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#156 Posted by nkg on May 7, 2009 9:36:32 pm
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#155 Posted by guru on May 7, 2009 9:32:06 pm
MBa (Macaulay's Baby)
"No doubt RSS as an organization is well organized and disciplined. It should use this to eliminate caste system out. It has the ability to do so. As a first step, as its Shakha's it should start with open apology to all Dalits."
In recent visit I was surprised to see a Shakha being conducted by a so called harijan/Mahar (Kamble)on the ground floor hall of a Konkanastha Bramhin. The guy was Shakha Pramukh. Many maid servant's kids and kid's from slum area are attending Shakhas to get exercise and good Sanskars. Kangress used to have Rashtra Seva Dal but since 70s you do not see their presence in anywhere at least in Maharashtra. Kangress and other Whisky socialists care only for unearned Mewa.
MBa G, pl do not use the word Dalit. It's in circulation because of imperialist, anti-human, anti-culture, anti-environment Abrahamic gandus which includes totalitarian later day Abrahamic gandus (Marxist).
A day is not far when Shakhas will be conducted in the court yard of a masjid before attending evening Namaz conducted in Shuddha Marathi.
"No doubt RSS as an organization is well organized and disciplined. It should use this to eliminate caste system out. It has the ability to do so. As a first step, as its Shakha's it should start with open apology to all Dalits."
In recent visit I was surprised to see a Shakha being conducted by a so called harijan/Mahar (Kamble)on the ground floor hall of a Konkanastha Bramhin. The guy was Shakha Pramukh. Many maid servant's kids and kid's from slum area are attending Shakhas to get exercise and good Sanskars. Kangress used to have Rashtra Seva Dal but since 70s you do not see their presence in anywhere at least in Maharashtra. Kangress and other Whisky socialists care only for unearned Mewa.
MBa G, pl do not use the word Dalit. It's in circulation because of imperialist, anti-human, anti-culture, anti-environment Abrahamic gandus which includes totalitarian later day Abrahamic gandus (Marxist).
A day is not far when Shakhas will be conducted in the court yard of a masjid before attending evening Namaz conducted in Shuddha Marathi.
#154 Posted by BJ2 on May 7, 2009 9:03:40 pm
Re: # 151
The remaining kashmiris are perhaps too chicken to vote. Perhaps they need to move to Pakistan where they won't have to put up with such trivialities!
#153 Posted by Ranger98860 on May 7, 2009 9:03:03 pm
And Pak Whatever Whatever sahib, frankly, we dont care how many people voted in Kashmir. So they dont like India too much. Bloody muslims.Expectedly so. So what ?
Dont waste your no doubt precious breath on it.
Dont waste your no doubt precious breath on it.
#152 Posted by Ranger98860 on May 7, 2009 9:00:50 pm
Pakistan Whatever Whatever Riaz Haq saheb says :
"Yes, minorities do count, in so far as respecting their basic rights. But not in determining the future of Kashmir. That right belongs to the majority of the people of the state."
Mian Pakistan Whatever Whatever Saheb, it is the people of India who decide Kashmir's fate, and that includes the people of Kashmir. And people of India decided long time back that Kashmir stays with India.
If anybody in Kashmir has a problem with that, they were welcome to turn to the west and keep marching and marching...till they reach a happy place. They land stays with India.
And if you, revered Pak Whatever Whatever saheb, are unhappy with that ? What are you gonna do ? My suggestion is, pick up a gun, jump over the fence at the LOC and fight the Indian Army like many of your fellow Pakis..what do you say ?
Think about it.
"Yes, minorities do count, in so far as respecting their basic rights. But not in determining the future of Kashmir. That right belongs to the majority of the people of the state."
Mian Pakistan Whatever Whatever Saheb, it is the people of India who decide Kashmir's fate, and that includes the people of Kashmir. And people of India decided long time back that Kashmir stays with India.
If anybody in Kashmir has a problem with that, they were welcome to turn to the west and keep marching and marching...till they reach a happy place. They land stays with India.
And if you, revered Pak Whatever Whatever saheb, are unhappy with that ? What are you gonna do ? My suggestion is, pick up a gun, jump over the fence at the LOC and fight the Indian Army like many of your fellow Pakis..what do you say ?
Think about it.
#151 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 8:41:32 pm
Here's one more report of low voter turnout in Kashmir by an "anti-Indian French source" called Radio France with an ax to grind:
As few as 15 per cent are reported to have voted in Kashmir, says correspondent Vickram Roy, with voting following the national trend of 50-55 per cent in Punjab and Haryana.
http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/113/article_3693.asp
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
As few as 15 per cent are reported to have voted in Kashmir, says correspondent Vickram Roy, with voting following the national trend of 50-55 per cent in Punjab and Haryana.
http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/113/article_3693.asp
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#150 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 8:12:30 pm
Re: # 144
Do you have another "reliable" source of your choosing that contradicts this?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Do you have another "reliable" source of your choosing that contradicts this?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#149 Posted by BJ2 on May 7, 2009 8:09:11 pm
MiaN hamidm2 is entitled to his dreams of the Kashmiri hooree coming and bringing joy and happiness to those dreary nights!
As always, the real "hooree" -- if she shows up at all, will be less than satisfying to him -- because she would likely be of the unwashed masses variety, with facial hairs of excessive length.
#148 Posted by nkg on May 7, 2009 6:52:01 pm
Re: # 126
hamidm2...
in Kashmir, those who try to kill others are getting killed...what indian army should do with armed jihadis?
ans. send them to the arabic moon god's whore house...and that is exactly indian army is doing....
those jihadi bast*** in kashmir thought that killing pundits will make way for integration with Pakistan...but somehow these muslas don't learn from history...when the armed forces were deployed, they got what they deserved....for single bullet these jihadis offer to India, they will receive 2/3 as bonus from india...and no aid from china can sustain these jihadi forces in long run....
hamidm2...
in Kashmir, those who try to kill others are getting killed...what indian army should do with armed jihadis?
ans. send them to the arabic moon god's whore house...and that is exactly indian army is doing....
those jihadi bast*** in kashmir thought that killing pundits will make way for integration with Pakistan...but somehow these muslas don't learn from history...when the armed forces were deployed, they got what they deserved....for single bullet these jihadis offer to India, they will receive 2/3 as bonus from india...and no aid from china can sustain these jihadi forces in long run....
#147 Posted by nkg on May 7, 2009 6:41:49 pm
Re: # 145
Raiz katue...
Yeh, everything about RSS may be true...
But only Pakis are getting thrashing from US drones!!!!
Only Pakis are dumped from UK for suspected association with terrorism.....
What a unfair system!!!!
Raiz katue...
Yeh, everything about RSS may be true...
But only Pakis are getting thrashing from US drones!!!!
Only Pakis are dumped from UK for suspected association with terrorism.....
What a unfair system!!!!
#146 Posted by anil on May 7, 2009 6:07:48 pm
Sanatani ji:
No doubt RSS as an organization is well organized and disciplined. It should use this to eliminate caste system out. It has the ability to do so. As a first step, as its Shakha's it should start with open apology to all Dalits. This apology, if rendered by an extremist Hindu organization, at the invocations each morning for the next two only then such an evil can be eradicated.
You may like to make it a personal challenge to get it inside RSS, otherwise RSS has not moral authority to play get even game with any one.
No doubt RSS as an organization is well organized and disciplined. It should use this to eliminate caste system out. It has the ability to do so. As a first step, as its Shakha's it should start with open apology to all Dalits. This apology, if rendered by an extremist Hindu organization, at the invocations each morning for the next two only then such an evil can be eradicated.
You may like to make it a personal challenge to get it inside RSS, otherwise RSS has not moral authority to play get even game with any one.
#145 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 5:39:09 pm
Re: # 142
You continue to display your unabashed and unvarnished bigotry. You should be the poster child of the real face of India's "secular democracy".
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
You continue to display your unabashed and unvarnished bigotry. You should be the poster child of the real face of India's "secular democracy".
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#144 Posted by Pew_Research on May 7, 2009 5:23:23 pm
Re: # 140 Riaz ul Haq
By quoting a subjective report (without any numbers on turnout) from a govt. controlled media of that magnificent democracy in the Gulf - the UAE, you have undercut your own credibility.
Allah hu Akbar
By quoting a subjective report (without any numbers on turnout) from a govt. controlled media of that magnificent democracy in the Gulf - the UAE, you have undercut your own credibility.
Allah hu Akbar
#143 Posted by stuka on May 7, 2009 3:48:02 pm
Sanatani Pai: Lagda hai BJP will lose again. Be prepared for another five years of Pak appeasement.
#142 Posted by Sanatani on May 7, 2009 2:20:15 pm
Re: # 107
Riaz Haq Mistakes:
1) RSS Hindu nationalist not at all it is simply nationalist and often at the cost of Hindu lives e.g. in the events leading to the brutal massacre of erstwhile East pakis (Banglas) in general and Hindus in particular the RSS refrained from any muslai retaliation in the rest of India even when it was known that the urdus were acting as the cats paw in this (1 of the reasons why I dislike the RSS)
2) "when the typical urban middle class voter (with BJP sympathies) did not turn out to vote and Congress benefited from the rural voter turn-out" The congress won hugely in all traditional Urban centres which were BJP or their allies strongholds between Delhi Mumbai and Kolkatta the BJP tally dropped from 19 to 3 and it won 3 seat in Bengaluru (a tradtional congress vote bank). On the contrary it swept Indias poorest states Orissa with an ally, Jharkhand highest vote % it won only 1 seat as it refused an ally tieup, 10/11 in Vidarbha the poorest area of Maharshtra and swept on its own stream MP, Chattisgarh and Rajasthan.
Vaise partition took place between muslim and non-muslim areas of India. The non-muslims were cleansed from the muslim areas it would have been fair to do the same to them in India.
Sanatani
Riaz Haq Mistakes:
1) RSS Hindu nationalist not at all it is simply nationalist and often at the cost of Hindu lives e.g. in the events leading to the brutal massacre of erstwhile East pakis (Banglas) in general and Hindus in particular the RSS refrained from any muslai retaliation in the rest of India even when it was known that the urdus were acting as the cats paw in this (1 of the reasons why I dislike the RSS)
2) "when the typical urban middle class voter (with BJP sympathies) did not turn out to vote and Congress benefited from the rural voter turn-out" The congress won hugely in all traditional Urban centres which were BJP or their allies strongholds between Delhi Mumbai and Kolkatta the BJP tally dropped from 19 to 3 and it won 3 seat in Bengaluru (a tradtional congress vote bank). On the contrary it swept Indias poorest states Orissa with an ally, Jharkhand highest vote % it won only 1 seat as it refused an ally tieup, 10/11 in Vidarbha the poorest area of Maharshtra and swept on its own stream MP, Chattisgarh and Rajasthan.
Vaise partition took place between muslim and non-muslim areas of India. The non-muslims were cleansed from the muslim areas it would have been fair to do the same to them in India.
Sanatani
#141 Posted by RiazHaq on May 7, 2009 2:15:42 pm
Re: # 131: anil: "The future of South Asia needs to mold based on economic and other modern principles. I envision a blueprint of a roadmap that devolves power to states in India (including Indian Kashmir). I am not certain Pakistani Punjabi (70% of the population) is ready for a similar blue print for Pakistan."
I'd go a step further and suggest Asian Union including all major Asian nations, China, Japan, India, Korea, Indonesia, Pakistan etc, along the lines of European Union. But you know what it took to create EU and how contentious it still is. There has to be a basic willingness to sit down and talk to resolve issues...something India has been unable or unwilling to do.
As Stephen Cohen recently put it: "Indians do not know whether they want to play cricket and trade with Pakistan, or whether they want to destroy it. There is still no consensus on talking with Pakistan: sometimes the government and its spokesman claim that they do not want to deal with the generals, but when the generals are out of the limelight, they complain that the civilians are too weak to conclude a deal. "
As the senior partner in India-Pak relationship in South Asia, India has failed to show any leadership even within SAARC by its own stupidity....a successful SAARC would be far more beneficial to India than others because of its natural advantage in size. But it requires more enlightened magnanimity that has been sorely lacking among Indian politicians from both major parties.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
I'd go a step further and suggest Asian Union including all major Asian nations, China, Japan, India, Korea, Indonesia, Pakistan etc, along the lines of European Union. But you know what it took to create EU and how contentious it still is. There has to be a basic willingness to sit down and talk to resolve issues...something India has been unable or unwilling to do.
As Stephen Cohen recently put it: "Indians do not know whether they want to play cricket and trade with Pakistan, or whether they want to destroy it. There is still no consensus on talking with Pakistan: sometimes the government and its spokesman claim that they do not want to deal with the generals, but when the generals are out of the limelight, they complain that the civilians are too weak to conclude a deal. "
As the senior partner in India-Pak relationship in South Asia, India has failed to show any leadership even within SAARC by its own stupidity....a successful SAARC would be far more beneficial to India than others because of its natural advantage in size. But it requires more enlightened magnanimity that has been sorely lacking among Indian politicians from both major parties.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
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