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#76, Pandhiani - Why are you so insistent on making this a discussion about Mukhtaran Mai? It’s not even about Pakistani laws about polygamy. I beg you to read the article again as I suggested earlier. It is about the practice of Polygamy wherever it takes place. Laws should be made to protect everyone, even if only a minuscule segment of the society is being impacted by an evil primitive practice. If only 1/100th of a percent practices anthropophagy doesn’t mean that Papua and Congo should protect their right to eat people.

Masadi Sahib, by religiously perverted I implied �Royally, and of extreme energy�. Islam was never meant. I choose my words carefully, you should too. Now let’s hear some thoughts about how the Polygamy can be outlawed. It is in most of the world.

Polygamy is better for the redistribution of wealth as well compared to monogamy especially where women are given right of property ownership and within the household they can trump men's power through collusion.
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First it was the author of this article who had no clue abt what goes on in the world and specifically in Pakistan and now we have another extreme. There are less than one percent people in Pakistan that are polygamist and a minuscule percentage of the one percentage has the kind of property that can have the kind of social impact that Mr. Asadi is talking about.

The only thing that can be in polygamist favor is that they provide legal cover to the women they marry. In the rest of the world, where polygamy is not legal or is not accepted socially, it takes many efforts and years in the legal system for the women to get legitimate rights for them and any kids that are conceived in the either one off sexual relationship or some other temporary relations where the woman is invariably referred to as a mistress.

Both sides have some merits and demerits but claiming that polygamy is good amounts to taking a contrarian approach and nothing else.

In Pakistan, the moneyed class and especially some landowners from the backward areas tend to marry again. There are several reasons for that one being; the first marriage is often imposed upon young children to save the property. One good example was ZAB himself. His most enlightened father, who held several prominent positions during the British days and had special relationship with the colonialist, forced his son to marry in the family at a tender age.

However, generally the polygamy problem does not have a major social impact on the society. The things that impact the society are mostly rape and kidnapping of the young girls and sometime forcible marriage to the kidnappers. After these girls are recovered, they are quickly married to someone to remove the scars of forced abduction and rape after a pseudo Nikah.

Comparing Mai’s rape and her attempt to have a legitimate married life, is just pathetic. Her marriage should never be used to launch a movement against the polygamy. Rape is the biggest blot a woman can have in Eastern societies and that unfortunate black mark persists as long as the woman lives. Marriage provides her a shield, perhaps in name only, but still is better than what she was going to face in her village.

She should be praised for her efforts to rehabilitate herself.

Kulharee to the mullah "Only a religiously perverted mind will think of bhangi, choorah, and jamadars as any less of human beings...."

Once again you reveal your perversion. The bhangi, choorah and jamadar are given status based on the position they fill in a structure of employment hierarchy that describes capitalist production and not a "religious mindset". Capitalism has removed the corporate work from house work, relegated the devalued housework only to women and thereby devalued their status. It takes a perverted capitalist mind (which most of these mullahs possess, they don't have a clue about the egalitarianism of Islam) that talks of churas and bhangis as less than human , and not religion....However since you are a pervert yourself you wont understand....
TNITC masadi

Only a religiously perverted mind will think of bhangi, choorah, and jamadars as any less of human beings. May be that’s what the scripture has taught some people. No good. A choorah will never lower himself to a Mulla level.

Turly Sahib, what else do you have to say about polygamy? Do you approve of it?

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FQ

Very well said, thoroughly enjoyed your article and 100% agreed.

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arif

tahmed to hamid "hamidm: did you get any traffic tickets in Utah confirming your memebership of the white race?"

There is no such thing as a "white" race. In fact there is no such thing as a "race" unless socially constructed by the white man to grant himself undue privilege and power...

TNITC masadi

I had sent the following to Majumdar to post when I was banned, here is what I had written in response to that dimwit Kulharee...

"Maj sahib,

Please inform friends and enemies that I have been banned again and will return to reply to Kulharee's BS. Also inform him that polygamy that is brought under legal control with rights established for women is much better than the serial monogamy and extramarital affairs that are widespread in the hypocritical so-called monogamous culture of the West. Polygamy is better for the redistribution of wealth as well compared to monogamy especially where women are given right of property ownership and within the household they can trump men's power through collusion. On the other hand gay sex is harmful in that its political use for boundary maintainence as in the US strengthens gender inequality through promotion of a particular family form as "normal". One wouldn't expect Kulharee the illiterate to dig deeper than the BS slogans of the US elite..."

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Hasho Sahib, I am almost certain that if you read this article a few times, you will begin to realize that it discusses that “where the laws of the land are tilted in favor of men and supported by scripture, women will continue to occupy subservient position in those societies". Honestly it is beyond me how you can possibly think that this is an insult to Mukhtaran Mai. The issue of Polygamy is lot bigger than Mukhtaran Mai. Quite frankly what is disgusting is someone not wanting such instances (including her gang rape) publicized so women can be kept in their place in some backward sections of Pakistan. Polygamy should be outlawed as it is outlawed in most of the world (including Turkey). Saying that the Law makes it very difficult for it to take place is not an intelligent argument if one wishes to take either position on this issue.

Re: # 65

hasho mian,

.... i think it is incumbent upon us to bring up the 'ahmedi stature' in every discussion with the true believers ...... this is just to remind them that they are a bunch of bigots and that anything they say has has little or no credibility ......

Just wondering if my being an Ahmadi Muslim upsets you.

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You are the one who brings up his Ahmedi stature in every discussion. I did not refer to it in any of my posts. However, I object to your making fun of a victim(MM) by writing an article relating to her personal affairs and you did not even fact check your claims on polygamy laws in Pakistan.

The problem with you is the that anyone other than an ahmedi is not a victim for you. He/she are just objects to make fun or ridicule their plight and the horrible circumstances they might be in.

Throughly disgusting!

#52 Posted by hamzaad on March 28, 2009 12:45:09 am

Is it true that you copied pasted expressions from a blogger and then AlphaNull exposed it?
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Badzaat, Are you talking abt the same alephnull or A-lun/Algay who wrote a precis of Richard Dwakins book abt the Meme Complex and presented that his own ideas without blinking an eye? Must be your guru!

Re: # 62

tahmed mian,

..... i know that you have found another 'cause' to fight for now that the droopy-eyed pco-1 judge has been reinstated, but you don't have to pick on women who don't mind sharing their man with other women ....... let's not forget that good folks like our prophet (pbuhahc) and abraham kept a well stocked stable of fillies and a few nags