India Votes for Stability

In India the present model is working quite satisfactorily with the benifits of development having percolated to the lower strata of the population in most states like Gujarat, Maharashtra , Haryana, Punjab, Tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhrapradesh, to name a few.
BIMARU states of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and UP are lagging behind in almost all parameters of development. Once these states get on the bandwagon, there is nothing to stop India

DM sb,

SE Asian model was based on dictatorships (of varying sorts). Pak and BD have whole lots of dictatorships with precious little to show for them.

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Shoab/Majumdar:

To be fair to Riaz bhai, he did make some suggestions in his posting# 418; in particular the following suggestion:

"May be a directly elected president or prime minister whose job does not depend on the support of the shifting alliances of legislators would work better, especially if it allows him/her to go over the heads of the legislators directly to the people to get broad support on crucial policy decisions."

He also suggested SE Asian model.

Riaz:

"Currently, a number of industry sectors have scale restriction by law to help small and medium size enterprises."

This was certainly true during the period of Nehruvian License Raj. However, most of these restrictions have been removed during the economic reforms of recent years.

Re: # 431
majumder...
Dictatorship...Hamdim2 would have said "Viceroy from USA/UK"....this fellow will look for Khalifa from Saudi Arabia....

Sorry , badly framed.

What political system would you like to put into place?

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Riaz mian,

You haven't answered Shoaib bhai's basic question. What kind of governance would you like for the countries in South Asia?

Regards

Re: # 429
riaz katue...
India at least constructed 63327 KM Railway track to look for...Buinistic country like Pakistan, does not posses such a huge infrastructure to be used for anything....

Re: # 426

No, you should continue to head to the railroad tracks to assert your democracy, freedom and civility. It's good for you. And don't forget to spray plenty of heeng to enhance your body fragrance. That's good for you, too.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

The previous post of mine was in response to #425 by Riaz mian.

I don't know of any non-industrialized nation with widespread illiteracy and poverty that has made democracy work successfully...India is a living example of the miserable failure to deliver good governance to its teeming millions.


Quite. Most South Asians people couldn't tell their elbows from their bums. But you still haven't answered my question. What mode of gov't do you suggest for the jahils of South Asia?

Re: # 418
riaz katue...
so, we ( India) should follow the beduin gangster's manual and create a hell of a mess like Pakistan...

1 let the NATO forces bomb our country
2 international sporting bodies ban all sorts of sporting event (international) in our country.
3 countries put travel advisory against our country...
4 some super power threaten to bring back the country to stone age
5 rush with begging bowl every now and then...

The list of achievement will be very big indeed....

Re: # 424

I don't know of any non-industrialized nation with widespread illiteracy and poverty that has made democracy work successfully...India is a living example of the miserable failure to deliver good governance to its teeming millions.

The ideas I presented in my earlier comments were meant as suggestions to those who consider absolute faith in democracy as the key part of their own "religious" orthodoxy. But I really don't think tinkering around the edges would work well.

What countries like India and Pakistan need are benevolent strongmen to lead them out of the swamp they are in to make them capable of good democratic governance. The experience of ASEAN founder nations of Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore is a good example how this scenario would work.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz mian,

Who wants the kind of abject poverty, hunger, crime, disease, joblessness, thousands of farmer suicides, general lack of opportunity, violence against minorities, etc that Indian democracy has given the vast majority of its people?

You think Indian democracy is responsible for its "poverty, hunger, crime, disease, joblessness, thousands of farmer suicides, general lack of opportunity, violence against minorities, etc"? Quite.

Before ’52 when we had no form of representative gov’t, of course, we were a veritable paradise. And our other South Asian neighbors, who by and large, thankfully, do not subscribe to any form of democracy, obviously suffer from none of these ills.

By the way, just of out curiosity, what mode of government do you subscribe for India?


Both presidential (US/France) and parliamentary (UK) require a fairly literate and discerning electorates to vote based on key issues and overall agenda rather than region, religion, caste, ethnicity and other considerations that subvert the larger national agenda.

I’m a bit confused. Due to the general lack of education that the avg South Asian has, do you suggest a curtailing of democratic rights in these regions? And what is this “larger national agenda� that you speak of? I feel voting along lines of region is par for the course in a federal set-up. If you admire the US set-up so much, you should agree with me.

A California style direct ballot initiative process may also be helpful in more decisive action on key policies to bypass the legislators.

Hmmm…so now the Indians would not vote on “region, religion, caste, ethnicity and other considerations that subvert the larger national agenda.� ? What’s makes a direct ballot a panacea? The population still isn’t “fairly literate�?

Re: # 421

The way to look at the relative sizes of industrial sector in different nations is by its contribution to GDP. Here are some figures:

India 19.3%, Pakistan 26%, EU 27.3%, US 20.4%, Germany 29%, UK 25.6%, Brazil 38%,...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_sector_composit ion
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

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Ram Ram.