Dost Mittar May 16, 2009
#357 Posted by RiazHaq on May 23, 2009 3:09:25 pm
Re: # 338
Most of the minority Hindus in Pakistan lives in Bangladesh with some in Sind after partition. Thee continues to be a fairly significant population of several million Hindus in Sind , with many constituencies such as Tharparkar dominated by them. In fact, I remember having Hindu classmates and teachers in the schools and colleges I attended. In addition to Hindus, I had many Christian and Parsee friends. I continue to be in touch with some of them.
There have never, I repeat never, been anything even close to Gujarat massacre of minorities or murder-rape of Orissa. Unlike India, there is no "riot-system" in Pakistan, according to U of Washington's Paul Brass who has researched pogroms and genocides.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Most of the minority Hindus in Pakistan lives in Bangladesh with some in Sind after partition. Thee continues to be a fairly significant population of several million Hindus in Sind , with many constituencies such as Tharparkar dominated by them. In fact, I remember having Hindu classmates and teachers in the schools and colleges I attended. In addition to Hindus, I had many Christian and Parsee friends. I continue to be in touch with some of them.
There have never, I repeat never, been anything even close to Gujarat massacre of minorities or murder-rape of Orissa. Unlike India, there is no "riot-system" in Pakistan, according to U of Washington's Paul Brass who has researched pogroms and genocides.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#356 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:50:19 pm
Re: # 353
Hasho:
"...Gather your thoughts, you time and again make contradictory statements..."
My thoughts are quite consistent. I would not comment on those whose are opportunistic. My essay about this amalgam is very old, in fact older than the age of many who are at Chowk.
Hasho:
"...Gather your thoughts, you time and again make contradictory statements..."
My thoughts are quite consistent. I would not comment on those whose are opportunistic. My essay about this amalgam is very old, in fact older than the age of many who are at Chowk.
#355 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:48:22 pm
I am surprised that you cannot understand the meaning of my living example. I wish Akbar and Jodha were living, but you could not produce such longivity drug. I know you are not naive.
#354 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:47:02 pm
Hasho:
Please either have an interesting debate or just keep your old commitment.
Here Pakistanis come and talk about "slave mentality" of hindus. I am helping you and other such Pakistanis to learn reality, not rehtorics. The ground reality in India despite violence, amalgam still remains. Hindustva hatred could not wipe out, neither did Pakistani propoganda.
If you have points to counter to my point, then please state. Such trivialities "now" this, earlier that please save them for others. There is no need for you to waste with me.
Please either have an interesting debate or just keep your old commitment.
Here Pakistanis come and talk about "slave mentality" of hindus. I am helping you and other such Pakistanis to learn reality, not rehtorics. The ground reality in India despite violence, amalgam still remains. Hindustva hatred could not wipe out, neither did Pakistani propoganda.
If you have points to counter to my point, then please state. Such trivialities "now" this, earlier that please save them for others. There is no need for you to waste with me.
#353 Posted by Hasho on May 23, 2009 1:37:12 pm
I am looking as amalgam that it produced as Indian Victory
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So it is now an amalgam, after denying that you even made that point just ten minutes ago.
I doubt that I have interest in debating the issue with someone who is so forgetful.
"living example is that you are a Muslim and I am not. This drowning, this submerge was broken by the creation of Pakistan."
So if the "drowing" or the "submerge" did not take place in the 800 years, how was that going to take place in the sixty years after the independence?
Gather your thoughts, you time and again make contradictory statements.
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So it is now an amalgam, after denying that you even made that point just ten minutes ago.
I doubt that I have interest in debating the issue with someone who is so forgetful.
"living example is that you are a Muslim and I am not. This drowning, this submerge was broken by the creation of Pakistan."
So if the "drowing" or the "submerge" did not take place in the 800 years, how was that going to take place in the sixty years after the independence?
Gather your thoughts, you time and again make contradictory statements.
#352 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:28:28 pm
Hasho:
I am looking as amalgam that it produced as Indian Victory. Yes, do you have problem with this view, then let me hear your points.
I am looking as amalgam that it produced as Indian Victory. Yes, do you have problem with this view, then let me hear your points.
#351 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:27:28 pm
Masadi:
Just keep your ignorance to yourself. With faster changes, new dynamics get created at faster space to not let your 7th century to Mills ranting. Indian pot has variety that no one, from your type to right winge hinduvta, can change. With faster changes that are possible dynamics of destruction with out creation cannot survive for too long. Hence hatered cannot have the time to spread.
Learn it Masadi. There is a lot more in the world to know than you know.
Just keep your ignorance to yourself. With faster changes, new dynamics get created at faster space to not let your 7th century to Mills ranting. Indian pot has variety that no one, from your type to right winge hinduvta, can change. With faster changes that are possible dynamics of destruction with out creation cannot survive for too long. Hence hatered cannot have the time to spread.
Learn it Masadi. There is a lot more in the world to know than you know.
#350 Posted by Hasho on May 23, 2009 1:26:15 pm
"You are wrong in looking of Islam in India in terms of "Indian Victory" or loss."
It is not me, it is you who is looking at that as an Indian victory. Read what I quoted from your post on my previous post. Btw, you make that point on every other post so read all previous posts too. I don't know may be it hard for you believe in a point you made yourself.
It is not me, it is you who is looking at that as an Indian victory. Read what I quoted from your post on my previous post. Btw, you make that point on every other post so read all previous posts too. I don't know may be it hard for you believe in a point you made yourself.
#349 Posted by masadi on May 23, 2009 1:20:51 pm
Anil writes "60 years is too small a period in 1,000 year history..."
Not when greater change has occurred in those 60 years compared to the past 1000, and if you're so grateful might we ask you to put your money where your mouth is and return to India rather than brag about the Ivy league education your daughter got or HBS that you attended....with an email to match.....
TNITC masadi
Not when greater change has occurred in those 60 years compared to the past 1000, and if you're so grateful might we ask you to put your money where your mouth is and return to India rather than brag about the Ivy league education your daughter got or HBS that you attended....with an email to match.....
TNITC masadi
#348 Posted by anil on May 23, 2009 1:18:07 pm
Re: # 340
Hasho:
You are wrong in looking of Islam in India in terms of "Indian Victory" or loss. If anything I would call it being in India, an Indian victory. It added new dimensions to India, but it could not conquer India, living example is that you are a Muslim and I am not. This drowning, this submerge was broken by the creation of Pakistan.
60 years is too small a period in 1,000 year history. Besides, India still has the largest population of muslims in the sub continent to benefit from it, despite what you and right wing hindu fanatics say or shout. Neither have ability to change, and I thank God, Allah and Bhagwan for it.
Hasho:
You are wrong in looking of Islam in India in terms of "Indian Victory" or loss. If anything I would call it being in India, an Indian victory. It added new dimensions to India, but it could not conquer India, living example is that you are a Muslim and I am not. This drowning, this submerge was broken by the creation of Pakistan.
60 years is too small a period in 1,000 year history. Besides, India still has the largest population of muslims in the sub continent to benefit from it, despite what you and right wing hindu fanatics say or shout. Neither have ability to change, and I thank God, Allah and Bhagwan for it.
#347 Posted by Hasho on May 23, 2009 1:14:04 pm
I see that you also post your stupid questions chappati Mystery site too. I guess that is your habit. The best thing is to read about the issues and then post your comments. No one wants to take you to school here.
So get lost.
So get lost.
#346 Posted by dude40000 on May 23, 2009 1:08:30 pm
Re: # 344
Its not a stupid question. Its a valid question - and I genuinely don't know the exact answer.
Thanks for the help anyway.
Its not a stupid question. Its a valid question - and I genuinely don't know the exact answer.
Thanks for the help anyway.
#345 Posted by masadi on May 23, 2009 1:08:09 pm
Dude man, you're making a fool of yourself. You asked the question because you assumed that Pakistan has got rid of its minorities, which is not the case. A few years back the Christian evangelicals were claiming that they had converted 10% of the Pakistani population to Christindom. How's that for minority growth?
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#344 Posted by Hasho on May 23, 2009 1:05:59 pm
Don't have stats? Then don't ask stupid questions. It seems to me that you are so stupid that you will not get this simple request.
#343 Posted by dude40000 on May 23, 2009 1:02:24 pm
Re: # 342
Hasho - I don't have any stats. That is the reason I asked the question..duh!
Hasho - I don't have any stats. That is the reason I asked the question..duh!
#342 Posted by Hasho on May 23, 2009 12:59:37 pm
Dudi bachay,
No, I will not provide the answer, though I can very easily do that, until you back up the claim in your question.
So where are the stats that prove that millions of Hindus were killed in the current Pakistan after 1948?
No, I will not provide the answer, though I can very easily do that, until you back up the claim in your question.
So where are the stats that prove that millions of Hindus were killed in the current Pakistan after 1948?
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