Young Turks’ Revolution for Pakistan

Very noble amusing and a bit far fetched thinking. Well frankly Pakistan army, with its doctrine of Mard e Mujahid Jag Zara ab waqt e shahadat hai aaya, can not provide that kind of revolutionary force. Secondly, in Pakistan army compared to Bangladesh or Indian army, dissent has never been a tendency. Rank and obeyence is the hallmark of this army, which ironically makes it a very disciplined force. Its that lack of dissent which ensured Musharraf's rule. An other important factor is the geographical composition of the army. A sizeable bulk is from central and north Punjab, which by no means is a region known for liberal politics.

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Though it will be between 70% to 80%...India is still lagging behind lot of other countries....

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VRV...
Pakistan is treated as part of Middle east...
Now, here is a article, on how India is lagging from other Asian countries

http://www.funonthenet.in/forums/index.php?topic=131232.0

I don't think they have included Bangladesh and Pakistan as part of Asia....or calculated the parameters in musla scale than human scale.....

Sanatani,

Thanks for the detailed response but it's full of misplaced arguments and non-facts. Sorry to say but ur argumentation is based on raw motions.

Religion has little place in modern state structure.

Individual choices and freedoms reign supreme. The pre-modern realities like religion & morals take back seat and cede precedence to citizenship & codified law respectively. Our Constitution and Law reflects these modern realities.

Religion & morals keep influencing the modern realities but would never override them.

Finally, the concept of minority shud not apply to Muslims and Christians as they're not endangered in India any more. Any religious or ethnic group whose numbers are 3% or above shud NOT be treated as a minority.


NKG,

I see thru ur mischief. ;)

forget turkeys...pakis are the other bird..you know..the one that buries it's head in the sand..

Re: # 19
VRV...
At least Pakistan can have the excuse of adopting Islam as the cause of destruction....how will you describe current pathetic state of India? India is in far worse state than it supposed to be and Pakistan, despite an islamic state is doing good ( compare that with Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan etc..., Pakistan is far ahead. On the contrary, India is lagging from most of the Asian countries like Thailand, Vietnam, China, Korea and Srilanka....)....

Re: # 19
VRV...
At least Pakistan can have the excuse of adopting Islam as the cause of destruction....how will you describe current pathetic state of India? India is in far worse state than it supposed to be and Pakistan, despite an islamic state is doing good ( compare that with Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan etc..., Pakistan is far ahead. On the contrary, India is lagging from most of the Asian countries like Thailand, Vietnam, China, Korea and Srilanka....)....

Can young turks wait until next winter. You know summer is coming and it gets really hot, dusty, and sweaty in this damn country. It will be really hard to go out and talk to ordinary people out there and convince them to be secular and all that. Sun is not good for complexion either.

Re: # 19

Let us examine all your points 1 by 1

Sanatani,

Modern concept of citizenship is based on birth and nativity but not based on religion.

This is since when. Originally the two were linked wherever there was a concept of citizenship except of course in India from the time when we gave the early christians and jews shelter here. In all other states the two were linked except if an area came under conquest. Notice how the early japs and sinos dealt with christus. Ok and when you say modern you mean as defined by the west like say Germany which says of germanic blood so any pole from eastern silesia if he can get enough false papers can get german citizenship based on the earlier extent of germany. So what you are saying is a narrow anglos saxon view indeed the portugese and french offerred citizenship to people from their Indian colony but accpeted in the case of the French only of catholic convers for the portos it did not matter as no Hindu applied. We have a right to define our citizenship norms.

As for religion I was born into it but detached now from all forms & manifestations of religion so it doesn't appeal to me tho I respect individual right to any kind of madness and stupidity subject to public order.

That is your choice but remember it the vastly religous Hindus who are giving you that choice vastly religous muslais would not. Indeed you would be wajib-ul-qatl for them.

I am aware that radical Islam is dangerous to any country incl to Pakistan but we're ourselves left with 16 crores of them. We cant kill them or treat them as II class citizens.

As to the first there is nothing called radical or moderate islam islam is just that islam and it is very very dangerous. Not that it is intrinsically so but the fact that the rest do not realise what kind of a danger it is. Our genius is we produced the Khalsa the only people anywhere who terrorised the muslai into submission to this day pakis teach zeem se zalim and in that is the photo of a Khalsa. As to the second if they are 16 crore we are 89 and yes if we follow the Bhagvad Gita and the Path shown by the khalsa we just have to kill .1 crore the rest will either convert or run away.

As for Pakistan they're on self destructive mode since 47 and we know where they stand (now) and where we are. Why we need to peg our national politics & minds to Pakistan and her Islam.

So where are we 20 years max 40 yrs into a second partition of the country before we lose WB and NE to Muslim influx.

We need some pegging as we have 16 crore 5th columnists in the country and the 17 crore there and the 14 crore in Bangladesh have made it worth their while to destroy our religion race and civilisation.

You need to go for political reeducation start with Bharatvani voice of India.

May Bhagwan Shri Ram show you the right path or else may Bhagwan Shri Krishan deal with you as adharmis need to be dealt with.

Sanatani

Sanatani,

Modern concept of citizenship is based on birth and nativity but not based on religion. As for religion I was born into it but detached now from all forms & manifestations of religion so it doesn't appeal to me tho I respect individual right to any kind of madness and stupidity subject to public order.

I am aware that radical Islam is dangerous to any country incl to Pakistan but we're ourselves left with 16 crores of them. We cant kill them or treat them as II class citizens.

We can be cautious but not offensive to Islam under the modern concept of freedom and free will.

As for Pakistan they're on self destructive mode since 47 and we know where they stand (now) and where we are. Why we need to peg our national politics & minds to Pakistan and her Islam.

sorry typos

Pls remember I have no hatred of muslai only of Islam

Vaise daniyal aka daniel,

do you not agree/agree with my statement that "Did I not say the gr8st victims of Islam are muslai".

Your thoughts please.

Pls remember Ihave not hatred of muslai only of Islam

Re: # 15

We blame Gandhi and Nehru for not accepting to J Man's demand for an exchange of population then we would have called Shri J 1009 i.e. 1 step ahead of Paramatma in reverence.

As I would always say on the slogan of mian ko bhejo pakistan ya kabristan do not send muslai to kabristan send him to his Islamic hell holes called pee stan and bee desh.

Imagine an India free of muslai and no we would still have got the Oscar instead of AR Rahman it would have gone to Suresh Mudaliyar

Sanatani

Sanatani,

BJ2 will try and blame Shri 1007 Jinnah. Laddu and Pinku something called TNT Islam and VRV and Harish_Hyd will attack Pak but never Islam and call for secularism in India.

And who or what does Majumdarda aka Dr Mukherjee blame?

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Qureshi sahib,

Do you have a death wish and a pro-zionist agenda? Why must Pakistan require a Masonic crypto J-man to lead us?

Study Father Turkey some more.....