Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan's Death

majumdar writes "I am glad you do admit that Korea, Taiwan and Malaysia are much ahead of Pakistan and India even though these countries were as much US satellites as Pakistan was and far more aligned to USA than India was to US in 1947-91. Would it fair then to comment that it is the stupditiy of the local people/leaders which is responsible for South Asia's backwardness and not the US elite."

Here is where you are intellectually challenged Majumdar sahib as most right wingers like you are: Korea is U.S. occupied and the cost of its 'development' is being a bullwark against one half of the Korean nation for the sake of USA. Taiwan the tiny fart 'country' provides leverage to the US against China and Malaysia is not much of anything. These three are the exceptions that are presented by right wingers like you in order to justify a tyrannous world system in which the many suffer (just like I recently busted the India/China bs). The reason when all suffer except for a few means that they tyrannous system they operate in is to blame not the stupidity of the leaders- what is ensuring predatory relationships and throwing such leaders to the fore is a world system that feeds off the poor to enrich the few.

TNITC masadi

"The real question is whether you understand that difference? In your skewed vocabulary and misguided definitions, anything Pakistan receives is AID, while anything India receives is LOAN.

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Riaz, does India have to repay the funds it has received? What are the terms of the aid? Does Pakistan have to repay the money it receives? Simple question. Elucidation would be nice. It wazs a question. Do you understand the difference between the two.

Also, do I need to be shot or blown up for asking this question?

Re: # 544 Riaz

Takbir!

The chart on the link showed that Mauritius was ranked #1 in the 'world hunger index'. That is why these sources are so useful - they fully normalized the data for the 'size' of the population pool! Allah hu Akbar!

Re: # 537: "Do you think Riaz understand the difference between loans and aid?"

The real question is whether you understand that difference? In your skewed vocabulary and misguided definitions, anything Pakistan receives is AID, while anything India receives is LOAN. It couldn't be any more ridiculous. As Masadi often says, "You need a goddamn education".

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 543

I agree with most of what you say...except the data on FDI under Mush shows that Pakistan did much better than India looking at FDI as percent of GDP. India’s cumulative stock of FDI at 6 per cent of GDP at the end of 2005 compares with 9 per cent for Pakistan, 14 per cent for China, and 61 per cent for Vietnam. The reason FDI has lagged badly in India is perhaps no better illustrated than by India’s unwillingness to fully embrace market forces.

I know you don't look Mush, and for good reasons. But let's not discount the real progress that dd happen earlier this decade.

The Economist magazine in its June 12, 2008 issue summed up Pakistan's current and past Economic Performance as follows:" (The current) macroeconomic disarray will be familiar to the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party of Asif Zardari, and to Nawaz Sharif, whose party provides it “outside support�. Before Mr Sharif was ousted in 1999, the two parties had presided over a decade of corruption and mismanagement. But since then, as the IMF remarked in a report in January, there has been a transformation. Pakistan attracted over $5 billion in foreign direct investment in the 2006-07 fiscal year, ten times the figure of 2000-01. The government's debt fell from 68% of GDP in 2003-04 to less than 55% in 2006-07, and its foreign-exchange reserves reached $16.4 billion as recently as in October."

The turn-around engineered by Shaukat Aziz under Mush was applauded around the world. A 2005 Bloomberg headline, as reported by China's Peoples Daily, proclaimed as follows: "The world's second-fastest growing economy after China is no longer India. It's Pakistan."
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#543,

This has happened before, around 1000AD and has happened
since then. The then denizens of this area suffered through the same atrocities but their progeny is proud and
glad of that happened, may be same thing will happen after
Talibans run over, 50/100 years from now on, they will be
proud that Taliban happened, that grandpa abdul opted to
follow the true path.

Re: # 538

Observed reality? Here is observed reality:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7669152.stm

Don't forget to see the pictures an graphics.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

RiazHaq #528 direct bilateral/multilateral aid has been significant for both india and pakistan, but it pales in comparison to the other forms of aid:

1. expatriate remittances: $4-5 billion per year for pakistan as i recall (alephnull to please double check with wikipedia and tell me i dont know what i am talking about because the correct figure is $3.98756 billion and 35 cents).

2. private investments: much more in india by top notch companies than in pakistan (thanks general musharraf, for raising these attack dogs, the islamists, who chop off heads of foreign investors).

3. foreign technology: suddenly even our maali in pakistan has a cell phone that he routinely uses to chat with relations in saudi arabia.

4. foreign ideas: pakistan seems now to be coming around to where india has been for 60 years. namely recognizing the merits of what were derieded as "western ideas" like democracy. only pockets of resistance (taliban, masadi, urstruly) remain.

So - all in all - both india and pakistan are very significant beneficiaries from foreign imports of various kinds. Because their traditional cultures are dead-end cultures. totally incapable of surviving in today's environment around the world.

shankar #534 Never heard of "nuisance value". you make your country a big enough a nuisance, and you collect gold. there is gold in them thar hills of swat, doctor sahib.

but more seriously - what else do you expect the world to do? watch a nation of 170 million with nuclear weapons, nuclear scientists, and a vast military fall into the hands of bandits for whom the only thing sacred is the power to oppress, the power to kill, the power to ruin lives by burning schools?

thank God for nuclear weapons - not only have they protected pakistan from india, they are also forcing the world to take notice even though pakistanis have been totally fooled by the mask of islam that these invaders wear, thus protecting pakistanis from themselves.

shankar:

"So, by that logic, we should get 7 times PER CAPITA aid, to be commisurate to the aid package Pakistan gets."

For a bania, your maths is not that strong. I think that you meant 7 times, not per capita.

"more importantly, we are better looking than the horrible hindoos who live on the wrong side of the border"

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If you don't get your dicks out of your hands hamidm you'll all be walking around in burkhas and your men will look like werewolves and your beauty won't mean a thing without a razor blade and black sun-vitamin shields across the face of every woman. And as everyone knows, from Eskimos in the north pole to peasents in Guinea Bissau, who often lament that no community on earth compares with the good lokking-ness of Pakistanis, that will be a loss for humanity. As we know humanity is defined as those who strive to be as good lokking as Pakistanis.

Werewolves and black-ghosts. Save your beauty for the world to gaze upon. I can vouch for this because I have seen the photograph of Riaz on his blog, and it's incredible.

Re: # 536 hamidm2, haven't you read in the news. The brahmans drove their trains over a few low-caste bhindoos and dalits on the tracks the other day.

Re: # 530 Riaz

Allah hu Akbar, brother
Then there must be something wrong either with these statistics or the sources! Have you traveled yourself through India and sub-Saharan Africa to tell the difference? There is no mass famines in India of the scale of the starvation in Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad. The last such famine was in the Bengal in the 1940s.
Somehow the numbers do not square with observed reality.
Allah hafiz

"$100 billions were/are loans. they are being paid back."

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Do you think Riaz understand the difference between loans and aid?

Maybe we deserve to be shot for asking that question.

Re: # 530

riaz mian,

.... more importantly, we are better looking than the horrible hindoos who live on the wrong side of the border .....

..... having said that, it really won't help us when the taliban fan out from lal masjid and burn down beacon house school and the women's college in islamabad ...... i think our problems are much bigger than those faced by starving indians squatting on railroad tracks ...... let's stop consoling ourselves by pointing out the misery next door .... it is like pissing in your pants - it might give you a nice warm feeling, but after a while you begin to stink .....

"If you don't mend your ways and soon, the Maoists and other insurgents will destroy the smug little middle class Indians boasting about Shining India."

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How would they do that Riaz? Let us know. By shooting and bombing people? That's your favourite methodology, isn't it? Whether it's 'islamophobic' children, teenagers and women and men in London tube trains, or middle class Indians in India, a little bit of invocation of dynamite and bullets in the head, and the ensuing imagery of the dead bodies of innocent people always gives a nice, sinister coda to your posts.