Rashid Malik April 30, 2009
#614 Posted by krishna_abcd on May 5, 2009 7:03:03 pm
madrassaAlumnus
FYI
The Gas Turbine Research Establishment, Bangalore of Defence Research and Development Organisation which has been indigenously developing Kaveri engine for propelling the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), has now come up with a modified marine version, as a spin off during research, to develop shaft power for propelling Indian Naval ship.
Using the core of the Kaveri engine, the scientists of GTRE have added Low Pressure Compressor & Turbine as a gas generator and designed a Free Power Turbine to generate shaft Power for the maritime application. The Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine (KMGT) as it has been named has been transported to Naval Dock Yard, Vishakapatnam and installed on to the Marine Gas Turbine test bed which is an Indian Navy Facility capable of testing the Gas Turbines upto 25 MW of shaft power through a reduction gearbox and a water brake dynamometer.
The Indian Navy has been involved in the development of the engine and participated and supporting the testing phase.
The engine has been tested to its potential of 12 MW at ISA SL 35°C condition which is the requirement of Indian Navy for propelling the SNF (Rajput) class of ships. This engine has been demonstrated to the Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and others including the Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri Shri M. Natarajan, Vice Admiral B.S.Randhawa, Dr. D.Banerjee, CC (R&D).
With this development, India will become self-reliant in the technology of gas turbines for ship propulsion. This will put India in the elite club of Marine Gas Turbine designers e.g., USA, Russia, UK and Ukraine.
FYI
The Gas Turbine Research Establishment, Bangalore of Defence Research and Development Organisation which has been indigenously developing Kaveri engine for propelling the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), has now come up with a modified marine version, as a spin off during research, to develop shaft power for propelling Indian Naval ship.
Using the core of the Kaveri engine, the scientists of GTRE have added Low Pressure Compressor & Turbine as a gas generator and designed a Free Power Turbine to generate shaft Power for the maritime application. The Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine (KMGT) as it has been named has been transported to Naval Dock Yard, Vishakapatnam and installed on to the Marine Gas Turbine test bed which is an Indian Navy Facility capable of testing the Gas Turbines upto 25 MW of shaft power through a reduction gearbox and a water brake dynamometer.
The Indian Navy has been involved in the development of the engine and participated and supporting the testing phase.
The engine has been tested to its potential of 12 MW at ISA SL 35°C condition which is the requirement of Indian Navy for propelling the SNF (Rajput) class of ships. This engine has been demonstrated to the Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and others including the Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri Shri M. Natarajan, Vice Admiral B.S.Randhawa, Dr. D.Banerjee, CC (R&D).
With this development, India will become self-reliant in the technology of gas turbines for ship propulsion. This will put India in the elite club of Marine Gas Turbine designers e.g., USA, Russia, UK and Ukraine.
#613 Posted by krishna_abcd on May 5, 2009 7:01:48 pm
madrassaAlumnus
FYI
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri_Engine
The GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri is a low-bypass-ratio afterburning turbofan being developed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the DRDO in Bangalore, India. An indigenous Indian design, the Kaveri was intended to power production models of the HAL Tejas fighter, originally called the "Light Combat Aircraft" (LCA), but it was officially de-linked from HAL Tejas program in September, 2008. It was announced in November 2008 that the Kaveri engine will be installed on HAL Tejas by December 2009.
The Kaveri engine has been specifically designed for the demanding Indian operating environment, which ranges from hot desert to the highest mountain range in the world. The GTRE's design envisions achieving a fan pressure ratio of 4:1 and an overall pressure ratio of 27:1, which it believes will permit the Tejas to "supercruise" (cruise supersonically without the use of the afterburner). The Kaveri is a variable-cycle, flat-rated engine and has 13% higher thrust than the General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 engines equipping the LCA prototypes.
Plans also already exist for derivatives of the Kaveri, including a non-afterburning version for an advanced jet trainer, and a high-bypass-ratio turbofan based on the Kabini core.[3] Another concept being considered is an enlarged version of the Tejas with two engines fitted with fully vectoring nozzles, which might make the vertical tail redundant (the Tejas has no horizontal tail).[1]
An indigenous Full-Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) unit, called Kaveri Digital Engine Control Unit (KADECU) has been developed by the Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), Bangalore. The Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) of Avadi was responsible for the design and development of the Tejas aircraft-mounted accessory gear box (AMAGB) and the power take-off (PTO) shaft.
The Kaveri is still in development, and reports indicate that it will be ready to fly by 2009. Testing and certification for use on the Tejas is expected to take some more time after that. Till then, the first two squadrons of Tejas will be powered by the GE404 engine.
Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister M Natarajan said nearly 90 to 93 per cent of the expected performance had been realised and the government had recently floated an expression of interest to seek partners to move the programme further[7]
DRDO has reportedly been able to develop single crystal blades, which represent a major technological achievement for engine development. Production and integrating this technology into the engine is expected to take some more time.
Kaveri has already undergone 1,700 hours of tests and has been sent twice to Russia to undergo high-altitude tests for which India has no facility. The engine is also being tested to power the next generation of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.[8]
In September 2008, it was announced that the Kaveri would not be ready in time for the Tejas, and that an in-production powerplant would have to selected.[9] Development of the Kaveri by the GRTE would continue for other future applications.
It was announced in November 2008 that the Kaveri engine will be installed on LCA by December 2009,[10] apparently for tests only.[citation needed]
FYI
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri_Engine
The GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri is a low-bypass-ratio afterburning turbofan being developed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the DRDO in Bangalore, India. An indigenous Indian design, the Kaveri was intended to power production models of the HAL Tejas fighter, originally called the "Light Combat Aircraft" (LCA), but it was officially de-linked from HAL Tejas program in September, 2008. It was announced in November 2008 that the Kaveri engine will be installed on HAL Tejas by December 2009.
The Kaveri engine has been specifically designed for the demanding Indian operating environment, which ranges from hot desert to the highest mountain range in the world. The GTRE's design envisions achieving a fan pressure ratio of 4:1 and an overall pressure ratio of 27:1, which it believes will permit the Tejas to "supercruise" (cruise supersonically without the use of the afterburner). The Kaveri is a variable-cycle, flat-rated engine and has 13% higher thrust than the General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 engines equipping the LCA prototypes.
Plans also already exist for derivatives of the Kaveri, including a non-afterburning version for an advanced jet trainer, and a high-bypass-ratio turbofan based on the Kabini core.[3] Another concept being considered is an enlarged version of the Tejas with two engines fitted with fully vectoring nozzles, which might make the vertical tail redundant (the Tejas has no horizontal tail).[1]
An indigenous Full-Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) unit, called Kaveri Digital Engine Control Unit (KADECU) has been developed by the Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), Bangalore. The Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) of Avadi was responsible for the design and development of the Tejas aircraft-mounted accessory gear box (AMAGB) and the power take-off (PTO) shaft.
The Kaveri is still in development, and reports indicate that it will be ready to fly by 2009. Testing and certification for use on the Tejas is expected to take some more time after that. Till then, the first two squadrons of Tejas will be powered by the GE404 engine.
Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister M Natarajan said nearly 90 to 93 per cent of the expected performance had been realised and the government had recently floated an expression of interest to seek partners to move the programme further[7]
DRDO has reportedly been able to develop single crystal blades, which represent a major technological achievement for engine development. Production and integrating this technology into the engine is expected to take some more time.
Kaveri has already undergone 1,700 hours of tests and has been sent twice to Russia to undergo high-altitude tests for which India has no facility. The engine is also being tested to power the next generation of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.[8]
In September 2008, it was announced that the Kaveri would not be ready in time for the Tejas, and that an in-production powerplant would have to selected.[9] Development of the Kaveri by the GRTE would continue for other future applications.
It was announced in November 2008 that the Kaveri engine will be installed on LCA by December 2009,[10] apparently for tests only.[citation needed]
#612 Posted by nkg on May 5, 2009 7:01:21 pm
sanatani...
can you catch the ear of this Riaz katua and force him to confess that with all the progressiveness in musla societies and muslaism/islam and backwardness of Indian culture, muslas has failed to produce a single Indra Nooyi, Padmashree Warrior, Kalpana Chawla... and why the stats in US says this?
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/743/united-states-religion
Why the non-tribal female literacy rate of India is much higher than that of beakon of Islam, Pakistan?
that swine will not answer...will merely red flag the post...
can you catch the ear of this Riaz katua and force him to confess that with all the progressiveness in musla societies and muslaism/islam and backwardness of Indian culture, muslas has failed to produce a single Indra Nooyi, Padmashree Warrior, Kalpana Chawla... and why the stats in US says this?
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/743/united-states-religion
Why the non-tribal female literacy rate of India is much higher than that of beakon of Islam, Pakistan?
that swine will not answer...will merely red flag the post...
#611 Posted by krishna_abcd on May 5, 2009 6:55:36 pm
misc. by madrassaAlumnus
I think your plan of fixing your country should begin with making it's constitution non-communal - which will be a starting point to progressing towards democracy. Which, in turn, will be a starting point towards genuine progress - in education, science and technology, research and development. Of course, this kind of thinking is haram for Pakis, having contracted the camel flu congenitally.
But I just thought I'd mention it anyway.
I think your plan of fixing your country should begin with making it's constitution non-communal - which will be a starting point to progressing towards democracy. Which, in turn, will be a starting point towards genuine progress - in education, science and technology, research and development. Of course, this kind of thinking is haram for Pakis, having contracted the camel flu congenitally.
But I just thought I'd mention it anyway.
#610 Posted by nkg on May 5, 2009 6:50:16 pm
Re: # 607
hamidm2...
as per my knowledge, any US company invested in USA in major way, had to file for bankruptcy....
hamidm2...
as per my knowledge, any US company invested in USA in major way, had to file for bankruptcy....
#609 Posted by nkg on May 5, 2009 6:24:16 pm
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#608 Posted by tahmed32 on May 5, 2009 6:12:29 pm
Riaz Haq #602: I dont have any problem with what you are saying. Nor obviously am I implying that everything is hunky-dory in the US. Of course there are problems that the US needs to address - that is why Obama ran and won on the "Change" platform.
The issue is not whether the US is a satan or a saint. It is - is there something Pakistan and Pakistanis can learn from the US? Too many Pakistanis are so busy finding fault in the US that they never have time to actively try to benefit from the US experience. And so they remain clueless on how the US is the leading nation in the world - not just militarily but in virtually every dimension of human endeavor.
The prophet said go even as far as China to seek learning. And guess what...the Chinese fall over one another to get admission in a US university. The best seller book in China a couple of years ago was on how to get your child into Harvard! So maybe the Chinese and the Holy Prophet knew something that Dr. Masadi does not.
The issue is not whether the US is a satan or a saint. It is - is there something Pakistan and Pakistanis can learn from the US? Too many Pakistanis are so busy finding fault in the US that they never have time to actively try to benefit from the US experience. And so they remain clueless on how the US is the leading nation in the world - not just militarily but in virtually every dimension of human endeavor.
The prophet said go even as far as China to seek learning. And guess what...the Chinese fall over one another to get admission in a US university. The best seller book in China a couple of years ago was on how to get your child into Harvard! So maybe the Chinese and the Holy Prophet knew something that Dr. Masadi does not.
#607 Posted by hamidm2 on May 5, 2009 5:30:42 pm
Re: # 605
bubba mian,
...... the 300% return in 10 years was in us dollars adjusted for currency fluctuations ......
.... i am still bullish on china .... just today i invested a substantial amount in fxi ......based on first hand experience i am convinced that many chinese companies will dominate their sectors in the coming decade - the auto industry is one example (check out the warren buffet and BYD story) ........ xlk is another good buy even though it does not include huawei which is going to leave cisco eating dust in a few years ......you are welcome
bubba mian,
...... the 300% return in 10 years was in us dollars adjusted for currency fluctuations ......
.... i am still bullish on china .... just today i invested a substantial amount in fxi ......based on first hand experience i am convinced that many chinese companies will dominate their sectors in the coming decade - the auto industry is one example (check out the warren buffet and BYD story) ........ xlk is another good buy even though it does not include huawei which is going to leave cisco eating dust in a few years ......you are welcome
#606 Posted by hamidm2 on May 5, 2009 5:13:10 pm
Re: # 600
pepe l'pew,
.... zakat and islam are a joke in pakistan (as they should be) ...... all you have to do is submit an affidavit on a 50 rupee stamp paper that you want to be exempted from zakat and you are all set ! ...... previously, you had to declare yourself a non-muslim or a shia to get this exemption - now it is open to everyone ....... allah is merciful and very very understanding !
.... everything, including your faith, is up for sale in the islamic republic of pakistan ......
.......you don't even have to go down to the kutchery to fill out the form .... the bank manager will send someone down there to do it for you while you finish off your chai and biscuits ..........
.... i hope this will convince you to invest your money for a good cause - the liberation of kashmir ....... being a bania, it should be an easy decision .......
pepe l'pew,
.... zakat and islam are a joke in pakistan (as they should be) ...... all you have to do is submit an affidavit on a 50 rupee stamp paper that you want to be exempted from zakat and you are all set ! ...... previously, you had to declare yourself a non-muslim or a shia to get this exemption - now it is open to everyone ....... allah is merciful and very very understanding !
.... everything, including your faith, is up for sale in the islamic republic of pakistan ......
.......you don't even have to go down to the kutchery to fill out the form .... the bank manager will send someone down there to do it for you while you finish off your chai and biscuits ..........
.... i hope this will convince you to invest your money for a good cause - the liberation of kashmir ....... being a bania, it should be an easy decision .......
#605 Posted by bubba on May 5, 2009 5:12:57 pm
Hamid mian,
paki rupees is very much controlled and pegged with USD. There should be some country currency fluctuation risk included in that 15% return that you got. Also, what risk would you include in that 15% number for inflation of paki economy? Do you consider investing in real properties and then flipping it rather quickly?
BTW, you still remember our discussion on US financial war with China? And now the US coming out, once again, smelling like a rose. Or is it too soon to claim "mission accomplished?"
paki rupees is very much controlled and pegged with USD. There should be some country currency fluctuation risk included in that 15% return that you got. Also, what risk would you include in that 15% number for inflation of paki economy? Do you consider investing in real properties and then flipping it rather quickly?
BTW, you still remember our discussion on US financial war with China? And now the US coming out, once again, smelling like a rose. Or is it too soon to claim "mission accomplished?"
#604 Posted by guru on May 5, 2009 4:27:42 pm
How are our Affucked Baki Ga.dus doing?
Dimwit G,
Bakis are good looking chiknas. That is why all kinds of erect dostums
are exploring strategic depth in Baki rectum,
starting with Arabi totalitarian exclusivist materialistic Abrahamic gandugiri ideology, Amriki and lately even Chini.
Dimwit G,
Bakis are good looking chiknas. That is why all kinds of erect dostums
are exploring strategic depth in Baki rectum,
starting with Arabi totalitarian exclusivist materialistic Abrahamic gandugiri ideology, Amriki and lately even Chini.
#603 Posted by CreateAlpha on May 5, 2009 4:21:19 pm
Ok can some paki calm this pappu Riaz down...
Re: KSE- it is not a market. It is a local casino...check FII flows into and out of pakistan. To compare it to Indian and chinese capital markets is stupid.
Just as stupid when this kid tries to compare debt servicing and issuing capacity of a US- the most stable government with the currency of choice as the reserves for most nations to pakistan...
Are all you Pakis this delusional or is this guy like wanting to clear an entire berth on the stupid train for himself?
Re: KSE- it is not a market. It is a local casino...check FII flows into and out of pakistan. To compare it to Indian and chinese capital markets is stupid.
Just as stupid when this kid tries to compare debt servicing and issuing capacity of a US- the most stable government with the currency of choice as the reserves for most nations to pakistan...
Are all you Pakis this delusional or is this guy like wanting to clear an entire berth on the stupid train for himself?
#602 Posted by RiazHaq on May 5, 2009 2:59:48 pm
Re: # 582
tahmed: I have been here longer than you have. And I am thankful for a US education and training that has made me a discerning consumer of media/news and a more critical thinker, something I couldn't have learned in South Asia. So, I do not buy into all of the daily propaganda that highlights only the virtues of US democracy. I try and look at the whole picture, which is not entirely pretty now.
You know how I admire people like FDR, a Democrat, produced by the US democracy. And then LBJ, another Dem who pushed Civil rights and Great Society legislation and voting rights act that eventually made it possible for Obama to get elected. But the US national politics and the corrosive power of corporate money has eroded a lot of what was achieved until the 1960s....when the power of the political-military-industrial complex was still in check.
I also like local, grassroots democracy in communities, cities and counties that has serious people participation in running schools, cities, libraries, various commissions etc etc.
So the bottom line is that it's not all roses in America...especially these days with rising unemployment, home foreclosures, tent cities and crowded soup kitchens. A lot of the blame for it lies in Washington and on Wall Street who have colluded to enrich themselves at the expense of a lot of average American taxpayers. The jury is still out on whether Obama can change that with the same crooks still in charge on Capitol Hill.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
tahmed: I have been here longer than you have. And I am thankful for a US education and training that has made me a discerning consumer of media/news and a more critical thinker, something I couldn't have learned in South Asia. So, I do not buy into all of the daily propaganda that highlights only the virtues of US democracy. I try and look at the whole picture, which is not entirely pretty now.
You know how I admire people like FDR, a Democrat, produced by the US democracy. And then LBJ, another Dem who pushed Civil rights and Great Society legislation and voting rights act that eventually made it possible for Obama to get elected. But the US national politics and the corrosive power of corporate money has eroded a lot of what was achieved until the 1960s....when the power of the political-military-industrial complex was still in check.
I also like local, grassroots democracy in communities, cities and counties that has serious people participation in running schools, cities, libraries, various commissions etc etc.
So the bottom line is that it's not all roses in America...especially these days with rising unemployment, home foreclosures, tent cities and crowded soup kitchens. A lot of the blame for it lies in Washington and on Wall Street who have colluded to enrich themselves at the expense of a lot of average American taxpayers. The jury is still out on whether Obama can change that with the same crooks still in charge on Capitol Hill.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#601 Posted by RiazHaq on May 5, 2009 2:41:10 pm
Re: # 595
masadi, Here's what Princeton bioethics professor Peter Singer said last year: "This consistent pattern of readiness to inflict civilian casualties - often when striking targets that are not of vital military significance - suggests that Bush and other pro-life American leaders have less concern for the lives of innocent human beings in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, than they have for human embryos."
Bush is gone. Obama is here. But nothing has changed in US posture or actions when it comes to respect for civilian life in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This belies all of America's talk of moral high ground against the Talibs. This is what Pervez Hoodbhoy calls "war of the drones"...predators versus human bombs that is causing heavy "collateral damage" in US jargon. This is the kind of hypocrisy that fuels anger and resentment and it will potentially doom America's (and Pakistan's) effort against the Talibs. This is really sad.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
masadi, Here's what Princeton bioethics professor Peter Singer said last year: "This consistent pattern of readiness to inflict civilian casualties - often when striking targets that are not of vital military significance - suggests that Bush and other pro-life American leaders have less concern for the lives of innocent human beings in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, than they have for human embryos."
Bush is gone. Obama is here. But nothing has changed in US posture or actions when it comes to respect for civilian life in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This belies all of America's talk of moral high ground against the Talibs. This is what Pervez Hoodbhoy calls "war of the drones"...predators versus human bombs that is causing heavy "collateral damage" in US jargon. This is the kind of hypocrisy that fuels anger and resentment and it will potentially doom America's (and Pakistan's) effort against the Talibs. This is really sad.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#600 Posted by Pew_Research on May 5, 2009 2:25:34 pm
Re: # 598 Riaz
So 50-50 between the KSE Index and the Defence Savings Certificates then? Would that be optimal? I still need to address the zakat issue though. Can someone help on that one?
So 50-50 between the KSE Index and the Defence Savings Certificates then? Would that be optimal? I still need to address the zakat issue though. Can someone help on that one?
#599 Posted by RiazHaq on May 5, 2009 2:21:55 pm
Re: # 583 hamidm: "i am a simple man and not very good with numbers and facts .."
And it shows. But you are a likable guy. I do enjoy your unique sense of humor.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
And it shows. But you are a likable guy. I do enjoy your unique sense of humor.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
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