Dost Mittar June 12, 2009
#97 Posted by Pew_Research on June 15, 2009 4:49:36 pm
Re: # 95 Tahmed
"...if attacks on the indian parliament are a fact, then the illegal takeover of kashmir by india is a fact too..."
Aha! There we have it - a justification for the use of terror as an instrument of state policy to advance political interests! Shahbash!
"...if attacks on the indian parliament are a fact, then the illegal takeover of kashmir by india is a fact too..."
Aha! There we have it - a justification for the use of terror as an instrument of state policy to advance political interests! Shahbash!
#98 Posted by tahmed32 on June 15, 2009 5:01:09 pm
Pew Research: Tell that to the Obama. Maybe he will make a speech denouncing Pakistan as a terrorist state.
#99 Posted by pmishra2 on June 15, 2009 5:02:10 pm
#97
You forgot to mention "root cause" - as in "it doesnt matter 100s were killed in Mumbai, we should first consider the root cause". Meaning - violent terrorism is OK if we can find some justification or the other for it.
Strangely, now that 100s are being killed in pakistan, no one is interested in the "root cause". They just want to get rid of the murderers. Similarly situation in Saudi Arabia, once suicide attacks became common, they stopped their bakwaas about "root cause".
You forgot to mention "root cause" - as in "it doesnt matter 100s were killed in Mumbai, we should first consider the root cause". Meaning - violent terrorism is OK if we can find some justification or the other for it.
Strangely, now that 100s are being killed in pakistan, no one is interested in the "root cause". They just want to get rid of the murderers. Similarly situation in Saudi Arabia, once suicide attacks became common, they stopped their bakwaas about "root cause".
#100 Posted by tahmed32 on June 15, 2009 5:04:53 pm
sri ram pmishra: life is tough for you hindus. first you get ruled for 1000 years by anyone with time to spare and drop by the subcontinent. and now no one buys your "islam is evil" card either.
#101 Posted by juror on June 15, 2009 5:14:53 pm
masadi opened his filthy mouth again.ignorant is back on chowk.
#102 Posted by juror on June 15, 2009 5:17:01 pm
Re: # 94masadi u r a frustrated psycho man,u could not afford education in US that why u r cant shut ur mouth.
#103 Posted by RiazHaq on June 15, 2009 5:20:52 pm
Re: # 97
It seems to me that Obama and the Americans are getting wiser about "war on terror". They are developing a more subtle, nuanced understanding of it after denouncing almost all violence as "terrorism" since 911. That obviously creates problems for Bush allies like Israel and India, who have been getting away with murder of innocent Muslims for too long under the cover of "war on terror".
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
It seems to me that Obama and the Americans are getting wiser about "war on terror". They are developing a more subtle, nuanced understanding of it after denouncing almost all violence as "terrorism" since 911. That obviously creates problems for Bush allies like Israel and India, who have been getting away with murder of innocent Muslims for too long under the cover of "war on terror".
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#104 Posted by BJ2 on June 15, 2009 5:26:27 pm
India is a separate country from the USA. Each has its foreign policies tailored to its own national interests. There is no reason for the USA to be singing the praises of India and vice-versa.
USA has virtually no leverage over India on Kashmir, even if it wanted to exert it. I think the USA is well aware of it. Plus there is little to be gained from Pakistan by trying to be "tough" toward India -- the Pakistani khakis are already doing the US bidding and the Pakistani public appears to be irretrievably lost to the US. If at all the US does anything along those lines, it will merely reflect the immaturity (Milliband style) of a greenhorn administration -- but they are quick learners -- so will likely correct themselves quickly (anybody remember how "Af-Pak" was coined and "India" dropped from Holbrooke's portfolio?)
USA has virtually no leverage over India on Kashmir, even if it wanted to exert it. I think the USA is well aware of it. Plus there is little to be gained from Pakistan by trying to be "tough" toward India -- the Pakistani khakis are already doing the US bidding and the Pakistani public appears to be irretrievably lost to the US. If at all the US does anything along those lines, it will merely reflect the immaturity (Milliband style) of a greenhorn administration -- but they are quick learners -- so will likely correct themselves quickly (anybody remember how "Af-Pak" was coined and "India" dropped from Holbrooke's portfolio?)
#105 Posted by KHYBER on June 15, 2009 5:33:44 pm
Re: # 103RiazHaq saab,I agree but pushing Taliban from Afghanistan to FATA will not solve the problem either,they need to crush Taliban both in Pakistan(FATA) and Afghanistan.India sat on former Soviet Union lap for decades and I don't think India is important tool for Washington.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
#106 Posted by RiazHaq on June 15, 2009 5:51:45 pm
Re: # 105
I think the tide has begun to turn against the Taliban because of the popular support for Pak military ops in north west. I see that both the civilian and military leadership are now taking a much tougher line against the Talibs that will begin to show results in future. But it's not going to be quick or easy.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
I think the tide has begun to turn against the Taliban because of the popular support for Pak military ops in north west. I see that both the civilian and military leadership are now taking a much tougher line against the Talibs that will begin to show results in future. But it's not going to be quick or easy.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#107 Posted by Pew_Research on June 15, 2009 5:55:19 pm
Re: # 98 Tahmed
"...Tell that to Obama..."
I don't understand what your point is. Obama, in fact, has outdone India and George Bush when it comes to focusing on the Afghan war. During his election campaign he dared Bush to increase the heat on Pakistan and in his recent Pak aid bill, he has added accountability strings that Bush did not. Further, he has personally approved the strategy of increased drone attacks in NWFP despite Pakistani protests.
"...Tell that to Obama..."
I don't understand what your point is. Obama, in fact, has outdone India and George Bush when it comes to focusing on the Afghan war. During his election campaign he dared Bush to increase the heat on Pakistan and in his recent Pak aid bill, he has added accountability strings that Bush did not. Further, he has personally approved the strategy of increased drone attacks in NWFP despite Pakistani protests.
#108 Posted by harish_hyd on June 15, 2009 8:07:19 pm
#103 by RiazHaq
That obviously creates problems for Bush allies like Israel and India, who have been getting away with murder of innocent Muslims for too long under the cover of "war on terror".
OK, quiz time. Let's see if Riaz mian can answer this.
1. Which "Muslim" country has the unique distinction of killing more of its own citizens than any other country? Clue: the killings happened to the east of India.
2. Which is the only "Muslim" country in the whole wide world to be using helicopter gunships against its own citizens who happens to be Muslim too? Clue: that country happens to be to the west of India.
Since Pakis are not all that great at either General Knowledge or accepting facts, here's the answer: P A K I S T A N.
Morons!
That obviously creates problems for Bush allies like Israel and India, who have been getting away with murder of innocent Muslims for too long under the cover of "war on terror".
OK, quiz time. Let's see if Riaz mian can answer this.
1. Which "Muslim" country has the unique distinction of killing more of its own citizens than any other country? Clue: the killings happened to the east of India.
2. Which is the only "Muslim" country in the whole wide world to be using helicopter gunships against its own citizens who happens to be Muslim too? Clue: that country happens to be to the west of India.
Since Pakis are not all that great at either General Knowledge or accepting facts, here's the answer: P A K I S T A N.
Morons!
#109 Posted by nkg on June 15, 2009 8:08:29 pm
DM...
I am not sure, how this travel advisory may effect on India...Once the GE,Intel,IBM,HP, Oracle,Boeing etc, decides that India is safe country, the Govt. advisory makes not much dufference...I am seeing students from US university visiting our campus in Bangalore...
I am not sure, how this travel advisory may effect on India...Once the GE,Intel,IBM,HP, Oracle,Boeing etc, decides that India is safe country, the Govt. advisory makes not much dufference...I am seeing students from US university visiting our campus in Bangalore...
#110 Posted by tahmed32 on June 16, 2009 12:04:30 am
Pew Research: My point was that Obama does not see the India-Pakistan situation the same way the Indians would like him to see it.
#111 Posted by tahmed32 on June 16, 2009 12:09:33 am
harish: quiz for you
1. which is the only country in the world where mobs are formed to attack those belonging to a minority religion?
2. which is the only country in the world that is disappointed when someone speaks respectfully of Islam and muslims?
let me spell it for you: I N D I A
1. which is the only country in the world where mobs are formed to attack those belonging to a minority religion?
2. which is the only country in the world that is disappointed when someone speaks respectfully of Islam and muslims?
let me spell it for you: I N D I A
#112 Posted by harish_hyd on June 16, 2009 12:29:45 am
#111 by tahmed32
Why am I not surprised? You will hem and haw, hop and skip but never ever address the fact that your army (is it because your dad belonged to it too?) carried out one of the worst massacres, second perhaps only to the holocaust, and that too of fellow Muslims, all because they were a shade darker than you.
Mob attacks in India happen because there are sizeable minorities. Unlike you, we have not eliminated or converted them to our religion. So next time you bring it up, please understand that mob attacks don't happen in Pakistan because you don't need mobs.
which is the only country in the world that is disappointed when someone speaks respectfully of Islam and muslims?
There is a reason why people ridicule you. I read through that board and you (and only you!) completely got it wrong. Truly, you've lost your marbles to have read it differently from everyone else.
Why am I not surprised? You will hem and haw, hop and skip but never ever address the fact that your army (is it because your dad belonged to it too?) carried out one of the worst massacres, second perhaps only to the holocaust, and that too of fellow Muslims, all because they were a shade darker than you.
Mob attacks in India happen because there are sizeable minorities. Unlike you, we have not eliminated or converted them to our religion. So next time you bring it up, please understand that mob attacks don't happen in Pakistan because you don't need mobs.
which is the only country in the world that is disappointed when someone speaks respectfully of Islam and muslims?
There is a reason why people ridicule you. I read through that board and you (and only you!) completely got it wrong. Truly, you've lost your marbles to have read it differently from everyone else.
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