Feroz Qutabshahi March 24, 2009
#30 Posted by NandanVaidya on March 27, 2009 7:18:02 am
Very well presented article. No religious biases. Article treats subject at very basic Human level with no godly/prophet justifications attached.
As a child I would have felt miserable if my father and/or mother had been polygamous. By that same token, my child has a birth right to have monogamous parents. Father and Mother who consider personal libido desires more important than child’s emotional wellbeing are biggest curse a child can have. And this in itself is good enough reason to abolish polygamy/polyandry.
As a child I would have felt miserable if my father and/or mother had been polygamous. By that same token, my child has a birth right to have monogamous parents. Father and Mother who consider personal libido desires more important than child’s emotional wellbeing are biggest curse a child can have. And this in itself is good enough reason to abolish polygamy/polyandry.
#29 Posted by tahmed32 on March 27, 2009 5:51:55 am
ahmedmadani: So that little toad who sounds as if he has an advanced case of some rare mental disease when he starts gibbering is Quiad a awam? and you claim he is a leader of the Sindhi people?? The only Sindhi who seems to even want to talk to him is Zardari, and that is because both are crooks.
You have no shame when you make up such lies, mr. madani??
You have no shame when you make up such lies, mr. madani??
#28 Posted by tahmed32 on March 27, 2009 5:45:16 am
BJ2: Mukhtaran Mai can hardly be considered to be under anyone's thumb (the Washington Post had an article on her a couple of years back titled "A courageous Pakistani woman"). So you must mean that it is Zeena who is under the thumb. I will now step aside and let Zeena (if she is around) tell you what she thinks of this charge against her.
#27 Posted by BJ2 on March 26, 2009 7:17:18 pm
#12 Posted by tahmed32
[BJ2: what if the women earn a living? would the profit-making motive, not to mention the sex drive, cause men to accept polygamy? Shouldnt it then be in the self interest of men to burn boy's schools in Pakistan, destroy male fetuses in India while promoting the education of girls at the same time?]
Tauheed sahib janab, I assure you that empowered women act very different from those who are kept under the thumb. How different? I suggest you compare my little sis Zeena with Mukhtaran mai and you will get the idea.
[BJ2: what if the women earn a living? would the profit-making motive, not to mention the sex drive, cause men to accept polygamy? Shouldnt it then be in the self interest of men to burn boy's schools in Pakistan, destroy male fetuses in India while promoting the education of girls at the same time?]
Tauheed sahib janab, I assure you that empowered women act very different from those who are kept under the thumb. How different? I suggest you compare my little sis Zeena with Mukhtaran mai and you will get the idea.
#26 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 26, 2009 6:53:39 pm
Re: # 20 I do not react to you generally as in your case T stands for "tiny" brain and I am charitable person.
Last timeyou made some hateful comments about Quiad E Awam Mr. Hussain. Tere was no reason, but you like to abuse him as Altaf Hussain is patriot for Sindhi people and he wants real freedom for provinces. He has supported president so there is no problem of Instability. Also he serves ling etwwen Gen. M and President Z to have good relations as nation is more not more but VVVIMP than people. He is only person urging for peace and helps to bring down mental instability of Mr.Z. When Z was in trouble in CJ stuff Mr. Hussain respected contactng of Mr. Bhutto Jr ( Bilawal) as young brother and through Bilawal bring back Prsident Z to sense and for survival of presidency and nation as mr. NS was on war path. Now he can not come to Karachi at this time as MQM Internation HQ ( Like politBeuro) ruleds out his return for stratergic reasons. MQM strength lies with Quaid E Awam. Obviously like chase game ( this more deadly game where leaders are shot and killed and succession through assisinations and taking over of power and whole players are changed that is fact)te king is to be protected at al times, at times even queen can be sacraficed , pawns have no value. A wise army never allows it top genral to get exposed to unnecessary dangers as whole armies faith depends on Commonder in Chief. If he comes back there are many people who can do same thing what was done genral Z ( blowing up), or Mrs Bhutto ( bombing) or Bhutto Sr ( Legal killing). He is better for people of Sindh their leader is safe and and well beyond range of Guns. I hope this you can understand and understand why supreme policy making body of International MQM higher leadership forbid Altaf return and asa democratic , nonfedual person he has to follow advice and live boring life in london . He is philosopher King andhas given his opinions on variert of subjects and people who want to get benefit from his knowledge and experience should visit MQM site and help themselves in furthring their knowledge and learn from wisdom.
Let us hope somejokers will nt star prosecuation of Ge M aand his Lawyer Legendary Leagal Eagle mr. P who has served so many decads andhave eceived highest kitab from govt. Hope they understand implications if they toch General Karachi wil be uncontrolable only one person can control is A. H. So jokers do not playwith fire be respectful of A.H. for he is very generous to friends is deadly fetal more poisonous than Cobra. Hope common sense will prevail.
Good day.
Last timeyou made some hateful comments about Quiad E Awam Mr. Hussain. Tere was no reason, but you like to abuse him as Altaf Hussain is patriot for Sindhi people and he wants real freedom for provinces. He has supported president so there is no problem of Instability. Also he serves ling etwwen Gen. M and President Z to have good relations as nation is more not more but VVVIMP than people. He is only person urging for peace and helps to bring down mental instability of Mr.Z. When Z was in trouble in CJ stuff Mr. Hussain respected contactng of Mr. Bhutto Jr ( Bilawal) as young brother and through Bilawal bring back Prsident Z to sense and for survival of presidency and nation as mr. NS was on war path. Now he can not come to Karachi at this time as MQM Internation HQ ( Like politBeuro) ruleds out his return for stratergic reasons. MQM strength lies with Quaid E Awam. Obviously like chase game ( this more deadly game where leaders are shot and killed and succession through assisinations and taking over of power and whole players are changed that is fact)te king is to be protected at al times, at times even queen can be sacraficed , pawns have no value. A wise army never allows it top genral to get exposed to unnecessary dangers as whole armies faith depends on Commonder in Chief. If he comes back there are many people who can do same thing what was done genral Z ( blowing up), or Mrs Bhutto ( bombing) or Bhutto Sr ( Legal killing). He is better for people of Sindh their leader is safe and and well beyond range of Guns. I hope this you can understand and understand why supreme policy making body of International MQM higher leadership forbid Altaf return and asa democratic , nonfedual person he has to follow advice and live boring life in london . He is philosopher King andhas given his opinions on variert of subjects and people who want to get benefit from his knowledge and experience should visit MQM site and help themselves in furthring their knowledge and learn from wisdom.
Let us hope somejokers will nt star prosecuation of Ge M aand his Lawyer Legendary Leagal Eagle mr. P who has served so many decads andhave eceived highest kitab from govt. Hope they understand implications if they toch General Karachi wil be uncontrolable only one person can control is A. H. So jokers do not playwith fire be respectful of A.H. for he is very generous to friends is deadly fetal more poisonous than Cobra. Hope common sense will prevail.
Good day.
#25 Posted by anil on March 26, 2009 6:47:56 pm
Re: # 23
Masadi sahib:
"....as people did with every truth presented by the prophets...."
So you regard yourself as a prophet, and Muhammad as the final prophet.
Masadi sahib:
"....as people did with every truth presented by the prophets...."
So you regard yourself as a prophet, and Muhammad as the final prophet.
#24 Posted by wiseguyin on March 26, 2009 4:29:04 pm
Re: # 23
Those that worship the false will invent reasons to reject the truth, never mind those reasons are high stinking BS
He he .... coming from a muslim !
Now thats tall :D
Those that worship the false will invent reasons to reject the truth, never mind those reasons are high stinking BS
He he .... coming from a muslim !
Now thats tall :D
#23 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 4:21:15 pm
Anil, don't act like a jamadar and get off my case. people can read my ilogs and interacts to see what predictions I came up with, like a dishonest idiot when stumpted, you will find excuses....as people did with every truth presented by the prophets. Those that worship the false will invent reasons to reject the truth, never mind those reasons are high stinking BS.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#22 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 4:19:44 pm
tahmed pushing the BS American pov like the "invisible" WMDs just like you are about the "invisible" Taliban government in Baluchistan is all too convenient to promote US barbarism...It wont work to fool people this time, you were made to eat your BS about Iraq now I suggest you eat your sh** regarding Baluchistan.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#21 Posted by anil on March 26, 2009 2:09:14 pm
Tahmed sahib:
Masadi has a knack of reading others handwritings on the wall and turns around to call it as his prediction. With few more miracles he may be contesting for the sainthood the second one after mother Teresa.
However, I do wonder why his predictions about Elites & Co does not come true. Many before him have waited and gone with the wind.
Inka kya hashar hoga, inka khuda jaane.
Masadi has a knack of reading others handwritings on the wall and turns around to call it as his prediction. With few more miracles he may be contesting for the sainthood the second one after mother Teresa.
However, I do wonder why his predictions about Elites & Co does not come true. Many before him have waited and gone with the wind.
Inka kya hashar hoga, inka khuda jaane.
#20 Posted by tahmed32 on March 26, 2009 1:42:11 pm
Masadi: Someone has already invaded Pakistan's Baluchistan. And it is not the US. To find out, I suggest you travel to Baluchistan, and no doubt you will see for yourself the ugly faces of the taliban. The invaders that Pakistanis refuse to see.
#19 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 1:21:06 pm
Biden's six months are fast approaching, prepare for the US invasion of Pakistan's Baluchistan....the prepping of the US public has begun already....read Pavos blog and yesterday's NYT report...
TNITC predicted this long before the US got rid of BB.
TNITC masadi
TNITC predicted this long before the US got rid of BB.
TNITC masadi
#18 Posted by philosopher on March 26, 2009 11:38:15 am
Masadi sahib
Aap Qiblay-i- mohhtraam nay jau kuchh abhi farmaya hai beech maslay-e-femisnism(nisaaeet) ke, main bohat ahtraam aur aajzee kay aap say darpaish maslay per Ikhtalaaf karna cha raha tha,laikin Hazoor ki ghazab naak aur qahiraana mizaj-e-garami(garam) ki waja say meri himaat zuban aur ilfaaz ka saath dainay mein ta'amul barat rahi hai.
Masadi sahib,I am Moron,AH, anything you may call but I am not certainly one thing and that is "peon of the west".I have gathered all the courage in the world to ask you in the humblest possible way,kay hazooor ki zaat-e-waala sifaat kaisay feminism,marxism aur methodology of religion ka itnay kamaal-e-maharaat se "tarka" laga laitay hain.
masadi mian, in my opinion(and i am serious) you are the most brilliant guy on chowk and i firmly believe that
most of the chowkies are not even worth responding to when it comes to serious intellectual discourse but there is a huge problem with your temperament.I don't know why you have to stoop to their level.I have always wanted to share my own insight with you on these issues but your language pisses me off.I want to share, learn and dare i say correct you(Don't jump the gun yet please) on certain issues.I have some real problems with your understanding on the issues like,methodology and the philosophical basis of the Marxism,Feminism,methodology of religion(islam, that you have posted on your website).I am great fan of your intellectual skills and knowledge but i still think that there are some serious gaps in your scholarships.(God help me now).
Regards.
Aap Qiblay-i- mohhtraam nay jau kuchh abhi farmaya hai beech maslay-e-femisnism(nisaaeet) ke, main bohat ahtraam aur aajzee kay aap say darpaish maslay per Ikhtalaaf karna cha raha tha,laikin Hazoor ki ghazab naak aur qahiraana mizaj-e-garami(garam) ki waja say meri himaat zuban aur ilfaaz ka saath dainay mein ta'amul barat rahi hai.
Masadi sahib,I am Moron,AH, anything you may call but I am not certainly one thing and that is "peon of the west".I have gathered all the courage in the world to ask you in the humblest possible way,kay hazooor ki zaat-e-waala sifaat kaisay feminism,marxism aur methodology of religion ka itnay kamaal-e-maharaat se "tarka" laga laitay hain.
masadi mian, in my opinion(and i am serious) you are the most brilliant guy on chowk and i firmly believe that
most of the chowkies are not even worth responding to when it comes to serious intellectual discourse but there is a huge problem with your temperament.I don't know why you have to stoop to their level.I have always wanted to share my own insight with you on these issues but your language pisses me off.I want to share, learn and dare i say correct you(Don't jump the gun yet please) on certain issues.I have some real problems with your understanding on the issues like,methodology and the philosophical basis of the Marxism,Feminism,methodology of religion(islam, that you have posted on your website).I am great fan of your intellectual skills and knowledge but i still think that there are some serious gaps in your scholarships.(God help me now).
Regards.
#17 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 10:14:56 am
cannot be considered oppressive to women, compared to any other system.
#16 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 10:13:59 am
That said Kulharee's purpose in this article is just to disparage Islam out of ignorance and kiss the a$$ of his masters the US elite, the sell out brown sahib that he is. A system based on peace, i.e. Islam, where just compensation for child bearing is made compulsory, where the pains and travails of reproductive labor is recognized, and where women are made just sharers in property and where they are given a voice in household disputes and a chance to end the marital relationship can be considered oppressive to women, compared to any other system. And finally the Quran's statement 'badokum mim baad', the one is as/from the other showing equality of status busts the myths of the brown sahibs and they hypocritical gora sahibs who because they devalued women treated colonized races as is they were women.....God damn them all
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#15 Posted by masadi on March 26, 2009 10:10:05 am
clueless writes "Physical weakness is a boon for women"
There is no such thing, it takes great physical strength to bear a child and great pain to deliver it that can equal anything that men might be able to do with their "strength"- these images are perpetrated by those that want to promote the breadwinner/housewife model of family one that very few people can maintain while in many premodern societies women work like "mules" and when the capitalist system wants to use them as mules then "strength" doesn't become an issue does it- this BS strength business is part trained incapacity and result of division of labor and part politics of gender...
TNITC masadi
There is no such thing, it takes great physical strength to bear a child and great pain to deliver it that can equal anything that men might be able to do with their "strength"- these images are perpetrated by those that want to promote the breadwinner/housewife model of family one that very few people can maintain while in many premodern societies women work like "mules" and when the capitalist system wants to use them as mules then "strength" doesn't become an issue does it- this BS strength business is part trained incapacity and result of division of labor and part politics of gender...
TNITC masadi
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