A Prescription for the BJP's Revival

Re: # 641juror...I agree that It was ZIA,ISI.HAMID GUL,SAUDI ARABIA,CIA,REAGAN,CHARLIE WILSON,who hired criminals like osma bin laden and others to fight against soviets in Afghanistan,but lets not forget that Mushy boy took millions of dollars from Bush but played double game.

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#641 Musharraf was the dictator between 2001 and 2008 - the period when these criminals ran into Pakistan after the US sent its troops after the taliban.

De Nial is a river in egypt. Dont fall into it.

Re: # 633goldfinger.... ''kha khabara de okra''...Good Morning tahmed.

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You are wrong by saying that musharraf brought the country to its knees by permitting arab/afghan/central asian criminals to enter Pakistan the results of which are before your eyes.It was ZIA,ISI.HAMID GUL,SAUDI ARABIA,CIA,REAGAN,CHARLIE WILSON,who hired criminals like osma bin laden and others to fight against soviets in Afghanistan.

#633 1 billion Chinese beg to disagree with you.

#633 GF: I am not denying any of these things my friend. Indeed, it is BECAUSE I dont trust any individual in Pakistan (or elsewhere for that matter) to not abuse his office that I call for more democracy, not less. Because democracy means checks and balances, while autocracy (in any form) means unchecked power.

And if you dont believe me, look at the "gul" that musharraf has spread the past ten years - brought the country to its knees by permitting arab/afghan/central asian criminals to enter Pakistan the results of which are before your eyes.

LONG LIVE SOCIALISM...IDIOTS ITS SOCIALISM NOT DEMOCRACY WHICH MADE CHINA STRONG.

Re: # 636 don't mind me - just an observation of the style you have taken upon yourself.

(maybe it was strong - but heck you deserve it)

Re: # 634 you the subtext of everything you say is very interesting and extremely racist, supremacist, insulting and patronising.

Your writing so far indicate you think that democracy is not suitable for the masses of Asia, and is something which is sutiable for the whiteman. And this you say living in a democracy and having enjoyed its fruits (for without the US you would be on the streets of pakistan with a begging bowl in your hand). You, Riaz, are a pathetic excuse for intelligence.

akhtoooo!

Riaz Haq sahib,

The economic collapse from 2008 onwards was a part of a global slump and has nothign to do with worse management by AAZ vis-a-vis Mush. Pls alse remember that Ayub and Mushy's regimes each fortuitiously coincided with periods of strong economic growth worldwide. And Zia's period also loads of money being reptriated by workers in the Gulf and US dollars for the jihad.

Regards

Re: # 633
GF: Unfortunately, democracy has gained the status of a major western religion whose faithful followers turn a blind eye to all its faults. The democracy bigots ignore all the negative consequences of how it is practiced.

Any crimes committed in the name democracy are completely forgiven. All the worst criticisms are reserved for those who challenge the accepted dogma.

As I said earlier, the fault lines lie between the well-fed middle class sitting higher in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and the poor and hungry stuck at the bottom of the pyramid. While well-fed middle class demand freedom to create chaos on the streets, the poor are simply looking for a piece of bread to survive.

When the so-called civil society in Pakistan launched its uncivil movement and the US sponsored amnesty for Bhutto to bring "democracy" to Pakistan, the poor lost their livelihoods in droves from economic collapse, and their hopes for a decent living were dashed yet again.

Now we have a major economic mess with very low economic growth (slower than the population growth) and the feudals in charge of Pakistani democracy are traveling the world to collect money in the name of the people. How much of it will actually get to solve the problems of the people? Very little, going by Zardari's prior track record.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 631

tahmed...are you by any chance denying the horrendous corruption and nepotism that blights our society? Are you denying the fact that our most popular politicians have become the richest of Pakistanis, but not by dint of honest and hard work, but by stealing from public exchequer and emptying government coffers? That instead of being put behind bars and the keys thrown away they are again vying for the topmost spots as the nations most popular leaders? That the system that perpetrates this ridiculousness is the deep seated oligarchy that keeps the majority of our folks stuck in problems upto their nostrils and unable to think about anything else but how to survive...while the looters keep on looting.

#550 by RiazHaq

Here's a 2003 report I was referring to:

Riaz mian, so you're still stuck in 2003? Next you'll pull up some report from 2000 and try to convince people that the WTC still stands intact! A lot has happened in the years since then Riaz mian, so wake up! The whole world (yep, even Pakistan) seems to have moved on but you seem to be going backwards.

GF #629: was your abba jee a fauji? if so, i have news for you. my abba jee was fauji too. and he recruited people through ISSB. and i remember him joking, as well as the pscyologist who interviewed them, that if a boy is good for nothing the army is a great place for him. so,with all due respect, you should try to be smarter than your father and stop talking like a half-brained fauji major about the "bloody corrupt civilians:. you seem too smart to be just another field marshall romair.

anil sahib: if pakistani newspapers reported this "failed state index", that merely means pakistani press can report on adverse comments on Pakistan. it doesnt mean that the index is not just a meaningless (do "failed states" stop ticking just like failed machinery???) term based on "indicators" (e.g. in-country refugees) that represent particular situation.

if you wish to get back to Riaz for his pointless "criticism" of India, dont drag the whole pakistani nation in with it. I never feel the need to berate all India just because a burnt pakora or an alephdud rears his head on chowk. this is chowk, place to waste time. not the place for determining the fate of nations.

Re: # 616

anil,

while your views about democracy could be commendable under ideal circumstances...however consider as to what would this system of oligarchy be called that offers the choices of illiterate thieves, thugs and murderers and looters of public exchequer, to be presented to the populace again and again to select from...and when selected these so-called democratically elected leaders perpetrate the worst dictatorship under the garb of sham democracy, perpetuate atrocities and misrule...and get richer in the process...when removed from power in the musical chairs they play...another of their mates jumps on the bandwagon to have his fun...in this process the poor are left poorer, more illiterate and unenlightened, and unable to think about anything else but how to survive in this ugly and inimical world...what good is such a democracy? obviously on paper democracy looks very nice, but after all what is important is to see the lot of the majority to be better developed, educated their health care etc...otherwise just to put a label on something and call it democracy just to look good will not do...democracy can only start to work when all those self serving thugs who pass off as great popular leaders are forever shunned from participating in elections, and the populace are enlightened enough to know what is right and what is wrong.