Arundhati ‘Pakistani’ and ‘Patriotic’ Right-wingers

Re: # 170

Romair;

"...what is wrong with being a muslim separatist...."

I am surprised that you will ask this question. There is so much in today's times and in today's situation in the context of geo-political situation you talk about. We can have a debate just on this line.

I am almost certain that almost hypocritical that in one case you will support, and in other case you will oppose this thesis.

This dichotomy tells me what is fundamentally wrong, that the world and the region has moved away from TNT, the sooner we clear its derbies from our minds the better we would be in our ability to find a permanent solution based on prosperity (however slow), and stability.

Re: # 167

Riaz:

"...The unimaginable sums of public money that are needed t keep the military occupation of Kashmir going..."

Roy needs to check facts rather than play with words "unimaginable sums of public money".

The economics of India-Pakistan was has been thoroughly investigated on Indian side. I am certain, so have been the case on Pakistani side. Even there the general just don't act on their testosterones. In Kargil dollar, this amount was $110 million per day of the war. Pakistan cannot sustain more than 10 day war. Thus in conventional India can give an overwhelming response as it was given in Kargil (accoring to late Pakistani general Kiyani (??) of ISI); or it can drain Pakistan out beyond ten days. The cost would be $1.1 billion (for 10 days).

This is a loose change for Indian economy and not "unimaginable sums of public money".

Ex U.S. ambassador to India, said a couple of years ago in Islamabad, India can create situation like the Reagan created with Soviets. Simply up the ante. This is enough of a deterrent for bent-on war anti-India generals of Pakistani army.

There has been news in the press, that soon Pakistan will part its inventory of purified enriched uranium. This will be transferred to the U.S. This means for such generals nuclear scenario is out of question.

Given this on Pakistani side, and economic urgency and needs of the fabric that brings diverse people together under fragile new Indian identity. I can call myself an optimist about hopes of good relationships between two neighbors. In the next 10 tens years, I think Pakistan too stands a chance to transform itself from terror camp to powerful economy. The solving problems (like Indian Kashmir, if it would still be viewed as problem by that generation Pakistanis and Indians) will lead of permanence. Pakistan's insistence for a solution right now, or nothing is very foolish to put it mildly. There are certainly many ways to skin the cat. The solution now is only one, and it has not worked to date.

dost-mittar #: "And please let's be honest and call your brothers Muslim separatists, because that's what they are, the fact that they happen to be Kashmiris is a mere coincidence; it would be the same if and when they have a majority in Assam."

....what is wrong with being a muslim separatist.....if someone occupies muslims, do they not have a right to demand their independence.....

.......every single province in india, which had a religious minority as a provincial majority, has either separated successfully, or attempting violently to separate....punjab, sind, baluchistan, nwfp, bengal all had muslim majorities and separated......east punjab had a sikh majority and attempted violently to separate......kashmir has a muslim majority and is attempting to separate......

shouldn't you be asking the following questions:......why do minorities not want to live with india......and/or why is india bent upon keeping under its occupation lands whose populations do not want to be a part of india......

isn't the best way to avoid separatist, not to occupy them in the first place......why blame the victim......if tomorrow you occupy my house, and i try to kick you out, can you simply say, since i am a muslim, hence i have no right to my house?

To All pakistanis,

Following is India's sentiment towards you guys:

THE BIRTH, SURVIVAL AND SUREST DEMISE OF PAKISTAN IS IRRELEVENT TO YOUNGER INDIAN GENERATION. PERIOD !!

YOU STAY OUT OF OUR KASHMIR AND YOU WILL NOT HEAR A DIMMY FROM US.

Hamidm2,

"please let my people go and we promise not to bother you"

Gladly. I didn't realize that the Indian govt is demanding that unwilling Kashmiris live in India. We keep the land, though.

Also, given that we are a poor country working hard to improve our economy while we hold on to a democracy, can we get a written affidavit that you will really really leave us alone? At this point, we as a nation (Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Marxists - except the unwilling Kashmiris) unanimously feel that you are not a threat in any real sense, but an irritating annoyance whose only objective in life is to piss on the neighbour's lawn. We'd rather not have that.

India, a country with wrenching poverty where two-thirds of the people defecate in the open , spends two-thirds of its budget on debt servicing, military, police, intelligence and security agencies. One reason for the large military budget is the continuous deployment of half million soldiers in Kashmir. Here is an excerpt from an article Roy wrote about Indian military occupation of Kashmir:

The unimaginable sums of public money that are needed t keep the military occupation of Kashmir going is money that ought by right to be spent on schools and hospitals and food for an impoverished, malnutritioned population in India. What kind of government can possibly believe that it has the right to spend it on more weapons, more concertina wire and more prisons in Kashmir?

The Indian military occupation of Kashmir makes monsters of us all. It allows Hindu chauvinists to target and victimize Muslims in India by holding them hostage to the freedom struggle being waged by Muslims in Kashmir.

India needs azadi from Kashmir just as much as - if not more than - Kashmir needs azadi from India.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#161 "too sexy for my body" hamidm2

[..... my obsession with kashmir has nothing to do with hoorees - i can barely handle the one i have ....... it is a matter of principle - the kashmiris, have a right to be be free and should be reunited with their people .........]

Shouldn't you be leaving all this complicated thinking to your superiors, the whites? And devote more time in front of the mirror?

hamidm:

Let my people go

If you knew the genesis of this slogan, you wouldn't be raising it in the context of your Muslim separatists. This expression was used by zionists to put pressure on the Soviets to let Russian jews leave Russia and go to their promised land of Israel. Are you asking that India should let your Muslim brothers go to their promised land?

And please let's be honest and call your brothers Muslim separatists, because that's what they are, the fact that they happen to be Kashmiris is a mere coincidence; it would be the same if and when they have a majority in Assam.

Re: # 161

Hamidm mian

"... so once kashmir has been liberated, you will never hear from me ......... "

So what if Indians want to hear from you, then they must not give Kashmir (this does not imply that even a iota of India is for sale or let go). Therefore, India should become Hamidm tolerant. Are their anti-biotic that you can suggest?

Re: # 151
Pakistan Paaindubad

The election stats from the horse's mouth:
http://newsblaze.com/story/20090430112305kash.nb/topstory.html
And while we are on the subject, your 'concern' for election turnouts would have been more believable had you not fully endorsed Musharraf -- the world champion of winning Presidential campaigns with 99.8% margins!

Takbir

Re: # 161 hamid
[... please let my people go ...]

I thought you pakis were supposed to "ladke lenge bhinoodland"... what's up with this "please sir" business: please sir, let my people go, please sir, can I have some more kashmir...

what heck dude...

You are a martial paki who carries grudges for his father being molested by a madrassi a generation ago... well, you got to fight, you got to avenge your father's honor, go fight the bhindoos, you can't avenge honor by saying pretty please....

LOL

Re: # 149

bj mian,

..... my obsession with kashmir has nothing to do with hoorees - i can barely handle the one i have ....... it is a matter of principle - the kashmiris, have a right to be be free and should be reunited with their people .........

........ please let my people go and we promise not to bother you ..... no one from my father's or grandfather's generation ever went to any part of india even when there were no borders .... and i certainly have no desire to associate with madrasis ...... i was raised to hold all madrasis in contempt (primarily because a madrasi general ruined my father's career; so once kashmir has been liberated, you will never hear from me ......... for the record, i have been against all forms of cross border footsie including cricket and journalists having tea in delhi ............. beena is gulity of high treason and should be thrown in jail and tortured with bollywood movies, idli and sambar ......

Re: # 150

You can wait until the final results are electronically tallied and look at the turnout by constituency at the Election Commission's Website.

poor riaz, still running amok here, i guess no one could help him with his medication problems...

Interesting thing is that fellows like him think that by quoting criticism of indian state by indians, he is proving something we want to hide. On the contrary; just as critics like Chomsky, Krugman, Stiglitz, Mearshiemer, Walt etc. show strength of US culture - similarly sikand, pankaj mishra, arundhati roy, teesta seetalvad etc. demonstrate strength and pluralism of indian culture.

But this point is usually lost on people who have only experienced authoritarianism and dictatorship. They are unused to free thinking and debate and confuse it with weakness and think people will be impressed by quoting only the negative comments from the critics.

Re: # 157 ranger ko mangta 72 aadhmi. hum sab ko mangta phit auraath.

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