Khalid Sohail June 5, 2009
#29 Posted by Kulharee on June 10, 2009 4:48:37 pm
Very well written essay. Dr Sahib, some people exhibit many of these traits, e.g., Masadi Sahib in his post below (#9) is exhibiting a behavior that of a 2 year old and combines #5, #6 along with his mental illness (#4). Calling him an animal is a sheer insult to even pigs.
Masadi Sahib, you forgot to add “Amen� at the end of your Dua.
Masadi Sahib, you forgot to add “Amen� at the end of your Dua.
#28 Posted by juror on June 10, 2009 2:39:39 pm
Re: # 13Tahir saab.no one destroying your land,we invite them by our actions to invade us,Saddam was perfect example of an stupid leader,instead of developing his country,he started challenging other poewrs,he clamied mother of all wars and then his troops even did not shoot a single bullet,lets say Taliban when ruling Afghanistan could develop that country too but no they wanted to spread islam throughout the world and started denying rights of women and offering help to osama,so what do you think after 9/11,Bush would just sit in white house and swatch spread of fanaticism???The problem with us(muslims) is that we dont have sense of tolerance as obvious by your posts but love to blame others.
#26 Posted by banjara286 on June 10, 2009 1:27:00 pm
Re: # 24 judge, juror & executioner saab,
so how r u going fix all of them hypocrites except by force?
so how r u going fix all of them hypocrites except by force?
#25 Posted by aisha.rajar on June 10, 2009 12:12:26 pm
Well i believe if women in my country (pakistan) are anywhere lesser then men that is only because of lack of education for women and limitations.
#24 Posted by juror on June 10, 2009 11:57:19 am
Re: # 23.How and what is the escape? what education, what to avoid? Killing for money (within families, serial killing...), for honour (karo kari), war, politicsIS ALL IGNORANCE AND THE problem is in pakistan people are brain washed by religious fanatcics as majority of Pakistanis go to only religious schools and that what they teach em there,hate non muslims,hate women,ban women,deny women rights,but then like in saudi arabia its ok for a 50 yr old man to marry a 8 yr old girl. unfortunately islma of these hyocrites is limited to women and music,its not islam its the ignorant people who are destroying it.
#23 Posted by aisha.rajar on June 10, 2009 11:43:52 am
Why love turns into hatred, jealousy, aggression? Even within family i am sure we all have exprienced fights.
Killing for money (within families, serial killing...), for honour (karo kari), war, politics... I ve grown up hearing all this newspapers, books, television, action films, cartoons (the bad ones ve to die snow white the witch falls and dies, sleeping beauty again the witch/dragon is killed by the hero). How and what is the escape? what education, what to avoid?
Killing for money (within families, serial killing...), for honour (karo kari), war, politics... I ve grown up hearing all this newspapers, books, television, action films, cartoons (the bad ones ve to die snow white the witch falls and dies, sleeping beauty again the witch/dragon is killed by the hero). How and what is the escape? what education, what to avoid?
#22 Posted by juror on June 10, 2009 11:34:57 am
Its amazing that in Pakistan no one talks about corruption in every field from army to judiciary,to police,politicians,people ask for bribe openly but doing all this stuff they ignore Islam,it seems like its ok to take n give bribe.is it allowed in islam?
#21 Posted by juror on June 10, 2009 11:31:53 am
Re: # 20..drsohail ...its useless to have a peaceful dialog with Muslim like Tahir.they love to jump to their guns and think they are the only ones who are right. Albert Einstein did not say anything wrong,what he meant is that religion is a private matter and human being can't be judged by his/her religion,but the problem with Pakistani muslims is that they dont practice islam,over 40 million people in PAK cant read and write,majority of pakistani muslims read their holy book in arabic with out any kind of knowledge what each word means.It is a fact that majority of people being killed because of religions,religion makes you narrow minded and fanatic.
#20 Posted by drsohail on June 10, 2009 9:18:09 am
Re: # 19
dear tahir...if you want to have a dialogue, let us have a peaceful dialogue. please do not my words out of the context...I said by Unitied nations where 5 countries do not have VETO POWER...created by all countries to serve all countries of the world....
share with me your views about the war between India and Pakistan and Israel and neighbouring Muslim countries. How will you end the killings going on for generations?
sincerely sohail
dear tahir...if you want to have a dialogue, let us have a peaceful dialogue. please do not my words out of the context...I said by Unitied nations where 5 countries do not have VETO POWER...created by all countries to serve all countries of the world....
share with me your views about the war between India and Pakistan and Israel and neighbouring Muslim countries. How will you end the killings going on for generations?
sincerely sohail
#19 Posted by tahir on June 10, 2009 8:44:33 am
"there can be PEACE KEEPING FORCE by an international Peace Keeping Organization...like United Nations"
What a joke! This is what the One World Government humanist servants want--control of each country through this war-mongering institution.
What a joke! This is what the One World Government humanist servants want--control of each country through this war-mongering institution.
#18 Posted by drsohail on June 10, 2009 8:10:32 am
Re: # 17
dear khurram...i can imagine a day when all countries of the world will start with
...saying good bye to nuclear weapons,
....than all weapons (tanks and bombs)
and then
...saying goodbye to army
there can be PEACE KEEPING FORCE by an international Peace Keeping Organization...like United Nations.(where there is no VETO POWER of 5 countries)
Keeping a national army on the name of patriotism...to kill enemies...is an acceptance that human beings cannot resolve their conflcits by a peaceful dialogue.
Would you like to send your children to an army to take oath to kill the enemy (from another nation, religion, tribe). When I was a teenager I wanted to join army but my dad refused to sign papers. At that time i was upset but now i thank him so keeping me on the side of peace than war. After becoming a doctor he asked me if i wanted to go to army. He said now i will be a healer not killer.
I consider army a form of state violence. Being a Pakistani I feel ashamed of what Pakistani army did in East Pakistan in 1971 before it became Bangladesh. I also feel embarrassed that in 1965 Pakistni and Indian army (children of same ancestors) killed each other.
To me it is all part of tribal mentality.
I think heads of states...India and Pakistan....Israel and neighboring countries need to sign peace treaties and follow them. Human history is already soaked in blood. We do not need any more killings and murders in the name of religion and patriotism
sincerely
sohail
dear khurram...i can imagine a day when all countries of the world will start with
...saying good bye to nuclear weapons,
....than all weapons (tanks and bombs)
and then
...saying goodbye to army
there can be PEACE KEEPING FORCE by an international Peace Keeping Organization...like United Nations.(where there is no VETO POWER of 5 countries)
Keeping a national army on the name of patriotism...to kill enemies...is an acceptance that human beings cannot resolve their conflcits by a peaceful dialogue.
Would you like to send your children to an army to take oath to kill the enemy (from another nation, religion, tribe). When I was a teenager I wanted to join army but my dad refused to sign papers. At that time i was upset but now i thank him so keeping me on the side of peace than war. After becoming a doctor he asked me if i wanted to go to army. He said now i will be a healer not killer.
I consider army a form of state violence. Being a Pakistani I feel ashamed of what Pakistani army did in East Pakistan in 1971 before it became Bangladesh. I also feel embarrassed that in 1965 Pakistni and Indian army (children of same ancestors) killed each other.
To me it is all part of tribal mentality.
I think heads of states...India and Pakistan....Israel and neighboring countries need to sign peace treaties and follow them. Human history is already soaked in blood. We do not need any more killings and murders in the name of religion and patriotism
sincerely
sohail
#17 Posted by khurram on June 10, 2009 7:07:41 am
drsohail,
"In that way they will not join the army ..."
Are you advocating disbanding of all armies?
"In that way they will not join the army ..."
Are you advocating disbanding of all armies?
#16 Posted by drsohail on June 10, 2009 6:36:52 am
Re: # 15
Dear Malik Rashid, Thank you for your comments and intellectually stimulating questions. I think we can have a genuine dialogue.
In my opinion human children are born with certain potential and then they are conditioned by their families, communities and cultures. Their sexual and aggressive instincts are channeled in a certain way.
I think if we have a humanistic environment where children
in their
...families
...schools
and
...communities
are taught to respect people from other cultures, religions and races then they can develop PEACE CONSCIOUNESS rather than VIOLENT CONSCIOUSNESS.
In that way they will not join the army or terrorist and extremist groups to kill others.
We still have a tribal mentality...us against...them
I am a great believer of education, that is a life long process.
I believe the goal of human evolution is to become fully human individually and collectively.
Psychotherapy for individuals who need it and public education for masses is necessary to raise social consciousness so that we can live in harmony with other groups. It is not easy to un-learn our conditioning and overcome our biases and prejudices, but it can be done if we have the right teachers and leaders of our communities and countries.
i hope I answered some of your questions. I am interested in your ideas as well.
sincerely,
sohail
Dear Malik Rashid, Thank you for your comments and intellectually stimulating questions. I think we can have a genuine dialogue.
In my opinion human children are born with certain potential and then they are conditioned by their families, communities and cultures. Their sexual and aggressive instincts are channeled in a certain way.
I think if we have a humanistic environment where children
in their
...families
...schools
and
...communities
are taught to respect people from other cultures, religions and races then they can develop PEACE CONSCIOUNESS rather than VIOLENT CONSCIOUSNESS.
In that way they will not join the army or terrorist and extremist groups to kill others.
We still have a tribal mentality...us against...them
I am a great believer of education, that is a life long process.
I believe the goal of human evolution is to become fully human individually and collectively.
Psychotherapy for individuals who need it and public education for masses is necessary to raise social consciousness so that we can live in harmony with other groups. It is not easy to un-learn our conditioning and overcome our biases and prejudices, but it can be done if we have the right teachers and leaders of our communities and countries.
i hope I answered some of your questions. I am interested in your ideas as well.
sincerely,
sohail
#15 Posted by malikrashid on June 10, 2009 4:54:49 am
Mr. Sohail,
Thanks for starting this conversation. I wonder if my questions below make any direct relevance to your article.
Can we tame the innate fear and greed to make them benign?
Is sending army to far away lands for economic or strategic interest, a manifestation of collective fear or greed?
Are these ordinary individual feelings of fear and greed translated into mass murders e.g. Hindu/Muslim or Hutu/Tutsi?
Is a sexual predator necessarily a murderer?
Besides individual psycho-therapy, are there any collective measures that could help?
Thanks for starting this conversation. I wonder if my questions below make any direct relevance to your article.
Can we tame the innate fear and greed to make them benign?
Is sending army to far away lands for economic or strategic interest, a manifestation of collective fear or greed?
Are these ordinary individual feelings of fear and greed translated into mass murders e.g. Hindu/Muslim or Hutu/Tutsi?
Is a sexual predator necessarily a murderer?
Besides individual psycho-therapy, are there any collective measures that could help?
#14 Posted by tahir on June 10, 2009 2:13:32 am
Re: # 1
Khyber Pass (I guess you know what the expression means now)!
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary."
Albert must have been stoned or resting in the lap of his mistress when he uttered that!
Khyber Pass (I guess you know what the expression means now)!
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary."
Albert must have been stoned or resting in the lap of his mistress when he uttered that!
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