A Prescription for the BJP's Revival

Re: # 515

yeah, but don't mention this to sri ram mullah32...

Re: # 506
Jinnah's pro-British stance supplied the British Army with Punjabi soldiers. The war consumed all resources and people died of hunger in Bengal. Subhash Chander Bose was a revolutionary hero of the Indian war of Independence against colonialism. His alliance with Nazis and his death are unfortunate events but his will for freedom is legendary.

Re: # 425

Tahmed sahib:

"...the biggest danger to India and Pakistan is not even mutual distrust and suspicion. it is the same danger facing all humanity - that which cannot be named..."

What do you mean "that which cannot be named"?

I have seen this distrust and suspician between individuals and find it so deep rooted, as if it is in the DNA. One does not find others response or question wrong, it is just natural. Any exception are considered as mutation of the DNA.

In most cases it is unspoken, understood and accepted, in others it is very vocal on Chowk.

Goldfinger,

Lol!
Proud marital races losing to starving hindus., not once, but repeatedly. Kuch to sharam karo!

Too bad wars arent fought with swords

#506:
So Bose is wrong because he didn't follow Mao Tse Tung's example ? Is this the same hero who is responsible for the deaths of 20 million of his own compatriots ? I'd imagine Bose deserves kudos for differing with such a monster.

Yes, I am well aware of the rape of Nanking. Are *you* aware of British retaliations after 1857 ? Or of Jallianwala Bagh ? And here's one you should look into - the Mau Mau revolt and how the Brits dealt with that. This was in the 1950s.

Post WWII history was written by the British-American victors. Read it with a healthy dose of scepticism. All colonial powers were scum. That is what absolute power does. Please don't follow Riaz-jee in harbouring delusions about "meray baday bhai saab" (the Chinese in his case.)

Re: # 509

Shankar,

While I certainly do not wish to evoke bad memories for you...but what have we been doing if not winning the past 1000 years?

Re: # 507 GF
[..Chinese drive tanks over people, eat them alive, or what?...]

Actually chinese did eat people - dead ones... during the starvation days of Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward - cannibalism was practiced across the starving country-side...

As for 1962 war - Indian soldiers fought to their stength, even with lack of proper equipment... You haven't seen chinese attack on indian territory since then, have you?...

China may be powerful can-do-no-wrong super-heroes for you pakis - but for us they are just people, who have their strengths and weaknesess... you worship chinese, we don't...

The chinese know that as well, ask them... recently they have been complaining about how india is acting superior because of our "superior political system"... yeah, that's what they think - we have "superior political system"... Ha...

Goldfinger,

You guys should win a war FIRST before putting down Indian soldiers cowards. You guys have been repeatedly kicked upside down by these same "cowards".

Riaz,

{{clearly Amir and Irfan are not particularly smart analysts.}}

And you are?!!

You are the biggest spin doctor on Chowk. Anybody, foreign or domestic, that criticizes Pakistan is dismissed as biased, dumb, or part of a hindu-jewish conspiracy!

BTW, the term India shinning is giving you too much khujli. The Indian electorate threw out the BJP because they used "India Shinning" as a slogan. So stop scratching.

At least India isnt in the "top 10 failed states" list.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/images/090624_2009_final_data.pdf

I'm just dying to see how you spin this..

Re: # 456

Riaz sahib,

Speaking of India-China comparison, you might recall that once their illusions of grandeur and folly led the Indians into total annihilation. The Indians wished to fight bravely, but instead were part of a terrible rout. Do you remember the drubbing the Indians received in 1962 when they started feeling a bit too uppity for their boots...and started to indulge in a little war with the Chinese...however it soon turned into a shameful farce...the bravery of the Indian soldiers has become famous in the speed they ran away from the Chinese by just hearing the whisper "Chinese!"...it is known that just that one word was enough to induce sprints amongst Indian soldiers away from the field of battle which could create record times for sprints in the Olympic games in people otherwise too ungifted to do so in the real games...I wonder if they were doing this because they thought that the Chinese drive tanks over people, eat them alive, or what? The Chinese were flabbergasted...they didn't know what to do with the brand new equipment the Indian soldiers left behind in their wake.

ellora #504: i think i explained where i was coming from on this when i wrote "that if the japs had won, they would have treated indians the way they treated other conquered nations". There is nothing hypothetical here - it wasnt without reason that asian leaders like Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh and Soekarno, instead of following Bose's route, chose to declare a temporary truce with the colonial powers and to fight the japanese. Nor is the reason hard to find - read the Rape of Nanking (written by a chinese woman that documents japanese atrocities there), or ask Philipinos about japnaese occupation.

And even if the brits left totally due to weakness after their total victory over the Axis powers (a doubtful proposition anyway when you think about it) rather than due to the mass movement led by british-educated politicians in india - that makes Jinnah's pro-british stand all the more logical and the Congress Quit India movement all the more absurd.

What I find interesting is how such obvious realities seem to have been ignored in India and Bose is still held to be some kind of a hero rather than a fool at best and a traitor to his own people if he wasnt a total fool being used by the Japanese and Nazis.

Riaz#503:

I am sure both of them value peace and stability. Pointing to empirical reality of Pakistan benefiting from geopolitical situation does not mean they do not value peace and its value. Both of them would want to avoid confrontation with India on Kashmir, while maintaining Pakistan's claim.

#472:
Tahmed32, I am a bit puzzled by the tone of this posting. It almost sounds like you are offended that some ungrateful Indians would have dared to resist (betray ?) the heroic British who were on a mission to... what ?.... bring peace and happiness to humankind ?

The Brits were in India for their own interests. They fought Nazis and Japanese for their own interests. And they treated Indians like sub-humans. Speculating on what the Japanese would have done had they won is an interesting but pointless exercise since we don't know the precise circumstances of this imaginary win. The reason the Brits left India is because the war beggared them, not because they suddenly saw the error of their ways.

On the other hand, they continued to act like the racist bigots they were in Africa for years afterwards.

Re: # 493
Dost
clearly Amir and Irfan are not particularly smart analysts.
They both fail to see the benefits of peace and stability.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

(wheels of justice move - very, very slowly)




Many a drama at Liberhan hearings

The Liberhan Commission -- the country's longest running inquiry panel -- saw its own share of high drama during its 17-year probe into Babri Masjid demolition and once had a tough time dealing with a Bajrang Dal leader's foul language.

Will LK Advani come under fire?

Vinay Katiyar, during his deposition, used foul language and went to the extent of saying that the report of the Commission will be useless and gather dust on official shelves.

At one point of time during the hearing, even BJP stalwart L K Advani [ Images ] lost his cool and had lodged a protest with Justice Liberhan against the Commission's lawyer.

What BJP says on the Ayodhya report

On being pulled by Liberhan following Advani's protest, the lawyer had then stated that history would not forgive the judge if after the mountain of labour over all these years the commission finally produced a mouse. During the hearing, Advani said the 'saddest' day in his life was the day when the Babri Masjid was demolished.

Four years ago, the hearings of the Commission concluded but two years ago a controversy broke out with the Commission's counsel Anupam Gupta dissociating himself from it owing to personal differences with Justice Liberhan.

Centre will take needy action on Ayodhya report

The commission saw a galaxy of political leaders including two former prime ministers -- V P Singh [ Images ] and P V Narasimha Rao, two former chief ministers -- Kalyan Singh [ Images ] and Mulayam Singh Yadav [ Images ], former senior union minister Murli Manohar Joshi [ Images ] and firebrand leader Uma Bharti depose before it. And some of them were not spared of a grilling by the Commission

Several top bureaucrats and police officers had also given their testimony.

Appointed by Narasimha Rao on December 16, 1992 two weeks after the demolition to ward off criticism against his government for having failed to protect the mosque, the Commission had as its last witness Kalyan Singh who was the chief minister at that time.

Singh had evaded appearance before the commission for more than 11 years by filing a petition in Allahabad High Court after taking moral responsibility for the dead. He had appeared only after the Delhi [ Images ] High Court lifted a stay order on his deposition.

#500 news for you moron. only hindu duds think they are kicking backsides when all they are doing is writing on a keyboard.

(the cout-down has now begun. the above charity response is good for your next 20 posts to me or about me. until 2010, when you get new Moron11-time Budget Approved.)