A Difficult Code

Re: # 22
nkg

How easily you have forgotten who are destitute and concentrated the debate to only tribals. What about the destitute? Why not L N Mittal and people of the ilk? You should have a voice only if you can woo them to get this out of the hand of missionaries. You take your proposal to the government also. This is certainly not EMOTIONAL STUPID STUFF. THIS IS A CHALLENGE AND AN ATTEMPT TO AWAKEN THE SLEEPING. And if SC/ST are doing it, let them do it for Hindu rich. They will remain Hindu. To stop a bigger sin, let us do a little smaller sin.

Re: # 21
anand....
Tribals are neither destitute nor they are orphaned....
Some of them are selling their identity for the sake of money etc...

Do you know the reason behind riots in Kandhamal?
The people convert to Christianity and then use ST reservation to get Govt. jobs...If Jesus is with them, why don't these people stop taking the Government extended help?

Why LN Mittal etc. have to do that? In ideal society, we all are paying tax and Govt. should take care of this problem (health care and education).

Can you please come out of this emotional stupid stuff?
Because I am providing service, I have to force people to desert their culture? Is this ethical?
And BTW, I am not defending VHP also. They are also in the same business, but at least, they don't create zone, which is slave to some alien land....

Re: # 20
I repeat what I have been doing since the publication of this story;
If Hindus have such a redoubtable and violent reactions to this, then my dear friends, in the global list of rich people, Laxmi Niwas Mittal, Ambanis, KP Singh and plenty of names appear at or near the top. If you don’t want to help your destitute orphaned Hindu boys, then ask the above richest Hindus of above list to come forward and depute a manager to do the same what missionary is doing" Then the cultural identity, dilution of souls all will be saved in addition to these destitute minors having food and shelter. If you can't get it done, then let it be done by missionaries, even if soul and culture is wounded. A human can not be allowed to die of hunger and rot on a road.

Re: # 18
anand...
The tribal conversion or conversion of low caste people is not matter of something "Hindu"...It is matter of how, state is protecting culture and identity of the vulnerable secion of society...Now, you know the consequence of this type of conversions...Look at the country, west of India...A place started building cities is now slave state to middle eastern countries and arab barbarism. The rich cultural and liguistic heritage of 1000s of years is on the verge of extinction....do you want similar stuff happens in India?...medieval darkness/barbarism replace our nice cultural heritage?

Re: # 13
Anand...
" also fail to understand why certain sections of Hindus are so indignant about the missionary conversion. Is the missionary converting well to do educated person in well paying jobs. They are finding destitute, nonplussed young boys who don’t have food and shelter. Missionary is converting them and giving them shelter, food and work too...."

Exactly, that is the reason, people object this type of conversion...If EC bans political parties for buying vote, why not these missionaries? It is very much unethical...

Cheating poor illiterate people and taking away their culture is like violating human rights....

Pakistan survives on entire dole from USA. Will the protestant church tell Pakis to convert to Christianity ( that will be boon for paki muslas, anyway)?

Re: # 17
YOU SEEM TO BE A NOT VERY WISE YOUNG MAN MR LADDU. READ WHAT I WROTE IN THE COMMENT
"If Hindus have such a redoubtable and violent reactions to this, then my dear friends, in the global list of rich people, Laxmi Niwas Mittal, Ambanis, KP Singh and plenty of names appear at or near the top. If you don’t want to help your destitute orphaned Hindu boys, then ask the above richest Hindus of above list to come forward and depute a manager to do the same what missionary is doing". WHY DON'T YOU WOO THESE RICH PEOPLE TO DO WHAT MISSIONARIES ARE DOING? THEN THE SOUL AND RELIGION BOTH OF THE BOY WILL BE SAVED. IT IS SHAME ON YOU THAT SUCH SIMPLE THING AFTER MY EXPLAING AGAIN AND AGAIN DOES NOT FIND IT'S WAY INTO YOUR DUMB SKULL.

Re: # 13

"Missionary is converting them and giving them shelter, food and work too."

ah, so the deceit of giving food for converting into the one-dog religions is all right?

so, any one should giving food and shelter should have a claim over the soul of a person?

There can be nothing more horrible than this - it is iworst than prostitution. Atleast a prostitute only sells her body for food- you want people to sell their souls for food!!

shame on evangelists like you!!

Re: # 13
This long report says about Hindus being wronged in Bangladesh. So what I am saying? If you are taking the example of Bangladesh and expect equal human rights treatment from fake democracies or military ruled countries, then let India too become a military ruled country or a fake democracy. Then don’t say India is secular and religiously tolerant.

Re: # 12
This you say, but then why police was after Dara Singh. The police should have arrested the Priest if it were so. Who is Dara Singh to burn a human being alive with his family?

Re: # 10
Australian racism is nothing to do with Mumbai events, but the two chain of events rest on similar foundations.
I have read in national newspapers about MNS or Shiv Sena objecting to owning a house in Mumbai by a non-maharashtrian. Do you to Mr Bal Thakery or Mr Raj Thackery to know whether they have made a certain statement? You know this through newspapers.

Hindi may not be official language of BMC, but Mumbai denizens are south Indians, north Indians and from everywhere besides of course a large part of Maharastrians. Mumbai is a cosmopolitan city from time immemorial. Since Hindi films have made Hindi popular allover the country, so a popular language is suggested. But does this weaken your first rights to owning Mumbai. In Chennai, Tamils have first rights. In Bihar, Biharis have first rights.

If you might have read my story The Third View, you might have read that Mumbai is a land of rich people- the richer a man, more facilitated he is. This is irrespective of his being maharashtrian or anybody else. The poor or the have-not are alien in Mumbai. You want to say that a maharashtrian rich businessman is finding himself alien in Mumbai.

Who does win in politics without rallies?

Re: # 9
Dear readers,
I fail to understand why Jehad word is repeatedly being broached. I also fail to understand why certain sections of Hindus are so indignant about the missionary conversion. Is the missionary converting well to do educated person in well paying jobs. They are finding destitute, nonplussed young boys who don’t have food and shelter. Missionary is converting them and giving them shelter, food and work too. If Hindus have such a redoubtable and violent reactions to this, then my dear friends, in the global list of rich people, Laxmi Niwas Mittal, Ambanis, KP Singh and plenty of names appear at or near the top. If you don’t want to help your destitute orphaned Hindu boys, then ask the above richest Hindus of above list to come forward and depute a manager to do the same what missionary is doing. You say they have used a Hindu sounding name Anand Mahajan. Now do you want to know my Indian passport number, my driving license no and PAN no. I have been a government engineer for a long time. If these lines are yet further irritating you, then please let me know. I will give you my residential details also. The last resort is to arrange a Supari killer for me. For convenience of your Supari Killer, I will come to the place and time convenient to your killer

A terrifying existence

Richard L Benkin

Why this silence on organised anti-Hindu violence in Bangladesh?

Reports began trickling out of Bangladesh this spring about an anti-Hindu violence in the heart of its capital carried out in three stages: March 30, April 17, and April 29. A community of approximately 400 Hindus was reportedly going about its business when “hundreds of Muslims” suddenly descended on them and demanded they quit the homes where they and their families had lived for the past 150 years. Witnesses also report that police watched passively while attackers beat residents and destroyed a Hindu temple.

And although every Hindu, as well as the international community, should have reacted with horror and outrage, neither did.

The Bangladeshi Government denied that any such thing happened, and local police captain Tofazzal Hossain declared, “No demolition of temple occurred. There was no temple there, only a few idols.” Yet, sources for the charge — Global Human Rights Defence at The Hague and the Bangladesh Hindu, Buddhist, Christian Unity Council, as well as several local human rights groups and newspapers — are highly credible, prompting our two-month investigation that confirms something terrible did occur, even if not exactly as described by initial reports.

For while not all 400 Hindus were made homeless, a significant number were, which is tragic enough, especially since many remain so months later. Nor has the Bangladeshi Government even bothered to deny that Hindus were beaten, some religious desecration occurred, or that police were present during the attacks. We also confirmed that the area attacked was located directly behind the Sutrapur Police Station in Dhaka and the Shiv Mandir only about 18 m from it; yet, the police did nothing to stop its destruction.

This is not about one terrible event, but about a system of legalised ethnic cleansing that has proceeded non-stop for decades and which places every one of Bangladesh’s 13,000,000-15,000,000 Hindus at risk. For despite Government protestations to the contrary, normal legal protections are suspended for Hindus and other minorities in Bangladesh who are often subject to arbitrary actions by the Muslim majority.

Two Hindus, Jogesh Chandra and Taraknath Das, originally owned the land in Sutrapur. They migrated to India in 1947 but before doing so, gifted it to the remaining Hindus; most of them their former servants. A local Muslim, Mahbubur Rahman, tried for years to seize it but could not produce the necessary legal fiction. But after Rahman’s death, his brother and nephews determined to do what he could not because they were politically well-connected.

They used their position to prevail upon police to demand written proof of ownership from the Hindus, which all parties knew they could not provide given their impoverished state and the nature of partition-era transactions. Nevertheless, that was all the Government needed to secretly void the Hindus’ title using Bangladesh’s Vested Property Act. This empowers the Government to declare any ‘non-Muslim’ land vested once its ownership is questioned, no mater how flimsy the pretext, and award it to any Muslim who then can seize it, as was done in Sutrapur.

Next, the police refused to pursue any prosecution in the matter, even though at least three separate crimes were committed: Land seizure, beatings, and religious destruction. The GHRD and other groups have lodged formal protests and brought the matter to Dhaka’s Metropolitan Police Commissioner, but he also “refused to take any action against the perpetrators of crime,” according to GHRD’s Jenny Lundstrom.

Nor did the cover-up stop there. Mr Zakir Hossain, chief executive of local human rights group, Nagorik Uddyog, told me that his organisation appealed to the Bangladeshi Parliament and Awami League MP Shuranjit Sengupta, but neither he nor his party has taken any action. All of the Bangladeshi officials I contacted refused to comment on the incident.

It would appear that these enforcers of the law have become enforcers of lawlessness, abetting crimes against minorities and sending a message that Bangladesh is a country where the law gives Muslims preferential treatment even if it means ignoring elementary standards of justice.

This explains how Muslims have been able to seize 75 per cent of all Hindu-owned land in Bangladesh. It also means that the reduction of Hindus from almost 30 per cent of the population to nine per cent has been no accident but a deliberate process of ethnic cleansing, which if unchecked, will rid Bangladesh of its remaining Hindu population in our lifetime. And nobody seems to care; the world’s self-appointed human rights arbiters remain shamefully silent.

Meanwhile, dozens of Hindu victims from Sutrapur, including mothers and their children, remain homeless. The lucky ones are flopping in different slums each night, but for others, as one victim put it, “We are now passing a miserable life with no home and very little to eat.”

Perhaps Americans and Europeans will think of her the next time they purchase a garment labelled, “Made in Bangladesh.”

-- The writer campaigns for minority rights in Bangladesh.

Re: # 10
haris,anand...
Graham steins episode is story of typical mumbai urdoo/hindi movie...
He cheated people with bringing Jesus in everything....
Antibiotics as gift from Jesus
Putting vehicle in handbrake and then telling them to shout Jesus and then releasing the handbrake...
The list was growing and this Blue colored fox was punished by the local people, when they found his true color...If he was such a great person, people would have protested his death and even mourned...

#7 by ANANDMAHAJAN

Ironically, the Priest and his family, who were burnt alive some years back in Orrisa, were Australians. Unlike India , they was no turmoil in the media in Australia after this incident in the proportions it was here in the aftermath of Australian racism.

Mahamoron, it was ONE Aussie missionary. If only ONE attack on an Indian had taken place in Australia, no one would really have bothered. Is it so difficult for you to understand the difference?

If an Australian missionary converts an underprivileged Hindu by giving him a better life, and if this is not acceptable to Hindu fundamentalists, they come forward friends, and do it yourself; give the underprivileged better life yourself with your own funds.

Why does the missionary have to convert the underprivileged Hindu? If giving the Hindu a better life is important, one could have helped him (and others like him) without that caveat of conversion, no? While Graham Staines' didn't really deserve to be burned alive, the fact is that missionary activities do incite extreme reactions amongst Hindus and he was an unfortunate victim of one such reaction.

Anand...
What is happening in Australia is something very unfortunate have nothing to do with Mumbai incidents....

You are Maharashtrian. Have you listened to the point made by MNS or Siv Sena?

Why Hindi should be official language of BMC?

Why a Marathi have to feel, he is in alien land on the state capital?

Why Bihari/UP Leaders have to organise mass political rally supporting a condidate in Mumbai?

Is Australia as cramped as Mumbai and is migration of Indians contributing law and order problem?

The day all this nonsense about soul harvesting ends and there is nothing to "convert" , the day all this jehad and evangelism through deceit, bribery, violence and lies would end.

The day every person tries to save HIS OWN SOUL, that is the day there would be no need for evangelists to use deception (of hindu sounding name Anand Mahajan) and lies in order to spread hatred in the world.

Down with these soul enslaving worshippers of Satan!!