Am I a Skeptical Muslim?

Re: # 271: "Hijab, a personal choice of a muslim woman!!"

I am not sure if it's your absolute ignorance or deep hostility toward Muslims or just pure defensive impulses, but I just pity you for your pathetic responses.

You'd say anything and make outrageous claims just to divert attention from the tragic female genocide currently taking place in your "great democracy" with all its hollow claims to high moral values.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#264 Posted by tahir

Please clarify what you mean. You quoted an ayat from which you seem to be drawing a conclusion that is not actually there. Are you stating that Quran is the whole madhab?

“The last refuge of the deniers of the importance of the Qur'an is in this statement: 'You can't understand the Book without the ahadith!'”

Correction: You can’t understand the Book without the Sunnah (Seerat) of the Prophet. In other words an intimate knowledge of what was going on at the time in Mecca or Madina and the situation that Muslims were facing is absolutely essential for understanding the Quran. The ayats were prompted by specific events and specific circumstances and knowing those situations are the only way to understand the context of the ayats.

Re: # 272
"Mujra is the gift of islam to the mankind."

Now don't make me write another I-log about Bapu Gandhi! Your silly remark is uncalled for.

Stay sane.

Re: # 269

No, Nem, I do indulge in creative writing; check out my I-logs to see what I can did to Indus-ian film classics!

Writing is important to me, not readers' taunts.

Stay well.

Its not Islam. I think people from the middle east and north Africa would fight even if there were to be no Islam but some other religion. Its a geographical problem not religious.

Riaz,

"objectifying (as sex objects Bollywood style)) and selling of females, practices common in your great democracy."

All the above started with the advent of the dark period of islaam. Selling human being started with muslim invaders. Mujra is the gift of islam to the mankind.

#262 Posted by RiazHaq

You are crazy.

I just wanted to know how much you cared for the liberties of women in your country. Passing off hijab as a personal choice is ridiculous. What would you explain for throwing acid on the faces of the girls in Kashmir for not wearing burqa?

Problem with you is what Dost_mittar said... you turn into a beast when someone quotes from quran what you don't want to listen because you don't have an answer for that.

Hijab, a personal choice of a muslim woman!!

Romair,

Point of clarification; my reference was to the Catholic Church, i.e., a religion that attempts to control all aspects of public and private life, akin to what public Islam is in many parts of the Muslim world. While the US may be religious, it has no state religion and no favoured church. Let the Southern Baptists gain control over the US and I'm sure that it will deteriorate rapidly--at least as far as overall economic performance (tech innovation, etc) goes.

I, and many others, consider state communism in many 'socialist' countries to be the modern version of organized religion. Works the same way and requires unquestioning faith on the part of the people.

So, let me repeat myself, until and unless the Muslim world puts public religion on the dustbin of history, where it belongs, it is never going to go anywhere. Did you know that the Jews of Istanbul used the printing press in the late-15th century but it wasn't until the mid-18th century that the first use by Muslim Turks is recorded? It seems that the ulema decreed that Allah meant man to read only a handwritten Koran....

#266 Posted by tahir

"Billy: read my latest I-log that answers it all I hope."

"NAdi naarey na jao shyam paiyan padoo"

Tahir mian, remember your interact?

You are the same old tahir mian and still write ilogs instead of writing shayri.

Hope you got it.

#245 Posted by leenah

"zahid nigah e kam say kisi rind ko na daikha kar
kia janay Uss Kareem ko tu hai kay woh pasand!"

Tahir mian, this one is for YOU.

#244 Posted by ellora

#238:
Zeeba, that was impressive. And instructive, at least for me. I have rarely seen Muslims express differences with the Koran openly - although in this day and age there is much to disagree with (as there is in every scripture).

I fully agree with you and compliment zeeba for this.

In fact, in one of his interacts, in defence of laddu or nkg, Dost_mitter has put this in a very convincing manner.

I think DM said the above gentleman was despised by the 'devout muslim chowkies' because he quoted from Quran what they did not want to hear.

Hope more muslims will have guts to call spade a spade rather than hiding behind the 'blasphemy' stuff.

In fact, tahmed32 has it in him, but when something comes from an Indian chowkie, he suddenly remembers his beards and something else!

Re: # 263
Billy: read my latest I-log that answers it all I hope.

#212 Posted by tahmed32


"as for your the last refuge of the scoundrel"

Man is known by the company he keeps. It was this same tahmed32 who was vehemently defending Riaz haq and his statistics. What a Hypocrisy!!

Re: # 260

Tehsina:

"Everything is not in the Quran and you cannot expect the whole madhab to be drawn out from there"

You utter a blasphemy! Have you not come across THIS?

(5:4) Today have I perfected your religious law for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your religion.'

Our 'deen' has been perfected (completed) as stated and you insist on licking the 'CORRECT' man-made inventions!

Allah (na'uzubillah) should have announced that 'I will send Bukhari sahib and company two hundred years later, who will further perfect your religion, and until then, live in suspended animation!'

The last refuge of the deniers of the importance of the Qur'an is in this statement: 'You can't understand the Book without the ahadith!'

What a lie, and the lie has been caught already!

Re: # 259

I never said parents are to thrash thier children, but that is happening in real life & that is how the molvis are teaching the kids & that is how I was treated & the reference is to the hadith.

now hadiths are also another issue, imam bukhari rejected over 2 million hadiths (you can correct it if you know the exact figures) while he was working on sahi bukhari, there are still plenty of "weak" or "zaeef" hadiths which are still there and these are the reason we had "satanic verses" and "rangeela rasool".

I do not understand why we are keeping these zaeef hadiths in the books cause when other confront you, they reference to these hadiths.

Hope I get this right, another point I would like to make is the coming of "mehdi", there is a 2 page introduction in abi-daud (which has plenty of zaeef hadiths in it along with abi-maja) but I have not seen any reference to "mahdi" in the first books,bukhari & muslim, the most important topic which is discussed alongside coming of issa, is not there in early books, why not?

why are we keeping zaeef hadiths in the books when we know they are?

Re: # 251
It seems you don't have a clue about the very basic idea of human rights.

Along with your fellow urban middle class Indians, you have a highly distorted sense of human rights. To you, your right to live in a democracy, however incompetent, corrupt, inefficient and flawed, trumps the right to life for females and the right to food for the hungry.

To you burqa or hijab is a bigger symbol of oppression than the killing, displaying, objectifying (as sex objects Bollywood style)) and selling of females, practices common in your great democracy.

It seems that, in spite of your claims to be for democracy and liberty, you want to regulate personal choice of females to wear hijab or burqa and you want force them all to comply with your idea of what it means to be free for a woman.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide