardari regime - slowly the English speaking elite are deserting him.
Sherry Rehman has resigned.
A fact. She has resigned.(T)
She could not take to telling lies any more. Recall, she was the first one to have said that kasab was a pakistani.
Even now it was the same.
Also it is an indication of the slow death of the zardari regime - slowly the English speaking elite are deserting him.
#77 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 1:46:13 pm
To protest is every body's right, but to instigate the poor followers on offering food and transport to go on rebellious march in order to help the existing insurgency of the Taliban in the province of Punjab at this precarious juncture of the political upheaval against the state is something dangerous to the survival of the country itself. Nawaz Sharif's call for revolution in Abbottabad was significant, because, that city is on the border of Swat, which is already under the control of the religious fanatics and Taliban. Surprisingly, the very movement in Swat was carried out by the people of Punjab. It means that the fresh call will give free passage to the Taliban to reach Islamabad without hindrance as the distance is not more than fifty miles from Islamabad.
As regards the present protests by the lawyers and some political parties, they have no support by the general population, because they have no agenda except to reinstate the dismissed judge and Chief Minister of Punjab, who has been disqualified by the Supreme Court. The opposition started a long March today, but alas! they miserably failed to entice the common men. But long march is going on in TV channels and news papers. People are now-a- days asking to each other "Why this agitation? We don't find any reason in it!"
Feudal aristocracy always plans to bring the army rule to usurp the resources of the other three provinces, because the army of Pakistan is comprised of 92% Punjabis. They don't like a Sindhi President. All the planning of agitations is made in the Drawing Rooms in Pakistan.
The feudal dominated society has no courage to come on the street. They bring the laboureres, tenants, unemploed youths and poor people on streets to die for their nefarious cause.
As regards the present protests by the lawyers and some political parties, they have no support by the general population, because they have no agenda except to reinstate the dismissed judge and Chief Minister of Punjab, who has been disqualified by the Supreme Court. The opposition started a long March today, but alas! they miserably failed to entice the common men. But long march is going on in TV channels and news papers. People are now-a- days asking to each other "Why this agitation? We don't find any reason in it!"
Feudal aristocracy always plans to bring the army rule to usurp the resources of the other three provinces, because the army of Pakistan is comprised of 92% Punjabis. They don't like a Sindhi President. All the planning of agitations is made in the Drawing Rooms in Pakistan.
The feudal dominated society has no courage to come on the street. They bring the laboureres, tenants, unemploed youths and poor people on streets to die for their nefarious cause.
#76 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 12:38:58 pm
hey following is the interesting article i just found on web.....
Zardari fifth Sindhi target of Nawaz’s rebellion
G. N. Mughul
KARACHI: It is interesting to note that President Asif Ali Zardari, is fifth Sindhi, holding a vital position in the set-up of Pakistan, against whom PML(N) chief Mian Nawaz Sharif rebelled all along his political career since 1988 till today due to one reason or the other. The first victim of Mian Nawaz Sharif's style of politics was soft spoken Sindhi Prime Minister Mohammad Khan Junejo. Junejo was dismissed as Prime Minister of Pakistan by the then Military dictator Gen. Zia ul Haq after an enquiry ordered by the then Prime Minister Junejo in to the causes of the famous Ojhri Camp explosion against the wishes of the Military dictator. When Mohammad Khan Junejo was removed from the office of Prime Minister, he also held the office of President, Muslim League. It was early 1988. At that time Mian Nawaz Sharif was attached with Punjab Government and was rather President Muslim League Punjab. At that time Mian Nawaz Sharif used to be known as blue eyed boy of Gen. Jilani and Gen. Zia ul Haq. Immediately after the removal of Mohammad Khan Junejo as Prime Minister of Pakistan a meeting of the general council of Pakistan Muslim League was called in Lahore. According to the circles close to Junejo group, a majority of those invited to attend the said PML session was recommended by Mian Nawaz Sharif. In this meeting Mohammad Khan Junejo was also removed from the office of the President PML. Afterwards, PML was bifurcated in to two groups viz PML(Junejo group) and PML (anti Junejo group). Hamid Nasir Chattha sided with Junejo and remained with him till the death of Junejo. Afterwards, Junejo group was headed by Hamid Nasir Chattha and with the passage of time Junejo group was renamed as PML(Chattha Group). The second victim is reported to be Pir Pagaro. When attempts were made by PML Punjab group headed by Mian Nawaz Sharif to rebel against Pir Pagaro, Pir Pagaro also dissociated from that PML and formed his own group called since then as PML(Functional group). First Secretary General of PML(F) was S. M. Zafar. In 1988 general elections held after the death of Gen. Zia ul Haq in a plane crash, PPP headed by Benazir Bhutto captured majority of NA seats even in Punjab. At that time Provincial polls used to be held two days after national polls. In the meantime, Nawaz Sharif camp raised the slogan of " Jag Punjabi Jag - Terey Pag nu lag gaya dagh" and aroused the parochial feelings of the people of Punjab against a Sindhi leader of PP. The said attempt succeeded to the extent that majority Provincial Assembly seats in Punjab were captured by PML(N). As the result, PP formed Government in centre with Benazir Bhutto as the Prime Minister and PML(N) formed government in Punjab with Mian Nawaz Sharif as Chief Minister. The later developments bear testimony that Nawaz Sharif's Punjab Government did not recognize Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister of Pakistan and the then Punjab Government virtually rebelled against PP Government in centre in almost in each field to the extent that whenever Benazir Bhutto, as Prime Minister, visited any area of Punjab she was not provided due protocol by the Punjab Government of Nawaz Sharif.
Zardari fifth Sindhi target of Nawaz’s rebellion
G. N. Mughul
KARACHI: It is interesting to note that President Asif Ali Zardari, is fifth Sindhi, holding a vital position in the set-up of Pakistan, against whom PML(N) chief Mian Nawaz Sharif rebelled all along his political career since 1988 till today due to one reason or the other. The first victim of Mian Nawaz Sharif's style of politics was soft spoken Sindhi Prime Minister Mohammad Khan Junejo. Junejo was dismissed as Prime Minister of Pakistan by the then Military dictator Gen. Zia ul Haq after an enquiry ordered by the then Prime Minister Junejo in to the causes of the famous Ojhri Camp explosion against the wishes of the Military dictator. When Mohammad Khan Junejo was removed from the office of Prime Minister, he also held the office of President, Muslim League. It was early 1988. At that time Mian Nawaz Sharif was attached with Punjab Government and was rather President Muslim League Punjab. At that time Mian Nawaz Sharif used to be known as blue eyed boy of Gen. Jilani and Gen. Zia ul Haq. Immediately after the removal of Mohammad Khan Junejo as Prime Minister of Pakistan a meeting of the general council of Pakistan Muslim League was called in Lahore. According to the circles close to Junejo group, a majority of those invited to attend the said PML session was recommended by Mian Nawaz Sharif. In this meeting Mohammad Khan Junejo was also removed from the office of the President PML. Afterwards, PML was bifurcated in to two groups viz PML(Junejo group) and PML (anti Junejo group). Hamid Nasir Chattha sided with Junejo and remained with him till the death of Junejo. Afterwards, Junejo group was headed by Hamid Nasir Chattha and with the passage of time Junejo group was renamed as PML(Chattha Group). The second victim is reported to be Pir Pagaro. When attempts were made by PML Punjab group headed by Mian Nawaz Sharif to rebel against Pir Pagaro, Pir Pagaro also dissociated from that PML and formed his own group called since then as PML(Functional group). First Secretary General of PML(F) was S. M. Zafar. In 1988 general elections held after the death of Gen. Zia ul Haq in a plane crash, PPP headed by Benazir Bhutto captured majority of NA seats even in Punjab. At that time Provincial polls used to be held two days after national polls. In the meantime, Nawaz Sharif camp raised the slogan of " Jag Punjabi Jag - Terey Pag nu lag gaya dagh" and aroused the parochial feelings of the people of Punjab against a Sindhi leader of PP. The said attempt succeeded to the extent that majority Provincial Assembly seats in Punjab were captured by PML(N). As the result, PP formed Government in centre with Benazir Bhutto as the Prime Minister and PML(N) formed government in Punjab with Mian Nawaz Sharif as Chief Minister. The later developments bear testimony that Nawaz Sharif's Punjab Government did not recognize Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister of Pakistan and the then Punjab Government virtually rebelled against PP Government in centre in almost in each field to the extent that whenever Benazir Bhutto, as Prime Minister, visited any area of Punjab she was not provided due protocol by the Punjab Government of Nawaz Sharif.
#75 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 10:49:39 am
#73 Posted by bubba...hey I like ur nick..anyway u r right,LUHAR NAWAZ is not a revolutionary but a thug now he is surrounded by failed politicians like imran khan.
#74 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:32:45 am
Re: # 73 This is called the Jaya Prakash Narayan Syndrome in India - if I am not mistaken. He did the same and then got skewered by history. No one remembers him. But every body remembers Indira gandhi
#73 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 10:31:00 am
Re: # 66 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 10:09:13 am
Hamid mian,
I just saw NS calling for those in the executive branch to disobey orders. Huh! NS claims that this is a noble cause and that he has been chosen to lead. He claims that he is blessed to lead this movement.
To me, it seems that he has gone nuts! He is claiming that divinity is on his side, and is asking everybody including students, clerks, bureaucrats, farmers, poor people, and all the other kinds of unwashed masses to come and be a part of this march.
What's wrong with this guy? He acts as some kind of a revolutionary.
I always thought that revolution comes from the left, and fascism comes from the right. Alas, this guy does not even understand the basic political science theory. Or does he think that the unwashed masses are such an idiot that they might repeat the 1979 revolution of iran that was brought about by the leftist first, and later these leftist were marginalized by the theocrats. Lucky for the pure people that very few are listening to his call.
Hamid mian, this is political circus and should continue for a few more weeks. GHQ boys must learn to laugh at the punjoos amongst their midst, and hopefully they could purify the unwanted fundoos amongst them, before they venture out to lead the unwashed masses.
IMHO the current regime can handle puristan's rigamarole. What say you?
Hamid mian,
I just saw NS calling for those in the executive branch to disobey orders. Huh! NS claims that this is a noble cause and that he has been chosen to lead. He claims that he is blessed to lead this movement.
To me, it seems that he has gone nuts! He is claiming that divinity is on his side, and is asking everybody including students, clerks, bureaucrats, farmers, poor people, and all the other kinds of unwashed masses to come and be a part of this march.
What's wrong with this guy? He acts as some kind of a revolutionary.
I always thought that revolution comes from the left, and fascism comes from the right. Alas, this guy does not even understand the basic political science theory. Or does he think that the unwashed masses are such an idiot that they might repeat the 1979 revolution of iran that was brought about by the leftist first, and later these leftist were marginalized by the theocrats. Lucky for the pure people that very few are listening to his call.
Hamid mian, this is political circus and should continue for a few more weeks. GHQ boys must learn to laugh at the punjoos amongst their midst, and hopefully they could purify the unwanted fundoos amongst them, before they venture out to lead the unwashed masses.
IMHO the current regime can handle puristan's rigamarole. What say you?
#72 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:29:35 am
Re: # 71 hamidm2 - you think they cannot even organise a pissup in a brewery......maybe you are really underestimating their ability to have a great party
#71 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 10:24:48 am
Re: # 69
.... i think zeemax is right, but it won't work because the devil is in the details ........ what will be the outcome of the review petition? ..... what if the pehalwan cannot come up with the majority in punjab? ..... who will rule the parliamentary commission ?
..... sincce these baskets don't trust each other, i don't think it will work unless there is a secret guarantor - allah, army or amreeka ........... allah is dead, the army has been khassified and amreeka is now ruled by liberal, pot smoking homo-loving liberals who can't even put together their own cabinet ........... verily, we are f.....d!
.... i think zeemax is right, but it won't work because the devil is in the details ........ what will be the outcome of the review petition? ..... what if the pehalwan cannot come up with the majority in punjab? ..... who will rule the parliamentary commission ?
..... sincce these baskets don't trust each other, i don't think it will work unless there is a secret guarantor - allah, army or amreeka ........... allah is dead, the army has been khassified and amreeka is now ruled by liberal, pot smoking homo-loving liberals who can't even put together their own cabinet ........... verily, we are f.....d!
#70 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:17:25 am
Re: # 67 so you make it 48 hours using a stronger adjective than Khyber who suggested 24 hrs?
WHat do you think will happen in the next 24 hours
WHat do you think will happen in the next 24 hours
#69 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:16:05 am
The three points of proposed deal by PM:
Topic started by zeemax on Mar 13, 2009 9:30:10 am
1) Prime Minister will file review petition on the disqualifications.
2) Governor rule to be lifted and Assembly session called for anyone with majority to form Government in Punjab.
3) Parliamentary commission as provided in Charter of Democracy to be formed to select superior judiciary afresh from all available judges.
Fair package, but Zardari needs to agree. 24 Hrs is being mentioned, otherwise dama-dam mast qalandar.
In the meantime, cable operators in Punjab and Islamabad have been told to put Geo in the last in their channel lists so that people can't find it!
he also has clip of the news embedded there
Topic started by zeemax on Mar 13, 2009 9:30:10 am
1) Prime Minister will file review petition on the disqualifications.
2) Governor rule to be lifted and Assembly session called for anyone with majority to form Government in Punjab.
3) Parliamentary commission as provided in Charter of Democracy to be formed to select superior judiciary afresh from all available judges.
Fair package, but Zardari needs to agree. 24 Hrs is being mentioned, otherwise dama-dam mast qalandar.
In the meantime, cable operators in Punjab and Islamabad have been told to put Geo in the last in their channel lists so that people can't find it!
he also has clip of the news embedded there
#68 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:13:57 am
Re: # 66 hamidm2 I see that in your moment of exasperation, the gloves are coming off.
You know you are right - atleast, from the 3 point concession/formula (apparently) given to the parties (according to zeemax on unplugged), to which Nawaz agrees to. The droppy one has been dropped - the unemployable lawyers are nowhere on the scene.
You know you are right - atleast, from the 3 point concession/formula (apparently) given to the parties (according to zeemax on unplugged), to which Nawaz agrees to. The droppy one has been dropped - the unemployable lawyers are nowhere on the scene.
#67 Posted by laddu on March 13, 2009 10:13:02 am
Re: # 62
hamid mian,
The next 48 hours would see a very big surprise in offing........
hamid mian,
The next 48 hours would see a very big surprise in offing........
#66 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 10:09:13 am
Re: # 64
........... i love it! .... and where are the unemployable lawyers in this process? ...... what if the pehalwan brothers and choredari reach an agreement to share in the loot without fully restoring droopy ? ..... and even if droopy is restored what can he do with the bench packed with zardari's handpicked qazis? ....
....... i still say, hang the bastards - all of them and start with a clean slate ... otherwise we will see a repeat of this nonsense in another six months ........ democracy hamaray mizaj kay mutabiq nahin hai - stop trying to feed pearls to swine!
........... i love it! .... and where are the unemployable lawyers in this process? ...... what if the pehalwan brothers and choredari reach an agreement to share in the loot without fully restoring droopy ? ..... and even if droopy is restored what can he do with the bench packed with zardari's handpicked qazis? ....
....... i still say, hang the bastards - all of them and start with a clean slate ... otherwise we will see a repeat of this nonsense in another six months ........ democracy hamaray mizaj kay mutabiq nahin hai - stop trying to feed pearls to swine!
#65 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 13, 2009 10:02:39 am
Re: # 63i can get geo here on sky and on cable (virgin)8-|
#64 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 9:58:00 am
Political turmoil: next 24 hrs will be very crucial
MONITORING DESK
ISLAMABAD ( 2009-03-13 18:12:29 ) :President Asif Ali Zardari separately met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani at President House, here on Friday and discussed key issues related to current political situation in the country.
According to reports, later in the day Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani will meet former Chief Minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif for negotiations regarding the current turmoil in the country.
The reports further said that Gilani has been reportedly given 24 hours to convince Zardari into agreeing to the new political and constitutional arrangement, as further delay will not produce any political results for the political forces currently on the warpath.
The ball is now firmly in the court of president Zardari, who has to take a decision swiftly on endorsing the agreement brokered by powerful international actors.
MONITORING DESK
ISLAMABAD ( 2009-03-13 18:12:29 ) :President Asif Ali Zardari separately met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani at President House, here on Friday and discussed key issues related to current political situation in the country.
According to reports, later in the day Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani will meet former Chief Minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif for negotiations regarding the current turmoil in the country.
The reports further said that Gilani has been reportedly given 24 hours to convince Zardari into agreeing to the new political and constitutional arrangement, as further delay will not produce any political results for the political forces currently on the warpath.
The ball is now firmly in the court of president Zardari, who has to take a decision swiftly on endorsing the agreement brokered by powerful international actors.
#62 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 9:03:29 am
Re: # 61
bubba mian,
... i never thought of this before, but now that you mention it, multan does seem to have more gays than the rest of the country ..... it must have something to do with it being the center of sufism and halwa ........
bubba mian,
... i never thought of this before, but now that you mention it, multan does seem to have more gays than the rest of the country ..... it must have something to do with it being the center of sufism and halwa ........
#61 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 8:59:54 am
Re: # 60 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 8:44:29 am
hamid mian,
[...the man is a megalomaniac kleptomaniac suffering from the bonaparte complex ..]
Really?! Is he any different from the rest of the unwashed masses? I always thought all pakis are like that. So why is he any different? On the contrary, this guy is a political genius. He rose form a humble beginning, being the son of a cinema owner, kinda like BHO, the guy that you voted for.
So you think GHQ boys are any different?
[...but unfortunately gilani is gay] He is from multan, isn't he? Are most multanis gay?
hamid mian,
[...the man is a megalomaniac kleptomaniac suffering from the bonaparte complex ..]
Really?! Is he any different from the rest of the unwashed masses? I always thought all pakis are like that. So why is he any different? On the contrary, this guy is a political genius. He rose form a humble beginning, being the son of a cinema owner, kinda like BHO, the guy that you voted for.
So you think GHQ boys are any different?
[...but unfortunately gilani is gay] He is from multan, isn't he? Are most multanis gay?
#60 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 8:44:29 am
Re: # 59
bubba mian,
..... n agree with you that nawaz sharif (tagga) is a bigger threat to pakistan than osama bin laden ...... let us not forget that he is the man who tried to install himself as ameer-ul-momineen ...... i was willing to give him a chance, hoping that he had learned his lesson, but this tagga has not changed his spots ..... the good news is that pml-n does not have any support outside some of the urban centers of punjab .... even in the punjab ppp and pml-q outpolled him two to one ......
.... on the other hand, zardari is equally evil - the man is a megalomaniac kleptomaniac suffering from the bonaparte complex ...... the people's party is the only true national party with grass roots support in all four provinces and this man is out to ruin it by tangling with the people who built this party ...... putting johnny come lately's like farooq naik and rehman malik before raza rabbani and jehangir badr is a recipe for disaster for the party .......
...... zardari must go, but unfortunately gilani is gay
bubba mian,
..... n agree with you that nawaz sharif (tagga) is a bigger threat to pakistan than osama bin laden ...... let us not forget that he is the man who tried to install himself as ameer-ul-momineen ...... i was willing to give him a chance, hoping that he had learned his lesson, but this tagga has not changed his spots ..... the good news is that pml-n does not have any support outside some of the urban centers of punjab .... even in the punjab ppp and pml-q outpolled him two to one ......
.... on the other hand, zardari is equally evil - the man is a megalomaniac kleptomaniac suffering from the bonaparte complex ...... the people's party is the only true national party with grass roots support in all four provinces and this man is out to ruin it by tangling with the people who built this party ...... putting johnny come lately's like farooq naik and rehman malik before raza rabbani and jehangir badr is a recipe for disaster for the party .......
...... zardari must go, but unfortunately gilani is gay
#59 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 8:30:56 am
Hamid mian,
Yes, I am a very nice guy, and frankly I also can not think of hurting you. I have always enjoyed most of your meandering political commentary.
IMHO I see that you are a very liberal minded person and you are a capricon (born leadership qualities). I also think that you should be saved by bringing you on the right side of the issues currently happening inside puristan.
NS represents politics of Zia-qul-na-haq, and must be removed from paki society. Fortunately for the punjoos NS is being marginalized and his political fortunes will just remain within the confines of raiwind. It is quite obvious to political novices like myself that jamaatis are controlling NS. Do you really want the jamaatis to control the fat-sos of Raiwind?
Yes, I am a very nice guy, and frankly I also can not think of hurting you. I have always enjoyed most of your meandering political commentary.
IMHO I see that you are a very liberal minded person and you are a capricon (born leadership qualities). I also think that you should be saved by bringing you on the right side of the issues currently happening inside puristan.
NS represents politics of Zia-qul-na-haq, and must be removed from paki society. Fortunately for the punjoos NS is being marginalized and his political fortunes will just remain within the confines of raiwind. It is quite obvious to political novices like myself that jamaatis are controlling NS. Do you really want the jamaatis to control the fat-sos of Raiwind?
#58 Posted by CreateAlpha on March 13, 2009 8:22:58 am
pakistanis should do a march dressing up their kids as suciicde bombers all the way from karachi to srinagar....that will do it
#57 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 8:13:01 am
Re: # 55
bubba mian,
.... for a hindoo you appear to be a pretty nice guy, so i don't want to hurt your feelings ..... but kashmir transcends all other issues - all this other stuff is just noise that will be settled, hopefully sooner than later .... we have to settle these issues so that we can settle the big issue ...... sorry to disappoint you
bubba mian,
.... for a hindoo you appear to be a pretty nice guy, so i don't want to hurt your feelings ..... but kashmir transcends all other issues - all this other stuff is just noise that will be settled, hopefully sooner than later .... we have to settle these issues so that we can settle the big issue ...... sorry to disappoint you
#56 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 8:09:59 am
Re: # 53
tahmed mian,
..... i have people on the inside who keep me informed ........ to be honest, i wish both zardari and nawaz sharif would just go away and let my brother sheikh rashid lalloo prasad run the country ...... if nawaz stays this nonsense will not end and we will go through the same cycle again and again and again ...... the man is a "tagga" (it is the only word that describes him)
.... anyway, let us home gilani has the equipment - sometimes he appears to be gay
tahmed mian,
..... i have people on the inside who keep me informed ........ to be honest, i wish both zardari and nawaz sharif would just go away and let my brother sheikh rashid lalloo prasad run the country ...... if nawaz stays this nonsense will not end and we will go through the same cycle again and again and again ...... the man is a "tagga" (it is the only word that describes him)
.... anyway, let us home gilani has the equipment - sometimes he appears to be gay
#55 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 8:08:59 am
Re: # 52 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 7:58:14 am
hamid mian,
[.. once we settle the issue of who lives in the presidency we are coming after kashmir ..]
And when will that be? "billi kay khawab mein cheechra." array bhai, first you worry about not letting puristan becoming another somalia.
hamid mian,
[.. once we settle the issue of who lives in the presidency we are coming after kashmir ..]
And when will that be? "billi kay khawab mein cheechra." array bhai, first you worry about not letting puristan becoming another somalia.
#54 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 8:03:28 am
Hamid mian,
another question for your infinite political wisdom...
[The answers to the conundrum can perhaps be found in the arithmetic of electoral results. It is pertinent to note that, despite being billed as one of the two national parties with Nawaz Sharif as a national leader, the PML-N has emerged in the 2008 elections as a regional party representing Punjab and Hazara. The party has no representation whatsoever at either the national or provincial levels in Sindh and Balochistan or from the majority Pakhtun areas of the NWFP. That PML-N has been able to carry forth its current campaign only in northern Punjab cities underlines its geographically narrow political base.]
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news /pakistan/behind-pml-n-outrage--za
Is this true?
I know that you don't like Hazarains, and jammatis. Why on earth are these punjoos doing with such company?
Regarding Kiyani, our western allies would need something in return, and what could be that? BTW, I saw your garaain Sheikh Rashid, and to be sure I must agree with you. This guy is a political genius, all with his smirk.
Sheikh Rashid Zindabad
another question for your infinite political wisdom...
[The answers to the conundrum can perhaps be found in the arithmetic of electoral results. It is pertinent to note that, despite being billed as one of the two national parties with Nawaz Sharif as a national leader, the PML-N has emerged in the 2008 elections as a regional party representing Punjab and Hazara. The party has no representation whatsoever at either the national or provincial levels in Sindh and Balochistan or from the majority Pakhtun areas of the NWFP. That PML-N has been able to carry forth its current campaign only in northern Punjab cities underlines its geographically narrow political base.]
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news /pakistan/behind-pml-n-outrage--za
Is this true?
I know that you don't like Hazarains, and jammatis. Why on earth are these punjoos doing with such company?
Regarding Kiyani, our western allies would need something in return, and what could be that? BTW, I saw your garaain Sheikh Rashid, and to be sure I must agree with you. This guy is a political genius, all with his smirk.
Sheikh Rashid Zindabad
#53 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 8:02:46 am
Hamidm: You changed your forecast of yesterday just in time..whew!!
Zardari agrees to resolve crisis in light of CoD
Updated at: 1920 PST, Friday, March 13, 2009
ISLAMABAD: In response to the reconciliatory efforts of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardari has agreed to resolve prevailing political crisis according to the charter of democracy (CoD).
According to sources, Army chief’s meetings with the President and the Prime Minister are producing results.
Gen. Kayani held separate meetings with President Zardari and Premier Gilani to discuss various options for solution of prevailing political crisis confronting the country.
Well-placed sources told that it was agreed that all controversial issues should be resolved according to the CoD signed by slain PPP leader Benazir Bhutto and PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif.
Sources further told that Prime Minster was in favour of restoration of deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. However, the president’s close aides said that President Zardari wants his restoration through CoD.
The President is willing to lift governor rule in Punjab while besides Army chief, British and American governments are playing the role of guarantors.
President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani are expected to meet again tonight in which some important decisions are expected.
Zardari agrees to resolve crisis in light of CoD
Updated at: 1920 PST, Friday, March 13, 2009
ISLAMABAD: In response to the reconciliatory efforts of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardari has agreed to resolve prevailing political crisis according to the charter of democracy (CoD).
According to sources, Army chief’s meetings with the President and the Prime Minister are producing results.
Gen. Kayani held separate meetings with President Zardari and Premier Gilani to discuss various options for solution of prevailing political crisis confronting the country.
Well-placed sources told that it was agreed that all controversial issues should be resolved according to the CoD signed by slain PPP leader Benazir Bhutto and PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif.
Sources further told that Prime Minster was in favour of restoration of deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. However, the president’s close aides said that President Zardari wants his restoration through CoD.
The President is willing to lift governor rule in Punjab while besides Army chief, British and American governments are playing the role of guarantors.
President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani are expected to meet again tonight in which some important decisions are expected.
#52 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 7:58:14 am
Re: # 50
bubba mian,
.... the horrible hindoos are obsessed with jihad more than the jihadis themselves !......... this drama playing out in pakistan between don salman taseeroni, the pehalwans of gowalmandi, sho rehman malik, gilani bubba, droopy, jack in the box khan, amin fahim grumpy, sulking rabbani and the unemployable lawyers has nothing to do with jihad or you guys ....... the horrible hindoos have a highly exagerated opion of their importance ........ fools! ... once we settle the issue of who lives in the presidency we are coming after kashmir ....
president amin fahim zindabad!
bubba mian,
.... the horrible hindoos are obsessed with jihad more than the jihadis themselves !......... this drama playing out in pakistan between don salman taseeroni, the pehalwans of gowalmandi, sho rehman malik, gilani bubba, droopy, jack in the box khan, amin fahim grumpy, sulking rabbani and the unemployable lawyers has nothing to do with jihad or you guys ....... the horrible hindoos have a highly exagerated opion of their importance ........ fools! ... once we settle the issue of who lives in the presidency we are coming after kashmir ....
president amin fahim zindabad!
#51 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 7:48:17 am
Re: # 48
bubba mian,
.... i hate to disappoint you, but there is a better than even chance that zardari will be gone in a couple of months ....... why? ... did you see that look kiyani gave him during their meeting ? ..... kiyani was not smiling ...... on the other hand kiyani was smiling when he met prime minister gilani ......... also, the bearer who served roohafza at the kiyani-zardari meeting tells me that holbrooke called during the meeting - he talked to zardari for five minutes and then talked to kiyani for another ten minutes ......... on the way out of the presidency kiyani kicked zardari's dog .....
general kiyani zindabad!
viceroy richard holbrooke zindabad!
prime minister gilani zindabad!
zardari murdabad!
bubba mian,
.... i hate to disappoint you, but there is a better than even chance that zardari will be gone in a couple of months ....... why? ... did you see that look kiyani gave him during their meeting ? ..... kiyani was not smiling ...... on the other hand kiyani was smiling when he met prime minister gilani ......... also, the bearer who served roohafza at the kiyani-zardari meeting tells me that holbrooke called during the meeting - he talked to zardari for five minutes and then talked to kiyani for another ten minutes ......... on the way out of the presidency kiyani kicked zardari's dog .....
general kiyani zindabad!
viceroy richard holbrooke zindabad!
prime minister gilani zindabad!
zardari murdabad!
#50 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 7:45:54 am
Hamid mian,
Just stick around and you will learn the global political moves that is being played out in the land of pure...
Many Saudi clerics have condemned jihadism as a “deviance from Islam.� Even prominent Saudi clerics who have criticized the Saudi government, such as Salman al-Awdah, have sent open letters to bin Laden condemning violence against innocents and claiming that al Qaeda was hurting Muslim charities through its purported ties to them.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/03/al_qaeda_versus_saud i_arabia.html
After you have read this article from stratfor, do you think that punjoos are geared towards understanding the global political happenings?
Why can we not ascribe JI idealogy to "the rule"? If the unwashed masses could only do this then we can certainly clear the pure land with unwanted foreigners, and let Raiwind fat-sos become eligible to wreack havoc on the uninitiated fraternity of punjoos.
What say you?
Just stick around and you will learn the global political moves that is being played out in the land of pure...
Many Saudi clerics have condemned jihadism as a “deviance from Islam.� Even prominent Saudi clerics who have criticized the Saudi government, such as Salman al-Awdah, have sent open letters to bin Laden condemning violence against innocents and claiming that al Qaeda was hurting Muslim charities through its purported ties to them.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/03/al_qaeda_versus_saud i_arabia.html
After you have read this article from stratfor, do you think that punjoos are geared towards understanding the global political happenings?
Why can we not ascribe JI idealogy to "the rule"? If the unwashed masses could only do this then we can certainly clear the pure land with unwanted foreigners, and let Raiwind fat-sos become eligible to wreack havoc on the uninitiated fraternity of punjoos.
What say you?
#49 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 7:24:35 am
sri ram bubba-wannabe: "Those of us in the west"
you can take an indian out of the cesspool, you cannot take the cesspool out of the indian. so spare me your "us in the west".
you can take an indian out of the cesspool, you cannot take the cesspool out of the indian. so spare me your "us in the west".
#48 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 7:19:16 am
Re: # 13 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:51:15 pm
Hamid mian,
[- i think he has what it takes to be good dictator if he puts his mind to it ..] But is he trainable? Those of us in the west who want puristan to be truly pure could only hope that he can be trained to be an effective dictator, all within the law of course. Punjoostan must be modified to become more like the rest of puristan.
Hamid mian,
[- i think he has what it takes to be good dictator if he puts his mind to it ..] But is he trainable? Those of us in the west who want puristan to be truly pure could only hope that he can be trained to be an effective dictator, all within the law of course. Punjoostan must be modified to become more like the rest of puristan.
#47 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 7:15:42 am
#45 khyber: I am not saying anything. I am asking you a simple question. And you are refusing to answer the question.
#46 Posted by bubba on March 13, 2009 7:12:42 am
Re: # 29 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 6:01:01 am
Hamid mian,
Now, you are talking...
[nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!]
Even KSA is against the khalifa-wanna-be. When would the punjoos learn?
Hamid mian,
Now, you are talking...
[nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!]
Even KSA is against the khalifa-wanna-be. When would the punjoos learn?
#45 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 7:11:28 am
#44tahmed32.... ''if Nawaz Sharif was dishonest, he would have taken up Zardari's invitation to join him and turn Pakistan into a jageer of Zardari and Sharif. Is that too difficult for you to understand?''...I know what u mean...r u saying that NAWAZ IS AN ANGEL........
#44 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 7:06:10 am
Khyber #40 Anyone can go around saying "sab chor haiN" (even Hamidm's illustrious abba jee was good at that). But to be credible you should be able to respond to simple questions in a reasonable manner. You have chosen to ignore the simple question I had for you in #36, despite my reminder.
#43 Posted by prohuman on March 13, 2009 7:00:29 am
Re: # 29
"........... nobody gives a flip about the droopy-eyed judge except the supreme court assaulting, cj firing, governor rule imposing, osama loving, khalifa-wannabe nawaz sharif ...........
nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!"
LOL!! Atta boy hamidm2. Count me in.
"........... nobody gives a flip about the droopy-eyed judge except the supreme court assaulting, cj firing, governor rule imposing, osama loving, khalifa-wannabe nawaz sharif ...........
nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!"
LOL!! Atta boy hamidm2. Count me in.
#42 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:59:23 am
CreateAlpha...These Politicians are using Justice for their political gain. I agree with your post but I think...Justice Chaudhry who alone can pull the nation out of this sorrowful and inherently destructive predicament by denying to the political tribe across the spectrum the excuse for their confrontationist politics. Expressing thanks to all those who have stood by him all along honestly and sincerely, he may announce that in the supreme national interest he is abdicating from his very legitimate right and going into voluntary retirement. His unilateral announcement will further ingratiate an already beholden nation to him. And the esteem in which the people hold him so dearly will reach new highs. For ever, he will live in their hearts’ deepest niches. And when the chroniclers sit down to write history of these times, they well pen down in golden letters that a great man and a great patriot he was, who subordinated his self to the sublime cause of his people’s good and his nation’s wellbeing. And in bold black will they write of those politicos who are using his repute and fame for their confrontationist or self-perpetuating politics.
#41 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:52:29 am
What have these politicians given to the nation, for which they are exacting such a high price on it? They divide up their time between home, where they land to agitate or to reign and rule, and abroad, where they keep stashed bundles of their slush cash and heaps of their prized properties, luxury apartments and booming businesses. But why have the masses become such a silent spectator of their inherently disastrous show, which could potentially push up their country to a precipice and hurt it irreparably. These charlatans and imposters masquerading as their leaders will feel no hurt. They have many places abroad to go to. But the masses have to live here; no place outside they have to go to. Their destiny is linked with this land; if it thrives, they flourish; if it sinks, they too will sink. They must stand up and condemn with their full-throated voice the outrageous feud of these partisans and in no event should they become part of it. This feud is not their feud. Where were these bigwigs when they were under the rule of the jackboots? Fugitives; were they not? Luxuriating in their palaces, chateaus and villas in distant resorts; were they not? And are they seeing the menacing clouds creeping in over their land from the western and the eastern horizons, which the masses are seeing with so much of dread and horror? Certainly, they are not. So the masses must abjure and denounce their feud, and ask them to stop it or face the consequences.
#40 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:46:01 am
38 tahmed32,I am not here to defend ZARDARI,Read between lines its NAWAZ OR ZARDARI or any other politician,to me they are all dishonest,they both had marriage of convenience but they were not even sincere to each other,I know everyone was happy before elections that ok they both are working together but these two had their own selfish agenda.Lets not forget that NAWAZ group did join his Govt in beginning . Even in functional democracies, political alliances do break up. But were these times for these two to separate and declare war? Weren’t it these times to get united, not get divided; to reconcile, not fight, and to engage, not disengage? Aren’t we in the clutches of a deadly extremism vilely threatening to destroy us to the roots and make a Somalia of us? Aren’t lawlessness and criminality of all brands evaporating the little bit of sense of security our people are left with? Aren’t foreign investors getting increasingly scared of doing any business with us? Aren’t we in the thicket of a declining economy and living on foreign loans and doles? And aren’t outsiders from one to all proclaiming that we on the way of becoming a failed state, if not have we become already? So what is that has impelled these two parties’ leaderships to act so irresponsibly as have they? Of course, both have their cheerleaders, who do cheer. But it is only jeers, and in bucketfuls, that the street has for both the two. So blemished and culpable is their track record that neither has a moral ground to strike the posture of grandstanding as are they doing now. So ugly is their past that the street hates even to spit at it. And they are making it uglier with the day with their petty politics and power plays.
#39 Posted by CreateAlpha on March 13, 2009 6:42:27 am
Khyber, do you think the army and politicos can do this if they didn't have the tacit support of the people? Pakistanis deserve every bit of what is happening. Hamidm makes a valid point.....why are you people in ur homes? Democracy doesn't get implemented top down alone. It also needs a bottoms up commitment. The so called civil society in karachi can organize thousands of kids wearing fake suicide vests, fake blood on their faces and carrying fake guns...screaming "death to joos".....
while their parents can't even come out to support a movement for installation of an independent judiciary-a cornerstone of democracy which people feign to aspire to. Something is very wrong here. It seems that pakistanis are perennial sufferers of a lack of intestinal fortitude and love for the next messiah.
while their parents can't even come out to support a movement for installation of an independent judiciary-a cornerstone of democracy which people feign to aspire to. Something is very wrong here. It seems that pakistanis are perennial sufferers of a lack of intestinal fortitude and love for the next messiah.
#38 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 6:30:47 am
Khyber: That is all very well. We can talk about any of these issues, and there are many things I would agree with you on. Nevertheless, would you care to respond to my simple question in #36?
#37 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:27:17 am
tahmed32,None of these Paki politicians are honest and sincere.Pakistan as a nation is failing miserably and corrupt and opportunist politicians and power hungry Generals are responsible for that. If Pakistan is bankrupt ,even all the loans from IMF, World Bank, Paris Club, London Club, overt and covert aid from US, and repeated refinancing of the debt have not worked because all that aid was stolen by Pakistani elite, politicians and Army Generals. Today we see POLITICAL FAILURE in Pakistan because of The military coups, suspension of constitutional law, murders of Bhuttos , reveal no evidence of a modern political culture or democracy and none of the politicians of this country were sincere to help growing that political culture in Pakistan, Pakistani politicians have no agenda for growth or development; no plans for health and education meaningful. Most of the Politicians lack qualifications, experience and even commitment to tackle the problems of the Country. Politics and power dominates their agenda and real issues of poverty, illiteracy and disease do not fare in their book. Anyone who expects them to lead the country to peace and prosperity must be dreaming. The representatives of the people need to pass certain tests of eligibility. Character, ability, a sense of responsibility and experience are necessary ingredients of that eligibility, but in Pakistani Politics we don’t see that,they are all failed politicans,FAZZULAH is a terrorist not a politician,in Pakistan Islam has been hijacked by SAUDI WAHABIISM,Saudis have financed the building of so many madrasas, which have filled the vacuum left by the collapse of state education. The Pakistani government could finance schools that taught Pakistanis to respect their own religious traditions, rather than buying fleets of American F-16 fighters and handing over education to the Saudis.
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 6:22:10 am
Khyber: if Nawaz Sharif was dishonest, he would have taken up Zardari's invitation to join him and turn Pakistan into a jageer of Zardari and Sharif. Is that too difficult for you to understand?
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 6:19:02 am
Khyber: So who is the honest man? Zardari? or Fazlullah badmash??
#33 Posted by KHYBER on March 13, 2009 6:17:50 am
NAWAZ HYPOCRITE
Nawaz Shariff loves to destabilize democracy and there is a long list of other politicians who share his fantasy of playing ugly role in failing Democracy. Nawaz Shariff is keep talking about Justice Iftikhar but he forgets that he was involved in attacking supreme court of Pakistan, on the other hand I think it will it be better for Justice Ifthikah to join PML(N) OR make his own political party because I am pretty sure that if Nawaz gets power, he will not reinstate him because Nawaz hands are not clean either. Nawaz Sharif is a big hypocrite. He had the Supreme Court physically attacked on 28th Nov 1997 but is now standing up for the independence of the judiciary just because he hates Musharraf. And another thing is that whatever these politicians want becomes the solution to everything. They wanted democracy, it was the "solution to everything". Now they want judiciary, it is the "solution to everything". Nawaz Sharif , talks of independence of judiciary but before doing that ,at least he should eliminate the culprits of Supreme court attack case from his party. A few months ago he categorically said the reinstatement of the judges is the most crucial issue facing the people of Pakistan. (Actually, I'm pretty sure the food and electricity crises are the most crucial issues facing the people of Pakistan. Then comes the threat of militancy and terrorism. You've got to put inflation in there too. Pakistani politicians have double standards, lets put it this way, Nawaz was after the daughter of chief justice Abdul Hameed Dogar but Nawaz forgets that Rules were bent in 1991 to admit Nawaz Sharif’s daughter Mariam Nawaz to King Edward Medical College in Lahore . According to reports Mariam was a grade-B student in matric and FSc and scored 580 out of 850, and 767 out of 1,100 in the two exams in 1989 and 1991 respectively , Clearly, she did not qualify for admission to the KEMC on open merit. She was admitted to the Army Medical College in Rawalpindi and was migrated after only a month to the KEMC, which she left without completing her degree it was ‘almost comical’ that having done something similar, the Sharifs were pointing fingers at the chief justice. PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif wants CJ Abdul Hameed Dogar to resign over allegation that his daughter received undue favor for admission in a private medical college, but he is yet to offer an apology for his own daughter Mariam actually receiving such favor for enrolment in a public sector medical college in 1991 ,I am not defending what DOGER done but all this corrupt Pakistani elite is in same boat. Its also interesting that Nawaz called Zardari worst then Musharaff but Nawaz forgets that his mentor (Dictaor Zia) was the worst dictator in Pakistan and he is no less than him. How will you promote the merit, Mr.Nawaz, you have yourself reached here on Zia's lap .We are fool to expect you anything. Mr Nawaz Sharif, people of Pakistan beg you to please not to destabilize country. People know in any hour of trial, you have your Palace and business in Saudi Arabia and you will flee in minutes but Pakistanis do not have any other place to live. Please stop playing your heinous designs and let us save PAKISTAN . So called politicians likeNawaz Sharif ,survive in politics based on their wealth and fudel background, lets not forget that majority of these politicians forefathers betrayed their nation and helped ENGLISH masters to rule Indian subcontinent . When Nawaz was leaving for Saudia Arabia, where was his pain for people of Pakistan or even of people of his own party. He left them all in crisis to have holidays in Saudi Palaces. He has been financing so called Jihadis and took funds from OSAMA to run his election campaign. In fact his political father Zia has laid all seeds of religious fanaticism. ,Benazir has lost her life ,even Gen Musharaff narrowly escaped two life attempts, ANP leadership suffered, but Do you know any leader of PML(N) to whom militants have posed life threats? If now after his political summersault he begins to believe that the problem lies in our home, Why didn’t he join hands with Zardari to crush out the militants? An indeed example of hypocrisy Nawaz Sharif .
Nawaz Shariff loves to destabilize democracy and there is a long list of other politicians who share his fantasy of playing ugly role in failing Democracy. Nawaz Shariff is keep talking about Justice Iftikhar but he forgets that he was involved in attacking supreme court of Pakistan, on the other hand I think it will it be better for Justice Ifthikah to join PML(N) OR make his own political party because I am pretty sure that if Nawaz gets power, he will not reinstate him because Nawaz hands are not clean either. Nawaz Sharif is a big hypocrite. He had the Supreme Court physically attacked on 28th Nov 1997 but is now standing up for the independence of the judiciary just because he hates Musharraf. And another thing is that whatever these politicians want becomes the solution to everything. They wanted democracy, it was the "solution to everything". Now they want judiciary, it is the "solution to everything". Nawaz Sharif , talks of independence of judiciary but before doing that ,at least he should eliminate the culprits of Supreme court attack case from his party. A few months ago he categorically said the reinstatement of the judges is the most crucial issue facing the people of Pakistan. (Actually, I'm pretty sure the food and electricity crises are the most crucial issues facing the people of Pakistan. Then comes the threat of militancy and terrorism. You've got to put inflation in there too. Pakistani politicians have double standards, lets put it this way, Nawaz was after the daughter of chief justice Abdul Hameed Dogar but Nawaz forgets that Rules were bent in 1991 to admit Nawaz Sharif’s daughter Mariam Nawaz to King Edward Medical College in Lahore . According to reports Mariam was a grade-B student in matric and FSc and scored 580 out of 850, and 767 out of 1,100 in the two exams in 1989 and 1991 respectively , Clearly, she did not qualify for admission to the KEMC on open merit. She was admitted to the Army Medical College in Rawalpindi and was migrated after only a month to the KEMC, which she left without completing her degree it was ‘almost comical’ that having done something similar, the Sharifs were pointing fingers at the chief justice. PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif wants CJ Abdul Hameed Dogar to resign over allegation that his daughter received undue favor for admission in a private medical college, but he is yet to offer an apology for his own daughter Mariam actually receiving such favor for enrolment in a public sector medical college in 1991 ,I am not defending what DOGER done but all this corrupt Pakistani elite is in same boat. Its also interesting that Nawaz called Zardari worst then Musharaff but Nawaz forgets that his mentor (Dictaor Zia) was the worst dictator in Pakistan and he is no less than him. How will you promote the merit, Mr.Nawaz, you have yourself reached here on Zia's lap .We are fool to expect you anything. Mr Nawaz Sharif, people of Pakistan beg you to please not to destabilize country. People know in any hour of trial, you have your Palace and business in Saudi Arabia and you will flee in minutes but Pakistanis do not have any other place to live. Please stop playing your heinous designs and let us save PAKISTAN . So called politicians likeNawaz Sharif ,survive in politics based on their wealth and fudel background, lets not forget that majority of these politicians forefathers betrayed their nation and helped ENGLISH masters to rule Indian subcontinent . When Nawaz was leaving for Saudia Arabia, where was his pain for people of Pakistan or even of people of his own party. He left them all in crisis to have holidays in Saudi Palaces. He has been financing so called Jihadis and took funds from OSAMA to run his election campaign. In fact his political father Zia has laid all seeds of religious fanaticism. ,Benazir has lost her life ,even Gen Musharaff narrowly escaped two life attempts, ANP leadership suffered, but Do you know any leader of PML(N) to whom militants have posed life threats? If now after his political summersault he begins to believe that the problem lies in our home, Why didn’t he join hands with Zardari to crush out the militants? An indeed example of hypocrisy Nawaz Sharif .
#32 Posted by nkg on March 13, 2009 6:09:56 am
Re: # 29
hamidm2...
"khilafat movement murdabad!..."
this is very bad...i feel OIC is somewhat loosely coupled islamic khalifa....
hamidm2...
"khilafat movement murdabad!..."
this is very bad...i feel OIC is somewhat loosely coupled islamic khalifa....
#31 Posted by nkg on March 13, 2009 6:09:55 am
Re: # 29
hamidm2...
"khilafat movement murdabad!..."
this is very bad...i feel OIC is somewhat loosely coupled islamic khalifa....
hamidm2...
"khilafat movement murdabad!..."
this is very bad...i feel OIC is somewhat loosely coupled islamic khalifa....
#30 Posted by nkg on March 13, 2009 6:08:27 am
Re: # 28
majumder...
man, this is worse than even Indian politics...we should wait for another set of dramas after 2009 GenElection...
majumder...
man, this is worse than even Indian politics...we should wait for another set of dramas after 2009 GenElection...
#29 Posted by hamidm2 on March 13, 2009 6:01:01 am
..... long march ... what long march?
...... the only thing we patetic pakis are long on are slogans and sloganeering ........ here we are, a nation 160 million strong, and a few hundred policemen armed with sticks are able to deter us from coming out on the streets ..... the only people i saw getting the beating they deserve were septuagenarian jamat-i-islami activists and a few unemployable lawyers ........... where is the rest of civil society? ....... more importantly, where are the unwashed masses ?
........... nobody gives a flip about the droopy-eyed judge except the supreme court assaulting, cj firing, governor rule imposing, osama loving, khalifa-wannabe nawaz sharif ...........
nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!
...... the only thing we patetic pakis are long on are slogans and sloganeering ........ here we are, a nation 160 million strong, and a few hundred policemen armed with sticks are able to deter us from coming out on the streets ..... the only people i saw getting the beating they deserve were septuagenarian jamat-i-islami activists and a few unemployable lawyers ........... where is the rest of civil society? ....... more importantly, where are the unwashed masses ?
........... nobody gives a flip about the droopy-eyed judge except the supreme court assaulting, cj firing, governor rule imposing, osama loving, khalifa-wannabe nawaz sharif ...........
nawaz sharif murdabad!
khilafat movement murdabad!
#28 Posted by majumdar on March 13, 2009 5:51:01 am
Tahmed sahib,
Looks like Mr 10% is going to be booted out and the Sharif brothers back in picture. Hamid mian should soon be chanting Nawaz Sharif Zindabaad
Regards
Looks like Mr 10% is going to be booted out and the Sharif brothers back in picture. Hamid mian should soon be chanting Nawaz Sharif Zindabaad
Regards
#27 Posted by tahmed32 on March 13, 2009 5:14:16 am
hamidm: your instinctive sychopancy for any individual who happens to be "president" wins you the Lota-e-Pakistan Award. Congratulations!!
#26 Posted by iron_mask on March 13, 2009 4:00:49 am
here is a broad (plausible framework):
(a) Musharuff was able to bring in US $$$$ and distribute it. As long as he was able to do it (and the price was right (sounds rather like a shady TV game) he was fine. When things went wrong
(b) BB stepped in and did a deal with the US and the local pols. Unfortuantely she was killed.
(c) between Zardari and Nawaz - there was an agreeemtn - but the agreement was not the paper zeemax sites - but an agreement on the $$$ zardari will bring in from the US and the distribution.
(d) something went wrong - either Zardari could not bring the required number of $$$$$$$ (likely) and hence could distribuet the$$$$4 properly (likely since he kept most of it for himself andhis henchmen).
(e) Nawaz is out for blood. He cannot do a "long March" for the $$$$$. but the face saving thing was the Judge issue. Otherwise do you realy expect us to believe that Nawaz is a Great Champion of the Rule of the law :D:D
(f) works great for the Pakistani elite. the gullible foreigners beleive that the country is unstable. Pay the price. And the $$$$$$ roll in and distribution back to normal....nawaz gets his share.
This is nautanki at its best. Zardari is a cool hand at this game.....better than Musharuff. Nawaz cannot lead the show, he can only be a supporting character in the nautanki.
(thanks to Sadna for nautanki)
(a) Musharuff was able to bring in US $$$$ and distribute it. As long as he was able to do it (and the price was right (sounds rather like a shady TV game) he was fine. When things went wrong
(b) BB stepped in and did a deal with the US and the local pols. Unfortuantely she was killed.
(c) between Zardari and Nawaz - there was an agreeemtn - but the agreement was not the paper zeemax sites - but an agreement on the $$$ zardari will bring in from the US and the distribution.
(d) something went wrong - either Zardari could not bring the required number of $$$$$$$ (likely) and hence could distribuet the$$$$4 properly (likely since he kept most of it for himself andhis henchmen).
(e) Nawaz is out for blood. He cannot do a "long March" for the $$$$$. but the face saving thing was the Judge issue. Otherwise do you realy expect us to believe that Nawaz is a Great Champion of the Rule of the law :D:D
(f) works great for the Pakistani elite. the gullible foreigners beleive that the country is unstable. Pay the price. And the $$$$$$ roll in and distribution back to normal....nawaz gets his share.
This is nautanki at its best. Zardari is a cool hand at this game.....better than Musharuff. Nawaz cannot lead the show, he can only be a supporting character in the nautanki.
(thanks to Sadna for nautanki)
#25 Posted by philosopher on March 13, 2009 3:08:25 am
Aey Long March ke Heroes tumhay salaam.
Chashm-e-nam,Jaan-e-Shorida kaafi nahiN
Tohmat-e-Ishq posheeda kaafi nahiN
Aaj Bazaar meiN pabajaulaN chalo
Dast afshaaN chalo, mast-o-raqsaaN chalo
Khaak barsar chalo,khuN badamaaN chalo
raah takta hai sab shehr-e-jaanaN chalo
Aaj bazaar meiN pabajaulaN chalo
haakim-e-sheher bhi majama�e aam bhi
subh-e-nashad bhi,roz-e-nakaam bhi
teer-e-ilzam bhi sange dushnam bhi
pa ba jaulaaN chalo, aaj bazaar meiN
inka damsaaz apne siwa kon hai
shehr-e-jaanaN mein ab basifa kon hai
dast-e-qaatil ke shaayaN raha kon hai
rakht-e-dil bandh lo, dilfigaaro chalo
phir humiN qatal ho aayeN yaaro chalo
p.s:unhee kay faiz se bazaar-e-aqal roshan hai
jo gahay gahay junooon ikhtiaar kartay hain.
Chashm-e-nam,Jaan-e-Shorida kaafi nahiN
Tohmat-e-Ishq posheeda kaafi nahiN
Aaj Bazaar meiN pabajaulaN chalo
Dast afshaaN chalo, mast-o-raqsaaN chalo
Khaak barsar chalo,khuN badamaaN chalo
raah takta hai sab shehr-e-jaanaN chalo
Aaj bazaar meiN pabajaulaN chalo
haakim-e-sheher bhi majama�e aam bhi
subh-e-nashad bhi,roz-e-nakaam bhi
teer-e-ilzam bhi sange dushnam bhi
pa ba jaulaaN chalo, aaj bazaar meiN
inka damsaaz apne siwa kon hai
shehr-e-jaanaN mein ab basifa kon hai
dast-e-qaatil ke shaayaN raha kon hai
rakht-e-dil bandh lo, dilfigaaro chalo
phir humiN qatal ho aayeN yaaro chalo
p.s:unhee kay faiz se bazaar-e-aqal roshan hai
jo gahay gahay junooon ikhtiaar kartay hain.
#24 Posted by iron_mask on March 13, 2009 3:05:09 am
Long March is a fraud!
This event is another in a long line of nautanki by the pakistani elite to create an image of catastrophe.
Terror threat did not work, taliban threat what not, geopolitical arguments,....now this.
Something else must be happening(or going to happen), or the elite are trying to extract more money from the US.
This long march is a fraud, not worth the lives it is taking and will take. The only winners are the elite and their secret numbered swiss bank accounts.
This event is another in a long line of nautanki by the pakistani elite to create an image of catastrophe.
Terror threat did not work, taliban threat what not, geopolitical arguments,....now this.
Something else must be happening(or going to happen), or the elite are trying to extract more money from the US.
This long march is a fraud, not worth the lives it is taking and will take. The only winners are the elite and their secret numbered swiss bank accounts.
#23 Posted by jayp on March 13, 2009 1:55:56 am
Mullen says Kayani not in favor of ‘coup’
Updated at: 1325 PST, Friday, March 13, 2009
WASHINGTON: US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen said like Pervaiz Musharraf, General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani not in favor of military coup.
In an interview to US television, Mullen said General Kayani is stanch supporter of democracy and does not want military coup in the country.
Admiral Mullen expressed concern over ongoing political crisis in Pakistan.
////from jang////
The price of hatred is slavery, here is a yanki telling what is in the mind of a paki general. The pakis do not realize that it is the hatred implicit in the TNT that has driven them to this sad state of affairs.
Updated at: 1325 PST, Friday, March 13, 2009
WASHINGTON: US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen said like Pervaiz Musharraf, General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani not in favor of military coup.
In an interview to US television, Mullen said General Kayani is stanch supporter of democracy and does not want military coup in the country.
Admiral Mullen expressed concern over ongoing political crisis in Pakistan.
////from jang////
The price of hatred is slavery, here is a yanki telling what is in the mind of a paki general. The pakis do not realize that it is the hatred implicit in the TNT that has driven them to this sad state of affairs.
#22 Posted by jayp on March 13, 2009 1:21:40 am
Pak orders 'foolproof' security for Sharif brothers
13 Mar 2009, 0037 hrs IST, AFP
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's government on Thursday ordered provincial authorities to ensure tight security for the main opposition leader Nawaz Sharif
and his brother when they attend public rallies.
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Hope the fool proof security in paki terms will be the ones the fools cannot breach, but any jihadi could. The like of security for benazir.
13 Mar 2009, 0037 hrs IST, AFP
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's government on Thursday ordered provincial authorities to ensure tight security for the main opposition leader Nawaz Sharif
and his brother when they attend public rallies.
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Hope the fool proof security in paki terms will be the ones the fools cannot breach, but any jihadi could. The like of security for benazir.
#21 Posted by jayp on March 13, 2009 1:12:30 am
Pseudo issues galore
As usual Beena has raised a non issue, the potential for violence during the long march and its consequences. There has been a war going on in the fata, more than a million are displaced, paki soldiers are kidnapped and released in exchange for release of jihadis, marriot got bombed, benzir got killed...and the good part os no one cares in pakistan. I recall when the CJ visited karachi, more than a hunderde got klled by the atlaf group.
Crime and violence is the daily chapatti of a paki, and why is any one worried about it. It is only the make believe civil society that Beena is trying to create is worried.
For the paki give them the daily killings of the jihadic kind.
As usual Beena has raised a non issue, the potential for violence during the long march and its consequences. There has been a war going on in the fata, more than a million are displaced, paki soldiers are kidnapped and released in exchange for release of jihadis, marriot got bombed, benzir got killed...and the good part os no one cares in pakistan. I recall when the CJ visited karachi, more than a hunderde got klled by the atlaf group.
Crime and violence is the daily chapatti of a paki, and why is any one worried about it. It is only the make believe civil society that Beena is trying to create is worried.
For the paki give them the daily killings of the jihadic kind.
#20 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 12, 2009 10:23:50 pm
Mr. H and Dr Chima ... you are thinking right direction. More time, money and lifes are wasted in searching illusive " democracy". Trying to look for things which do not exist is great degree of "lafangebazi". As dr said before we do not need this tamasha of democracy what we need id decent dictector who has basics well stuffed in his brains. No Gen A, Y and Z and M are all right dictectors but they have no standing in rank of real good dictectors. Most decent near to rank was Gen Z all others were of F Grades.
Good decent dictector never aspires to be loved by people. This fatal desire to be loved is starts down grading decent dictetor. He should be harsh and should not bother about "public relationship". What is point in being mr. D and aspire to be get elected. Decent dictector knows and never aspires to be loved but must aspire to be feared. He should not interact with people and be more secretive and that adds to fear of unknown. On an average he needs to weed bad apples and liquidate few just to show whoo is boss. We are in bad situation as like tiger can not eat vegetarian sandwiches we can not eat democry as fodder and we never will get decent mr. big D. Problem with our third rate mr. D is so pathetic they try to appease ordinary people and wants to be loved. Mr. Z is not feared , only those mountain men fortified with american trained Zmax type with his neck chopping machine have chance. REal big D knows not love but he knows fear is the key and he will never lower himself hoping people will like him.
With out mr. D ( Decent dictetor) thngs appear bleak.
Good day
Good decent dictector never aspires to be loved by people. This fatal desire to be loved is starts down grading decent dictetor. He should be harsh and should not bother about "public relationship". What is point in being mr. D and aspire to be get elected. Decent dictector knows and never aspires to be loved but must aspire to be feared. He should not interact with people and be more secretive and that adds to fear of unknown. On an average he needs to weed bad apples and liquidate few just to show whoo is boss. We are in bad situation as like tiger can not eat vegetarian sandwiches we can not eat democry as fodder and we never will get decent mr. big D. Problem with our third rate mr. D is so pathetic they try to appease ordinary people and wants to be loved. Mr. Z is not feared , only those mountain men fortified with american trained Zmax type with his neck chopping machine have chance. REal big D knows not love but he knows fear is the key and he will never lower himself hoping people will like him.
With out mr. D ( Decent dictetor) thngs appear bleak.
Good day
#19 Posted by prohuman on March 12, 2009 9:51:36 pm
From today's Editorial in Dawn Newspaper:
"Heralded as a national long march for the restoration of the deposed judges, Thursday’s showing in Karachi and Quetta has cast doubts on the ‘national’ tag of the movement. In both provincial capitals no more than a few hundred lawyers gathered and support from the opposition parties was noticeably scarce."
"Heralded as a national long march for the restoration of the deposed judges, Thursday’s showing in Karachi and Quetta has cast doubts on the ‘national’ tag of the movement. In both provincial capitals no more than a few hundred lawyers gathered and support from the opposition parties was noticeably scarce."
#18 Posted by zeemax on March 12, 2009 9:42:54 pm
... commented former lawyer and Australia-based analyst Mustafa Qadri ...
The esteemed liberaloon has-been couldn't find anyone in Pakistan to quote so finds some unknown nobody in Australia to clutch at straws.
The Caravan in the meantime moves on - relentlessly.
The esteemed liberaloon has-been couldn't find anyone in Pakistan to quote so finds some unknown nobody in Australia to clutch at straws.
The Caravan in the meantime moves on - relentlessly.
#17 Posted by anil on March 12, 2009 9:05:23 pm
Hamindm sahib:
Char in a row. Mamlaa kya hai? Char pegs nahin mile, ya Masadi par gussa ziayada hai.
Char in a row. Mamlaa kya hai? Char pegs nahin mile, ya Masadi par gussa ziayada hai.
#16 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:58:33 pm
tahmed mian,
......... are you going to join the dharna? ..... i know somone who delivers biryani in islamabad
#15 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:56:45 pm
........ how come the police didn't beat the crap out of professor ghafoor instead of politely opening the car door for him ? ...... is this how we treat criminals?
#14 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:54:27 pm
........... has anyone seen jack in the box khan ?
#13 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:51:15 pm
Re: # 12
cheema sahib,
.... this is what happens when a camel tries to walk like a horse ....... like i have said many times before, democracy hamaray mizaj kay mutabiq nahin hai ......... as we all know, moslems in general, and arabs in particular, only respect a strong and ruthless leader like hafiz asad and omar ibn khattab ...... democracy is for infidels and other riff raff ............
... zardari should stop acting like a democrat and hang all these rabble rousers from the lamposts on constitution avenue - i think he has what it takes to be good dictator if he puts his mind to it ......
cheema sahib,
.... this is what happens when a camel tries to walk like a horse ....... like i have said many times before, democracy hamaray mizaj kay mutabiq nahin hai ......... as we all know, moslems in general, and arabs in particular, only respect a strong and ruthless leader like hafiz asad and omar ibn khattab ...... democracy is for infidels and other riff raff ............
... zardari should stop acting like a democrat and hang all these rabble rousers from the lamposts on constitution avenue - i think he has what it takes to be good dictator if he puts his mind to it ......
#12 Posted by akcheema on March 12, 2009 8:33:22 pm
Re: # 11; hamidm sahib
hallelujah! they have found yet another messiah ... the drama continues unashamedly
no one is tackling the 'problem' head on ... and most consider the 'problem' to be the 'solution' (at least a part of the solution) ... and that is an even bigger 'problem'.
hallelujah! they have found yet another messiah ... the drama continues unashamedly
no one is tackling the 'problem' head on ... and most consider the 'problem' to be the 'solution' (at least a part of the solution) ... and that is an even bigger 'problem'.
#11 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 8:27:28 pm
....... does anyone remember ....
who tried to introduce the 15th amendment and become the khalifa ?
who removed cj sajjad ali shah?
who imposed governor rule in sindh?
who stormed the supreme court?
............... answer:
hang nawaz sharif!
#10 Posted by Skeptical on March 12, 2009 7:56:17 pm
Beena for God sake....stop this NFP like right wing ascendency analysis.....you are actually trying to avoid any criticism of PPP. When on performance basis nothing appreciative can be said about PPP, you come up with "right wing" analysis.
The problem is simple: mistakes of liberals result in right wing gains. That is why those with ba secular mindset have to be watchful and critical over what the liberal mainstream parties are doing. I remember seeing your article when Zardari gate crashed and totally bluffed his way into Presidency. You actually wrote a supportive article, actually blaming critics of nurturing a "male chauvanistic" and class ridden attitude towards Zardari because he has "feminine" attributes and belongs to lower class. Frankly no one is a fool. Now barely six months into his presidency, we are seeing the results.... Way back in 1960s when PPP was being formed, my family was a very part of it. We had close ties to ZAB. That was a party of intellectuals, liberals and above all the common man.....This party is a far cry from that....its time wrapped in Bhutto cult and now hijacked by a croony and disgusting person like Asif Zardari..... We can't blame its demise on just right wing chauvanism and conspiracies of "establishment". We have to open our eyes and learn to criticize it.......because when such a maninstream orginally left leaning party goes astray, liberalism loses. The right wing strenght comes on the heels of sins committed by PPP and Zardari.....lets face it
The problem is simple: mistakes of liberals result in right wing gains. That is why those with ba secular mindset have to be watchful and critical over what the liberal mainstream parties are doing. I remember seeing your article when Zardari gate crashed and totally bluffed his way into Presidency. You actually wrote a supportive article, actually blaming critics of nurturing a "male chauvanistic" and class ridden attitude towards Zardari because he has "feminine" attributes and belongs to lower class. Frankly no one is a fool. Now barely six months into his presidency, we are seeing the results.... Way back in 1960s when PPP was being formed, my family was a very part of it. We had close ties to ZAB. That was a party of intellectuals, liberals and above all the common man.....This party is a far cry from that....its time wrapped in Bhutto cult and now hijacked by a croony and disgusting person like Asif Zardari..... We can't blame its demise on just right wing chauvanism and conspiracies of "establishment". We have to open our eyes and learn to criticize it.......because when such a maninstream orginally left leaning party goes astray, liberalism loses. The right wing strenght comes on the heels of sins committed by PPP and Zardari.....lets face it
#9 Posted by Urstruly on March 12, 2009 7:47:30 pm
I think it is not a second chance for this nation but it is the second chance for corrupt, pro-western ruling elite. God forbid if this time it fails then there is nothing on this plant that will save them from the march of guillotines and firing squads.
But nonetheless all praise goes to the lawyers and citizens of Pakistan who are now standing tall in front of a corrupt, american-backed puppet regime of crooks, thugs and murderers. La'anat on napak fouj for installing this curse upon us. May all these madarchods rot in hell for selling this nation so cheap to their western masters. La'anat on these coward surrender monkeys for inflicting such misery, shame and pain upon all Pakistan because of their greed. Death be upon them bhenchods.
#8 Posted by Zeena on March 12, 2009 7:40:54 pm
These attornies are not stupid. They know hwat they're doing. Without actual judiciary, no country exist.
In my opinion Pakistan has no right to exist on the map of the world,if, there is no RESPECT for judiciary.
Time is NOW OR NEVER.
In my opinion Pakistan has no right to exist on the map of the world,if, there is no RESPECT for judiciary.
Time is NOW OR NEVER.
#7 Posted by Zeena on March 12, 2009 7:35:55 pm
tahmed sahib
I believe that Talibans should rescue Pakistan and behead zardari and other PPP clans once and for all.
I believe that Talibans should rescue Pakistan and behead zardari and other PPP clans once and for all.
#6 Posted by Zeena on March 12, 2009 7:34:24 pm
I am so proud to see highly qualified and intelligent Pakistani attornies to sacrifice for the poor people of Pakistan and to stand up against a civilian dictator, king zardari.
After seeing long March, I am once again hopeful for the future of Pakistan. Pakistanis are still alive, they are not dead.
This is just the beginning of real democracy.
And Please,some of you educate yourself on the real matter. Do you have any idea? why these highly qualified Pakistani attornies are on the streets?
It has got nothing to do with sharifs ministry. The whole idea is to reinstate real democracy via real judiciary in Pakistan. If, Pakistan won't have transparent and honest judiciary, then this country has no right even to exist. This is equal to committing suicide. Pakistan needs strong judiciary which can be independent of their decisions irrespective of parties.
Sharifs, Imran Khan and others along with Aitzaz hussain deserve all my respect to give this sacrifice for the sake of Poor Pakistanis.....and their future generations...
I salute all these attornies for opening up the doors for real democracy for the people of Pakistan....
After seeing long March, I am once again hopeful for the future of Pakistan. Pakistanis are still alive, they are not dead.
This is just the beginning of real democracy.
And Please,some of you educate yourself on the real matter. Do you have any idea? why these highly qualified Pakistani attornies are on the streets?
It has got nothing to do with sharifs ministry. The whole idea is to reinstate real democracy via real judiciary in Pakistan. If, Pakistan won't have transparent and honest judiciary, then this country has no right even to exist. This is equal to committing suicide. Pakistan needs strong judiciary which can be independent of their decisions irrespective of parties.
Sharifs, Imran Khan and others along with Aitzaz hussain deserve all my respect to give this sacrifice for the sake of Poor Pakistanis.....and their future generations...
I salute all these attornies for opening up the doors for real democracy for the people of Pakistan....
#5 Posted by hamidm2 on March 12, 2009 7:20:07 pm
Re: # 3
tahmed mian,
..... i beg to disagree with you ..... i agree with mr bhutto that nawaz sharif is a big fat cry baby who is guilty of sedition and mutiny - he and his big fat brother should be hung from the nearest tree if they can find a branch strong enough to support these deadweights .........
president zardari zindabad!
chief minister moonis elahi zindabad!
governor salman taseer zindabad! (i love those black mock turtle necks!)
tahmed mian,
..... i beg to disagree with you ..... i agree with mr bhutto that nawaz sharif is a big fat cry baby who is guilty of sedition and mutiny - he and his big fat brother should be hung from the nearest tree if they can find a branch strong enough to support these deadweights .........
president zardari zindabad!
chief minister moonis elahi zindabad!
governor salman taseer zindabad! (i love those black mock turtle necks!)
#4 Posted by Zeena on March 12, 2009 7:09:14 pm
Re: # 3 tahmed sahib
Yes, I am so proud that I am crying....
Yes, I am so proud that I am crying....
#3 Posted by tahmed32 on March 12, 2009 6:37:58 pm
I am so proud to be a Pakistani today because of these brave people taking to the streets, refusing to give up in their struggle to reinstate the Supreme Court.
#2 Posted by Zeena on March 12, 2009 5:33:20 pm
Go Zardari Go...
When Nawaz Sharif supported this corrupt, scum bag , evil and blood thirsty dictator King of Pakistan, Zardari ( who is not even qualified for a Peon post) to be the King of this unlucky failed state ( once upon a time called Pakistan), I was so depressed , disappointed and hopeless about Pakistan that I stopped calling myself , Pakistani.
I was ashamed to call my self Pakistani....I knew this scum bag Zardari doesn't have the character and morality to be the national leader. This man is a gift of BB for the poor and miserable people of Pakistan to make them more miserable and to throw them under the bus.
This Man, King Zardari neither has the wisdom , nor a political intellect to lead Pakistan.
But, Nawaz Sharif and others did this crime to select an incompetent man just for their own selfish motives....
We already predicted about Zardari what we're seeing now....Nothing new...
All Pakistanis brought this to themselves in the form of this demon, Zardari....
The only solution to Pakistan's crisis is to ban PPP forever and specially Bhutto family.....
We don't want anyone of Bhutto clan to be the next PM or King of Pakistan...Period!!!
PPP is the biggest scum bag which should be flushed in the toilet along with Talibans, Jamaat-e-Islami, and all Islamic extremists......
So, Pakistanis , why are you doing all this Long March? You got what you wanted....
When Nawaz Sharif supported this corrupt, scum bag , evil and blood thirsty dictator King of Pakistan, Zardari ( who is not even qualified for a Peon post) to be the King of this unlucky failed state ( once upon a time called Pakistan), I was so depressed , disappointed and hopeless about Pakistan that I stopped calling myself , Pakistani.
I was ashamed to call my self Pakistani....I knew this scum bag Zardari doesn't have the character and morality to be the national leader. This man is a gift of BB for the poor and miserable people of Pakistan to make them more miserable and to throw them under the bus.
This Man, King Zardari neither has the wisdom , nor a political intellect to lead Pakistan.
But, Nawaz Sharif and others did this crime to select an incompetent man just for their own selfish motives....
We already predicted about Zardari what we're seeing now....Nothing new...
All Pakistanis brought this to themselves in the form of this demon, Zardari....
The only solution to Pakistan's crisis is to ban PPP forever and specially Bhutto family.....
We don't want anyone of Bhutto clan to be the next PM or King of Pakistan...Period!!!
PPP is the biggest scum bag which should be flushed in the toilet along with Talibans, Jamaat-e-Islami, and all Islamic extremists......
So, Pakistanis , why are you doing all this Long March? You got what you wanted....
#1 Posted by muqaddam on March 12, 2009 2:03:40 pm
I think Sharif is right in protesting. It is apparent that Zardari has shortchanged him.
Any way, what a country! News item - 'Kayani publicly asks the President to clear up the political mess'. An Army Chief telling that to his country's Supreme Commander!
Any way, what a country! News item - 'Kayani publicly asks the President to clear up the political mess'. An Army Chief telling that to his country's Supreme Commander!
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