Arundhati ‘Pakistani’ and ‘Patriotic’ Right-wingers

Re: # 85
Most of the interactions Pakistanis have with Indians are with India's urban middle class, which constitutes the biggest vote bank for BJP and its allies in Sangh Parivar. BJP agenda has three core issues - construction of a grand Ram temple in Ayodhya (and it's clear as daylight that BJP supporters destroyed Babri Mosque), implementation of the uniform civil Code and abolition of the constitution's Article 370 granting special status to Jammu and Kashmir. This would help the BJP retain its committed voters who support it for pursuing a 'hardline Hindutva' agenda.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

"L.K. Advani began his address with a recitation from the Bhagvad Gita (he has never done that)."

Advani is on record - when asked point blank about his attitude to Hinduism - saying that the religion he admired the most was Sikhism.

Top ten list why the Pakistani left and the Indian left are similar:
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#3: Neither can unequivocally oppose the Taliban. The Indian left because they feel the Taliban are the voices of the dispossesed poor, the Pakistani left because they are either afraid for their safety or disarmed when some small print concerning Islamic scriptures is mentioned.

#2: They are also similar in that they can both be wholeheartedly against the Indian counterparts of the Taliban without fear or worrying about giving religious offence.

#1: But the number one reason they are similar is because they both set their moral compass by scanning the skies for Amreeka bahadur.

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I think Jagdish Bhagwati put it aptly when, commenting on Arundhati Roy's shrill rants on foreign direct investment and globalization, he said "Her writings on the subject are so devoid of intellectual content that one can only remark wittily that her conclusions are more obvious than her arguments."

A fair number of Indians and Pakistanis have always been enamored by Roy's bloviations. She is entirely irrelevant to the political discourse in India, and rightfully so.

Re: # 86 PMishra, what is your preference (in reference to your "vaporization" bit)

(a) A neutron bomb
(b) Daisy Cutter
(c) Hydrogen Bomb
(d) basic nuclear bumb

on

(a) Murdike
(b) Islamabad, lahore, Karanchi etc
(c) anyother place of your choice (you need to mention)

would also include (all or any one) with each bomb (bumb)

(a) Gita
(b) Koran
(c) bible
(d) Old testament

Just curious

I agree that it is pure fascist hindutva terorism that is begind india's attitude towards pakistan. For example, Mumbai attackers (almost all pakistanis) should have been served samosas and given choice of indians to kill. That would have been the right thing to do.

Also Kargil invasion was mostly imaginary, delusion caused by the horrible dal hindus insist on eating all the time. There are no jihadis crossing the LOC in Kashmir that is all Mossad propaganda. Grenades thrown at civiians in Kashmir are due to mixups, they were meant to be apples.

Also my friend who was wounded in the jihadi attack on IISc in Banglore, stupid fellow, he just shot himself with an AK-47 and pretended that a jihadi attacked him. he was a world class mathmetician, now he is unable to work. What else would expect from an indian and hindu?

I agree indians should improve their attitude towards Pakistan. There should be an attitude that for each of our people killed, we will eliminate some of the people on your side who are helping. A reward should be offered for the umm..extinction.. of the Mumbai attackers (say $1 million each) - I am happy to contribute a small part of it. The sooner the Muridke training facilities and JuD facilities are vaporized the happier we will all be. I think thats the best way to improve our attitude towards pakis.

Re: # 82 DM

For pakis, everyone in india is "right wing", except of course, AR... so that means nothing...

The right wing lunatic Majumdar (with apologies) writes "A can whine and claim all the privileges of being of the fair sex to demand special attention. B can’t do that because B is trying to compete with men on talent alone and claiming the “special privileges� and perks of being female is exactly what her bearded adversaries would like her to do – to “prove� their own hypothesis of male-female differences."

There is no such thing as competing on talent alone in a system stratified by gender. You have to change not only cultural perceptions but objective opportunities as well or the end result of this 'competing on talent alone' would be a mass of unjustly failed women and one or two successes that co-opt the whole endeavor. Structural adjustment cannot be countered by 'free and fair competition' where the 'free and fair' means 'white and men'.

Get a goddamned education and B.Sarwar cannot hold a candle to A. Roy, she is just plain simple jealous of a truth talker and so vents on Chowk.

TNITC masadi

"Hoodbhoy is a total moron and a sellout, unlike A. Roy"

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Exhibit A.

major#79:

I am not bothered by labels; there are others on this site who have called me right-wing, too. And I never said that "muslims can do no wrong".

Good scrutiny, Dost Mittar.

Alumni WW, Hoodbhoy is a total moron and a sellout, unlike A. Roy, the two cannot be compared. Anil sahib knows how baseless his entire "4th century BC to Adam Smith to entrepreneurship of the Apple variety" is as explanatory model of the World System so he resorts to attacking all leftists and the author BS is simply jealous of A.Roy.

TNITC masadi

Re: # 78 DM

yep, the AR's stupidity is very clear in the rhetoric... AR is an extreme leftist, but she is not the only one making such stupid rhetoric, you as a regular leftist have been prone similar banal rhetoric as well, even though milder than what AR is doing... ( for example: your thread of "muslims can do no wrong" )

The complete hold that the regular leftists have had over the political discourse in india for 40 years has led to this situation to begin with... Lack of Right Wing parties and opinions has led to unbalanced politics and weakness in national security, economy and general national well-being...

BJP and Advani are poor immitators of a true right wing party, but thank god for atleast that...

anil:

Riaz sahib has provided an example of what I meant wrt rhetoric:

Syed Ali Shah Geelani began his address with a recitation from the Qur'an. He then said what he has said before, on hundreds of occasions. The only way for the struggle to succeed, he said, was to turn to the Qur'an for guidance. He said Islam would guide the struggle and that it was a complete social and moral code that would govern the people of a free Kashmir. He said Pakistan had been created as the home of Islam, and that that goal should never be subverted. He said just as Pakistan belonged to Kashmir, Kashmir belonged to Pakistan. He said minority communities would have full rights and their places of worship would be safe. Each point he made was applauded.

I imagined myself standing in the heart of a Hindu nationalist rally being addressed by the Bharatiya Janata party's (BJP) LK Advani. Replace the word Islam with the word Hindutva, replace the word Pakistan with Hindustan, replace the green flags with saffron ones and we would have the BJP's nightmare vision of an ideal India."



I did exactly what AR said and this is the result:

"L.K. Advani began his address with a recitation from the Bhagvad Gita (he has never done that). He then said what he has said before, on hundreds of occasions. The only way for the struggle to succeed, he said, was to turn to the Gita for guidance (he has never said that). He said Hindutva would guide the struggle and that it was a complete social and moral code that would govern the people of a free Kashmir (he never said that). He said India had been created as the home of Hindutva (he never said that), and that that goal should never be subverted. He said just as India belonged to Kashmir, Kashmir belonged to India (he could conceivable say this). He said minority communities would have full rights and their places of worship would be safe (he would probably say that they have always been safe). Each point he made was applauded.

So, you see that when what is said as rhetoric is examined under reality, it completely breaks down.

Re: # 69 Pablo

Well said... That's the problem with commies and leftists in india - for some reason, they believe it's their duty to play apologists for islamic stupidity... Arundhati is an extreme example of people this tribe, but even mild leftists also do so, to the varying degree...

For example: Dost-Mittar. Even though he is against AR right now, he quite often is found to be batting for muslim stupidity - e.g. his recent post about "it's not muslims fault they don't integrate"...