Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan's Death

Re: # 501 freehussaini

Agree... but realistically speaking, breaking bondage is not an overnightly activity... it's medium-to-long term process, we should be looking at the incremental results...

On dalit issue - that's what I was pointing out - there is elaborate process that has been set in motion for this - right from the get go... millions have been lifted from penury and oppression, and former dalit persons are in every positions of power as possible... Obviously there is still large number to be affected, but life of a dalit today is vastly improved than his life 60 years ago... it's medium-to-long term process...

The whole "India shining" business was indeed part of that story as well - the idea is that india has broken bondage of low economic growth and is now generating wealth at a pace that's required to make dents on poverty... obviously - while wealth generation was impressive, the wealth distribution has not been so... but that does not take the credit away from the original idea of india shining...

Re: # 495

No. I am not happy now. I will be happy when we all will break the bondage our minds are in, now. When we are able to think as people beyond our personal belief, care for each other and work for it.

Re: # 497

Hold it. Stop. This happens in Pakistan, too.

Re: # 481 Tahmed

"the question we should ask is - why did it take so long for us to recognize the reality of the taliban?"

Allah hu Akbar, brother. Have you read the book by Ahmed Rashid, "Descent into Chaos: The US and the Failure of Nation Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia"? They say that you'll find a lot of heretical 'truth' in it. Or, you can read the book by that apostate Hussein Haqqani - the Pak Ambassador to the US, "Pakistan: Between Mosque And Military". They say that you find a lot of 'answers' in there as well.

It seems to me that every nation, as every forum, needs a few Cassandras to force people to see and acknowledge their problems and bad news. Unfortunately, however, Chowk seems to be populated almost entirely of Cassandras...maybe it's part of the editorial policy here.

As great philosopher throughout history have said, there needs to be balance between excessive honesty and self-deception for a healthy society. The cup is almost never completely empty, nor is it ever full. We, as those who care for our country of origin, need to find a way to see the glass half full, then strive to fill the rest of it as best as we can.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 491
The inhuman practice of manual removal of human excrements from dry toilets---with base hands, brooms, and metal scrapes---taken to the dump site on their heads---this act alone, qualifies India as the most shameless, heartless, cruel, barbaric and uncivilized society on earth---bar none. ]

Yep - you are right, this practice is even worse than beheading people on a public square in Swat. Damn - I am moving to Pakistan today.

Major writes "people dance in the streets when they take over"

Like the Iraqis were dancing in the streets when the U.S. took over? What a fantastic "moronic" sample you have generalized from. Compare this dancing to the number the vote for popular politicians in elections and you will note how idiotic your observation is. The cycle of contempt by the Pakistani people for the military whenever it takes over is not a new occurrence and has been happening ever since the Ayub regime. You suggest in your amnesia that Musharraf was the only one who was disliked by the people. BS

TNITC masadi

Re: # 491 freehussain

take it easy dude... India is not shining, Hindooos are bad people, they are poor and wretched and live on railroad tracks, you happy now?... :)

Re: # 481

That is really a very good question, Mr. Ahmed. Off the cuff, may be, because the middle class just noticed them now and started reacting to the situation. I am not sure. There might be many more answers to your question.

Major (thug)claims that the Pakistan Army has been pursuing public opinion in its shenanigans throughout the history of Pakistan. Zia ul Fcuq claimed the same after his referendum, which merely proves that these majors and generals are from an inherently undemocratic institution where they are trained/resocialized to look at civilians with contempt, and except for military men every person with an intelligence above the damn fool scale can recognize that standing armies are a threat to democracy, especially when they translate their outside contempt into active interference in the state. Every standing army of any country in the world is a potential military coup waiting to happen, sometimes it happens explicitly as in Pakistan or implicitly like the U.S. where the military elite are part and parcel of a permanent war economy.

TNITC masadi

#491

very nice, this kind of message gives us insight into the mental makeup of riaz haq, the foundations of the mental disorder that has now fully overwhelmed him.

Two parts were specially revealing -
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Poor Hindus--they won't get 72 virgins!
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and the final sign-off

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Lots to learn from output like this...

Honestly speaking, the movie Slumdog Millionaire is a truly revealing portrait of this so-called Mahabharat called--India. The movie shows the devastating poverty, the slums, the shanty towns, the backwardness, the harsh and atrocious living conditions of India today. Here is the biggest shame of the bloody Indians---The inhuman practice of manual removal of human excrements from dry toilets---with base hands, brooms, and metal scrapes---taken to the dump site on their heads---this act alone, qualifies India as the most shameless, heartless, cruel, barbaric and uncivilized society on earth---bar none. Around 200 Million Dalits or Untouchables are employed in this profession! Progress Indian Style! According to Indian Express, average Indian makes 100/ Rupees per day. Now you know why the Haves push Opium of the masses---Religion and Hindi Cinema. Just chant Hare Krishna Hare Raam and that's all. Poor Hindus--they won't get 72 virgins!

It’s no secret that the vast Majority of Indians still live a wretched existence with unclean drinking water---Not enough food to eat---No health care---Most people in India are still Homeless---Most people in India still are Jobless---Most Indians still do not get three Meals a day---Most of the India is still undeveloped, 70% of Indians are still illiterate, and Most of the Indian children are still badly malnourished or undernourished- --Child Labor is Widespread-- -Most Girls are still Married Off before they attain the Age of Puberty and surprisingly, these Indians are singing—‘Saaray Jahaan Say Achhaa Hindustan Hamaaraa’---incredible! According to a recent survey conducted by the Indian Health Ministry, and backed by UNICEF, almost 46 per cent of the children in India, under the age of three, are undernourished. This is more than the Sub-Saharan Africa region where only 35 per cent of children are malnourished- --And last but not the least, if this Indian Success story is true--Then Why in the State Legislatures across India, the so called Globalization Forces are taking ‘Mother of all electoral Beatings’ at the hands of The Communists? The humiliation, which persons belonging to the lower Castes in general, the Dalits, and the Muslims in particular suffer even today, more than half a century after India proclaimed itself to be a Republic is a matter of bloody crying shame indeed!


SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com

Re: # 489 masadi

oh, come on - paki army may be a criminal enterprise, but it is NOT a stalin-ist outfit that can steam-roll over the base public opinion... For large part, paki army has been in sync with paki people (until now) - which is why they have ruled pakiland de-facto/de-jure for last 60 years and people dance in the streets when they take over...

major (moron), Pakistanis have never signed up U.S. wars. Pakistan is not a democracy neither is its military one, nor does everyone have equal access to power for you to blame the people in this dumb a$$ manner.

TNITC masadi

Re: # 485
[...Pakistan has been fighting U.S. wars......The fact is your class has been in bed with the military... ]

Pakistan ka matlab kya - Allah, Army and America... So of course pakiland is fighting america's wars - how else is it going to survive?...

But, it's just not :Hamidm's class" that's the culprit, it's most of the paki nation that has signed on to this "rentier" mentality... even jinnah himself has approved it from the beginning...

Tahmed writes to free-moroni "#480 the question we should ask is - why did it take so long for us to recognize the reality of the taliban? these are a bunch of throat-slitting bandits with overinflated ambitions of not just preying upon the odd victim here or there, but upon an entire nation!!

Ahmad sahib the question we should ask is - why did it take so long for us to recognize the reality of our relationship with the U.S. These U.S. elite are a bunch of genocidal maniacs with overinflated claims to moral superiority, and they do not only prey on the odd victims here and there but destroy whole nations based on lies with impunity. After having destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan recently, they are now after Pakistan and care not about the consequences of their BS on the lives of the 170 million plus in Pakistan.

TNITC masadi