India Votes for Stability

Khyber #370: Yes indeed - perhaps we should kick Mr. Madani's "shining sun" (the rogue Musharraf) out of his lavish house at Chak Shahzad and make it Swat House for refugees.

Mr. Madani: as for your reference to my being a panjabi, that just shows your primitive mindset that can only see people through ethnic lenses. I hope your great-great-great-grandchildren evolve out of this subhuman mentality.

#368 Mr Madani - If MQM does somethign wrong (denying Pakistanis fleeing the taliban the right to find refuge in any part of Pakistan they wish), I will indeed condemn it. When MQM did something right, as in not joining in support of the Swat deal, I applauded it.

It is your own "MQM can do nothing wrong" mentality that you should re-examine.

Re: # 368,,TAHMED32 is right,IDP'S are not MUHAJIRS from india or any other country
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

It is one thing to play devil's advocate. Put forth clever arguments to shut someone up. That is all ok.

But when you start believing in your own bullshit like this MadrassaAlumnus does then the joke is on him. A la Romair with his Paki T-shirt proclamation. Since this dude is not shy about his verbal diahorrea, it will be fun to make him tapdance and eat his words. He has already taken counter positions on many many topics. Let us see how long he lasts...

SenileRacistBigot32 is so far gone that you don't need to push his buttons anymore. They are always pushed :-) I pity his family

Re: # 365
Mr.T you are reverting to your old ways of blaming MQM ? recently you had shown enlightment saying good words about Mr. Hussai. I guess that liberal state of mind is replaced with with usual punjabi ham headed ways. Only hamid is punjabi but how is not ham headed ?
May be IDPs send to India. Sindh has already too many people in Karachi, we do not need more.I read in future india will be buried in problems as water in see rises all bangala deshis and Bihari have no place to enter India as refugees.

Re: # 359 Prof R.Haq...there is news today we produced too much of wheat ( produced about 3 years needed) they do not know what to or store.May we should send to India's underwight people short of food ? It is not democracy just farce. Here Scholars like YLH have shown so many times specially with foreign references situation is bad and going to worse many ties. With army going after terror have created terror in minds of indians as their terror friends are loosing. Indian sabotage aid is going to drain. Also it must have demoralised indian army seeing army success against terror. Organization like yours need to be helped by GOP as they can spread news there of failing of india and weathering away of indian state. Good luck thanks for putting line of resistance against indian propaganda.

correction to #365 below: keep IDBs out of Sindh (not Swat).

Khyber: MQM goes back to its filthy ways - after providing some rays of hope that it had learnt something from its shameful anti-democracy stand of the past two years when it spoke out against the taliban. Now - while giving materials and goods to support IDBs, it is trying to keep out IDBs from Swat!! Thus demonstrating that mqm is yet to rise above its petty ethnic mindeset.

Re: # 349 masadi,u ever heared this persian proverb,''Dogs may bark but the caravan moves on'''...thats what u r.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Re: # 358

Riaz:

"...Why do you keep denying the fact that there is no democracy within political parties in India? ..."

Mai aapke padne ki daad deta houn' if that is what you read from what I wrote.

I only pointed that intra party leadership is not a pre-requisite of democracy. Allow me to define it. One man one vote to gather power, and distribution of power by thus elected represenative alone.

Yes election of party leadership, candidates can be manipulated and is manipulated without exception everywhere.

Re: # 359

Riaz:

"...When I trivialize my comments backed by references and data, you only make a fool of youself...."

This is quite delusional as the data you have is not the only data set in the world. BTW, Hamidm too quoted not Dalrymple but Arab historians of contemporaenous time. He gave the name of the book, and I was able to buy it on amazon.com.

RiazHaq #357

{{"There have never, I repeat never, been anything even close to Gujarat massacre of minorities or murder-rape of Orissa. Unlike India, there is no "riot-system" in Pakistan"}}

You need to compare like with like.

Pakistan, unlike India, is a country where religious minorities (Christians, Hindus, Sikhs) are hardly in a position to be assertive. First of all, they lack any strength in numbers. Secondly, they live in a confessional state; the state religion, Islam, is quite unique among major world religions in the scale and degree of vituperation its primary scripture expresses towards unbelievers of various kinds. Thirdly, the attitudes espoused in Islam have been written into Pakistani law as civic disabilities against non-Muslims. The blasphemy law is available to be used at a moment's notice as an instrument of harassment and intimidation. In brief, any Christian or Hindu with half a brain knows that the knife of Islam could be at his throat in a jiffy, his life and property forfeit if he gets into a dispute with a believer.

So you are most unlikely to encounter a Godhra-like situation where a mob of Pakistani Hindus incinerates a railway carriage carrying Muslim pilgrims. And you are not likely in Pakistan to encounter aggressive and frankly tactless large-scale Christian evangelisation of the kind that goes on in the wilds of Orissa.

You are likely to find systematic constant harassment of individual Christians and Hindus; property disputes leading to allegations of blasphemy against Holy Prophet and Majestic Quran; abduction of women and minor girls followed by amazing conversions to Islam; as well as sporadic larger-scale incidents of violence of the Sangla Hill/Shantinagar kind. This has been reported fairly extensively.

The fundamental level of tolerance of Indian society to vigorous assertion of minority religious identity and religious expression is very high. So are the sheer numbers of miorities (approx 150 million Muslims - comparable with the total population of Pakistan, perhaps 30 million Christians). This is the basic background against which any violence there must be viewed in any comparison with Islamic Pakistan.

"There have never, I repeat never, been anything even close to Gujarat massacre of minorities or murder-rape of Orissa. Unlike India, there is no "riot-system" in Pakistan,''"


Riaz ul Propaganda ji hindus in Pakistan can never 'riot' when they know they can be lynched anytime on the charges of abusing prophet........

Last time one hindu asked for a raise from a paki momeen factory owner and he was lynched......you keep hindus as dhimmi slaves in your fields and zamidaris at subsistence levels only..........it is time hindus revolted against them....

Re: # 339
Anil,
When I trivialize my comments backed by references and data, you only make a fool of youself. As to hamidm as a reference, you and I bothy know hamidm is no historian. I suggesed looking at Dalrymple's story of Xanadu. Damrymple is a recognized historian who has done the necessary research.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 337
Anil,
Why do you keep denying the fact that there is no democracy within political parties in India? I thunk you need to study this topic before continuing this discussion. As to Clinton vs Obama, it was a hard-fought primary in which most of the key party leaders backed Clinton. Again, to deny this is to deny the obvious.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide