Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy

ok - we know mullah32 is an idi0t, but let's indulge him... if india were a relevant factor in paki politics - then pakis would blame india even more for their own follies - just like they US right now...

Anycase - how can India establish itself as a "factor" in paki "politics" where entire paki poltics and ideology is based on being anti-india?... LOL

Pardesi #237 That would certainly help expose the bluff of those in the Pakistan military who refuse to go all out against the taliban. But if the Indian government was that smart, it wouldnt have steadily reduced itself to basically an irrelevant factor in Pakistan politics, good only as an excuse by taliban-sympathizing traitors in Pakistan.

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"...What kind of system and society would have him, with his pathetic knowledge of almost everything, including Islam for which he supposedly stands up, as a public figure?..." Ejaz Haider

Wow, Ejaz Haider so accurately described dear Masadi ji.

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The best help India can give is a guarantee that there would be no shaitani on the border when Pakistan uses its forces (as many as needed) to clear Taliban threat. This guarantee can be enforced by US/Western/Chinese forces stationed at the India/Pakistan borders.

What's needed is right ordering of Pakistani priorities and balls to do it's own dirty work rather than looking for others to do it.

HE OTHER COLUMN: Up shitcreek —Ejaz Haider

Listen to Haji Muslim Khan on tv channels. What kind of system and society would have him, with his pathetic knowledge of almost everything, including Islam for which he supposedly stands up, as a public figure?

Apropos the faith -reviving video from Swat: let me congratulate, not necessarily in the same order, various people — Mr Imran Khan, the Jama’at-e Islami leadership, Lt-Gen Hameed Napoleon Gul, the ANP government in the NWFP, the majority of Urdu-language columnists, some English ones who write poetic prose, and yes, tv anchors and my fellow Pakistanis.

Finally, we have something to emulate, straight from the pure times of the rightly-guided caliphs. Islam, ladies and gentlemen, is here. General Zia’s dream has been fulfilled. Allah be praised.

Since yesterday I have this strange sensation coursing through my veins, the feeling one gets after reading about the brave Muslims of yore in a Naseem Hijazi novel. I can’t forget the sight of three specimens of Islam’s purity, two of them pinning down a fallen young woman and one flogging her backside for having allegedly committed zina while the girl, may she be damned, cried and repented.

This is Islamic justice at its most effective. It is simple, straight, speedy, effective, earthy and devoid of the meanderings and trappings of modern existence, historical accretions and bid’a-infested innovations. That’s the stuff the satanic West is made of.

Okay, sure. I am bullshitting. But really? How far from the truth am I? Let me recount.

Columnist upon columnist has been writing about the brave Taliban in Afghanistan; how Taliban rule had recreated khilafat-e rashida; how there was peace in that country; how everyone was secure and so on.

Mr Khan has been hell-bent on reversing all his great contributions to this country, both as a scintillating cricketer and a remarkable philanthropist, by misguiding this nation on issues of politics and inter-state relations — about which his knowledge rivals only that of a kindergarten student. He has been talking incessantly about ghairat, how this is not our war and how our sovereignty is under attack from outside etc etc.

The Napoleon, Lt-Gen Gul — or shall I say Hans Guderian, since Gen Gul is an armoured corps officer and not a gunner — has been mouthing his conceptions of grand strategies even as he carries the weight on his shoulders of the shameful defeat in Jalababad, a veritable fiasco.

The religious parties, especially JI, have been fudging issues and telling lies about everything under the sun.

C’mon folks. Go back and focus on the discourse in this country. From news anchors and tv hosts to columnists and experts and politicians. Revisit the days of the extraction operation against Lal Masjid and how we dealt with that. Recall how we have done everything possible to pull down the state in our enthusiasm to voice dissent on the basis of democracy which, incidentally, will be the first concept to lick the dust when the warriors come knocking on the doors.

I had a hard time deciding how to deal with this issue of the flogging of a girl in Swat: express my deep resentment at the obscenity I saw or congratulate fellow Pakistanis for having successfully brought the state to this. Listen carefully to what people say on tv; deconstruct the discourse; discover the lies; the dissembling; the fudging and you would know why the flogging happened in Swat.

I carried an article some weeks ago in these pages by Nasir Abbas Mirza (“How we lost Swat�, Daily Times, March 9). Go and reread it to see how and why Swat has been lost and how and why we are likely to lose the rest of Pakistan. I see outrage now. Why? Was everyone sleeping?

The Urdu-language tv channels, for the most part, should be ashamed of the role they have played in giving airtime to the likes of Mr Khan, our various Napoleons and moronic politicians; for asking leading questions; for allowing them the opportunity to mouth crap; for supporting extremists in the name of jihad; for giving these thugs an aura of respectability and acceptability.

So what the hell are we shocked about? Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. It’s as simple as that. We are still unclear and confused about the threat. Every outrage begets a standard response: “Muslims can’t do this; this is a conspiracy�. In which case, we deserve what happened in Swat; in fact, far from expressing any outrage, we should celebrate the incident.

The truth, however, is that Muslims can do this and more. They are doing it and will continue to do it. Listen to Haji Muslim Khan on tv channels. What kind of system and society would have him, with his pathetic knowledge of almost everything, including Islam for which he supposedly stands up, as a public figure?

Listen to his fudging and his threats. Listen to what ANP minister Zahid Khan had to say about this being the tip of the iceberg. The question is not about when this incident was filmed but the fact that it did happen; also, that the Taliban, according to their admission, have been giving these punishments and will continue to do so since this is what shariat calls for.

Well, how about telling them to stuff it; that we do not accept such barbaric and medieval practices in today’s world; that Pakistani society is sophisticated enough to reject, in categorical terms, the obscenity the Taliban stand for.

Are we prepared to do it; or will we remain confused about the nature, direction and extent of this threat?

Finally, hello Pakistan Army. Are you guys there? I remember the in-camera briefing given to a select group of analysts back in November 2007. We were told that come March 2008, Swat would be reclaimed. Whatever the hell happened to that? Would someone tell me?

But before I sign off, let me make a confession. Insert in all spaces whatever expletives you can think of because they are all there. That’s the kind of column I wanted to write.

Who gives a f*** about niceties, intellectual and of other varieties, in the face of an existential threat that a collection of people has brought upon itself simply because they have some morbid notion of religion coursing through the body politic. I don’t.

So, fellow Pakistanis, here you are: up shitcreek without a paddle. Enjoy!

Ejaz Haider is Consulting Editor of The Friday Times and Op-Ed Editor of Daily Times. He can be reached at sapper@dailytimes.com.pk

prophetboy...don't go beheading your wife like that bridges tv guy...

Suicide attacks result of US policies: Imran

http://www.geo.tv/4-5-2009/39137.htm


LAHORE: Chief of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Imran Khan and other leaders of the country expressing concern on the increasing terrorist activities, have demanded of the government to give up what they called being slave to the US and ensure safety to the life and property of the people.

In a statement issued here, Imran Khan and other leaders of TI condemned the drone attacks in North and South Waziristan and the suicide attacks in Islamabad, Chakwal and Miranshah.

#233 arjun90: i protest this indian sweatshop that forces you to stay on duty on chowk even over weekends, repeating the 10 gora phrases they taught you and the chimpanzee in the next cage!! even india-men have rights!!

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hamidm: so which is the real hamidm - the martial-race-conqueror-of-kashmir hamidm or sheikh-rashid's-lota hamidm?

Re: # 205 Posted by hamidm2 on April 5, 2009


Hamid mian,

Are you now ready for asking UNSC to send in an international force under Chapter 7 to get rid of the ills facing the state of Pakistan?

[.. please help us instead of lecturing us ! ....... help!]

Only an international force can save the Pakistani state.

Remember US is bound by War powers act to operate in Afghanistan only. Besides there is more work to be done in FATA than in Afghanistan.

So are you willing now to accept some humility?

Re: # 211 Posted by hamidm2 on April 5, 2009 6:35:11 am

Hamid mian,

I couldn't help but LOL.

[.. so, stop acting like a cowardly bania and help us! please..]

Help you for what? They'll say that you brew in your own stew.

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tahmed mian,

... there is an advantage to being a lota .... when the taliban take over - which should be soon - i will simply grow a beard, start shaving my pubic hair, hike up my shalwar, trade in my tooth brush for a twig from the kiker tree, get someone to hit me between the forehead with a two by four to get an instant mark of the devil, bruise my ankles, buy a tasbeeh, stop taking a shower so that i can smell like a sheep, take a sheep for a special friend and i will be just fine ............ you, my friend, on the other hand will be tied to a post and whipped across your buttocks and then taken down and beheaded .......

baitullah mehsud zindabad !

roses are red
violets are blue
you continue to support the jihadis
who are now killing you..


April 6, 2009
In Pakistan, 3 Suicide Attacks in 24 Hours
By JANE PERLEZ and PIR ZUBAIR SHAH

ISLAMABAD — A suicide bomber blew himself up at the entrance to a crowded Shiite mosque just south of the capital on Sunday, killing at least 26 people. It was the third suicide attack in Pakistan in 24 hours, in a sign that the Pakistani Taliban are overwhelming the nation’s security forces.

The assault south of the capital, Islamabad, appeared to be carefully crafted. It took place in Chakwal, a town that historically has had strong ties to the Pakistani Army, and in a Shiite mosque, which have come under increasing attack by the Pakistani Taliban.

The bombing occurred about 12 hours after a suicide bomber struck in an upper-class neighborhood of Islamabad on Saturday night, killing eight paramilitary security officers assigned to guard foreign diplomats and well-to-do residents. On Saturday morning, a suicide bomber drove his vehicle into a group of civilians on the side of the road in Miram Shah, in North Waziristan, killing at least eight people, including schoolchildren.

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Hakimullah Mehsud, a powerful deputy to Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, said the Taliban were responsible for the suicide attacks in Islamabad and Chakwal.

He said the Islamabad bombing was in retaliation for an attack against him by an American pilotless aircraft, known as a drone, on April 1 in Orakzai, southwest of Peshawar in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. The attack killed at least 10 people, intelligence officials said.

Anyway...like this madani guy says...have a g'night...sleep tight.