Khalid Sohail July 3, 2009
#1 Posted by KHYBER on July 3, 2009 2:07:20 pm
Very impressive and interesting article,I love studying human psychology and sociology;I did not know that AHMAD FARAZ and Sigmund Freud , Karl Marx or Viladmir Lenin,my favourite personalites, loved more than one person at the same time.
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#2 Posted by parthaab on July 3, 2009 7:12:43 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women- have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html
The reasons for more promiscuity among females than males ( 9 sexual partners for the 21 year old female, as compared to a paltry 7 ) in this study, is probably the result of mutiple factors :
Firstly, males, due to STEREOTYPING, are expected to be more promiscous and hence NOT encouraged by their parents and peers, to have sex, unlike females who are stereotyped/presumed as being 'passive', and hence in need of encouragement to engage in sex.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3796120.cms
Secondly, males are probably becoming more aware of legal and financial consequences in case their relationship goes wrong!
Hopefully, these latest findings will spare males from the onslaught of feminist inspired advertising, from domestic cleaning agents, to car insurance, to food, which all portray the male as the stupid ape, and the female as the one who provides a solution to his stupidity by using the product being advertised. This creates gender roles where women are the smart, cool, sophisticated and innocent gender, and men are the complacent, retarded, pathetic gender.
Lastly, the western females integrity needs appreciation, and is in keeping with the higher female-initiated divorce rates there too.
'In the age of promiscuity, women have more sexual partners than men. By the age of 21 they have had sex with an average of nine lovers - two more than their male partner.
And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men. Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.'
Also read : Womensinfidelity.com
WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!
#3 Posted by Regards on July 3, 2009 8:51:42 pm
Dr Sohail,
I think you're taking it too far when you say- "In my opinion those people who have low self-esteem and feel insecure and have not resolved sibling rivalry issues in their childhood have more tendency to feel jealous."
One good example may be the famous couple Jean-Paul Sartre & Simone de Beauvoir. Sartre went on to write of his adventures to her without any inhibition which can be certainly attributed to his extrovert personality and as you may say ' high esteem' of himself. But Simone was no less a person who knew clearly and made no bones of her feelings while writing ' La Condition feminine'. Was she clearly jealous or expressing a social assymetry? To me it was her own experience of 'jealousy'.
There are enough evolutionary reasons to understand why some animals have multiple partners, stay with one or have none. Genetically males are mostly useless entity and females can ensure continuity ( -parthenogenesis) or with a limited sexual participation (no amorous menifestation) of males if environment was highly stable. This is infact the case also as among Khasis and other tribes in centre or NW India.
Only reason, the males seem to be around are for ensuring quick adaptability by varying genetic material to environment which may be changing. In some cases, though environment is stabilized, still habit fossilization is there.
Where polygamy is an accepted norm, man's role may be reduced to serve multiple females. However it does not mean that sex ratio may become skewed, say for muslims 1 to 4 with time as not many males are required. It is precisely the 'jealousy' by females of their inability to pass on their genes to next generation which will push them to have more males as children. This is how they have a better shot at larger descendance as each of the boys will hopefully have many wives etc... So it always ended up stabilizing at around 50:50.
While a young person is very jealous, an older person like you, dear doctor (or myself), we can afford to justify our penchant of philandering by labelling jealousy as a sign of low life. After all you may have already passed on your genes and feel secure and generous even if you lose a partner or two.
I think you're taking it too far when you say- "In my opinion those people who have low self-esteem and feel insecure and have not resolved sibling rivalry issues in their childhood have more tendency to feel jealous."
One good example may be the famous couple Jean-Paul Sartre & Simone de Beauvoir. Sartre went on to write of his adventures to her without any inhibition which can be certainly attributed to his extrovert personality and as you may say ' high esteem' of himself. But Simone was no less a person who knew clearly and made no bones of her feelings while writing ' La Condition feminine'. Was she clearly jealous or expressing a social assymetry? To me it was her own experience of 'jealousy'.
There are enough evolutionary reasons to understand why some animals have multiple partners, stay with one or have none. Genetically males are mostly useless entity and females can ensure continuity ( -parthenogenesis) or with a limited sexual participation (no amorous menifestation) of males if environment was highly stable. This is infact the case also as among Khasis and other tribes in centre or NW India.
Only reason, the males seem to be around are for ensuring quick adaptability by varying genetic material to environment which may be changing. In some cases, though environment is stabilized, still habit fossilization is there.
Where polygamy is an accepted norm, man's role may be reduced to serve multiple females. However it does not mean that sex ratio may become skewed, say for muslims 1 to 4 with time as not many males are required. It is precisely the 'jealousy' by females of their inability to pass on their genes to next generation which will push them to have more males as children. This is how they have a better shot at larger descendance as each of the boys will hopefully have many wives etc... So it always ended up stabilizing at around 50:50.
While a young person is very jealous, an older person like you, dear doctor (or myself), we can afford to justify our penchant of philandering by labelling jealousy as a sign of low life. After all you may have already passed on your genes and feel secure and generous even if you lose a partner or two.
#4 Posted by parthaab on July 3, 2009 9:33:57 pm
Re: # 3
Regards, Yours is an EXTREMELY STEREOTYPED viewpoint. A child is born with HALF his genes obtained from either of his OR HER parent. if indeed males were 'useless' in this genetic struggle, as the ANDROPHOBICS have tried to 'PROVE' over the centuries, then why should nature give the child HALF the genes from the FATHER?
WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!
#5 Posted by tahir on July 3, 2009 10:03:58 pm
Posted by tahir on Thursday June 18, 2009 09:39 am
Dr. So Hail ran away as expected.....
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Dr. So Hail ran away as expected.....
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#6 Posted by Regards on July 3, 2009 10:29:48 pm
#3 Parth,
There is no stereotype here. If there is one, it is you repeat calls for waking up males.
Nature does not require presence of males in all animals. There are many animals, even mammals and reptiles who give birth by parthenogenesis (children as clones of female with same genetic structure). Just Google 'Parthenogenesis'.
However if environment is changing fast, it is safer to have more variety of genes which requires male contribution. Besides sex tries to make a good text from two texts which may have some syntax errors, to make sense in changing environment. If everything is fine and individual fits fine in his environment, you don't need death, you don't need sex and you don't need.. MALES. (said a philosopher of last century- Schopenhauer and also says a biologist of 21st century- P.H. Gouyon)
Parth, you are really fighting a battle lost against females. It is better to get over it now. Only option you're left with is ... death or sex.
Many of us, including me, have gone through difficult separations, divorces etc. Social and religious norms are always skewed as they consider man and woman as two different entities. But all of us are both man and woman to a certain degree. There are no differences between genetic structure of a male and female.All males and females have exactly same organs (mammals, genitalia..) despite mullah and padre. Their sizes differ because environment required so. It is only hormones driven by environment- and not God which decide whether you'll behave more as man or as a woman. In the name of religion, social stability, men ruled the roost. With some exceptions, that is still the case. But in a totally pacified environment, let's call it Hindu just to tease our muslim friends, You'd have been A WOMAN and NOT A MAN.
There is no stereotype here. If there is one, it is you repeat calls for waking up males.
Nature does not require presence of males in all animals. There are many animals, even mammals and reptiles who give birth by parthenogenesis (children as clones of female with same genetic structure). Just Google 'Parthenogenesis'.
However if environment is changing fast, it is safer to have more variety of genes which requires male contribution. Besides sex tries to make a good text from two texts which may have some syntax errors, to make sense in changing environment. If everything is fine and individual fits fine in his environment, you don't need death, you don't need sex and you don't need.. MALES. (said a philosopher of last century- Schopenhauer and also says a biologist of 21st century- P.H. Gouyon)
Parth, you are really fighting a battle lost against females. It is better to get over it now. Only option you're left with is ... death or sex.
Many of us, including me, have gone through difficult separations, divorces etc. Social and religious norms are always skewed as they consider man and woman as two different entities. But all of us are both man and woman to a certain degree. There are no differences between genetic structure of a male and female.All males and females have exactly same organs (mammals, genitalia..) despite mullah and padre. Their sizes differ because environment required so. It is only hormones driven by environment- and not God which decide whether you'll behave more as man or as a woman. In the name of religion, social stability, men ruled the roost. With some exceptions, that is still the case. But in a totally pacified environment, let's call it Hindu just to tease our muslim friends, You'd have been A WOMAN and NOT A MAN.
#7 Posted by parthaab on July 3, 2009 10:56:10 pm
Re: # 6
Regards, I think it is useless arguing with androphobics. Especially the ones taken in by female propaganda. Can you please identify your own gender?
Regards, I think it is useless arguing with androphobics. Especially the ones taken in by female propaganda. Can you please identify your own gender?
#8 Posted by Regards on July 3, 2009 11:32:23 pm
#7parthaab
I can hardly afford to be androphobic. As I said in my last post, I had a very very difficult divorce, could'nt see my children for several years, taken to court easily some 40-50 times over 15 years and even to jail by my ex-wife, a PhD in physics and well placed in society. It may surprise you but I still got custody of my daughters of 4 and 2 years then, because despite all set backs I continued to offer her a balanced deal. My sweet revenge is that today I got all the love my daughters can give to a father and they are leading professionals and mothers in life. My ex_wife admits herself that after all it was good for the children that I raised them.
This is why I suggest that to survive and come on top of stereotypes, slogans, don't do a jihad against everything feminin. Just imagine, slight hormonal change at the time of your conception and you were a woman. Would you have fought men with the same zeal as you're fighting women today?
I can hardly afford to be androphobic. As I said in my last post, I had a very very difficult divorce, could'nt see my children for several years, taken to court easily some 40-50 times over 15 years and even to jail by my ex-wife, a PhD in physics and well placed in society. It may surprise you but I still got custody of my daughters of 4 and 2 years then, because despite all set backs I continued to offer her a balanced deal. My sweet revenge is that today I got all the love my daughters can give to a father and they are leading professionals and mothers in life. My ex_wife admits herself that after all it was good for the children that I raised them.
This is why I suggest that to survive and come on top of stereotypes, slogans, don't do a jihad against everything feminin. Just imagine, slight hormonal change at the time of your conception and you were a woman. Would you have fought men with the same zeal as you're fighting women today?
#9 Posted by parthaab on July 3, 2009 11:53:55 pm
Re: # 8
Regards, Thanks for giving me your CV! No doubt it is impressive to many, but does not intimidate some like myself.
I do not think that there is any change in your views. Nor is there an iota of change in mine ( which, incidently, is NOT against feminism, in case your angry mind dint notice ). Except, maybe, that older men MAY have a more pronounced bias towards Androphobia.
Regards, Thanks for giving me your CV! No doubt it is impressive to many, but does not intimidate some like myself.
I do not think that there is any change in your views. Nor is there an iota of change in mine ( which, incidently, is NOT against feminism, in case your angry mind dint notice ). Except, maybe, that older men MAY have a more pronounced bias towards Androphobia.
#10 Posted by parthaab on July 3, 2009 11:56:31 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women- have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html
The reasons for more promiscuity among females than males ( 9 sexual partners for the 21 year old female, as compared to a paltry 7 ) in this study, is probably the result of mutiple factors :
Firstly, males, due to STEREOTYPING, are expected to be more promiscous and hence NOT encouraged by their parents and peers, to have sex, unlike females who are stereotyped/presumed as being 'passive', and hence in need of encouragement to engage in sex.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3796120.cms
Secondly, males are probably becoming more aware of legal and financial consequences in case their relationship goes wrong!
Hopefully, these latest findings will spare males from the onslaught of feminist inspired advertising, from domestic cleaning agents, to car insurance, to food, which all portray the male as the stupid ape, and the female as the one who provides a solution to his stupidity by using the product being advertised. This creates gender roles where women are the smart, cool, sophisticated and innocent gender, and men are the complacent, retarded, pathetic gender.
Lastly, the western females integrity needs appreciation, and is in keeping with the higher female-initiated divorce rates there too.
'In the age of promiscuity, women have more sexual partners than men. By the age of 21 they have had sex with an average of nine lovers - two more than their male partner.
And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men. Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.'
Also read : Womensinfidelity.com
WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!
The reasons for more promiscuity among females than males ( 9 sexual partners for the 21 year old female, as compared to a paltry 7 ) in this study, is probably the result of mutiple factors :
Firstly, males, due to STEREOTYPING, are expected to be more promiscous and hence NOT encouraged by their parents and peers, to have sex, unlike females who are stereotyped/presumed as being 'passive', and hence in need of encouragement to engage in sex.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3796120.cms
Secondly, males are probably becoming more aware of legal and financial consequences in case their relationship goes wrong!
Hopefully, these latest findings will spare males from the onslaught of feminist inspired advertising, from domestic cleaning agents, to car insurance, to food, which all portray the male as the stupid ape, and the female as the one who provides a solution to his stupidity by using the product being advertised. This creates gender roles where women are the smart, cool, sophisticated and innocent gender, and men are the complacent, retarded, pathetic gender.
Lastly, the western females integrity needs appreciation, and is in keeping with the higher female-initiated divorce rates there too.
'In the age of promiscuity, women have more sexual partners than men. By the age of 21 they have had sex with an average of nine lovers - two more than their male partner.
And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men. Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.'
Also read : Womensinfidelity.com
WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!
#11 Posted by parthaab on July 4, 2009 12:57:07 am
Re: # 8
Regards, I just wanted to add : I could hardly consider a loving father of two Girls, to not be biased. And oh! Let us not digress from the main focus of the argument : that females are more promiscous than men ( a fact that Androphobic psychologists like Sohail cannot even swallow yet! )
Regards, I just wanted to add : I could hardly consider a loving father of two Girls, to not be biased. And oh! Let us not digress from the main focus of the argument : that females are more promiscous than men ( a fact that Androphobic psychologists like Sohail cannot even swallow yet! )
#13 Posted by SR on July 4, 2009 3:33:30 am
Dear Sohail sahib what would you say about social morality in the context of alternate value systems?
Consider
http://www.lovemore.com/
Please comment
...SR
Consider
http://www.lovemore.com/
Please comment
...SR
#14 Posted by BJ2 on July 4, 2009 4:52:33 am
Dr. Sahib, I think there is a simpler, much simpler reason why SOME people have more than one lovers.
They don't really love any of those lovers -- they only love their own self.
There is another, even simpler reason why only SOME people actually indulge in such behavior (as distinct from mere fantasizing).
That's because such people can get away with it because of their particular circumstances in life (usually attributes that empower them more than the average joker -- for example, like the high profile individuals you list).
They don't really love any of those lovers -- they only love their own self.
There is another, even simpler reason why only SOME people actually indulge in such behavior (as distinct from mere fantasizing).
That's because such people can get away with it because of their particular circumstances in life (usually attributes that empower them more than the average joker -- for example, like the high profile individuals you list).
#15 Posted by Shah2 on July 4, 2009 1:25:20 pm
"I think time has come for all of us to have a new look at the mysteries of love and try to understand the minority of homo-sexual, bi-sexual and poly-philous people rather than judging them as they experience and express their love differently than the majority of traditional people. Let us celebrate the magic of love as it has different forms and colors like the colors and forms of a rainbow."
sohail sb Psychologist Can say whatevr they imagine theorise .They never can prove it is REAL .Just observing behaviour and assigning some DSM diagnosis by a bunch of PhDs do not hold much in court of Law . In The usa atleast and specially more in some staes than others .Lest some fool gets divorced down his throat for infedility polygamy or get shot by 'extra' lovers spouse :)
sohail sb Psychologist Can say whatevr they imagine theorise .They never can prove it is REAL .Just observing behaviour and assigning some DSM diagnosis by a bunch of PhDs do not hold much in court of Law . In The usa atleast and specially more in some staes than others .Lest some fool gets divorced down his throat for infedility polygamy or get shot by 'extra' lovers spouse :)
#16 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 4, 2009 4:03:00 pm
Freud has been completely discredited by psychologists. He even falsified his data!
As for human sexuality--the more the merrier if you ask me!
As for human sexuality--the more the merrier if you ask me!
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