Demise of Pukhtoon Nation

A little google on the Taliban issue, and suddenly the focus shifts from Pashtoon to Saudi-backed Wahhabi agenda disguised under the mainstream Islam. These blood-thirsty, throat-slitters, fixed-minded, terrorists are running multi-dimensional organizations and attracting un-educated, oft unaware mainstream muslims to join their madness under the pre-text of Islamic puritism and anti-American movement. Do you know how many political parties, student movements, jihadi organizations, religious schools and mosques are directly funded by Saudi petrodollars. It would be worth your time if you do little web search starting from Taliban on Wikipedia.

Just read this eye opener and you’ll not be surprised over what’s happening with Pashtoons, and what eventually will happen to rest of us.

http://www.basicsproject.org/reports/wahabbi_oragnziations_north_america. pdf

Also see how our dearest religious political party has taken stance on army’s cleanup operation.

http://www.jamaat.org/new/urdu/

(I apologize to those who can not read Urdu)

Card Carrying Members of 1400 year old MoonSanto Corp., look what you have been doing:
"Through this column, I want to say one thing to both Allah and India: the people of Muridke should be forgiven. To Allah: it is enough punishment to have to live in Muridke that there is no need for any cross-examination on Doomsday. To India: the fact that Lashkar-e-Taiba members are located in Muridke means there is no need for a surgical strike.

I am saying this because I am 38 and I am still trying to get rid of the ghosts of a childhood spent in Muridke. There are certain images which no amount of THC, or Xanax or Cipralex has been able to erase.

One of them is this: once, after finishing school, I went to my grandmother's home on the canal which divides Hadoke from Muridke. After placing my schoolbag in the verandah, I went to the bank of the canal to join other kids whom I had spotting before entering the house. As I came to the bank, the kids started shouting "oye laash" (oh a corpse) and pointing at something in the canal. I also joined them. It was a human corpse with its throat slit in such a way that the head seemed to be floating slightly above the body.

I ran back home and told the aunts and uncles. They all told me to forget about it. I asked why nobody was taking the murdered human being out of the water and telling the police. The unanimous answer was "whoever tells the police will automatically become the first suspect."

For a kid, it meant there was nowhere to turn to if somebody beat you to a pulp on the way to school. It is still the way things are for the majority of the disenfranchised people in Muridke. Mind you, when you are a child and when going to another city is an annual adventure, your own city is your entire universe. If your city is a picture of lawlessness, your entire universe is lawless. There is no solace: nowhere to run to.

Another image that I have been trying to get rid of is linked with the absence of an adequate healthcare system. I don't even know to which disease I lost three brothers when they were still infants. There are only certain images: a bunch of relatives looking for a doctor in the middle of a foggy winter night, carrying a child, still unnamed, wrapped in blankets and going from one closed clinic to another, then another mound of dirt in the Hadoke graveyard.

At another time, after my parents had tried several shabby clinics, somebody suggested the sacrifice of a rabbit as penance or something. Soon a rabbit was slaughtered in the middle of the unpaved yard, the sharp red outline of the pool of blood soaking in the bright brown earth under the afternoon sun is difficult to erase.

Another image is associated with the heroine trade of the Ziaul Haq era. Some families had found heroine a profitable business and soon they were fighting mafia-style running battles among themselves for total control over profits. At nights, when all the meek of the earth bolted their doors, there was the sound of smugglers coming and going. The panicked whispers. The hustle and bustle of weapons being transferred. Then one night, there was an insistent knock on one door and someone going hoarse: "Hurry up. Open up. I have bumped off the opponent." We all stayed put. Then in the morning it was a normal school day as if nothing had happened. Nobody was even mentioning it. Perhaps they all knew even whispering about it could become a curse.

Now, as someone who dabbles in social theory, I believe Muridke is a microcosm of all the policies our government has pursued since 1947 after abandoning the idea of social justice and a welfare state.

Email: urrehman@gmail.com "

You are genetically modified by MoonSanto. Where is Mad-Sad-ArabI aka ex-Pandit MandarMultankar aka masadi. It seems India needs to drop Bhola from Michigan with bum in hand gree candle in his butt. What do you think?

From Michigan to Mayurbhanj....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI8znGJcF-k

Re: # 93 nkg

- "we have to tolerate Congress for next five years..." Congress is better than BJP and the left, maya, mulayam, Lalu, TDP, Amma and so many other parties. BJP's loud and agressive posturing is not suitable in international relations.

- "they will try to project "bachhra" (Rahul gandhi) for next PM". I guess not. He would be suitable after 5 years. But there is no denying that he has been been touring the country at the grass roots level for the last 3 years and knows the real ground situation than many other leaders today.

- "we are allowing muslas to be part of voting process...This is very ugly". You have expressed your views about indian muslims and the final solution umpteen times, but it is not feasible. You need to accept the fact. The native muslims have as much rights and duties as any other Indian of any other religion. I would agree to your statement when applied to the Bangladeshi migrants.

Re: # 94 sjunaidn...,''Pashtun (aka Pathan) frontier tribes – collectively mislabeled `Taliban’ by western media - are up in arms again because they are being bombed by US Predator drones.'''
I don't know what media reports you are talking about,CRIMINALS AND THUGS, TALIBAN are not representatives of Puhktuns and majority of pukhtuns living in tribal areas are in favor of U.S. drone attacks,The Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy, a think tank of researchers and political activists from the NWFP and FATA, Between last November and January AIRRA sent five teams, each made up of five researchers, to the parts of FATA that are often hit by American drones, to conduct a survey of public opinion about the attacks. The team visited Wana (South Waziristan), Ladda (South Waziristan), Miranshah (North Waziristan), Razmak (North Waziristan) and Parachinar (Kurram Agency). The teams handed out 650 structured questionnaires to people in the areas. The questionnaires were in Pashto, English and Urdu. The 550 respondents (100 declined to answer) were from professions related to business, education, health and transport. Following are the questions and the responses of the people of FATA.

-- Do you see drone attacks bringing about fear and terror in the common people? (Yes 45%, No 55%)

-- Do you think the drones are accurate in their strikes? (Yes 52%, No 48%)

-- Do you think anti-American feelings in the area increased due to drone attacks recently? (Yes 42%, No 58%)

-- Should Pakistan military carry out targeted strikes at the militant organisations? (Yes 70%, No 30%)

-- Do the militant organisations get damaged due to drone attacks? (Yes 60%, No 40%)

A group of researchers at AIRRA draw these conclusions from the survey.
Your term,'' growing rebellion''is also wrong,not only pukhtuns but majority of people in other cities are also suffering because of Criminal,thugs,terrorists in Pakistan and majority of Pakistanis from KHYBER TO KARACHI are supporting military action against these criminals of Alquida who are financed by the enemies of Pakistan.

Pakistan is among the world’s poorest nations. Half its people are illiterate. Most subsist on $1.13 daily. The feudal landowning elite, only .5% of the population, holds over 90% of national wealth. Corruption engulfs everything. Democracy is a sham; the legal system a cruel joke.

Islamic law, however draconian, offers the only justice that cannot be bought. Growing resistance movements in Northwest Frontier and Baluchistan call for national leadership that represents Pakistan’s rather than western interests. Pakistanis are humiliated by being forced by the US and Britain to wage war against their own people under the pretext of `fighting Islamic terrorism.’

Pashtun (aka Pathan) frontier tribes – collectively mislabeled `Taliban’ by western media - are up in arms again because they are being bombed by US Predator drones, and attacked by the Pakistani Army, which the US rents for $1.5 billion annually(the official figure; actually, it’s a lot more), to support its widening war in Afghanistan. Pashtun civilian casualties - `collateral damage’ in Pentagonspeak – are rising fast.

The primary cause of the growing rebellion in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP) is the US war in Afghanistan, which is rapidly spreading into Pakistan. Most Pakistanis see the Afghan Taliban and their own rebellious Pashtun as heroes fighting western domination, and scorn their own isolated leaders in Islamabad as working for the Yankee dollar.

Equally, the Pashtun tribes of NWFP were guaranteed total autonomy in 1947; Pakistan’s army was formally excluded from the Pashtun tribal region. Washington has pressured Islamabad into violating this basic provision of Pakistan’s constitution by sending troops and warplanes into the independent tribal region.

Even the British Imperial Raj’s most junior officer knew it was foolhardy to provoke warlike Pashtun. But Washington has done just this. Still, the Pashtun `Taliban’ have no influence outside their Northwest Frontier and are not about to take over the rest of Pakistan.

http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/taliban-terror.a spx

guru...
whatever may be...
Now, we have to tolerate Congress for next five years...
Most probably they will try to project "bachhra" (Rahul gandhi) for next PM...I was feeling both BJP and CPI(M) lacked the absence of Pramod Mahajan and Mr. Anil Biswas and HK Surajeet....

Somehow K'taka and specificaly B'lore was not part of this mass stupidity....
The basic deficiency of Indian democratic process is, we are allowing muslas to be part of voting process...This is very ugly...next time Laloo Yadav should not insist to include cattles in the voter's list.....

I meant Monsanto seeds do not grow crops which can give seeds for next year. The genetically modified seeds cannot withstand local pests, so farmer has to get pesticides from Monsanto sister the pesticide. Baki army and its ammunition is like that pesticide which pollutes the water table and gives all kinds of cancers to the poor farmers. These genetically modified seeds also demand lot of fertilizers dezertifying the land over a decade time. IMF $s are like this deadly fertilizer.

Again, Baki gandus for Khuda-sake wake up and give up religious gandugiri:

http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/10/09/remembering-madhava-vidyarany a/
Yet, we know that Harihara and his brother, Bukkaraya were reconverted to Hinduism from Islam, which they had embraced as the Delhi sultan’s prisoners. It was Vidyaranya’s teachings that propelled their hearts to reconvert, save, and uphold their ancestral religion. Vidyaranya was perhaps one of the first persons to fully understand Islam as a philosophy of imperialism and simultaneously, formulate a strategy to combat it. Islam’s conquest of the Deccan from Khilji to Muhamad Bin Tughlaq left the landscape in its wake burnt and bloody, a fact that didn’t escape the notice of the conquered. No resisting Hindu king could understand what motivated such barbarism. Inter (or intra) religious feud in India till Islam’s advent comprised furious verbal debate. Physical violence occurred but between individual debaters, and that on philosophical matters. India took a few hundred years to even try and decipher why Islam’s soldiers rent such wanton destruction on temples and other Hindu religious symbols and institutions. Vidyaranya understood this. As surviving examples, contrast the temple structures built by Vijaynagar kings and those that were built before them. Vijaynagar-style temples are typically built like fortresses with huge ramparts, tall towers, and easily defensible. Older temples are in this sense, “defenceless� because nobody could fathom the idea that a temple would be destroyed in wartime.

Vidyaranya was a voracious composer of mainly philsophical works like the monumental Panchadashi, a treatise on Advaita. Born Maadhava (not to be confused with Madhvacharya, the founder of the Dwaita school), he was ably accompanied in all his pursuits by his younger brother, Saayana. Saayana was himself a soldier, scholar, and philosopher. Apart from his active military participation, he wrote treatises and other philosophical works numbering more than a hundred. His major work remains the Vedartha Prakasha (Light on the meaning of the Vedas) while his Sudhanidhis (Treasures of Ambrosia) include manuals on ritual, ayurveda, music, prosody, and grammar. Maadhava at some stage in his life renounced material life and became a Sanyasi. He was subsequently appointed as the 12th Shankaracharya at Sringeri.

"Zalimo you took away our music, you took away our song, you took away our dance!!! Why and for what?"

They took away first your history, language, broke your community and made your land non-sacred so that you go on haj to distant desert land. These Zalims did not come yesterday they came 8th century first in Sind.

What Mohammed started was Monsanto. Just as poor farmer has to back to Monsanto for cotton and other seeds, enslaved people have to go back to the same Mohammad's alien book and desert land for spiritual seeds. Mullas fatwas and Arabic teaching is nothing but genetically engineered seeds not meant for local habitat.

Curses of innocents massacred in Mumbai locals in 2006, at CST in 2008, delhi, jaipur and varanasi is going to take toll from Bakiland.

Re: # 89
[...How could you take this away from of us, out of us and why? ... Zalimo you took away our music, you took away our song, you took away our dance!!! ...]

who took away your music?... taliban?...

Past couple a days I had been humming this semi classical Indian song from when I was a little kid and I figured let me check it out on you tube. There they had the complete version from Dileep Kumar’s movie Kohinoor. The song of course is
“madhuban mein radhika nache re�
And I played it over and over again. The singing is absolutely fantastic with Muhammad Rafi’ s perfect delivery. On screen Dileep provides a command performance and the dancer, My God! The dancer is just fabulous. The way she moves on every word, on the thap of the tabla, the sitar and the sarod it is just perfection, its art taken to a whole different level. While reading through the accompanying thread I found that Ustad Abdul Halim Jaffer Khan was especially brought in for this piece and other great musicians included Ustad Hafiz Ali Khan on sarod.

By the third time over, it just became overwhelming for me and I got extremely sad. Here I was enjoying fabulous art which is occasionally reached in very special circumstances where the human spirit could be uplifted to such a level and I was barely able to contain my sorrow. All I could say was how could you? How could you take this away from of us, out of us and why? Man! This is was what was good in us, this was what this dharti, this ancestory bequeathed upon us and you took it away. Zalimo you took away our music, you took away our song, you took away our dance!!! Why and for what? We never wanted your help in saving us in fact you are nobody and you cant save us. But in your hubris all you did was destroy us.

adamkhan #86 I think chowk staff banned poor Zeena too (her posts are marked the dreaded "=== interact filtered ==="). So it is not just Masadi who gets banned.

Equal Justice Before the Chowk Law Zindabad!!

Re: # 83 spy

the real question is: why do pakis suddenly wake up to this "fact" about "reachery, laziness, corrupt, greedy, and of late women-beating" pathans?...

Just a month ago - pashtoons are "brave, courageous, warriors" who are perfect companions with "martial race" pakis in their fight against evil hindooos... and now suddenly everything has changed... LOL

I dont understand this one thing, I know this Zeena is mentally unstable but why is Chowkstaff getting kicks out of her cyber diarrhea?

This is unfair, people like masadi have been banned for saying much less, but this one is allowed to say whatever she wants, which is basically hate speech.

Many unsuspecting pushtoons here, who dont know about her dementia, take her seriously and reply in kind. which only adds to the gali galoch that chowk is being reduced to these days.

can chowkstaff please put a leash on her?

thanks

Zeena: you should not generalize about anyone.
There are some pathans who are lazy, stupid, brutal etc. AND there are some pathans who are energetic, smart, civilized.
Then there are panjabis who are lazy, stupid, brutal. AND there are panjabis who are energetic, smart, civilized.

Then there are (fill in your favorite group of people) who are lazy, stupid, brutal. AND there are (fill in your favorite group of people) who are energetic, smart, civilized.

So - I recommend you consider a different classification scheme for people, as follows:

There are lazy, stupid, brutal individuals who are lazy, stupid, brutal. AND there are energetic, smart, civilized individuals who are energetic, smart, civilized.

Once you get used to it seeing people as individuals, you move to the next stage to an even more realistic classification scheme, as follows:

Some people are lazy, stupid, brutal some of the time, others are lazy, stupid, brutal most of the time. AND some people are energetic, smart, civilized some of the time, others are energetic, smart, civilized most of the time.

"So where Pukhtoon does stands today? After fighting for years against Russia and then now America, these Pukhtoons have been declared “Unwanted�".

Who the hell is against the Pukhtoons????.....you make it sound like entire Pakistani nation is against the Pukhtoons and deliberately victimizing them just for the hell of it. Fact of the matter is it is an unfortunate series of events taking place in FATA and if Pakistan army does not crush the Pakistan hating talibans who calls all Pakistanis Kafir except the people who think just like they do, they will take over the entire region of FATA and will blow up more schools and behead more people and beat up more young girls on the name of Sharia. Please dude, stop whinning like a girl and get out of this victim mentality. Inshallah, this will be all over soon and they can all go back home.

Re: # 81 Zeena...

hhhhmmmmmm........nice observation.

All throughout history pukhtoons have been portrayed as brave, big-hearted, kind, gentle, etc. conveniently ignoring their acts of treachery, laziness, corrupt, greedy, and of late women-beating, beheading etc. I think it is time to get the real picture.

And don't forget the anthrax attack which finally ended up as domestic terrorism by a US govt. Employee.

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Did you say not a single installation was targeted?
Here is the list:
from Wikipedia: # July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.
# December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp� for an abortion she had had there.
# September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.
# April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.
# May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[20]
# December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.
# January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness [22]rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.

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Re: # 74
hasho...
It is almost general agreement that, when you are treating musla terrorists, don't bring into HUMAN RIGHTS into consideration...these creatures are beyond recitification, so why value them as human...
Civil Society (specialy human righgts activists) will definitely raise hue and cry about all these TADA/Home Land Security Acts etc..., but after next allahooo kaboom, they will blame the administration for inaction...

I realy appreciate Bushes gitmo experiment...
After 2001, not a single US installation was targetted, where as India, entire europe have seen large number of islamic terrorism from 2001 to 2008...every country needs some gitmo...

Dems are back in the office; gitmo will be closed...we may see couple of allahoo kabooms in US installations accross the world...

Gitmo was the Hell, to avoid which musla terrosists even sacrificed arabic moon god's Heaven with 72 regular bathing virgins....

We need gitmos everywhere....

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Glen Greenwald:

"We're currently occupying two Muslim countries. We're killing civilians regularly (as usual) -- with airplanes and unmanned sky robots. We're imprisoning tens of thousands of Muslims with no trial, for years. Our government continues to insist that it has the power to abduct people -- virtually all Muslim -- ship them to Bagram, put them in cages, and keep them there indefinitely with no charges of any kind. We're denying our torture victims any ability to obtain justice for what was done to them by insisting that the way we tortured them is a "state secret" and that we need to "look to the future." We provide Israel with the arms and money used to do things like devastate Gaza. Independent of whether any or all of these policies are justifiable, the extent to which those actions "inflame anti-American sentiment" is impossible to overstate.

And now, the very same people who are doing all of that are claiming that they must suppress evidence of our government's abuse of detainees because to allow the evidence to be seen would "inflame anti-American sentiment." It's not hard to believe that releasing the photos would do so to some extent -- people generally consider it a bad thing to torture and brutally abuse helpless detainees -- but compared to everything else we're doing, the notion that releasing or concealing these photos would make an appreciable difference in terms of how we're perceived in the Muslim world is laughable on its face."

Hasho: The joke is that the taliban are running like rats, shaving off their beards, tossing aside their fancy masks, the first time they run into men armed with guns...as opposed to helpless captives or 17 year old girls...

The joke of the last week was the US claim that the Taliban used white Phosphorous in Afghanistan.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6269646.ece

Many in the media jumped on this nonsense from the Pentagon and the US army officers. If that was not enough two days ago one more US army officer denied using the WP. A little Google would reveal reports in NYT that confirm the use of White Phosphorous by the US army.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/world/asia/20ambush.html?_r=1&ref =world&pagewanted=all

Forget about the poor Pathan, they are being killed by everyone including those who proudly like to have pakhtoon last names on their kala kaloota thobra.

The new story is that now the CIA and the Democratic Party are up to their chins in another turf battle between the different sections of the US admin. The CIA directly attacked the second in line to be the President, Nancy Pelosi as being complicit in the torture decision. This is a replay of Joe Wilson story concocted and released by the CIA about the Yellow Cake and Non existence of WMD in Iraq, a story that doomed the Bush administration.

While that story was picking up steam, the Abu Gharib pictures came back in the news. The O admin, under threat from the Pentagon, backed out from its promise to release the remaining Abu Gharib pictures.

Originally, the Abu Gharib Pictures were released to demoralize the resistance in Iraq. There was no way those picture would have seen the light of the day, had someone higher up in the Pentagopn and Dick Cheney’s office not Okayed the release. The Pictures were released as leak, but is there anyone who bought that story? The pictures left the prison and then Iraq and finally were leaked from the Pentagon vault. What a joke that was.

Any American soldier or officer would piss in his pant multiple times before daring to leak those pictures w/o the explicit permission from the Pentagon.

Abu Ghraib pictures were a response to the Videos of beheadings in Iraq that were released on the Net to demoralize the US army. Abu Gharib pictures were the US response that backfired in a huge way after the Bush Admin was caught in a lie (leaked by the CIA) about the WMD, the Abu gharib pictures shamed all Americans and America lost any moral high ground it held after the beheading videos.

Now we are witnessing a stream of protests and condemnation by some outstanding Americans. Glen Greenwald has phenomenal posts about these issues for the last two consecutive days. Even Daily Kos, the unofficial mouthpiece of the Democratic Party, has gotten in to the act in roundly criticizing the O admin for acting like the Bush Admin.

In one week, the White Phosphorous, the torture leaks and the CIA vs. Nancy Pelosi and now the Abu ghraib pictures have shown successive US administrations are bereft of any humanitarian concerns.

The most civilized country in the world is not ready to commit one civilized act and own up the responsibility for the past misdeed.

I salute my fellow Americans that are rising up and demanding that the O administration behave in a responsible manner.


PS. In another story Gen. Petraeus
claimed that Al Qaeda No Longer Operating in Afghanistan
he said the terrorist group has suffered" very significant losses" in recent months, and agreed with Afghan President Hamid Karzai's recent assessment that there is no Al Qaeda based in his country.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/10/petraeus-al-qaeda-longer-operatin g-afghanistan/

What the F are you doing in Afghanistan then?

...and Guru, how is Kasab Bhayee?

Islam which divides people into Kafir and believer, pure and unpure, chosen and not-so chosen increases sense of "I" the ego. The Force, The surce of Conciousness leaves the place where ego exists. Baki gandus who talk a lot of Islam are the least spiritual and adharmic (behaving according to Natural law of Unity, Love and Justice) folks.

Few months back for most Baki gandus Kasab was a hero and a pure Talib.

Guru,
You should write a book - "Connecting All the Dots on a Blank Piece of Paper." :)

who is talib?

Was Mohammed a talib? Didn't he created armed legion to enslave and rule other folks? Did he also not learned and perfected the tricks of imperialism and exploitation of Romans by concocting a drug by mixing Allaha and Army? This he could afford to do because he was married to a rich old lady. Todays talibs are probably little better than him as they come from poor strata of the society. Granted both, todays Talib and Mohammed have probably same criminal, low consciousness.

How about our recent chikna Dracualla (MAJ)? Didn't he tried to convert whole of Kolkata into Khuni Chowk of Mingora for the locals ie, Hindus, in 1946 on Direct Action Day? This gandu was also rich and anglicized to rule other folks. Todays Molla Omar and Mehsud Talibs are much better human than this gandu.

nkg #67 {"If there is a mole of honesty left within Paki admin...they should divert fund, they have received from USA, starting fom the time of Russian - Afghanistan conflict to this region"}

nkg,
It's probably going to snow in Mumbai, because I do agree with you. In addition to investing in NWFP and improving the health, education, and infrastructure for the Pathans, there should be an end to the FATA nonsense. Either FATA is part of Pakistan or it is not.

Khyber #64 {"YOUR POST IS A REALITY OF 21IST CENTURY,thats what is needed in Pakistani society,unfortunately Pakistani elite used religion for their political gains and mullah always played as their pimp.I personally think that religious fanaticism was started in Pakistan,when AHMADIS were declared non-Muslims which was against the philosophy of Jinnah."}

Dear Khyber,
Yes, our moolas and their unreliable allies among the feudals, the army, and the elite class are the true enemies of Pakistan, its people, and Islam. These insidious and selfish people keep creating conditions of adversity from which it takes decades, if not generations, for our people to recuperate. Meanwhile, the creme de la creme enjoys the toppings. But let's remain hopeful, the people are getting wiser. First to fall was the army, next will be the moolas, then the real devils - the feudals and the bureaucrats.

Pathans are now in a stutation like that of Kurds...

Though it is very unfortunate, but you guys have not tried to compromise with Russians and Brits to get proper political identity....

This is amazing to see , how Pakistanis are reacting to this post.

These people never fought for Pakistan. So, what for Pakistan claims these territiry, in the first place...and then trying to use them to milk aid...and now see, they are trying to disown it....If there is a mole of honesty left within Paki admin...they should divert fund, they have received from USA, starting fom the time of Russian - Afghanistan conflict to this region....
Even now, Pakistan is minting money promishing killing of Pathans....

#63 {"hmm, so how many hours did it take you to recover from your "uncontrollable wrath" and start making bad puns about "fanny flogging", etc "}

111,
Why is it that you appear to be so interested in fanny flogging? Why don't you try kicking a Tally Ban in the beard?

Re: # 61..yes we can all Google....it was just a message for those who are living in denial.

Re: # 62...''Surely, our future actions will need to consider the importance of secularism, liberal education, restoration of Islam as a personal religion''....YOUR POST IS A REALITY OF 21IST CENTURY,thats what is needed in Pakistani society,unfortunately Pakistani elite used religion for their political gains and mullah always played as their pimp.I personally think that religious fanaticism was started in Pakistan,when AHMADIS were declared non-Muslims which was against the philosophy of Jinnah.

"When I watched those horrible videos of the terribly cruel Tally Ban murderers slicing the throats of fellow Pakistani civilians and captive soldiers, I too felt an uncontrollable wrath against beards, raised shalwars, black turbans, stupid Sharia, and even Pathan butchery."

hmm, so how many hours did it take you to recover from your "uncontrollable wrath" and start making bad puns about "fanny flogging", etc

I have known Zeena as an interactor on Chowk for several years. She comes across as a genuinely compassionate and immensely patriotic Pakistani, proud of her Pathan and Punjabi ancestry. Her emotional post is obviously motivated by sadness, anger, and extreme frustration.

When I watched those horrible videos of the terribly cruel Tally Ban murderers slicing the throats of fellow Pakistani civilians and captive soldiers, I too felt an uncontrollable wrath against beards, raised shalwars, black turbans, stupid Sharia, and even Pathan butchery. Then I realized that almost all the victims of this barbarity are Pathan themselves and the supporters, mentors, and "spiritual" guides of these "holy" bastards can be Punjabi, Mohajir, and Pathan. This realization restored my emotional balance and diminished my irrational moment of racist bias.

What is needed now is not finger pointing, not recrimination, and certainly not a divisive urge to label entire groups of Pakistanis as barbaric, cruel, or treasonous. The foremost matter is to stop this obvious rebellion by armed criminals and murderers. Despite our political leanings, we need to support the national army in suppressing and even destroying this murderous menace we call the Tally Ban. Once they have been disarmed and preferably destroyed, we can then examine, analyze, and rectify what caused this disease to run rampant in our country?

Surely, our future actions will need to consider the importance of secularism, liberal education, restoration of Islam as a personal religion and not a devouring monster ready to devour the last breath of life from the poor people of Pakistan. Inshallah, God will help us as we fight these devils that crop up among our people every odd century or so.

Sincerely,
Salim Ahmed Chauhan

khyber, post your own comments... we can all google here.

EDITORIAL: Politicking on refugees
DAILY TIMES

As the refugee problem intensified in Malakand Division after the military operation there, PMLN legislators in the National Assembly decided on Wednesday to criticise the government for not consulting parliament before launching the offensive. The answer from the PPP MNAs was that the government had no other option after the failure of the peace deal with the Taliban. Is this the beginning of a policy of isolating the government on a national issue of paramount importance for narrow party political ends?

A PMLN leader delivered a hard-hitting speech favouring the street rumour — and the line adopted by the opposition outside the parliament — that “the government had launched the military operation on the US dictate in order to earn dollars�. Surprisingly, the same leader, at a loss for a solution of his own, insisted that the government should still try “a negotiated settlement of the dispute�.

After that, a very dubious argument was deployed: “The government is trying to fool us. They sought the approval of the parliament for the Nizam-e Adl Regulation when it was not needed, but completely ignored it for the crucial decision of launching the military operation. The parliament has become irrelevant�. But the charge of naiveté on the part of Parliament is not sincere. The truth is that the refugee crisis after the military operation has created an opportunity for the policy of “isolate and oust�.

The PMLN is zeroing in — despite declarations of political piety by its leader Mr Nawaz Sharif. Why was an APC over the post-peace deal situation not called, he wants to know. The prime minister has already said that there was no time for it unless the unintended consequence was to give the Taliban time to consolidate further. However, he has promised to hold the APC now. But the objections have become more fundamental and hark back to the days of the lawyers’ movement and the slogan of “it’s not our war�.

“The Taliban issue has been mishandled. Our army cannot win this war. You (government) cannot win this war. If we continue on the way we are headed, this system will not survive,� said the PMLN leader at the National Assembly. Another said, “This operation will not reach a logical end because the government has zero credibility�. Yet another said the operation was a “drama� — “being staged to roll back Pakistan’s nuclear programme�.

All over the world, politicians go through this charade in times of crisis. In India, for example, after every flooding and displacement of its east coast populations, the opposition goes on the rampage. The only difference is that in Pakistan politicians aim at toppling the government before its tenure is completed. Popular opposition leaders burnish their popularity further by beginning to shine dangerously during crises. But this time it is not a natural calamity that threatens Pakistan, it is an alien terrorist presence that wants to oust democracy and replace it with despotism.

The media highlights the refugee problem, not to dishearten the public, but to spur the government to take a close look at its remediable derelictions. But unfortunately some anchors display an animus that is unworthy and disruptive of the national effort to stand behind our army as it battles with the terrorists and loses its precious manpower as casualties of war. Last time the media adjudged the state as a total failure in the face of the 2005 earthquake, the world turned around and praised the rescue and resettlement efforts made by it and quoted it as an example to the rest of the stricken states.

Pakistan is not fighting for American dollars, and no one is after its nuclear weapons; it is fighting the war of its survival beyond the point of “negotiating� with the terrorists. And the refugee problem is tough like all refugee problems anywhere else in the world. If the politicians stop undermining national unity at this stage, we are sure to win this war.

I just read the first sentence.... and got turned off....looks like ppl still like to blame their miseries on others rather than standing up and taking responsibility for their own pathetic lives and then changing them.

eleventy-one: what is so hard about tying shoelaces? all you have to do is take one lace and flip it over the other. then take the other shoelace, and flip it under..or is it over..hmmmmmmmm...damn..never could figure out the reef knot..

Re: # 56banjara286.I agree with your post but the need of the hour for entire pakistani nation is to be united against this monster Taliban and their ignorance,rest of your comment needs a REVOLUTION in Pakistan which can defeat Pakistani elite, bourgeious, feudal politicians and slaves of imperialists.

Re: # 55 khyber,
most pakistanis have never supported taliban outright as a genuine solution for any muslim society's problems. but the difficulty with a lot of people (like urself perhaps) is that u want the whole country to unite on the single goal of destroying them at any cost while shutting their eyes to all other ills which has hopelessly seeped into the very bonees of our elitist society (especially the "brave" armed forces of Pakistan).

now if all this liberal crowd had an ounce of brains and actually tried listening for a change to what many voices in the nation have been trying to say for a long time (instead of endlessly blabbering on and on all the time) they would realize that the unqualified support that they r looking for ain't coming as long as Pakistan remains part of the gwot and the begging bowls of its ball-less leaders (military included) remain perenially outstrecthed towards anyone willing to throw in a few nickles and dimes while loudly barking out an endless list of ridiculous demands.

the taliban need to be defeated no doubt; but that requires a people with the character and the will of to defeat them.
and the begging crowd, drooling with slogans of "hal min mazeed" is never going to have that character.

in a recent effort to help the idp's in the north, our noble souls on chowk couldn't put together a measly two thousand dollars. and this kachra wants to prevail over people who don't give a second thought to laying down their lives, whether we agree with their reasons or not.

good luck sir. u r gonna need it.

article from the frontier post......
The final solution
Malik Haroon Rashid
It took many years for the government and its majority people to realise what the Americans and the rest of the world had been telling us for so long: that Taliban are agents of destruction, obscurantism and barbarism and that their adventures in the name of Islam will take Pakistan to brink of disaster. Now glorification of the Taliban as holy fighters of Islam among the common people has come to its near end and Taliban stand totally unmasked. Mainstream political parties have reached almost a consensus over the Taliban question. Religious parties and Islamic scholars have distanced themselves from Taliban version of Islam. Punjab and its leadership after having tasted Taliban terrorism has come to its senses and unlike past is showing some sense in their public statements. But there are some differing voices; there are still pockets across the country where Taliban are still considered as the flag-bearers of Islam. Some political and religious leaders, certain educated, influential people, few former civil and military personnel retain a soft corner for the Taliban, provide them moral, monetary support and speak on their behalf on public platform. Overall situation in the country is quite grim, tribal areas are infested with armed, dedicated Taliban. Even in the sprawling urban jungle of Pakistan Taliban and al-Qaeda have their safe heaven, hidden from the eyes of Pakistan security services. But still the general awakening as to true nature of Taliban is an encouraging sign. Let us now at this moment of time destroy the Taliban, for if we don’t, they will destroy us with whatever we have achieved in the last 62 years. If past is any guide then we should learn there can be no negations with the Taliban, we cannot meet them half ways. There exist no moderate Taliban. We have tested all available options. We saw the futility of engaging them in dialogue. We lay prostrate and pandered to their all extravagant demands in the hope that the Taliban will lay down their weapons and areas under their control will see peace. We saw people in Malakand division and Swat firing guns in the air and distributing sweats at the signing of peace deal between the government and Taliban, only to see later their women’s head shaven and their girls flogged publicly. We hoped the Taliban will lay down their weapons but they only hid their lethal weapons from public sight and gave us a sham peace. Then by stealth and deceit, like Milton’s Satan, they moved to neighbouring regions of Buner and lower Dir, began to seduce region’s young one, held its majority people at gunpoint and started enforcing their harsh version of Islam. It is the roughness, and crudity of Taliban mind, which is the real problem. This roughness might have gone unnoticed in the uncivilized, barbaric part of human history, but in the 21st century it only evolves loathing and revulsion. And more tragically Taliban commits their acts of barbarism in the name of Islam, which gives Islam a very bad name in the rest of the world. It is not Islam but a dangerous, lethal ideology, which is the driving passion of Taliban. Only and only after the skull embodying this dangerous ideology is blown up, our country will see lasting peace. There is no other choice. This is the final solution Now the peace deal stands scrapped to all intent and purposes. The Taliban have come out into the open in Malakand Division again, destroying all of government infrastructure, looting and plundering banks, beheading people, using them as human shields. In addition to fighting, the only other skill Taliban know is the skill to destroy. Destroying everything made by state of Pakistan gives Taliban a sadistic pleasure; after all present set up in Pakistan is based on Kufr as their spiritual mentor Maulana Sufi Mohammad stated in a speech. It is ironic that a puny figure like Maulana Sufi whom nobody would ever like to engage in serious discussion gained such a countrywide media attention and assumed such a large stature. This is only because his backers have big guns, and wiled power surpassing that of the state. A question was asked in a TV programme as to why Pashtuns, who believe in revenging upon people who do them wrong, don’t take up arms against the Taliban? It is after all the Taliban who have killed people’s dear one’s, looted their property, have them publicly insulted and had them driven out of their homes. The answer is the Taliban exercise unmatched power and use tactics unwarranted by traditional Pashtun code. If locals decide to hold Jirga to fight them, then Taliban send their suicide bombers, hundreds of tribal elders have been killed thus. After this locals submit and put up no resistance. So traditional Pashtun warlike spirit and their tradition of exacting revenge upon the enemy has basically failed to meet the threat of Taliban. So in this dire and critical condition only Pakistan army has the potential and power to crush and defeat Taliban and rescue Pashtuns, their land and Pakistan. To safely bring the country out of these crises we must own facts and should have a firm grip over the reality. Hold over reality and facts are the exclusive reserve of those who stare reality in the face and are not swayed by cheap emotions. Leaders like Imran khan, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Maulana Fazlur Rahman and some other religious and political figures cannott have a true assessment of the terrible condition in the country. Their opposition to military option and their advocacy of dialogue with the militants is an empty rhetoric totally divorced from the ground realities We shouldn’t care what these dissenting voices say, for their aim is personal at the cost of the country and its vital interests, although they very much claim otherwise. They serve their own vested interests, not truth. If needed during this serious crises and emergency normal political, judicial and civil rights of Taliban, other militants and their sympathizers may be held in suspension. Even a democratic country like US forcibly relocated and interned nearly 110.000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to “war relocations camps�. If there are people who differ with us in this effort of rooting out this militancy, and their difference only hamper war effort, then they should be silenced by force. Their cheap emotionalism will mislead general public and benefit the extremists. Pakistan needs to be cleansed up of extremists, not only in Swat but the whole tribal belt and the rest of the country. After Swat operation is successfully over, an invasion on Waziristan should follow, in those formidable mountains are hiding the assassins of Benazir Bhutto and the masterminds of various other suicide and terrorist missions against the state and security forces of Pakistan. This looks the most difficult part of the whole effort, but without it the problem of terrorism wouldn’t be resolved. Next in line should be a massive crackdown backed by all intelligence and security forces against the militants and their supporters in rest of the country. Those who survive the military action should be rounded up. We don’t have a Guantanamo Bay, so we should lease a rocky, deserted island in the Pacific oceans where these militants and their supporters should be relocated to serve their sentence. The Taliban, and other militant outfits come from us. They are our blood, and with them we are bound by the bonds of race, language, and religion. But they forsook the very ideals for which this country was founded and instead embraced a blood-soaked, dangerous ideology, which only sowed seeds of chaos and instability in the country. And most importantly they callously imposed their strange version of Islam on helpless people, not realising that attempt to impose their kind of Sharia and their confrontation with Pakistan military will only spell disaster for common people. Taliban’s crime against the state of Pakistan and its people are now unforgivable. We have let them live much long, in misplaced hope they will reform themselves. Now they will have to go down in bloody purge in this Final Solution. Only then Pakistan will rise up again.

#54
well, before reading ghost wars, an easier way for her to improve her political understanding would just be learning to tie her shoelaces

ZEENA , READ THESE FOLLOWING BOOKS AND FIGURE OUT WHO CREATED TALIBAN AND THE MESS IN PUKTUN'S LAND.
GHOST WARS- BY STEVE COLL
CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR -BY GEORGE CRILL

Zeena,

You should be ashamed for writing your crappy, repugnant posts about Pathans…at the onset you say that you have Pathan blood in your veins, which under the circumstances one ought to take with more than a pinch of salt….because immediately after you start spewing hateful, myopic, and spurious vitriol and try to pull out utter fabrications from the top of your hat. Ok if you level all those hateful accusations at Pashtuns and consider them to be hateful boors, tell me us as to which region of Pakistan is a shining epitome of a center of great culture and great civilization? Even you as an example fail miserably, because of your bigotry and your lack of proper comprehension of grammar and language…such hate, such jealousy and such bigotry as you have festering inside you has already seen shameful deeds being committed by shameful people in 1971 in Bengal…by people like yourself… however you must keep in mind that probably the only good thing about Pakistan and indeed about all of the sub-continent’s history is Pashtun…open your eyes and your mind….some of the sub-continent’s greatest conquerors , artistes, writers, actors, thinkers, educationists, sportsmen, leaders have been Pathans. I don’t know which borrow you have been dreaming in, but Pakhtun regions were the most secular and most democratic in all of Pakistan not too long ago, but then the likes of you kept labeling them as friends of India and thus traitors…the talbans and the ridiculous religiosity that they brought along was hoisted upon the Pakhtuns by the likes of you (and the yanks), to accomplish their ends to defeat the Russians…the talibs have nothing to do with Pathans and Pashtuns and their culture…they are Punjabi or Arab or Uzbek …alien…as for notoriety in the field of buggery, there was a Punjabi man in Lahore who used to entice young boys to his house, would drug them, sodomize them, kill them, and then he would try to dispose of their bodies in acid…it was a notorious case in the news, and the man was eventually caught after he’d done away with about a hundred boys . I presume the criminal was eventually hanged!

Paki Chowkies doing chowka (washing dirty linen) on the Chowk ?

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TrichMir sahib,

I guess every distinguished Pakistani has some Pathan blood, no?

Regards

Zeena,

Great posts! You have every right to say whatever you want to say against Pashtuns because your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was allegedly a pathan. And I do agree with every single word you said about Pathans. these coward, lazy and shameless barbarians (I have read this word somewhere on this site recently) don't deserve to be called Pakis, and don't forget Balochs who are equally shameless and coward.

If you really want to save Punjab and Karachi which are the epitome of civilized society and where every single children get "universal western education", Pakis should get rid of these barbarians as soon as possible. So, to save Pakistan from these barbarians please join me in saying,

azaad Pshtunkhwa zindabaad
az makran ta dgkhan, azaad balochestan azaad balochestan.

Pakhtuns are a stupid lot. Pukhtunkhwa should be detached from Pakistan and made a seperate state where they can destroy themselves.

Hitman

Paki is no slur,it's assumed a slur cause for some reason our bros and sisters started getting sensative to this short word!!!and the west,if they know something they did made you scratch,they will make you scratch more!!!

you will not believe how many indians are called paki cause we are brown and goras cannot tell the difference!!!most people in uae think I am a keralite and talks in malayalam with me,good thing I learned it as well!!! the way malayalis are spreading, malayalam will pass english soon !!!!

but in france they call us pakoz,in uae they don't say pakistani,they either say "bunjabi" or if you are white they assume you are "bataan" (pathan),they think only 2 cast reside in pakistan.

and (with respect) they haven't spared indians as well,common words are,

Mallu,Kali-Mata,dhoti chaap,bubble head,rice muncher,chai wala,grocery wala.

I see everyone is busy rubbing on the face of pathans, but failed to see the reasons behind it.for years no development has been done in those areas,socially/morally/ ethically.in the absence of it all "nonsense" will thrive definitly and when you are taught nonsense you will practice the same as well.

our company driver is a pathan from bunair,he is a shia by cast and he curse everyone who is not a shia, he keeps telling me "mera baat suno shah g !!! jo shia nahi hay wo musalman nahi hay allah qasam, musalman nahi hay to maro phir kia masla hay yara !!!", I am like "kis nay bola anwar ali?" and he says "hamra jo alim hay gaon ma wo bolta hay, aur roz bolta hay wo namaz k baad".

in presence of light, darkness prevails.

I met a taxi driver once who had not been to pakistan in 3 years and I asked him why not? he told me that he is from mengora and his cousin has joined the talibans,every evening he comes with fellows loaded with guns and shouts outside my home and tells my mother that next time wali khan is back from dubai,tell him to keep a beard and join talibans or i will kill him personaly,cause talibans are the only muslims left in this world.

see the irony here? they are getting brain washed cause all the cave-men stuff they are being taught,how do you expect them to rise as modern cult? they beat women cause someone is twisting quranic verses to them and tells them that no matter what she must obey you !!! same like they twist the word jihad and authority to kill from "surah-e-tauba", same goes for sodomy,someone must have told them it's legal!!!same goes thier family planning as well cause they mistake quranic verses again with regard to expanding your family.they do not go to school but they do go to mulla everyday.and these mullas are local product bred to do nothing but create chaos.

The pathans who have become educated are totally different from the above.

if you look at the progress,you can only see couple of cities let alone the provinces.karachi/peshawar/islamabad lahore & multan are thriving and that is all you can see, rest are just getting along.

an open example everyone knows, natural gas comes from sui,but they do not have access to it cause it all goes to punjab and vice versa. how would you feel if u grow your crop and when its ready i come and take it while you starve.

they have been cut out from everything for decades and we expect them to be sober? poor planning and neglegance towards those areas and the result is the product you see.

improve thier living standard, develop thier lands and you will see change but till then, stop bragging & fix those bolts in your head.

Zeenaji,

Welcome back. As usual you bring a fresh perspective to the burning issues of the day.

We in India have a somewhat different image of Pathans, though. They are supposed to be hardworking enterprising people with tremendous courage, sense of honour and sense of loyalty to friends. But ferocious, unrelenting enemies if wounded.

Yeah we have heard about their penchant for buggery but if that is done with mutual consent dont see why we shud hold it against them.

Regards

Pathans and their chivalry....LOL
in full force....

Even God won't help them,if, they won't help themselves.

But, trust me nobody will come to help those healthy pathans who don't wish to help themselves.

They should stop begging from USA and the rest of the Pakistanies and stop acting like handicapped.

I helped earthquake victims whole heartedly because that was not self created, that was natural disaster.

But, this swat mess is self created and been brought upon themselves. and they're acting like jerks and I have no sympathy for them for wellcoming talibans ....


and stop blaming USA.....USA has done no harm to these pathans, period.

Mr. Farhad,
There is no bigger virtue than maintaining peace, even during tough times. I am sure , you guys are good enough to follow it. If you feel US is attacking your people for no reason, let it be. Please don't react. It is extreamly difficilt, not to react. But, if you can manage that, then you will win sometime, and that will end any hostility. It is very easy to preach...but...( like Homeopathic treatment to chronic ailments)....

Re: # 38
well, my truth is crap, b/c it is bitter.
Anyway, I agree with your crap as well.

I have absolutely NO sympathies for Pak army as well.
Pakistan has become a mess because of Pak army and Pakistanies virtues.

They wished to have Islam, so they got Islam in the form of Talibans...LOL
So, why cry now?
regards

Zeena(h)...

Phooos....there should be some limit of writing crap...

Jinnah, the farter of Pakistani nation, never bothered to discuss with Patel/Nehru about the fate of Kashmir.

Such a honorable man he was, he used these disgraced people to invade Kashmir valley to capture it...
Fortunately,these disgraced people have accomplished their mission.

When Pakistni armed foces were given duty to wrest, rest of Kashmir, they screwed up everything and even lost 1/2 of Pakistan.....

So, these pathans are disgraceful and these brave Pakistanis, whose only achievement in BD was killing, raping and plundering, brought honor to Pakistan.....


All the US aid Pakistani govt. begging for,in the name of eleminating Taliban brings honor to Pakistan....

Those students dumped from UK to Pakistan are honorable Pakistanis....


BTW, why these honorable Pakistanis short name Paki is treated as "slur" in UK?

Any explanation?

Sir
I know very well that Talibans are the creation of Pak army.
If, you remember, I always have had been roaring out loud about the creation of Talibans for so many years.

Anyway, I am talking about this Swat mess , not the creation of talibans. And also I am talking about Pathans and their shameless virtues.

They call themselves brave and dignified race. Sorry, they are beggars who are lazy and psychos.

Yes, pathans are the lauging matter for the rest of the world. They feel pride in begging. They do drugs, cultivate them and then beat their women. And then they call themselves as civils.

They have wellcomed talibans for bringing sharia:D
They got their sharia, why are they crying crocodile tears?

Dear writer
I absolutely disagree with your views about Pathans. Mind it I am also Pathan from my paternal side.

First of all who created this mess among Pathans?
No one but Pathans.

How Pathans got themselves in to this taliban mess?
This mess is brought on to them by no one but by themselves.

Pathans have proved themselves shameless, cowards, barbarics, lazy with no dignity and with no self respect what so ever is left.

They are begging in front of USA and others to help them because they don't have any food and shelter.

They are healthy lazy individuals who have become dozens and dozens of kid producing factories without even giving it any thought that how are they going to raise these kids?

They are absolutely healthy men and women who are acting as ,if, they are handicapped and are unable to work hard for their living and instead, they come on Pakistani TVs and beg for help.

They are those brutal animals who just sleep and eat and produce dozens of kids with no future planning and then they pretend to be miserable, just to gain sympathies to get more help....

Yes, I must say that they are beggars.
They have proved themselves everything but brave, everything but fighters, everything but dignified.

They love to beat their women, they love to sell their women and then commit sodomy with pride.

They are hypocrites to the height. They have double standards, they advertise themselves as the biggest champions of Islam and exhibit opposite virtues.

They feel pride to oppress their own women and let their women beg wearing burqas.....

They are worms and Parasites who need to be either eradicated or educated to be humans. They are far away from being civil.

They helped Talibans, invited them in their homes and now they are begging USA to help them.
They wanted Islam/Sharia and Talibans gave them what they wished for.....LOL

What a disgrace these pathans are for all Pakistanis.

Re: # 34....what this fool Imran Khan is thinking now. Imran K brain is fried,he cant think ne more.

Khyber #32 agreed that while it was a good gesture on the part of Nawaz Sharif, his party has been less than satisfactory on the Swat issue. I think after gaining in popularity after its correct stand on the Supreme Court issue, the PMLN has foolishly decided to take this popularity for granted.

PS: It would be interesting to see what this fool Imran Khan is thinking now.

This moron in #31 who says "Swat will rise again"- didn't give a damn about that area and its poverty before the U.S. got interested in it for their farcical GWOT. Now a massive propaganda effort is in place to build up the Pakistan Army (a hated institution in Pakistan) by showing gruesome videos of beheadings and what not. Don't think that these opportunistic uses of 'humanity' that the pakistan army lacks will convince those who know the massive damage to the nation this army has done, more so than this taliban BS going on thousands of times over. This crap only fools the dimwits and the sellouts (like tahmed) who realize well that every U.S. missile fired in this 'game' and all the fuel wasted in flying those mosquitoes and second hand f-16s can provide three times square meals for tens of thousands of needy Pakistanis- that should be the PRIORITY of the government of Pakistan not this crap that is going on...

posting on behalf of masadi sahib
CWM2

#24 Posted by tahmed32...it was of course nice gesture of NAWAZ SHARIF visiting IDP camps,but I think his party men are not on same page with him,DAWN.COM IS JUST REPORTING THIS.....Which is disturbing,i am gettin tired of these guys repeating again for talkin to those thugs.
ISLAMABAD: Questions were raised in the National Assembly on Wednesday about the army operation in Swat and Malakand districts and a Pakistan Muslim League-N lawmaker warned of a severe turmoil in the country if immediate remedial measures were not taken.

In a departure from the sentiments expressed in the house in previous days, Khawaja Saad Rafiq said that a majority of MNAs would like to keep away from the proceedings of the house because they felt it has turned into a debating club rather than a sovereign body which should take major national decisions.

They felt that the policies pursued by Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf remained basically unchanged. He said that while the US and UK urged Sri Lanka to stop military offensive against Tamil rebels they expected Pakistan to ‘do more’ if they wanted to get more dollars.

He said: ‘No doubt, Taliban’s understanding of Islam and their fanatic ideas about imposition of Islam are not acceptable to any Pakistani and their negative attitude is putting Pakistan on the defensive.’


http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn /news/pakistan/12-eyebrows-raised-over-swat-action--bi-09

Khyber: Well said. As for Mullah Diesel and Co,, here is one solution this Swati gentleman (in the letter published in the News today that I have posted below) has for Mullah Diesel and his kind (see in bold letters at the end).

btw, I disagree with the letter writer when he says "Swat will never be the same". Inshallah, Swat will rise again - as the most beautiful part of Pakistan, its peaceful people secure and prosperous. Ameen.


Thursday, May 14, 2009
My beloved Swat, once known as paradise on earth and Switzerland of the East, is now fighting for life. We have become homeless in our own homeland. The sights of small children and aged persons, walking barefooted to safety and a toddler, fast asleep in a camp with blisters on his feet and flies on his rosy cheeks are really heartbreaking. I salute the general public for having welcomed the IDPs with open arms and vacating their own houses so that the traumatised people could get some comfort. On the other hand 'Maulana Diesel' has the cheek to walk out of the assembly for not having been consulted on the operation. Does he think that the government should have continued to let the people get killed till His Majesty was back from his trip abroad? And where is Asfandyar Wali, the great champion of Pakhtun causes? Probably cooling his heels off in a foreign country while the people who voted him to power are stranded in sweltering heat with no shelter, no water, no food, no nothing.

I know Swat will never be like what it was but I have no doubt that given a chance, its people will throw the likes of Fazlur Rehman and Asfandyar Wali into the Arabian Sea.

Wng cdr (r) Bahre Kamal

Peshawar

The poisonous propaganda pursued as usual by the leadership of Jamaat-e- Islami against the ongoing military operation, for the elimination of extremists, in Swat is highly deplorable. The nation has not yet forgotten the role of 'al-Shams' and 'al-Badar' the hierarchical killing squads of the Jamaat-e-Islami in the then East Pakistan. Were Bengalis not Muslims or less Muslims than us? Why the Jamaat-e-Islami along with other religious bands did fight the war of American capitalism against Red Army of SOVIET UNION and called it Jihad? How can you go on Jihad with Lucifer or its followers? This intervention in collaboration with the Jamaat-e-Islami and the likeminded elements laid ground for the infrastructure of today's extremism and its entire related nuisance. We as a nation must demonstrate our unity, faith and discipline by supporting our brave soldiers who are out to defend the ideological and geographical boundaries of Pakistan against the scourge of "extremism" which is totally disowned, discouraged rather banned in Islam.

http://thepathans.blogspot.com/

and interestingly there's a website

www.islamabadobserver.com

showing beheading of Pakistani Regular Soldiers!

Hypocrites of Jammat islami,are criticizing Army action against criminals,thugs,fanatics and Imran Khan has ofcorse joined them too,these hpocrites of religious parties and failed politicain imran khan for gets that, these criminals are destroying entire Pakistan,Why the JI and other religious outfits are silent and don’t take out processions and condemn these horrible acts and actors? pashtuns know, by birth, how to handle a gun so these extremists shouldn’t play with our patience, tables can be turned and the peaceful pashtun majority can be transformed into full scale lava of revenge. hope this time our security forces finish their job and let no “extremist� live and breathe on our sacred soil…!





http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Pashtun experience of the last 30 years tells us that the firepower, muscle and sentiments of a people could be used for the interests of others resulting in self-destruction. A modern state that represents the people can envisage the collective future and lead them to a path of prosperity and peace. Pashtuns were merging into the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan. We have seen poets, politicians and educationist of repute emerge. State building has been the problem in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Democracy has faced challenge from traditional power structures, an over-stretching ambitious military and foreign intervention. At this point, we have the world's strongest military stationed in Afghanistan to conduct an operation against those who carried out acts of terror in New York and London. There is war but there is a chance to use the attention of global powers into neutralising the indigenous threats to the people, democracy, modern state and progress. The elite will like to make out with the hefty amounts of aid but it is up to the people to make sure that community building, state-building and democracy stays on top of the re-building agenda. Use of media to advance political cause of the people could play an important role. But a cool-headed analysis and investigation and a realistic/scientific laying out of objectives and priorities is vital. Education is not a choice anymore. It is the only way to survival. We do not have a state or political parties that could be honest representatives, so it falls on the shoulders of the educated few, individuals who feel for the misery of their people.

Writing my opinion cannot change anything but I can atleast try to put some sense into you

Pakistan is one nation formed on TWO NATION THEORY, and even above that we are muslims. No one is going to ask you in the after life if u were a pushtun.

The way you are trying to incite people is insane, do not provoke anyone, if at all anything happens because of your actions, you will be held responsible by God.

Your statement that pushtuns can only perish or make the other perish and others like that are absurd, this is not what God wants.

Mr. Farhad,
The people living in north of your people ( Pakhtunistan) got moral, technial etc. etc. from Russia...People living south of Pakhtunistan are those who received massive technical and infrastructural boost during British rule and indic influence.....I can see successful beduinisation of people living in south of you guys...and if US stops aiding Pakistanis and take away nuke weapon, it will be field day for you guys for sure....

Khyber #20 Afsandyar Wali Khan and Zardari both seem to be on summer vaction in Europe while the people they claim to represent are undergoing a calamity.

On the other hand, the PMLN leadership is all in Pakistan, and in fact Nawaz Sharif is the only major political figure to have actually visited the IDP camps. And MQM has redeemed itself for its anti-Pakistan actions of May 12 by standing up for Pakistan at this time of need. And many in ANP seem connected as well.

So - there is hope yet that Pakistan will come out of this calamity with those harping on ethnicity or "Islam" being exposed as frauds.

Fixing the Taliban problem is tied to Pakistan. With the Taliban deeply entrenched in tribal areas, this is going to be a long war. But for its own survival and stability, Pakistan must defeat the Taliban,its time to kill Taliban leadership,no more arrests etc..just kill them including thug she-mullah in burqa of lal masjid.

They say that a mistake made once is a mistake. Mistake made twice is a coincidence and a mistake made thrice is a habit. The government of Pakistan has made deals with the Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-e-Muhammadi chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad two times before and both times the TNSM broke the deal and started fighting again. The government gave TNSM and the Taliban of Swat a chance for peace by accepting their deal and enforcing their law in Swat. But the TNSM and the Swat Taliban went against their deal by invading Buner district. Breaking the deal the third time just shows that the TNSM and the Swat Taliban are not interested in peace. The government and Army should not discuss any thing more with the TNSM except their total surrender. I would also like to ask the media to stop publishing statement of the TNSM and their chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad in the newspapers anymore. These people should be considered enemies of the state and nothing related to them should be published or shown in the media of Pakistan.

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Taliban should cease to be amongst us now or in the future is accepted by all sane thinking people of Pakistan, living in Pakistan or outside. Wiping the Taliban is unavoidable if Pakistan is to survive. Non-combatant casualties are inevitable. When the World War II was going on from 1939, Germany invaded Russia in 1941. By 1945, the victorious Russian troops were in Berlin. During this period, 27 million Russian soldiers and civilians lost their lives—--a sacrifice which has resulted in a reinvigorated Russia. If sacrifices are to be made by us, we must be ready for them.

Re: # 10..tahmed32...so called champion of pukhtun rights ASFAND WALI is not in pakistan at this moment of critical time,so is other leadership from PML-N/Q..etc..what that tells u ?how much they care about people of Pakistan,they signed a deal with fanatic Taliban just to save their lives,non of these so called politicians said anything when these fanatics were burning schools,banning girls from going to schools,Talibans are ignorant religious fanatics,thugs and criminals.

The only good Punjabi ia a dead Punjabi

What happened? Are Punjabis, Mohajirs, Pushtuns and Baloch not Pakis and more importantly, Muslims? When Jinnah envisioned a homeland for the subcontinent's Muslims, he meant a land where the wily Hindu will not dominate and oppress the innocent Muslim and where Muslims from all ethnicities would live with each other harmoniously without the soodkhor Hindu to keep them down. Then how come today, you guys are fighting each other to death?

I know I know you guys will now tell us how when faced with an enemy, all of you will unite. But that is true for almost every country on the earth.

So, does this at least drive some sense into your heads that religion can never be the binding factor?

Truly mian,

We must totally boycott all fouji families; their children... etc

That is a good suggestion. But this treatment must be reserved only for the top brass not the Johny.

Regards

WHAT HAS PUNJAB GOTTA DO WITH IT?

Everything.

Lets forget about Taliban for a second. Lets assume that they are nothing but crazy religious nuts who are mental cases ,hell bent on destroying the civilization. Lets assume that they have a bad religion that compels them to do inhuman things and what not. But then the question is, what is wrong with them secular Balochs. Why are they fighting our mercenary fouj? We must also ask the question why when a little over a month ago when three Baloch leaders were killed allegedly by Pakistani secret service agents or American mercenaries to avenge the kidnapping of an American UN agent, the Baloch people turned against Punjabi population? Since the time those murders took place, thousands of Punjabi families have been attacked, their businesses destroyed and family members killed by Baloch zealots. One must ask the question why Punjabis?

Similarly, when Benazir was killed the Sindhi people turned against Punjabi population. There were close to 60 trains that were set ablaze in Sindh during that anarchy, but before every train was set on fire the Punjabi travelers were sorted out carefully; their women were raped in front of their men who were later killed. There were tens of cases when buses were stopped with in Sindh, and Punjabis were sorted out and meted out the same atrocity. Mind you these Punjabis living in sindh are not a new phenomenon. Majority of them have lived there for close to hundred years now. Ironically, it was GM Syed who went to what is East Punjab now and coerced Muslim peasants to come to sindh and turn jungles and deserts into agriculture lands.

In urban sindh, during the 8 year civil war of 80s and 90s Punjabis were the most blatantly targeted group by MQM terrorists. As compared to Pathans, Punjabis are/were geographically dispersed in Karachi. Their business were set ablaze and after they fled their homes their properties were practically occupied by MQM terrorist who forced Punjabis to sell them literally for pennies. The question is why Punjabis?

Another sad and most under reported event is the atrocities committed by Bengalis on the Punjabis in East Pakistan. I do not want to get into the debate of who started it and what fouj did to Bengalis, I am talking about ordinary Punjabi civilians who were living in EP for business and employment. The viciousness of atrocities committed to Punjabis in particular and any light skinned people in general would put Neanderthals to shame. Thousands were perished, raped, and tortured including my family members. The question is again, why Punjabis?

If one looks at these shameful chapters in our history one would find that the common denominator in all these cases is our ruthless, vicious, and criminal fouj. What was the problem in Baluchistan? Nothing but Balouch wanted justice for a rape victim who was raped by army personnel and fouj took it upon itself to protect the criminals. Today everything that is wrong in Pakistan is because of this lawless entity that is called fouj.

As callous it may sound but it is a fact that Punjabis deserved all those atrocities that are done to them. It was Punjab’s burden to put a leash to these vicious dogs who commit atrocities to minorities in our name. Have we ever tried to ask a fouji relative of ours , as to the reason for his crimes against humanity and this nation – from gang raping our constitution to indiscriminate killing of Pakistani citizens for money and for power? Has a Punjabi ever dare ask these madarchods how come close to 2 million Pakistanis have been made refugee in their own country – and that is just for fukking 2 billion dollars? Have we ever asked our neighbor fouji as to why close to 16000 Pakistanis have disappeared from the face of earth, overwhelming majority of whom are Balochis?

Look, as Punjabis and as human beings it is our responsibility to stop this malignant tumor called fouj from spreading its malignancy any further. As Punjabis the burden of leadership is upon us to protect our neighbors and our fellow citizens from the criminality of these mercenaries. Even a moron knows that the situation in FATA and Swat has become irreversible. The atrocities committed by harami fouj are akin to those committed by Serbs against Bosnians and Croats. These are war crimes, plain and simple which this harami fouj is committing in our name for 2 billion dollars. There are close to 500 elected members in different assemblies today who belong to Punjab. Why can’t a single Punjabi rep. speak out against these atrocities?
It is a time for a massive social movement in Punjab against this fouj which has brought to us disaster after disaster and nothing else. We must totally boycott all fouji families; their children must be ridiculed; and we must cut ties with our relatives who have any relationship with this criminal enterprise. Shopkeepers must stop selling to them; mosques must refuse their entry; and teachers must refuse to teach their children. The time to act is now. It is now or never. Pakistan is not likely to survive this time.

Khyber #8,
You may have valid points in all the blame against Russians, Americans, ISI, Zia, Soodis, and the rest. The fact remains that the most bitter enemies of the Tally Ban were the Northern Alliance comprised of Tajiks, Uzbeks, and even Hazaras. So, while one can say that the Tally Ban are the result of the American sponsored, Soodi-financed, ISI-planned Jihad against the Russians, the fact remains that almost half of the non-Pakhtun elements did not go along with the AL Kayda and did not mutilate into the Taliban.

{"Pukhtoon needs to wake up and fight against every one who is taking this great nation for a ride. Be that the Talibaan or MQM. We must stand up and fight! It’s not late to go back to our basic tribal ways as “Hum tou doobain gay sanam… Pur… tum ko bhee lay doobaain gay!"}

Farhad Sahib,
From my own experience, I have learned that generalizing about human beings is bound to result in disappointment and fallacy. Whether we lump people in racial, linguistic, provincial, religious, or even municipal terms, we are asking for trouble. Pakhtoons are a linguistic group and vary as much among themselves as Punjabis, Sindhis, and Mohajirs. Your comment about the unfortunate, illegal, and murderous killing of innocent Pakhtoons in Karachi is valid and the MQM has not only shame, but blood on its hands and on its face. As a Mohajir, with both Urdu-speaking and Pashto-speaking Pathans for relatives, I am saddened by yet another attempt by our enemies to exploit ethnic rivalries to damage Pakistan. Pathans are my brothers and sisters - just like Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis, and Kashmiris. A dead Pathan is a dead Pakistani and a weaker and sadder Pakistan. The current offensive in Swat and the prior butchery in Swat by the Talibans have torn me apart from the inside. All I can say about the too little too late action in Swat is that I hope it is swift, successful, and permanent. The Taliban are the enemies of Pakistan, Islam, and mankind - especially womankind.

But you cannot go on blaming others for the demise of the Pakhtoons. Taking on an anti-Pakistan stance from the beginning, flirting with Communism and the Soviet Union, being friends with India only to antagonize Pakistan, and then using Pakistan and Pakistanis as a base for the hit and run guerilla war against the Russians were all actions for which some Pakhtoons need to take responsibility. Wasn't Afghanistan one of the few nations to oppose Pakistan's membership in the UN?

Granted that the Russians, Americans, ISI, and the Soodis have all used Pakhtoons for their own selfish interests, but isn't there any responsibility on the part of the victims to recognize hypocrisy, stupidity, exploitation, and self-interest?

Farhad, please explain to me what is so Pakhtoon about slitting throats, beheading people, flogging women, persecuting minorities, and doing everything possible to defame Islam as an institution. Making videos and then publicizing macabre acts of deprivation and cruelty are something that our enemies would do - not the so-called "warriors of Islam."

If Pakhtoons really love their own people, if Pakhtoons are truly Pakistani, then you must:

Stop using force and violence to settle matters
Stop misusing the name of Islam to commit cruelty
Stop suppressing women - even (or especially) Pakhtoon women
Stop this FATA nonsense - either you are in Pakistan or not in Pakistan
Stop blaming others for the stupidity of Pakhtoon leaders - like Moola Fadloola, Moola Bait Loola, and other sadistic bastards
Stop using suicide bombers to terrorize Pathans, other Pakistanis, and the world
Stop hosting international terrorists and murderers like Osama Bin Laden, Zawahairy, and the assortment of Uzbek, Chehen, and Arab "Knights Templars"

Farhad, the best course is education, secular yet Islamic spirituality at the individual level, emancipation of women, and fairness for all. Inshallah, if we escape "Islamic" extremism, the normal course of human interaction will make us one people within a few more generations.

Salim Ahmed Chauhan

Re: # 3
I am sick of Mohajir Bashing, among others, time to stop identifying ourselves by regional & lingual ethnicity.
All this adds up to, Pakistan & Pakistani bashing which is nothing to take pride in.

Yawn .. completely innocent .. like innocent little babies at the hands of the evil punjabis... not a thought in their heads .. not a dollar in their pockets.. Oh no.. only brave and eccentric tribesman driven by their honour and principles .. just poor misfortunate victims of circumstances who couldnt understand how evil the World actually is ... yadda yadda ..

What a load of total bull$h|t.. I think the words we're looking for are sedition and treason...

and what kind of a comdedian is this Farhad Khan, who ends his whiny article with the stirring words: "“Hum tou doobain gay sanam… Pur… tum ko bhee lay doobaain gay!"

and where is the ANP leader Afsandyar Wali Khan at a time when millions of his constituents whose votes he betrayed are being made homeless?? Nowhere to be seen. Travelling somewhere in europe some say. This man proved to be all talk ("maslihat chahihay, beghairati nahin").

#6 what is this bakwas about "panjoos"? pakistani soldiers are laying down their lives are from all provinces of pakistan. it is the bastards they are fighting - the taliban - who also happen to be pakhtun. The cowardly ANP that betrayed its own voters in Swat is also pakhtun. Maybe you need to worry about your fellow pakhtuns instead of taking the racist way out of blaming other ethnicities.

Bunch of cowards from Osama’s Al-qeada who are hiding in rat holes are responsible for genocide of Pakhtun nation. Osama the traitor of Islam and an agent of enemies of Islam destroying Pakhtuns and their land. On the other hand confuse and illiterate mullahs are selling their soul and preaching hatred and playing in the hands of Taliban’s and innocent Pakhtuns are paying the price. We all know who are Taliban’s, thanks to ISI who produced them during so called Afghan jihad against former Soviet Union, former hateful military dictator Zia imposed Afghan refugees on Pakhtuns land and military trained these refugees to fight against Soviets, these Taliban’s did not see music centers then or did not see girls going to schools because they were on pay roll of ISI and other foreign powers, when Osama and his company lost support and financial aid from west and isi after the withdraw of Soviets from Afghanistan, Osama company turned their guns against west and Pakhtuns.Pakistan's fundamentalism was mobilized and made sectarian by the government of Zia. It also became jihadi and terrorist with a lot of financial support from the United States and Saudi Arabia. jihadi leaders came into possession of considerable wealth, which they shared with the state apparatus in Pakistan. The army under General Zia combined three interest groups: the army, the clergy and the industrial elite.
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http://thepathans.blogspot.com

TUL DE VI PUKHTUNKHWA.

best solution is union of afghanistan and pakistan,that will reduce the influence of punjjus.in couple of decades pakhtoons will have neccesary clout to shape the politics of pakistan.i am sure they will provide a dignified direction to this country which is sadly lacking.

any pakistani here?

Fighting is the right answer. It seems that everybody is fighting, yet pukhtoon should stop fighting. I don't care how many muhajirs die or MQM bigots if they are going to continue with their extortion and bigotry and unilateralism. It seems that Pakhtoons need nothing but a seperate country. Enough with all the crap that has been thrown upon us. It is time to stand up and fight.....fight till the end. Let Pakistan loose whatever Kashmir we got them from India......Pakistan army has never won a war just like they claim to have killed 700 militants in the Swat valley (my valley), yet the Taliban spokesman says they have only lost 12 of their commanders. Its exactly same as saying Pakistan won the Kargil war against India, or the 1948 war or 1965 war and 1971 war. The most untruthful, unworthy charlatons in Pakistan are none other than non-pukhtoons. Shame on you all for letting this shit happen. Shame on Zia for dumping us to the Islamic era; he did that so that Pukhtoons would stop our nationalististic movements for a homeland. After all Ramzan janay aur pathan janay!!!!

I am sick of punjabi bashing...

No doubts Pakhtoons have been used as canon fodder by the Punjabi army and civil bureaucracy of Pakistan. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was right in opposing the merger of NWFP with Pakistan and staying on with the Indian Union. The Pathan's simple nature was exploited by the wily and mean Punjabi throughout he history of Pakistan. The Punjabi army first enticed the Pathan to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan as Mujahideen. Then it created created the Taliban for its narrow ends. Now that the Talibs are at the doorsteps of Punjab, the Punjabi army has invaded NWFP, again the Pakhtoons are the sufferers, either they are being killed for being Taliban or they are being driven into refugee camps as helpless civilians.
There is only one way the Pakhtoons can lead a respectable life as a people that is by seceding from Pakistan and reuniting with Afghanistan.

Nobody should drown any further nor drowning others would be the right answer. You are right about Pakhtun blood spilled over the last 30 years of a conflict that started in 1979. Undeclared genocide of the Pakhtuns in which some of the Pakhtuns were inducted to fight has destroyed almost all NWFP, FATA and Afghanistan. Those who are educated should investigate, analyse and plan for a future instead of continuing this indefinite war. MQM was raised into power and authority by the ISI/military and they have brutally suppressed all voices of reason and dissent from Karachi. A fight is not always the right answer.