saeed qureshi July 2, 2009
#133 Posted by tahir on July 5, 2009 4:40:11 am
Mr. Qureshi, I'll await your response at:
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/72724/30139
If you choose not to reply, you'll stand in queue behind Dr. Khalid Sohail who ran away after begging for an open discussion!
Your turn now.
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/72724/30139
If you choose not to reply, you'll stand in queue behind Dr. Khalid Sohail who ran away after begging for an open discussion!
Your turn now.
#132 Posted by bhs75 on July 5, 2009 4:10:30 am
NKG,
I agree with your points, you missed out Sunita Williams, who holds record for most time spent on ISS (195days) & 2nd best record for time outside ISS (29 hours 17 minutes)during EVA, so she break the record for longest single spaceflight by a woman.
(now that's the kind of lady I like !!!)
Now, back to your question,
answer is simple,
India has,
better growth (development)
better access to education
better (foriegn investment)
and this has been encouraged from the start where in Pakistan, well, it has started recently & still needs a tune-up,mostly it's the girls who top in exams but then they just disappear !!! could be social could be family, I don't know, I am sure a girl in india also has to fight her way thru the system to get to the top.
we need to set it all straight, encourage females involvement in various sectors,bring down the gender wall and only then we will be able to see them rising up the channel as the indian women have.
I agree with your points, you missed out Sunita Williams, who holds record for most time spent on ISS (195days) & 2nd best record for time outside ISS (29 hours 17 minutes)during EVA, so she break the record for longest single spaceflight by a woman.
(now that's the kind of lady I like !!!)
Now, back to your question,
answer is simple,
India has,
better growth (development)
better access to education
better (foriegn investment)
and this has been encouraged from the start where in Pakistan, well, it has started recently & still needs a tune-up,mostly it's the girls who top in exams but then they just disappear !!! could be social could be family, I don't know, I am sure a girl in india also has to fight her way thru the system to get to the top.
we need to set it all straight, encourage females involvement in various sectors,bring down the gender wall and only then we will be able to see them rising up the channel as the indian women have.
#131 Posted by nkg on July 5, 2009 2:35:27 am
Re: # 121
Rainbow...
Yeh....and,so, you see such anti musla sentiments accross the world!!!!
Rainbow...
Yeh....and,so, you see such anti musla sentiments accross the world!!!!
#130 Posted by nkg on July 5, 2009 2:32:55 am
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#127 Posted by laddu on July 5, 2009 12:03:39 am
Re: # 123
Absolutely BS,
Actually now it is "God and Allah is Dead".
The world is not religious more at all. It is ONLY in Islamic world that uses political Islam to rule the common muslims that is seeing the artificially insemination of religiousity in common man.
All these Islamic countries is infested with maniacs like Riaz-ul-Haq who have used political Islam to rule over common man. They support dictators and call it the rule of nizam-e-mustafa. They are pushing their heinous agendas in the name of Halaal.
Once, these corrupt muslims are exposed, all the internet glut and Islami propaganda would end .
Then Paistani muslims would stop thinking and regurgitating their Paki School Text Books all over the internet.
Once political Islam is dsdtroyed , its ideologues like riaz-ul-haq would also be destroyed.
Absolutely BS,
Actually now it is "God and Allah is Dead".
The world is not religious more at all. It is ONLY in Islamic world that uses political Islam to rule the common muslims that is seeing the artificially insemination of religiousity in common man.
All these Islamic countries is infested with maniacs like Riaz-ul-Haq who have used political Islam to rule over common man. They support dictators and call it the rule of nizam-e-mustafa. They are pushing their heinous agendas in the name of Halaal.
Once, these corrupt muslims are exposed, all the internet glut and Islami propaganda would end .
Then Paistani muslims would stop thinking and regurgitating their Paki School Text Books all over the internet.
Once political Islam is dsdtroyed , its ideologues like riaz-ul-haq would also be destroyed.
#126 Posted by bulleya on July 4, 2009 11:47:49 pm
anil# : "Why because religion is personal matter and nothing more."
.....i am not familiar with every religion, but to the best of my knowledge, religions, generally, describe some mechanism of personal behavior and some mechanism of social (i.e. govt.) behavior also....i.e. secularism is, actually, not defined within religions.....secularism is, basically, an in-between stage, which has been defined to figure out some way of running a country.....
i doubt secularism will last too long.....it is too weak philosophically......eventually, the world will be divided between two philosophically stronger systems - religion and atheism.....europe is moving along quite quickly.....eventually usa will catch up also....i read somewhere, 14% of americans are atheists......
"The countries where it is reduced as personal matter, they have progressed. One that is undeniable is that separation of Church and State is the critical success factor. "
...as highlighted by me earlier, this is not accurate either.....there doesn't seem to be a direct relationship.......america is the most powerful western nation, but the least secular......china is atheist, and should be even more advanced than western nations, as religion would have nearly zero interference in public affairs....
reducing progress to either introducing religion or excluding it, from somewhere can only be supported by very simplistic arguments.....such arguments usually indicate the religious views of the person making the arguments - both for it or against it.......
india was a secular country, since 47, but was the basketcase of the world.....despite having a significant amount of resources.......it has, now, started making progress.......has it become more secular, and thus making progress......in my opinion, it has become less secular.....yet is making more progress......i don't think religion/secularism had anything to do with it........
.....i am not familiar with every religion, but to the best of my knowledge, religions, generally, describe some mechanism of personal behavior and some mechanism of social (i.e. govt.) behavior also....i.e. secularism is, actually, not defined within religions.....secularism is, basically, an in-between stage, which has been defined to figure out some way of running a country.....
i doubt secularism will last too long.....it is too weak philosophically......eventually, the world will be divided between two philosophically stronger systems - religion and atheism.....europe is moving along quite quickly.....eventually usa will catch up also....i read somewhere, 14% of americans are atheists......
"The countries where it is reduced as personal matter, they have progressed. One that is undeniable is that separation of Church and State is the critical success factor. "
...as highlighted by me earlier, this is not accurate either.....there doesn't seem to be a direct relationship.......america is the most powerful western nation, but the least secular......china is atheist, and should be even more advanced than western nations, as religion would have nearly zero interference in public affairs....
reducing progress to either introducing religion or excluding it, from somewhere can only be supported by very simplistic arguments.....such arguments usually indicate the religious views of the person making the arguments - both for it or against it.......
india was a secular country, since 47, but was the basketcase of the world.....despite having a significant amount of resources.......it has, now, started making progress.......has it become more secular, and thus making progress......in my opinion, it has become less secular.....yet is making more progress......i don't think religion/secularism had anything to do with it........
#125 Posted by bhs75 on July 4, 2009 11:30:50 pm
For those in favor of "one world" without a religion,
faith & religion cannot be taken out from this world,likewise, conflicts in human nature will always be there,if not because of the religion then something else but you cannot say a world without religion will be at peace.
As long as you have factors like hunger, poverty,access to education, health etc etc. around, you will always face disturbance wather at local level or at the global level, these are social though but everything is connected to another.
if you want "one world", then you will have to bring everyone to a same level, which is never going to be possible.
For a long time we've been hearing to "tolerate" one's faith/religion,but I say we must "respect" first,how can you tolerate something if you cannot respect? it all starts with it.
I do not think any religion talks about hurting your fellow being, no matter how deep no matter how fanatic they may seem, there is a message of peace in every religion, but sadly human nature tends to bend towards negative things, this does not apply to everyone but majority does.
Now a days religion is mixed with commercialism, and those who hold authority are abusing it, twisting it as they like fit and those who follow these authorities act blindly on whatever is told to them.
For Islam,being a muslim,I put the blame on our Mullas whose job was to teach & train a society but instead they took a redical approach so thier stomachs remain full all the time and religion has become a business, they have kidnapped the religion and that is why islam holds such an ugly impression over other religions now.
Likewise, I am sure there is a pandit somewhere teaching the same to hindus & rabbi preaching the same to jews and the same for christians as well.
We,as an individual have become so weak in this department that we do not figure out the truth and follow what they tell us, which is wrong, listening is another thing but to act on it,once must do his own research to make sure he is not being misled.
how many muslims pray regularly? when was the last time you had given sadqa? when was the last time you read quran with translation? how many hadeeth you know?
how many hindus worship everyday? how many read bhagwat geeta? how many remember it?
how many christians go every sunday? how many remember chapters from bible or luke or matthew?
so you see, everyone suffers weakness in thier religions cause we have forgotten our individual responsibility and commitment to the religion and we have ignored it's true essence cause we do not search on our own instead we rely on others to tell us.
as long you keep a negative approach towards another religion,as long you do not respect it, you cannot have peace on earth & that is that !!!
Peace.
faith & religion cannot be taken out from this world,likewise, conflicts in human nature will always be there,if not because of the religion then something else but you cannot say a world without religion will be at peace.
As long as you have factors like hunger, poverty,access to education, health etc etc. around, you will always face disturbance wather at local level or at the global level, these are social though but everything is connected to another.
if you want "one world", then you will have to bring everyone to a same level, which is never going to be possible.
For a long time we've been hearing to "tolerate" one's faith/religion,but I say we must "respect" first,how can you tolerate something if you cannot respect? it all starts with it.
I do not think any religion talks about hurting your fellow being, no matter how deep no matter how fanatic they may seem, there is a message of peace in every religion, but sadly human nature tends to bend towards negative things, this does not apply to everyone but majority does.
Now a days religion is mixed with commercialism, and those who hold authority are abusing it, twisting it as they like fit and those who follow these authorities act blindly on whatever is told to them.
For Islam,being a muslim,I put the blame on our Mullas whose job was to teach & train a society but instead they took a redical approach so thier stomachs remain full all the time and religion has become a business, they have kidnapped the religion and that is why islam holds such an ugly impression over other religions now.
Likewise, I am sure there is a pandit somewhere teaching the same to hindus & rabbi preaching the same to jews and the same for christians as well.
We,as an individual have become so weak in this department that we do not figure out the truth and follow what they tell us, which is wrong, listening is another thing but to act on it,once must do his own research to make sure he is not being misled.
how many muslims pray regularly? when was the last time you had given sadqa? when was the last time you read quran with translation? how many hadeeth you know?
how many hindus worship everyday? how many read bhagwat geeta? how many remember it?
how many christians go every sunday? how many remember chapters from bible or luke or matthew?
so you see, everyone suffers weakness in thier religions cause we have forgotten our individual responsibility and commitment to the religion and we have ignored it's true essence cause we do not search on our own instead we rely on others to tell us.
as long you keep a negative approach towards another religion,as long you do not respect it, you cannot have peace on earth & that is that !!!
Peace.
#124 Posted by sunil7090 on July 4, 2009 10:47:18 pm
you are the first muslim who has correctly identified all the deficiencies of islam as religion, if what taliban is doing is despicable,then what mohmed and his cohorts did 1400 years ago is equally despicable.use of religion and god for self aggradisement(not salvation)is highest in case of islam.(this problem exists in other religions also but others have relegated religion to backside of public life and politics but it aparently seems separation of religion and public life is NOT possible in islam)
#123 Posted by RiazHaq on July 4, 2009 10:22:19 pm
In 1882 Nietzsche said: "God is dead!"
In 1900 God said: Nietzsche is dead!
The world is more religious today than 1882, the year Nietzsche pronounced God dead!
There are many indications that religions are having a resurgence in almost all parts of the world with the exception of Western Europe. The world religions that have the most rapid growth rate are Islam and Evangelical Protestantism. An Islamist party now rules secular Turkey and Hindu nationalists' Hindutva ideology is continuing to gain traction in India, even though their party was defeated by Secular Congress party in the most recent elections.
Religion is increasingly becoming a force to be reckoned with, as it becomes a refuge for the fears, anxieties and desires that seem to be a response to the peculiar difficulties of life in the modern secular world.
It is likely to remain an essential part of the modern life, and its role, and interactions within the secular public domain will need to be negotiated by communities and governments around the world.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
In 1900 God said: Nietzsche is dead!
The world is more religious today than 1882, the year Nietzsche pronounced God dead!
There are many indications that religions are having a resurgence in almost all parts of the world with the exception of Western Europe. The world religions that have the most rapid growth rate are Islam and Evangelical Protestantism. An Islamist party now rules secular Turkey and Hindu nationalists' Hindutva ideology is continuing to gain traction in India, even though their party was defeated by Secular Congress party in the most recent elections.
Religion is increasingly becoming a force to be reckoned with, as it becomes a refuge for the fears, anxieties and desires that seem to be a response to the peculiar difficulties of life in the modern secular world.
It is likely to remain an essential part of the modern life, and its role, and interactions within the secular public domain will need to be negotiated by communities and governments around the world.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#122 Posted by RAINBOW09 on July 4, 2009 9:22:37 pm
After reading my three posts,think seriously and ask yourself,DO YOU NEED RELIGION ???Lets spread love and peace,in 2009 you don't need religion,tear down all worship places.
#121 Posted by RAINBOW09 on July 4, 2009 9:20:23 pm
Hinduism is the worst belief ever discovered on the History of this planet where individual insult and discrimination is unmatchable. one of the worst things about hinduism is, and always has been, the caste system.
#120 Posted by RAINBOW09 on July 4, 2009 9:14:37 pm
Christianity And Islam—Which Is The Worst?
The origins of both religions are based on the claims of two men, Jesus and Mohammed, and both men proved equally incapable of demonstrating their divine mandate. From that perspective, the two creeds are equally based on false propositions and can be classified as nothing more than lies. Throughout the Middle Ages in Europe, the Christian Church was the most militarily powerful organization in that continent. Being the largest landowner and the biggest tax collector provided the Pope with huge amounts of money, which were used to solidify his power by establishing a potent armed force.
For most of the sixty-three years of his life, Mohammed was a merchant, then a religious leader, and finally a general. He was an active military leader for ten years. While Jesus told his disciples to spread his teachings by persuasion, Mohammed ordered his followers to do it by the sword, and that is what they did once he died. They launched into one of the most enthusiastic conquering ventures the world has ever seen and forged an empire that extended from Central Asia to the southwest of Europe.
Judaism and HINDUISM are also same,both preach hate and violence like Islam and Christianity,both teachings are false.
The origins of both religions are based on the claims of two men, Jesus and Mohammed, and both men proved equally incapable of demonstrating their divine mandate. From that perspective, the two creeds are equally based on false propositions and can be classified as nothing more than lies. Throughout the Middle Ages in Europe, the Christian Church was the most militarily powerful organization in that continent. Being the largest landowner and the biggest tax collector provided the Pope with huge amounts of money, which were used to solidify his power by establishing a potent armed force.
For most of the sixty-three years of his life, Mohammed was a merchant, then a religious leader, and finally a general. He was an active military leader for ten years. While Jesus told his disciples to spread his teachings by persuasion, Mohammed ordered his followers to do it by the sword, and that is what they did once he died. They launched into one of the most enthusiastic conquering ventures the world has ever seen and forged an empire that extended from Central Asia to the southwest of Europe.
Judaism and HINDUISM are also same,both preach hate and violence like Islam and Christianity,both teachings are false.
#119 Posted by RAINBOW09 on July 4, 2009 9:04:11 pm
I hate all religions,does not matter its Islam, Judaism, Christianity,hinduism,they all have two faces,one face tells you about peace,love etc,other face preaches hate,killing ,destruction,all religions should be banned,in 2009 people don't need religion,all those who created religions were human beings like you n me,they all lied to you about talking to God, etc,they were just psycho cases who had helucinations,lets ban all the religions and world will turn into a peaceful planet.
#118 Posted by dost_mittar on July 4, 2009 7:51:32 pm
anil#116:
Kerala's experience is totally different. It is perhaps the only state where the sex ratio is more than 1000, that is there are more females per thousand males. This certainly shows the more enlightened social aspects of that state but it would be wrong to attribute it to greater literacy; although I have not seen any data (there may be some available, though), my hunch is that the problem in Delhi, Punjab and Haryana is as well spread among the more educated as it is among the less educated. Especially now that the process is illegal, it is only well-off and those with connections who can find a doctor willing to test for the gender and abort the female baby.
Kerala's experience is totally different. It is perhaps the only state where the sex ratio is more than 1000, that is there are more females per thousand males. This certainly shows the more enlightened social aspects of that state but it would be wrong to attribute it to greater literacy; although I have not seen any data (there may be some available, though), my hunch is that the problem in Delhi, Punjab and Haryana is as well spread among the more educated as it is among the less educated. Especially now that the process is illegal, it is only well-off and those with connections who can find a doctor willing to test for the gender and abort the female baby.
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