If God is the Same then Why is God Different?

Re: # 57

I certainly misspelled Stephen Hawking.

Anil writes "Yes, it is quite clear that I do not understand the issues that are with the initial condition, then I am in a company that includes Stephen Hawikins and several others.."

Anil sahib learn to spell Hawking. You might be in his company only to the extent of being unscientific when he pontificates multiverses. I am in the company of bigger giants if we are counting names and those are listed on the site you mention.

You should be able to say what you have to say in a couple of posts rather than write a dozen pieces of nonsense. Get a hold of yourself man.

TNITC masadi

Re: # 55

what a disgusting video! made my stomach churn.

Folks! Prepare yourselves for something grossly disturbing. You do not have to watch it necessarily. A friend of mine forwarded this link to me. SERIOUS VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED!



http://islamabadobserver.com/2009/04/20/taliban-slaughtering-acc used-like-animals/

The idea of God arises from the question "Is there a God?" The question arises from our intelligence, and our intelligence in turn arises from God. The idea of a benevolent God may come from hope. Since we acknowledge that God exists and is all powerful, we'd much rather have a God who is benevolent than someone who is merciless.

Imagine we were garden plants. We would be living and have the ability to interact with our surroundings, but have no ability to comprehend the actions of man. We don't even know man exists, only that some mysterious power gives us sustenance in the soil, sometimes chops us down, makes us flower and bear fruit, and makes us wither away and die. The tree could never hope to comprehend man - the tree simply does not have the tools to see or feel us. We may be like garden plants and God may be like us, in so much as our dimensions don't interact except at the margin, and our intelligence and our senses don't allow us to comprehend and incredible truth.

Beyond all this, it is possible that all of the great prophets of the world actually communicated with God because they had an ability that many of us didn't have. And that their words are those of a God whose dimensions, nature and size we can scarcely comprehend.

masadi

stop monkeying around with God and tell me this: What has Islam and the Muslims have done in the last 500 years to the betterment of our planet? And no, don't give me an excuse of "Oh, we're the innocent victim of the white people aggression".

Philosopher:

You do present interesting point of view.

Re: # 45

Masadi sahib:

"...For further reading http://god.rationalreality.com ..."

I have read you wrote there on your web-site and a while ago on Chowk. All I can say is nothing can be more irrational and ignorant attempt to write in a few paragraphs what has taken humans thousands of years of probity, questioning, reasoning, and rationalizing.

You debunk entire Science or a simple science that I understand debunks you. Alhtough my belief system (God's creation, v Man's imagination) allows you to believe whichever way you want.

Re: # 47

Masadi sahib:

Yes, it is quite clear that I do not understand the issues that are with the initial condition, then I am in a company that includes Stephen Hawikins and several others. Limitation of quantum mechanics, among others may prevent from understanding these issues. That is why Greene's et al are talking of new mathematics is needed to even study this. I know that I had talked about Godel's theorem, it presents limits because the next cannot be studied without assumptions about beyond. Stephen Hawkins has proposed non-scaler dimension of time among others.

It all comes down to the belief system you believe in. In my life time and in yours too, we can live with our belief systems (God creation vs Man's imagination). No one can prove or disprove. Knowledge is limited, even if they find God's particle that gives mass is found at CERN. It will only raise more questions.

Scientific methods require the proposer of a hypothesis also present methods to disprove it. Right now there is no one who has come up with methods to disprove Big Bang among many other explanations of theoretical physics.

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Re: # 40

Masadi sahib:

Please do not take explanations and theorizing of initial condition as a case for initial condition. No case has been made to support these initial condition. Please do not confuse issues.

#43, there is proof, ample proof it is listed in my previous posts, evoking a multiverse to get around the paradox that necessitates God itself PROVES that nature as we know it (not as it might exist in other universes) necessitates God.

TNITC masadi

For further reading http://god.rationalreality.com

#41. Ours is just the universe we would expect. Time is relative so your 10 billion years means nothing, time itself came into existence at the point of the big bang, a timeless God is not restricted by time, and how can you say a better way existed when no alternatives have factually materialized, it is all speculation on your part. The fact that the odds of life existing or of a universe that evolved to make life possible as ours did tells us that there was intelligent setting of the parameters. This is not my discovery but ALL cosmologists are agreed on this with the ONLY alternative being a multiverse which renders the whole endeavor unscientific.

Read a book or two on the subject, I have read over a dozen

TNITC masadi

Re: # 40

"...Nature necessitates God, no questions about that. .."

There is neither any proof, nor evidence to support the above. However, a case can be made that "Man's imagination can result in God".