Abdul Arif April 29, 2009
#33 Posted by tahir on May 3, 2009 11:12:37 am
Re: # 31
Be our guest!
I've tried knocking sense into foolish heads.
Be our guest!
I've tried knocking sense into foolish heads.
#34 Posted by teshah on May 3, 2009 3:55:34 pm
A good topic indeed and a timely one at that. But why did the writer forgot to mention the saying of the Qurani Allah advising women not to be courteous to men as it may lead to arousal of the disease inherent in their hearts.
What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman? Castration, perhaps?
What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman? Castration, perhaps?
#35 Posted by tahir on May 3, 2009 8:52:56 pm
Re: # 34
"....Qurani Allah advising women not to be courteous to men as it may lead to arousal of the disease inherent in their hearts."
That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?
"What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?"
As a man you ought to know what DISEASE the Book's referring to.
"Castration, perhaps?"
No, not that! A thrashing from one's wife perhaps!
"....Qurani Allah advising women not to be courteous to men as it may lead to arousal of the disease inherent in their hearts."
That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?
"What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?"
As a man you ought to know what DISEASE the Book's referring to.
"Castration, perhaps?"
No, not that! A thrashing from one's wife perhaps!
#36 Posted by Regards on May 4, 2009 12:47:12 am
#Tahir,
You seem to have not seen the boowhoo's post no 30 but have seen hamidm2 in #29, tehshah's #34 and leenah's 31.
Are you a case of short sightedness as mentioned by leenah in #31.
Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?
You seem to have not seen the boowhoo's post no 30 but have seen hamidm2 in #29, tehshah's #34 and leenah's 31.
Are you a case of short sightedness as mentioned by leenah in #31.
Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?
#37 Posted by tahir on May 4, 2009 1:25:10 am
Re: # 36
Re-guards,
Miss Leenah didn't refer to ME in her post (right Leenah?).
Who misguided you about my seeing abilities?
"Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?"
I've expressed enough about the dubious Ahadith to make many retire prematurely at Chowq! Many narrations go against the spirit of the Quran (and of the Prophets) and don't really explain anything except burden us with chains of narrators! God's Book is self-explanatory and quite sufficient.
I don't know what you wish to hear now.
Re-guards,
Miss Leenah didn't refer to ME in her post (right Leenah?).
Who misguided you about my seeing abilities?
"Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?"
I've expressed enough about the dubious Ahadith to make many retire prematurely at Chowq! Many narrations go against the spirit of the Quran (and of the Prophets) and don't really explain anything except burden us with chains of narrators! God's Book is self-explanatory and quite sufficient.
I don't know what you wish to hear now.
#38 Posted by Regards on May 4, 2009 10:10:34 am
#37 Thanks. It is a plausible response as far as hadiths go.
How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned by boowhoo?
I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!
How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned by boowhoo?
I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!
#39 Posted by philosopher on May 4, 2009 1:04:30 pm
Re: # 38
((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))
Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.
((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))
Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.
#40 Posted by philosopher on May 4, 2009 1:04:44 pm
Re: # 38
((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))
Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.
((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))
Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.
#41 Posted by teshah on May 4, 2009 3:12:37 pm
Re: # 35
tahir
"That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?"
It was Qurani Iblees perhaps who did not want to insult Allah even at the risk of his condemnation by bowing before Adam, a 'gher-allah'(a No-God, made from earth), but was given a licence by Allah to lead people astray instead.
Mind, angels were made to bow only before Adam, a man, whereas the woman, Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary.
A correction to my post at #34:
The sentence 'What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?' may be corrected to read:
'What is rhe treatment of this disease...et seq'
tahir
"That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?"
It was Qurani Iblees perhaps who did not want to insult Allah even at the risk of his condemnation by bowing before Adam, a 'gher-allah'(a No-God, made from earth), but was given a licence by Allah to lead people astray instead.
Mind, angels were made to bow only before Adam, a man, whereas the woman, Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary.
A correction to my post at #34:
The sentence 'What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?' may be corrected to read:
'What is rhe treatment of this disease...et seq'
#42 Posted by Eklavya on May 4, 2009 4:47:07 pm
Regards,
I don't know whether you can stop your daugther, or whether you should.
Here is a discussion that may be of some help.
http://www.sukh-dukh.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21326&p=1
I don't know whether you can stop your daugther, or whether you should.
Here is a discussion that may be of some help.
http://www.sukh-dukh.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21326&p=1
#43 Posted by tahir on May 4, 2009 6:35:10 pm
Re: # 38
Re-guards,
"How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned....? I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!"
Chowq will soon start a religious Q/A column which I will handle.
:)
Ask these questions privately please.
Re-guards,
"How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned....? I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!"
Chowq will soon start a religious Q/A column which I will handle.
:)
Ask these questions privately please.
#44 Posted by Regards on May 4, 2009 10:58:48 pm
#40 Your women folk must be a mess for you. My three daughters hold engineers degree with two of them PhD's and one MBA. Two of them hold managerial positions in well know organisations.
They are very rational & professional people and certainly making a mess of philosophical text of bygone authors is not their speciality.
They are very rational & professional people and certainly making a mess of philosophical text of bygone authors is not their speciality.
#45 Posted by Taji on May 4, 2009 11:37:11 pm
Subconsciously men are afraid of the potential power that female sexuality can have over them. It is the fear of losing control that makes all patriarchal societies devise ways to curb manifestations of female sexuality. The society may use religion or cultural norms to ensure that women from very early on in their lives are put in their assigned places.
Since education is the first step of releasing this power, throughout the ages and in multiple civilizations the education of girls has been a highly debated topic. For example one of the concerns shown against teaching girls to write is that they may start writing to their lovers.
Since education is the first step of releasing this power, throughout the ages and in multiple civilizations the education of girls has been a highly debated topic. For example one of the concerns shown against teaching girls to write is that they may start writing to their lovers.
#46 Posted by tahir on May 5, 2009 12:00:16 am
Re: # 41
Shah sahib,
Please provide me with the reference for:
"Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary."
Shah sahib,
Please provide me with the reference for:
"Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary."
#47 Posted by Regards on May 5, 2009 12:36:01 am
#43 Tahir
I do not see anything private about discussion on Suras of Quran. I'm not asking you what to recommend to my daughter. That is my business. But your answer will guide me in deciding what to do.
Quran is recommended by yourself as God's book. Are these Suras authentic? Are they applicable and mandatory for all muslims? Do you consider women deciding their own lives/ careers as a prejudice to islam?
Do such Suras guide an ordinary muslim's life? Will you/ he consider women subordinate to you?
Thanks in advance for clear answers with no contorted verbiage;
I do not see anything private about discussion on Suras of Quran. I'm not asking you what to recommend to my daughter. That is my business. But your answer will guide me in deciding what to do.
Quran is recommended by yourself as God's book. Are these Suras authentic? Are they applicable and mandatory for all muslims? Do you consider women deciding their own lives/ careers as a prejudice to islam?
Do such Suras guide an ordinary muslim's life? Will you/ he consider women subordinate to you?
Thanks in advance for clear answers with no contorted verbiage;
#48 Posted by tahir on May 5, 2009 3:16:14 am
Re: # 47
Regards,
Find your answers here:
http://chowk.com/ilogs/71849/30139
Regards,
Find your answers here:
http://chowk.com/ilogs/71849/30139
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