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#460 Posted by tahmed32 on June 5, 2009 1:23:29 am
Goldfinger #459 Bacha Saqa achieved immortality as a result of his short stay in power - "bachay saqay ki hakoomat" is now an urdu phrase to mean a 2-day stint in power.
What is also interesting is that the mullah Bacha Saqa was supported by the British in overthrowing the secularist Amanullah who had made Afghanistan too independent of British rule. And indeed, Afghanistan has a strong tradition of secularism that goes back to the start of the 20th century and which always stood for Afghan independence.
And this secularist tradition carried over into the 1980's when the secular nationaist Ahmed Shah Massoud (the "lion of panjshir") was opposed by Mullah Generals Zia as being too indpendent minded. On the other hand, the mullahs were only too happy to team up with the dictator against Massoud the same way Bacha Saqa had teamed up with the British imperialists against Amanullah.
Thus, the soul-less character of the mullah underneath his mask of "Islam" is very evident from Afghan history of the past century.
What is also interesting is that the mullah Bacha Saqa was supported by the British in overthrowing the secularist Amanullah who had made Afghanistan too independent of British rule. And indeed, Afghanistan has a strong tradition of secularism that goes back to the start of the 20th century and which always stood for Afghan independence.
And this secularist tradition carried over into the 1980's when the secular nationaist Ahmed Shah Massoud (the "lion of panjshir") was opposed by Mullah Generals Zia as being too indpendent minded. On the other hand, the mullahs were only too happy to team up with the dictator against Massoud the same way Bacha Saqa had teamed up with the British imperialists against Amanullah.
Thus, the soul-less character of the mullah underneath his mask of "Islam" is very evident from Afghan history of the past century.
#459 Posted by Goldfinger on June 4, 2009 6:27:35 pm
Re: # 428
tahmed,
I agree with you on the moolas...I mentioned Ahmed Shah of Bareilly because in the northwest region this appears to be the first instance of megalomaniac bigots trying usurping power by jumping upon the religious bandwagon...this was in the early to mid 1800's...afterwards from January 17 to October 13, 1929, Habibullah Kalkani, who called himself Habibullah Ghazi, another madrassah educated brigand actually seized the throne of Afghanistan. He was an ethnic Tajik, and was also notoriously known as Bacha-i-Sakao (Son of the water carrier), because his father was at one point a water-carrier in the Afghan army. His first order was to change the western attire back to traditional clothing and to remove all the flowers from the presidential grounds and plant vegetables instead. He was eventually captured and executed by firing squad.
tahmed,
I agree with you on the moolas...I mentioned Ahmed Shah of Bareilly because in the northwest region this appears to be the first instance of megalomaniac bigots trying usurping power by jumping upon the religious bandwagon...this was in the early to mid 1800's...afterwards from January 17 to October 13, 1929, Habibullah Kalkani, who called himself Habibullah Ghazi, another madrassah educated brigand actually seized the throne of Afghanistan. He was an ethnic Tajik, and was also notoriously known as Bacha-i-Sakao (Son of the water carrier), because his father was at one point a water-carrier in the Afghan army. His first order was to change the western attire back to traditional clothing and to remove all the flowers from the presidential grounds and plant vegetables instead. He was eventually captured and executed by firing squad.
#458 Posted by tahmed32 on June 4, 2009 4:08:09 pm
Khyber #461 "...IGNORE MASADI EVERYONE"
Masadi who? Do you mean Comrade Mersadis-with-foam-in-the-exhaust??
Masadi who? Do you mean Comrade Mersadis-with-foam-in-the-exhaust??
#457 Posted by masadi on June 4, 2009 4:04:13 pm
Alumni he wasn't coopting anyone, he was merely fulfilling the demands of those that got him the office, in other words he was hiring not those who will serve under him but his masters over whom he merely has symbolic presence. He is an even weaker president than GWB.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#456 Posted by RiazHaq on June 4, 2009 3:59:35 pm
Re: # 454
masadi, I have personally criticized him in the past, particularly over his appointments of people like Rahm Emanuel (AIPAC), Sonal Shah (right-wing India lobby), Hilary Clinton (Democrat party machine), etc. But now I see the wisdom of his choices in co-opting potential opponents (a team of rivals), who would become his biggest problem if they were on the outside attacking him.
While I acknowledge the odds are still against him, but I think he's a lot smarter than is obvious from his resume and his background. He is also very articulate and charismatic, and draws people toward him. I remain hopeful that he will make a positive impact, at least in the short term...until his opponents get organized to stymie his efforts.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
masadi, I have personally criticized him in the past, particularly over his appointments of people like Rahm Emanuel (AIPAC), Sonal Shah (right-wing India lobby), Hilary Clinton (Democrat party machine), etc. But now I see the wisdom of his choices in co-opting potential opponents (a team of rivals), who would become his biggest problem if they were on the outside attacking him.
While I acknowledge the odds are still against him, but I think he's a lot smarter than is obvious from his resume and his background. He is also very articulate and charismatic, and draws people toward him. I remain hopeful that he will make a positive impact, at least in the short term...until his opponents get organized to stymie his efforts.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#455 Posted by masadi on June 4, 2009 3:24:55 pm
Khyber writes "...IGNORE MASADI EVERYONE."
By all means ignore me if you want to and read the sh** that that Hindu bigot pretending to be a pathan is writing as he parrots the propaganda of the perverts sitting in Washington, but this much I can tell you not only do I have a bigger readership on chowk than this moron will ever have, my posts unlike his BS are original. So if you want a steady dose of the garbage that Khyber, tahmed and their kind of sellouts are writing, you really don't need chowk, just listen daily to Bill O'reilly's talking points and Rush Limbaughs radio broadcasts.
TNITC masadi
By all means ignore me if you want to and read the sh** that that Hindu bigot pretending to be a pathan is writing as he parrots the propaganda of the perverts sitting in Washington, but this much I can tell you not only do I have a bigger readership on chowk than this moron will ever have, my posts unlike his BS are original. So if you want a steady dose of the garbage that Khyber, tahmed and their kind of sellouts are writing, you really don't need chowk, just listen daily to Bill O'reilly's talking points and Rush Limbaughs radio broadcasts.
TNITC masadi
#454 Posted by masadi on June 4, 2009 3:24:16 pm
#453, Alumni WW you forget that Obama went through elite institutions, Columbia and Harvard and then the US senate where the vetting process for the President by the elite takes shape. He has more in common with the previous presidents than with people of his original background though I agree he is more of a wild card for these elite who will get rid of him were he to cross the boundaries, that I assure you, and he understands that very well just look at his flip flopping in the past 3 months.
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#453 Posted by RiazHaq on June 4, 2009 3:12:20 pm
Re: # 448
masadi,
While I understand your skepticism, let's not forget that Obama has sought a new beginning with the Islamic world, as he said in his speech today.
Obama does not come from the elite, privileged background of most of the prior US presidents, especially the Bushes. He has a different perspective.
Obama's words are very different from Bush's words during the last eight years. No more "war on terror". No "crusades". No more of "you are with us, or you are against us" rhetoric.
We need to acknowledge these facts, and react accordingly.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
masadi,
While I understand your skepticism, let's not forget that Obama has sought a new beginning with the Islamic world, as he said in his speech today.
Obama does not come from the elite, privileged background of most of the prior US presidents, especially the Bushes. He has a different perspective.
Obama's words are very different from Bush's words during the last eight years. No more "war on terror". No "crusades". No more of "you are with us, or you are against us" rhetoric.
We need to acknowledge these facts, and react accordingly.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#452 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 2:37:00 pm
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#451 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 1:53:22 pm
To all friends here,Just remember what MASADI is trying to do here and from now on just ignore his posts and don't reply to him,he is a sick puppy who needs attention,anytime someone is discussing something he jumps in like a monkey and starts his stupid comments...so from now on...IGNORE MASADI EVERYONE.
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#450 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 10:54:28 am
Poor,insane,ignorant MASADI...Hey friendly advice,if you are in new york area,I know many psychologists,I really want you to get some mental help.
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#449 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 10:51:42 am
I am glad to read the news of arresting criminal, Maulana Sufi Mohammad and his spokesman Maulana Ameer Izzat Khan,they are criminals and are involved in crimes against humanity,Govt should not show any mercy to these terrorists,they should hang them in public for their crimes. No mercy to Taliban and their mouthpieces.Enough is enough,we must not show any lenience to these criminals and their supporters,get rid of them.
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#448 Posted by masadi on June 4, 2009 10:49:53 am
Alumni WW writes "masadi,
Let's acknowledge that Obama is saying all the right things, and hope his words will soon translate into good deeds on the ground."
Come on man, America has been saying the right things since WW2 while doing all the wrong things to reveal its hypocrisy. The "fool me twice" cliche remember that except that it is fool me a thousand times where it concerns the shenanigans of the U.S. elite and its thuggish supporters like tahmed and that Hindu, Pathan wannabe Khyber.
TNITC masadi
Let's acknowledge that Obama is saying all the right things, and hope his words will soon translate into good deeds on the ground."
Come on man, America has been saying the right things since WW2 while doing all the wrong things to reveal its hypocrisy. The "fool me twice" cliche remember that except that it is fool me a thousand times where it concerns the shenanigans of the U.S. elite and its thuggish supporters like tahmed and that Hindu, Pathan wannabe Khyber.
TNITC masadi
#447 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 8:45:51 am
Re: # 446..Thanks Tahmed and cheers,hope they hang em in public as Iran did to their terrorists.
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#446 Posted by tahmed32 on June 4, 2009 8:38:54 am
Khyber: Mubarak ho!! Notice how, even at this age, his own life was too valuable to this scoundrel to do what he had no problem doing to others - cutting the throats young men who had "committed the crime" of joining the national police force or army; brainwashing scores of teenagers and older dimwits to go and blow themselves up along with thousands of innocent people.
There is a special place in hell waiting for these bastards. Of that I am sure.
There is a special place in hell waiting for these bastards. Of that I am sure.
#445 Posted by KHYBER on June 4, 2009 8:33:18 am
Sufi Mohammad, Ameer Izzat arrested: ISPR
ISLAMABAD ( 2009-06-04 21:00:43 ) :DG ISPR Major General Ather Abbas has confirmed the arresting of TSNM chief Maulana Sufi Mohammad and his spokesman Maulana Ameer Izzat Khan, here on Thursday.
According to ISPR press realease, Syed Wahab, Salman Shah and Maulana Muhammad Alam has also arrested.
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ISLAMABAD ( 2009-06-04 21:00:43 ) :DG ISPR Major General Ather Abbas has confirmed the arresting of TSNM chief Maulana Sufi Mohammad and his spokesman Maulana Ameer Izzat Khan, here on Thursday.
According to ISPR press realease, Syed Wahab, Salman Shah and Maulana Muhammad Alam has also arrested.
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