saeed qureshi July 2, 2009
#1 Posted by Humsab on July 3, 2009 1:34:03 am
As you may be knowing, there are many experts (including me) on Islam on this site. But Mr. Hamza Yousafzei is the right person to answer all your questions and clear confusion. His Aqida is firm and his passion for the causes he supports is exemplary. Rest assured a good healthy discussion will be there and all the right conclusions acceptable to all will be reached.
Otherwise in the words of Our Great Sage Mr. Jang:- 'Imperialism is the pillar of Islam.'
Otherwise in the words of Our Great Sage Mr. Jang:- 'Imperialism is the pillar of Islam.'
#2 Posted by nkg on July 3, 2009 3:35:27 am
LOL...ROTFL....@#$%^&....So, out of 1.2 billion muslas, most of the muslas do not practise ideal Islam!!!!!
Islam is not a pre-historic era concept. Neither people are unaware of activities of Mo and followers and their barbaric mischiefs...
What made the people of Saudi Arabia forgetting the message of Mo? Any specific analysis?
Islam is not a pre-historic era concept. Neither people are unaware of activities of Mo and followers and their barbaric mischiefs...
What made the people of Saudi Arabia forgetting the message of Mo? Any specific analysis?
#3 Posted by Carbon on July 3, 2009 3:35:54 am
You have a fine understanding and grasp of islam, its history. But you have only quoted the negative aspects, there were positive too, or there wouldn't have been a billion plus believers.its faith, believe and oneness of Allah with which Rasool invited the first muslims.Rasool during his lifetime completed the message of Allah. The later conflicts, life styles of rulers, infighting and so on are all political. So its your choice eventually to live with the faith or have doubts and keep on living in dilemma.
#4 Posted by akcheema on July 3, 2009 4:01:43 am
Re: # 3; carbon
your post made me laugh so much, its not funny!
some people think 'believing' is like a conscious act ... and one can decide to 'believe' at will!! what a ridiculous thought indeed ... as if one DECIDES to believe and all is ok! .. and no other components are required that would otherwise class one as a rational being! ... may be this 'believing is something one can 'outsource' too ... lol!!
reminds me of the following quote from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, by Douglas Adams:
[[The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.]] .... then he goes on to introduce his DELUXE MODEL (monk) as someone who'd belive in things (on your behalf) what they won't believe in Salt Lake City!
what a retarded way of thinking indeed!
your post made me laugh so much, its not funny!
some people think 'believing' is like a conscious act ... and one can decide to 'believe' at will!! what a ridiculous thought indeed ... as if one DECIDES to believe and all is ok! .. and no other components are required that would otherwise class one as a rational being! ... may be this 'believing is something one can 'outsource' too ... lol!!
reminds me of the following quote from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, by Douglas Adams:
[[The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.]] .... then he goes on to introduce his DELUXE MODEL (monk) as someone who'd belive in things (on your behalf) what they won't believe in Salt Lake City!
what a retarded way of thinking indeed!
#5 Posted by akcheema on July 3, 2009 4:05:27 am
as for the author Mr Qureshi ... I don't know what you have written (since I never read it) but have a fair idea .... my 'take away' message for you can be summed up as follows:
"dubito ... ergo cogito ... ergo sum"
and for those 'imaan waley' hazraat who don't know how to 'doubt' ... they may as well not exist as humans! ... since there is little difference between them and a flock of sheep or a herd of cattle!
take care
"dubito ... ergo cogito ... ergo sum"
and for those 'imaan waley' hazraat who don't know how to 'doubt' ... they may as well not exist as humans! ... since there is little difference between them and a flock of sheep or a herd of cattle!
take care
#6 Posted by tahmed32 on July 3, 2009 4:06:37 am
"Islam" today is nothing but paindoos trying to have their cake and eat it too. To rail against the west, while chewing on medicines developed in the west. To talk of the "muslim ummah vs the west" one day, and to blow up mosques of other "muslim" sects the next. To howl about "palestinian rights" and "kashmiri rights" on fridays, and to live by the rule of "might is right". To take make a virtue of the "five pillars" of Islam and of begging God for favors in order to "insure" a place in "heaven" for themselves after they have ended their miserable, hypocritical lives. To wear the hijab, while retaining the most primitive and sexually-laced filth inside their hijab-covered heads or beard-covered chins.
Hypocrisy is another name for Islam.
Hypocrisy is another name for Islam.
#7 Posted by premkranti on July 3, 2009 4:21:35 am
Believing does not make things true ...
* belief in one God - God is neither one nor many, probably transcends these
* belief in angels - neither seen nor heard, do not exist
* belief in prophets or messengers of God - well did God say so?, it is always the prophets/messengers saying that they are prophets or messengers.
* belief in the Judgment Day - Well, many Christians thought it was 2000 AD, some are saying 2012 AD now. World isnt going to end..
* belief in God’s pre- knowledge and determination of all things - Certains things transcend God's determination like Einstein's law, Newton's law, laws of thermodynamics etc etc. They are not willed by God, they are there, for us to observe.
Believe in what you may, but unfortunately, science has advanced far enough to show the hollowness of these medeival belieifs. First get over it, get rational.
Kranti
* belief in one God - God is neither one nor many, probably transcends these
* belief in angels - neither seen nor heard, do not exist
* belief in prophets or messengers of God - well did God say so?, it is always the prophets/messengers saying that they are prophets or messengers.
* belief in the Judgment Day - Well, many Christians thought it was 2000 AD, some are saying 2012 AD now. World isnt going to end..
* belief in God’s pre- knowledge and determination of all things - Certains things transcend God's determination like Einstein's law, Newton's law, laws of thermodynamics etc etc. They are not willed by God, they are there, for us to observe.
Believe in what you may, but unfortunately, science has advanced far enough to show the hollowness of these medeival belieifs. First get over it, get rational.
Kranti
#8 Posted by nkg on July 3, 2009 4:50:52 am
Re: # 3
carbon...
"...billion plus..."
Number of bipeds does not make islam good or bad....
World houses more illiterates than university grads....Does that make University grads inferior?
carbon...
"...billion plus..."
Number of bipeds does not make islam good or bad....
World houses more illiterates than university grads....Does that make University grads inferior?
#9 Posted by Carbon on July 3, 2009 5:53:34 am
Who created Taliban, the west to fight off russia, now the boys have become too bigs for their boots, so bomb them. What was americans thinking when they gave training to mulla omar in their camps.I agree that voilence is not an answer. Any kind of voilence is unacceptable. But if you come to take my house by force, I will defend it with all possible means.Its a shame to close ones logic and be bias. I can go on and talk about other faiths and their depleted ideologies but then it wouldn't do any good. So guys suck your guts.
#10 Posted by pavocavalry on July 3, 2009 5:56:46 am
brilliant summing up , all in the family , initially a struggle between banu ali and banu ummayyya and then a struggle between bannu ummayya and bani abbas.
and now we have wahhabi arab versions of islam mixed with pashtun fanaticism a dangerous combination.
strategic anarchy.
karbala to marshal law.
it is absurd to call a religion a political system.
Agha Amin
and now we have wahhabi arab versions of islam mixed with pashtun fanaticism a dangerous combination.
strategic anarchy.
karbala to marshal law.
it is absurd to call a religion a political system.
Agha Amin
#11 Posted by akcheema on July 3, 2009 5:57:57 am
Re: # 9
[[ I can go on and talk about other faiths and their depleted ideologies but then it wouldn't do any good. So guys suck your guts. ]]
FAITH itself is a retarded concept ... and that is what I alluded to
rest of your post is simply drivel
[[ I can go on and talk about other faiths and their depleted ideologies but then it wouldn't do any good. So guys suck your guts. ]]
FAITH itself is a retarded concept ... and that is what I alluded to
rest of your post is simply drivel
#12 Posted by Afat on July 3, 2009 6:10:02 am
Durust .....
"The Family Feud (Mid 400 to 610)
The Arab historian, Ibn al-Athir, (d.1210, p. 193) traced the origin of the rivalry in Islam to family feuds and jealousies long before the inception of Islam. He reported that when the great-grandfather of the Prophet Mohamed, Abd Manaf (mid 400), died, his son Hashim rather than Abd Shams assumed the responsibilities of hospitality (a cherished value and a source of prestige) and of providing water to pilgrimages to Mecca in Arabia (for a brief outline of the most important figures in the evolved conflict, see Figure 1). Abd Shams’s son, Umayya (the father of the Umayyad dynasty), sought to project himself as generous as his uncle but could not deliver and could not uphold his reputation among the elite of Mecca. This further infuriated him and subsequently he challenged his uncle to a duel. The elite of Mecca set conditions for the duel: in the event of a defeat, Umayya had to provide 50 camels for a feast and had to go into exile for ten years in al-Sham (Syria). This first incident deeply embittered the Umayyad dynasty. In fact, after the revelation of Islam to the Prophet Mohamed in 610, most members of the Umayyad dynasty were determined to force the defeat of Mohamed and the suppression of his message. At the time, Abu Sufyan, the patriarch of the Umayyad declared, “We competed with them [the family of Mohamed] . . . like two race horses. As soon as we were equal in all fronts, they announced they had a prophet with a revelation from God. When will we be able to attain the same? I swear to God, we will never believe him or his faith.” "
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http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/04/islam-sunni-shi a-split.html
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Billa tabsara
"The Family Feud (Mid 400 to 610)
The Arab historian, Ibn al-Athir, (d.1210, p. 193) traced the origin of the rivalry in Islam to family feuds and jealousies long before the inception of Islam. He reported that when the great-grandfather of the Prophet Mohamed, Abd Manaf (mid 400), died, his son Hashim rather than Abd Shams assumed the responsibilities of hospitality (a cherished value and a source of prestige) and of providing water to pilgrimages to Mecca in Arabia (for a brief outline of the most important figures in the evolved conflict, see Figure 1). Abd Shams’s son, Umayya (the father of the Umayyad dynasty), sought to project himself as generous as his uncle but could not deliver and could not uphold his reputation among the elite of Mecca. This further infuriated him and subsequently he challenged his uncle to a duel. The elite of Mecca set conditions for the duel: in the event of a defeat, Umayya had to provide 50 camels for a feast and had to go into exile for ten years in al-Sham (Syria). This first incident deeply embittered the Umayyad dynasty. In fact, after the revelation of Islam to the Prophet Mohamed in 610, most members of the Umayyad dynasty were determined to force the defeat of Mohamed and the suppression of his message. At the time, Abu Sufyan, the patriarch of the Umayyad declared, “We competed with them [the family of Mohamed] . . . like two race horses. As soon as we were equal in all fronts, they announced they had a prophet with a revelation from God. When will we be able to attain the same? I swear to God, we will never believe him or his faith.” "
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http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/04/islam-sunni-shi a-split.html
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Billa tabsara
#13 Posted by KHYBER on July 3, 2009 6:37:54 am
Re: # 6tahmed32...well siad....in Pakistan Islam has been hijacked by power hungry, hypocrites and extremely selfish political Mullahs.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
#14 Posted by nkg on July 3, 2009 6:44:32 am
Re: # 9
carbon...
Much before creation of Taliban, Islam as religion, was engaged in bloody wars with non moslems....There is no difference between the jihad, Muhammed fought or preached and these Talibs are fighting...Motivation is same, mentality is same, only the weapons are different....You are enlightened; so, you are dragging islam to different level of civilization....
carbon...
Much before creation of Taliban, Islam as religion, was engaged in bloody wars with non moslems....There is no difference between the jihad, Muhammed fought or preached and these Talibs are fighting...Motivation is same, mentality is same, only the weapons are different....You are enlightened; so, you are dragging islam to different level of civilization....
#15 Posted by laddu on July 3, 2009 6:49:37 am
Take away violence from Islam-
Is there anything that remains to hold it??
Think!!!
Is there anything that remains to hold it??
Think!!!
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