Arundhati ‘Pakistani’ and ‘Patriotic’ Right-wingers
Beena Sarwar May 4, 2009
#124 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 10:53:55 am
Re: # 122 Riaz-ul-Haq
"..But they are a small minority..."
So, minorities don't count? Isn't that the OPPOSITE of what you were preaching earlier that India ignores its Muslim minority? AND it is not just a BJP issue, right?
Why don't you make up your mind?
BTW, the 'minorities' in J&K number over 30% or 40%. Of the Muslim 'majority', the Shia don't want anything to do with Pakistan.
Allah Hafiz
"..But they are a small minority..."
So, minorities don't count? Isn't that the OPPOSITE of what you were preaching earlier that India ignores its Muslim minority? AND it is not just a BJP issue, right?
Why don't you make up your mind?
BTW, the 'minorities' in J&K number over 30% or 40%. Of the Muslim 'majority', the Shia don't want anything to do with Pakistan.
Allah Hafiz
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#123 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 10:50:26 am
Re: # 120 Riaz
".... Pakistanis have been far more restrained and slow to respond against much more violent and very well-armed insurgents..."
Allah hu Akbar - tauba! tauba!
Oh my gosh! Wonder what the Bangladeshis (millions dead) have to say about this? Or the Baluchis! or the Taliban now!
I think that the use of helicopter gunships, artillery, jets pounding villages, is unique to Pakistan (compared to India)! That honor is yours alone!
Allah hafiz
".... Pakistanis have been far more restrained and slow to respond against much more violent and very well-armed insurgents..."
Allah hu Akbar - tauba! tauba!
Oh my gosh! Wonder what the Bangladeshis (millions dead) have to say about this? Or the Baluchis! or the Taliban now!
I think that the use of helicopter gunships, artillery, jets pounding villages, is unique to Pakistan (compared to India)! That honor is yours alone!
Allah hafiz
#122 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 10:49:42 am
Re: # 119: "BTW, did you know that there are Hindus, Buddhists in J&K as well? So, shouldn't the matter be 'anti-xyz', too?"
Yes, I do know that, and J&K Hindus, mostly in Jammu, want full integration with India as does BJP. So they are aligned. But they are a small minority.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Yes, I do know that, and J&K Hindus, mostly in Jammu, want full integration with India as does BJP. So they are aligned. But they are a small minority.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#121 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 10:44:36 am
Re: # 117 Riaz-ul-Haq
I noticed that you put quotes around the word 'secular' India? Do you find India to be not secular enough, or do you believe that striving to be secular is not a worthy objective?
You don't seem to have much of a problem with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!
Allah hafiz
I noticed that you put quotes around the word 'secular' India? Do you find India to be not secular enough, or do you believe that striving to be secular is not a worthy objective?
You don't seem to have much of a problem with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!
Allah hafiz
#120 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 10:43:43 am
Re: # 118
India has an ugly, bloody history of dealing with relatively low level insurgencies. Pakistanis have been far more restrained and slow to respond against much more violent and very well-armed insurgents.
Kashmiris never mounted the kind of insurgency that the Taliban are engaged in in Pakistan right now. Yet, India has maintained nearly 500,000 troops there and committed widespread murder, torture, rape and other atrocities well documented by human rights orgs and described by Prof Stanley Wolpert. Just a few years ago, there was a whole issue of National Geographic that graphically displayed Muslim cemeteries full of graves marked with names of very young men and boys who fell victim. Prior to that India executed brutal campaigns of custodial murder and mayhem in West Bengal and Punjab, including an attack on the Golden Temple....even though Sikhs did nothing comparable to what the Taliban are doing in Pakistan.
Even in the absence of any insurgencies, Indian officials (Modi and Co) have also sponsored pogroms of their own Muslim citizens in Gujarat, and gotten away with it.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
India has an ugly, bloody history of dealing with relatively low level insurgencies. Pakistanis have been far more restrained and slow to respond against much more violent and very well-armed insurgents.
Kashmiris never mounted the kind of insurgency that the Taliban are engaged in in Pakistan right now. Yet, India has maintained nearly 500,000 troops there and committed widespread murder, torture, rape and other atrocities well documented by human rights orgs and described by Prof Stanley Wolpert. Just a few years ago, there was a whole issue of National Geographic that graphically displayed Muslim cemeteries full of graves marked with names of very young men and boys who fell victim. Prior to that India executed brutal campaigns of custodial murder and mayhem in West Bengal and Punjab, including an attack on the Golden Temple....even though Sikhs did nothing comparable to what the Taliban are doing in Pakistan.
Even in the absence of any insurgencies, Indian officials (Modi and Co) have also sponsored pogroms of their own Muslim citizens in Gujarat, and gotten away with it.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#119 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 10:40:44 am
Re: # 117 Riaz-ul-Haq
"...it doesn't take a genius to see who it is directed against and what vote bank it appeals to..."
You are completely discounting these issues on their merit. AND, BJP is not alone on Article 370 (which you didn't know is also of a temporary nature, surprise! surprise!).
BTW, did you know that there are Hindus, Buddhists in J&K as well? So, shouldn't the matter be 'anti-xyz', too?
But, why worry about such trivial matters, when Pakistan's record in AJK is so stellar?
And, your last post is quite a climbdown from, "...This is a continuation of Modi politics of division and hate...".
I appreciate it. Thank you.
Allah hafiz
"...it doesn't take a genius to see who it is directed against and what vote bank it appeals to..."
You are completely discounting these issues on their merit. AND, BJP is not alone on Article 370 (which you didn't know is also of a temporary nature, surprise! surprise!).
BTW, did you know that there are Hindus, Buddhists in J&K as well? So, shouldn't the matter be 'anti-xyz', too?
But, why worry about such trivial matters, when Pakistan's record in AJK is so stellar?
And, your last post is quite a climbdown from, "...This is a continuation of Modi politics of division and hate...".
I appreciate it. Thank you.
Allah hafiz
#118 Posted by iron_mask on May 7, 2009 9:44:41 am
Oye, Riaz a question to you, Forget BJP etc - they can do didly quat to you, worry about yourself and forget this little contest!
on Up the following was put up - and I am interested in hearing from you:
What would people like you do if India used the same tactics - that the Pak Army is using for the last few days? Say in Kashmir, or Hyderabad, or Lucknow, or Bhopal, Beneras, or Rajasthan, or Gujarat?.
on Up the following was put up - and I am interested in hearing from you:
What would people like you do if India used the same tactics - that the Pak Army is using for the last few days? Say in Kashmir, or Hyderabad, or Lucknow, or Bhopal, Beneras, or Rajasthan, or Gujarat?.
#117 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 9:39:24 am
When BJP combines building Ram temple with overriding of Muslim personal law and cancellation of special status for Kashmir as "core issues" on its national agenda, it doesn't take a genius to see who it is directed against and what vote bank it appeals to. Anyone who can not see it is either in denial or deliberately supporting the Hindutva agenda in "secular" India.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#116 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 9:17:04 am
Re: # 115 Dost
"...I think that most of the Directive Principles have been completely ignored by the state..."
Yes, they have been. If the BJP drops the demand for the Uniform Civil Code, then the neglect will be complete.
"...I think that most of the Directive Principles have been completely ignored by the state..."
Yes, they have been. If the BJP drops the demand for the Uniform Civil Code, then the neglect will be complete.
#115 Posted by dost_mittar on May 7, 2009 9:08:43 am
"Every 10 years, the Parliament decides if the personal laws should be retained or eliminated."
I do not recall the Parliament ever discussing this issue; I think that most of the Directive Principles have been completely ignored by the state.
I do not recall the Parliament ever discussing this issue; I think that most of the Directive Principles have been completely ignored by the state.
#114 Posted by plats8 on May 7, 2009 8:31:54 am
Riaz,
About personal laws/status of Kashmir being a "pet issue of the BJP" - this somehow means that these issues shouldn't be a part of the Indian political discourse? It takes a special kind of chutzpah to suggest to a billion people what they should or shouldn't discuss in their federal election.
Even for people mortally opposed to the BJP, including people who've forgotten more about socialism than Ms. Roy ever knew, these are wedge issues that need to be resolved. And as far as wedge issues go, these are orders of magnitude less relevant than the "gays/guns/God" platform in the US, for instance.
About personal laws/status of Kashmir being a "pet issue of the BJP" - this somehow means that these issues shouldn't be a part of the Indian political discourse? It takes a special kind of chutzpah to suggest to a billion people what they should or shouldn't discuss in their federal election.
Even for people mortally opposed to the BJP, including people who've forgotten more about socialism than Ms. Roy ever knew, these are wedge issues that need to be resolved. And as far as wedge issues go, these are orders of magnitude less relevant than the "gays/guns/God" platform in the US, for instance.
#113 Posted by HPsauce on May 7, 2009 6:50:56 am
Pepe le Pew, bolo kiya terray govmint aisaa kaam karela kabhi bhi...
#112 Posted by HPsauce on May 7, 2009 6:44:18 am
pew_research...dekho padh sakte ho to padhlo...aur socho aur kitna chillar aur bewakoof bante yeah rulers riaz miah jaisa aadmi
paisa wassool, aur taliban khatma - aur kitna chilladh banega yeah rulers sala itna chillardh log...aaapne jaath bhaiyon ko qatl karye ek-aadh dollar aapne bank account mein daalte.
Sala, paisa liya aur kuch talibanoon ko mara. Khalaas.
dekho, yeah har saal ayega congress ke saamne. Everyyear paki elite khatma karne ka do-teen hazaar junta ko.
kya chilladh addmi hain yeah sab
paisa wassool, aur taliban khatma - aur kitna chilladh banega yeah rulers sala itna chillardh log...aaapne jaath bhaiyon ko qatl karye ek-aadh dollar aapne bank account mein daalte.
Sala, paisa liya aur kuch talibanoon ko mara. Khalaas.
dekho, yeah har saal ayega congress ke saamne. Everyyear paki elite khatma karne ka do-teen hazaar junta ko.
kya chilladh addmi hain yeah sab
#111 Posted by HPsauce on May 7, 2009 6:36:58 am
Re: # 109 Pew_research, sala pew take man.
Father, son and holy ghost! Amen.
sala, constotution talk with pakistanis is not pointless, but useful. Constitutional politics in pakistan is Muahmmed's laws. have you read Goran. han, padha ki naiye? naiye tau phir khaali-phukat kyon chik-chik karta, Hajji maulana haq ke saath.
Father, son and holy ghost! Amen.
sala, constotution talk with pakistanis is not pointless, but useful. Constitutional politics in pakistan is Muahmmed's laws. have you read Goran. han, padha ki naiye? naiye tau phir khaali-phukat kyon chik-chik karta, Hajji maulana haq ke saath.
#110 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 6:24:18 am
Re: # 107 Riaz ul Haq
"...This is a continuation of Modi politics of division and hate..."
Wondered who perfected it to a fine art in India? You know, who first said, 'We are a separate nation..our heroes are their villains, (and vice versa)..."
Allah hu Akbar
"...This is a continuation of Modi politics of division and hate..."
Wondered who perfected it to a fine art in India? You know, who first said, 'We are a separate nation..our heroes are their villains, (and vice versa)..."
Allah hu Akbar
#109 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 5:56:21 am
Re: # 108 Riaz
Addendum
Since you are so patently ignorant of India's Constitution, your blase remarks are understandable and reflect how little you know and how unsophisticated you are. That also explains how ignorant you were when Dost Mittar literally replaced word for word between what Geelani and Advani said.
Allah hafiz
Addendum
Since you are so patently ignorant of India's Constitution, your blase remarks are understandable and reflect how little you know and how unsophisticated you are. That also explains how ignorant you were when Dost Mittar literally replaced word for word between what Geelani and Advani said.
Allah hafiz
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