Seven Reasons to Kill

Re: # 44
burpinder jee...i will read them to enjoy and appreciate and learn more, never to rip...smiles...sohail

You can look my pieces up under Burpinder Singh. Feel free to rip :)

Re: # 42
dear teshah...i fully agree with you.
i had written an article
psychology of suicide bombers
that was published on chowk and you can find it on my page or you can google it. i was surprised when it had more than 50,000 hits. i hope you like it...sincerely sohail

@drsohail

Killing or ‘Jeu Hattia’ is too vast a topic to be done justice with in a chowk article. The worst kind of murder in my view is the killings in the name of religion. From the cult of Kali Devi to the religion of Islam justifications are galore for killing. There are religions also which believe in ‘Ahinsa’ (Non-violence) like Hinduism, Budhism, Jainism, etc., but the fact is the man is a killer worst than animals. The latest phenomenon of the Islamic killers is the Swati and tribal Taliban. But what baffles me is the suicide-bomber who kills himself and the innocent people in the name of religion. How can a human being be so brain-washed and motivated by religion to be so cruel to kill himself and the fellow human beings? What does Dr. Sohail’s psychology say in this respect?

Regards

The author appears to take the moral stand that human beings do not have the right to take the life of other humans. He uses the emotive term "murder" instead of the descriptive term "homicide" for those killings whose legitimacy can be argued. Clearly, he is against cpital punishment and also against war. It is safe to call the author a 'liberal' in the sense of the term popularly used in the Western media.

My contention is that himicide can be unjustifiable or it can be justifiable. Contemporary societal values determine the justifiability or lack there of when it come to a particular category of homicide.

Liberals and conservatives alike use the same arguments when they are opposing certain types of homicides. Those arguments, generally speaking, run something like this:

"Human Life is sacred." "No one has the moral right to take a human life." etc., etc.

Of the various categories of homicide a few are universally condemned. An example would be a cold blooded, pre-meditated killing of an individual for selfish reasons during peace time. It is safe to state that almost every society condemns this kind of homicide. It is called 'murder'.

Another kind of homicide that almost every society accepts and does not out right condemn is 'self-defense.' Suppose an assailant is attacking you and your family, and in the struggle for survival you kill him, it is considered morally and legally "justifiable homicide."

Between these two extreme examples of homicide there is a spectrum of grey.

abortion
euthenasia
capital punishment
war

In the above four categories of homicide opinions differ as to whether they are justifiable or unjustifiable.

The opponents of abortion and euthenasia are often the same people who support capital punishment and war. Conversely, often people who are proponents of legalizing abortion and euthenasia are also the same ones who protest against capital punishment and war.

If you close your eyes and remove the labels you can not tell the difference between their arguments. They both argue in opposition to the particular form of homicide using the same universal cliches:

"Human Life is precious" ... "no one has the right to take a human life" ... blah..blah...blah...

...SR

Doctor,

Have a pieceful dialogue with me in my I-log titled 'Dr. So Hail'.

Whenever I address an I-log to those who question me, they run away; have you too?

Re: # 38
Dear Burpinder...thank you for your honest opinion. It is interesting that in spite of being disappointed in my articles you still keep on reading them. Now two things can happen. Either I will rise up to your HIGH standard or you will get used to my LOW standard...
Did you ever hear it is easier to criticize than create. I would love to read one of your articles to get an idea of your HIGH standard....smiles...sohail

Doc, in your earlier articles you at least tried to inject an element of psychology, but now it looks as if you're just winging it. This certainly is not a comprehensive list of reasons for murdering another human being- rage, jealousy, pleasure, fear would have been a much more plausible list. Utter crap.

Re: # 21
Jew-rur,

"its useless to have a peaceful dialog with Muslim like Tahir.they love to jump to their guns and think they are the only ones who are right."

You're DEAD wrong! When did you attempt to have a dialogue with me? I don't own a gun, and I think some blessed souls in this world are right most of the time.

so chowk staff now its open season on calling masadi names through nicks you have created to mask your identities? You miserable swine juror, you don't have the brains or the balls to stand in front of me and say one word or you'd get your jaw busted, all you can do is hide behind nicks....

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KHYBER KHAN SAAB...MASADI IS posing as charliewrightmills,that is his second nick here,don't be fool by this baster. he is A-HO.

well,masadi sounds smart guy but his problem is he criticize everyones views and thats why people don't like him,we all have different views and might agree on few issues but everyone has right to express his.her views here,if I don't agree with someone I just post my views and dont call names etc to other person as masadi or some other people do.
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Very well written essay. Dr Sahib, some people exhibit many of these traits, e.g., Masadi Sahib in his post below (#9) is exhibiting a behavior that of a 2 year old and combines #5, #6 along with his mental illness (#4). Calling him an animal is a sheer insult to even pigs.

Masadi Sahib, you forgot to add “Amen� at the end of your Dua.

Re: # 13Tahir saab.no one destroying your land,we invite them by our actions to invade us,Saddam was perfect example of an stupid leader,instead of developing his country,he started challenging other poewrs,he clamied mother of all wars and then his troops even did not shoot a single bullet,lets say Taliban when ruling Afghanistan could develop that country too but no they wanted to spread islam throughout the world and started denying rights of women and offering help to osama,so what do you think after 9/11,Bush would just sit in white house and swatch spread of fanaticism???The problem with us(muslims) is that we dont have sense of tolerance as obvious by your posts but love to blame others.

Re: # 26.any ideas???

Re: # 24 judge, juror & executioner saab,
so how r u going fix all of them hypocrites except by force?

Well i believe if women in my country (pakistan) are anywhere lesser then men that is only because of lack of education for women and limitations.

Re: # 23.How and what is the escape? what education, what to avoid? Killing for money (within families, serial killing...), for honour (karo kari), war, politicsIS ALL IGNORANCE AND THE problem is in pakistan people are brain washed by religious fanatcics as majority of Pakistanis go to only religious schools and that what they teach em there,hate non muslims,hate women,ban women,deny women rights,but then like in saudi arabia its ok for a 50 yr old man to marry a 8 yr old girl. unfortunately islma of these hyocrites is limited to women and music,its not islam its the ignorant people who are destroying it.

Why love turns into hatred, jealousy, aggression? Even within family i am sure we all have exprienced fights.

Killing for money (within families, serial killing...), for honour (karo kari), war, politics... I ve grown up hearing all this newspapers, books, television, action films, cartoons (the bad ones ve to die snow white the witch falls and dies, sleeping beauty again the witch/dragon is killed by the hero). How and what is the escape? what education, what to avoid?

Its amazing that in Pakistan no one talks about corruption in every field from army to judiciary,to police,politicians,people ask for bribe openly but doing all this stuff they ignore Islam,it seems like its ok to take n give bribe.is it allowed in islam?

Re: # 20..drsohail ...its useless to have a peaceful dialog with Muslim like Tahir.they love to jump to their guns and think they are the only ones who are right. Albert Einstein did not say anything wrong,what he meant is that religion is a private matter and human being can't be judged by his/her religion,but the problem with Pakistani muslims is that they dont practice islam,over 40 million people in PAK cant read and write,majority of pakistani muslims read their holy book in arabic with out any kind of knowledge what each word means.It is a fact that majority of people being killed because of religions,religion makes you narrow minded and fanatic.

Re: # 19
dear tahir...if you want to have a dialogue, let us have a peaceful dialogue. please do not my words out of the context...I said by Unitied nations where 5 countries do not have VETO POWER...created by all countries to serve all countries of the world....
share with me your views about the war between India and Pakistan and Israel and neighbouring Muslim countries. How will you end the killings going on for generations?
sincerely sohail

"there can be PEACE KEEPING FORCE by an international Peace Keeping Organization...like United Nations"

What a joke! This is what the One World Government humanist servants want--control of each country through this war-mongering institution.

Re: # 17
dear khurram...i can imagine a day when all countries of the world will start with
...saying good bye to nuclear weapons,
....than all weapons (tanks and bombs)
and then
...saying goodbye to army
there can be PEACE KEEPING FORCE by an international Peace Keeping Organization...like United Nations.(where there is no VETO POWER of 5 countries)
Keeping a national army on the name of patriotism...to kill enemies...is an acceptance that human beings cannot resolve their conflcits by a peaceful dialogue.
Would you like to send your children to an army to take oath to kill the enemy (from another nation, religion, tribe). When I was a teenager I wanted to join army but my dad refused to sign papers. At that time i was upset but now i thank him so keeping me on the side of peace than war. After becoming a doctor he asked me if i wanted to go to army. He said now i will be a healer not killer.
I consider army a form of state violence. Being a Pakistani I feel ashamed of what Pakistani army did in East Pakistan in 1971 before it became Bangladesh. I also feel embarrassed that in 1965 Pakistni and Indian army (children of same ancestors) killed each other.
To me it is all part of tribal mentality.
I think heads of states...India and Pakistan....Israel and neighboring countries need to sign peace treaties and follow them. Human history is already soaked in blood. We do not need any more killings and murders in the name of religion and patriotism
sincerely
sohail

drsohail,

"In that way they will not join the army ..."

Are you advocating disbanding of all armies?

Re: # 15
Dear Malik Rashid, Thank you for your comments and intellectually stimulating questions. I think we can have a genuine dialogue.
In my opinion human children are born with certain potential and then they are conditioned by their families, communities and cultures. Their sexual and aggressive instincts are channeled in a certain way.
I think if we have a humanistic environment where children
in their
...families
...schools
and
...communities
are taught to respect people from other cultures, religions and races then they can develop PEACE CONSCIOUNESS rather than VIOLENT CONSCIOUSNESS.
In that way they will not join the army or terrorist and extremist groups to kill others.
We still have a tribal mentality...us against...them
I am a great believer of education, that is a life long process.
I believe the goal of human evolution is to become fully human individually and collectively.
Psychotherapy for individuals who need it and public education for masses is necessary to raise social consciousness so that we can live in harmony with other groups. It is not easy to un-learn our conditioning and overcome our biases and prejudices, but it can be done if we have the right teachers and leaders of our communities and countries.
i hope I answered some of your questions. I am interested in your ideas as well.
sincerely,
sohail

Mr. Sohail,
Thanks for starting this conversation. I wonder if my questions below make any direct relevance to your article.
Can we tame the innate fear and greed to make them benign?
Is sending army to far away lands for economic or strategic interest, a manifestation of collective fear or greed?
Are these ordinary individual feelings of fear and greed translated into mass murders e.g. Hindu/Muslim or Hutu/Tutsi?
Is a sexual predator necessarily a murderer?
Besides individual psycho-therapy, are there any collective measures that could help?

Re: # 1

Khyber Pass (I guess you know what the expression means now)!

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary."

Albert must have been stoned or resting in the lap of his mistress when he uttered that!

"In the recent past, Western governments have been sending their armies to other countries and invading sovereign states in order to topple their governments; they have killed innocent civilians and then rationalized their murders in the name of democracy, human rights and freedom."

Why don't you openly condemn Mrika, Kanda, Birth-ania, and their allies for destroying our lands?

If Masadi looks for the US elite under his bed every time he wakes up, parthaab looks for a woman under his bed. Both are paranoid and sick and need immediate treatment.

"...especially children and women..."

I noticed your misandric bias, Mr. psycho!

But on a less angry note, let me tell you that men have no judicial or social sympathy at all, even if they are subjected to violence of any kind - especially the common mental variety at home.

However, this is so common, that there is a name to it - hen-pecked. This term has so fascinated males all over the world, that recently, there was even a Supreme Court observation, advising all men to live subjugated to the women in their family!


WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!

Religion is a Label only ....Faith is not .Dont generalise religion for practitioneer and devout

Please refer to the SAAB gallery I have posted to understand the following:


For those of you who do not know the significance of "and as Kulharee would say, as he rides on a donkey headed for Landi Kotal, " Fresh lemonade 5 cents saab", know that Kulharee operates a juice factory in Pakistan, which as capitalism collapses is going to go under very very soon, and of course the brown sahib will be the first fired after blacks according to the color shade requirements of US corporate employment and when he loses his job, his whiter than snow wife will leave him and take his kids with her, then the law will clamp down on his sending him to Landi Kotal where he will ride a donkey all day long selling juice which he hand made from the excess concentrate that now rots in his closed factory.....how's that for creative writing and fortune telling...wait and see....

Re: # 1

Khyber sb. Difference between philosopher and illiterate is same as ordinary peasent and Einstein .Less than 1/4th of population run the show .and less than 25% of those who do not run are literate .And again literacy does not mean rationality which is irrespective of reading writing & speaking .Be realistic

Masadi yaar, relax. Take a deep breath. I doubt anybody wishes to have you banned. You have too much value -- if nothing else, then you are worth your weight in golden humor!

BTW, be careful or folks may cite you as reason number eight! :)

#1, who the F is Albert Einstein to be talking about matters that have absolutely ZERO to do with what he did his research in? Please explain this BS to me. People like that THUG, Albert Einstein, reveal themselves to be THUGS when they try to comment authoritatively on areas much beyond their area of expertise. The MORON doesn't know what social ties are, he doesn't know how morals develop,he has no clue about culture or the fact that sympathy is RELATIVE- relativity moron, and that the rich and privilaged have monopolized it and nobody even feels sympathy for the impoverished and as a result we have worthy and unworthy victims. WE NEED in the face of such elite manipualted relativity standars based on justice and in that the authority of religion is much greater than the authority of a physicist- there top that Einstein!

TNITC masadi

Tahmed rather than cheerleading for this Hindu bigot wannabe get some morals yourself maybe then you can begin to see the light....

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A character in Dostoevsky’s novel says, it is only man who can kill just for sport. He was not talking about animals; he meant killing other humans. He was describing war atrocities where the victorious warriors would tear apart a pregnant woman and throw the baby in the air and catch it on the spear and like. How sad and pathetic.

It is true man kills on various pretexts, but he also manipulates pretexts with ulterior motives. It is simplistic to say that only religion is responsible for violence. There are other forces behind the scenes that use religion to incite violence to promote their self-interests. I believe forgetting that fact is like treating illness for symptoms only and ignoring the underlying causes.

Man's inability to stem the violence (as is evident from the fact that last hundred or so years have seen more killings than any other epoch) is intriguing in itself and defies the logic. What then all the so called progress and civilization has given us and what lessons this state of affair it is begging us to learn?

Interestingly, (or ironically) the ending of the article echoes the famous edited verse of Quran(5:32) "...whosoever kills a human being … it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saves a life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind,."

Mutaal Mooquin

#1 great quote!!

'SECULARISM: "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." --Albert Einstein''
I think religions (all of them)are more responsible for fanaticism and killing people.
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