The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan's Defense

Here is how Pakistan army can really redeem itself:

1. Court Martial Musharaf and his henchment(both punjabi and urduspeakers) for selling lacs of acres in Gawadar and coastal areas of Baluchistan to land developers from Karachi so that urduspeakers can colonize Baluchistan's coastal areas and thus create a state that extends from Karachi to Gawadar . Baluchis resisted against becoming '' Red Indians'' and so were killed , murdered and raped . Their political leaders like Bugti were killed. Hanging Musharaf at the front of the same cave in which Bugti was killed would take all the hatred out of Baluchis hearts and eliminate the possibility of Baluchistan seceding from Pakistan,thus strengthening the Federation.

2. End the unholy alliance with MQM. MQM is a terrorist ,voilent outfit masquerading as a political party whose real aim is to promote the economic interests of the Urduspeaking community at the expense of Sindhis,Punjabis and Baluchis . Its long aim is to create an Urduspeaking state and splitting Pakistan. The Sindhis feel grieved and hurt at the fact that Pakistan army under Musharaf handed over control of Sind , its capital Karachi , and the resources of Sind to MQM WHICH had just 41 seats out of the 168 seats in the Sind assembly. It was handed over the governor ship and the ministries of police and finance which are the 2 most important and lucrative ministries .

3. A slick , fast and well-planned military operation against MQM should be carried out at the earliests. Its military wing, which is called the ''Thunder Squad'' should be deliberately attacked and engaged and destroyed . Helicopter Gunships should be liberally used . If they can be used in civilian areas of pathans, why can they not be used in Karachi?? IF Taliban and jihadis are bad and wrong because they use arms against the state and that private armies can not be allowed, why should MQM be spared?? Its list of sins and brutalities islong and hard . It has killed great figures like Mufti Shamzai,Maulana Ludhianvi, Munawar Suharwardy, entire leadership of Sunni Tehrik, Hakeem Saed, journalist Yousaf Salahudin of Takbir and recently the Balauch civic activiat Nasir Baluch who was running a campaign against landgrabing by MQM. The attack on October 18, 2007 when Benazir arrived could not have been carried out without involvement of MQM . It was a mohajir,the MQM Minister Waseem Akhtar who was the Sind Home Minister. People can say I am stretching too far. How can MQM even think of Killing Benazir? Have people forgotten how Rajiv Gandhir , the leaeder of 1 billion people was killed by Prahbarkan, leader of Tamil Tigers sitting in the joungles of Srilanka. If Tamil Tigers can concieve of and have the audacity of killing the prime minister of India , then it is perfectly possible for MQM to order killing of Benazir Bhutto. The sight of Nine Zero and other sector offices being razed to dust by Tanks would delight the hearts of Sindhis.

4. Stop all housing projects in Sind . No more DHA'S. All agricultural land allotted to generals in 1960s should be confiscated and returned to the Sind government to do as it please.

5. All the top generals of Pakistan army should go to Garhi Khuda Buz and offer public apology for killing bhutto and allowing MQM and urduspeaking musharaf for killing benazir .

Ofcourse there will be hurdles . The Urduspeaking intellenstia and journalists and press and people like Kamran Khan will raise howls . They will say that MQM is a ''political force'' and that one should not solve ''polotical problems'' through use of force. United States might raise protests but it should be ignored . In any case it cant do tangible harm to Pakistan and Pakistan army for it is badly tied down in Afghanistan and needs our support.

6. In the Seraiki belt in Bahawalpur where musharaf alloted lacs of acres to his crony generals as a bribe should be distributed to seraiki peasants .

7. Pakistan army should declare that from now on , all officer will get one a house and no plots.

8. a Crash programme to recruit Baluchi and Sindhi youth should be taken. All sorts of incentives should be given . Islam should be used an instrument in this regard.

This is what Pakistan army should do to really ''REDEEM'' its image!

Re: # 158

At that time I could not get who he was talking about but subsequently looked up that Mahmud of Ghazni, Mohammad of Ghori, and Zahiruddin Babur but then these were Central Asians Ghazni Afghanisatan, Ghor Afghanisatan Babr Uzbek so how come he is equating them with Turkey.

Also he claims to be Rajput but invokes Ghori ??? I think we can understand where the loyaties lie.

On your commment "The Pak army has learnt bitter truths/lessons facing successive defeats from the Indian army in all wars since 1947." I would say partially to the extent that they feel with the policy of a thousand cuts they could sufficiently enfeeble India and then win a war preferably withpout nukes but with them as well.

Importanly our nation seems to have learnt no lessons at all.

Hemant

Re: # 151 Hemant: {Re: # 38 Mahmud, Mohammad, and Zahiruddin who are these 3 and why would 1000 miles not be enough. It looks like you are implying war between India and Turkey. How? Why? Very cryptic please elaborate.}

Hemant, either you are too naive or just trying to carry on a debate. These words carry a lot of meaning, summarising the sub-continent's past as well as every Paki's dream. Salim is no exception.

The Pak army has learnt bitter truths/lessons facing successive defeats from the Indian army in all wars since 1947. But these key-board Paki warriors would continue to give this "bandar bhabki", for any interaction on any topic with an Indian. So get used to it.

Mohammad Hamid ko reyha karo !!
Mohammad Hamid ko reyha karo !!
Mohammad Hamid ko reyha karo !!

Why is he being sequestered, any way?

Re: # 123 Sal Cho {"... your attempt to ... introduc[e] the tangential detour of "impressionism," I am not falling for your bait. "}

VERY perceptive of you, Salim ji... very perspective. You must be an old propagandist yourself to know of such booby traps. :))

Soh Rab

Re: # 131

So Mr Salim you are saying that in some cases massacres are justified. Now if it were justified why does the turk govt get blue in the face when American Congress wants to classify the same as genocide.

Also your calling alamgir a Rajput would be like me calling a Pakistani an Indian. E.g. did he say Mughal dynasty has ended now Muslim Rajput dynasty has started for that matter did he even call himself a Ranghar or does he say something like this (call himself a Rajput)in the Alamgir nama that we are not aware of.

I had enjoyed your Muslims in Infidelistan article and hoped some day we could write a similar satire about ourselves but sir somehow these convoluted justifications do not add up.

Hemant

Apologies to all about breaking my word of not posting anything till 170 but I thought Mr Salim was provocative

All,

I am sorry I have posted quite a few posts together this being my second time I have got carried away.

Will stop now till count does not reach 170.

To all those whose posts I have replied to may I request a revert. Previously in chowk I ahve gone through articles and interacts without understanding much of the same as I was not interacting.

Hemant

Re: # 49

No, sir, I am not being dishonest or anti-Indian. I love India and have never been a fan or follower of the "TB" victim. I sympathize with his ailment, but don't support his resorting to partition.


Mr Salim now this is dishonest. You love India and say Indian army is army of occupation. Hang on let me continue. You say this because army is stationd in kashmir and is primarily non-kashmiri. Now is Kashmir part of India or not and if not then has it become Pakistan because the majority have converted to Islam then that is 2 nation theory. And sir in some ways if Mr Jinnah had not wanted Junagudh and Hyderabad and agreed to deal on religous basis with Sardar Patel you would have got Kashmir.

Also what is the ailment you are talking about TB or his mistrust for Nehru and Gandhi which Mr Jinnah unfortunately extended to all Hindus. BTW Mr Salim these suspicions were not unfounded. A good example of why these suspicions were not unfounded is the fact that Indians would have faced mass starvation due to Nehrus policy of heavy industrialisation and import substitution and complete neglect of agriculture but for the munificence of uncle Sam.

Hemant

Re: # 40

"SP" Mr Salim we have only 1 SP in India that is known as Samajwadi party and it is fiercely pro-obscurantist mullah how have you lumped it with the Hindutwa Brigade.

BTW read a book called decolonising the Hindu mind and it will tell you that these people are not for Hindutwa at all and have treated hindutwa people very shabbily.

Re: # 38

Mahmud, Mohammad, and Zahiruddin who are these 3 and why would 1000 miles not be enough. It looks like you are implying war between India and Turkey. How? Why? Very cryptic please elaborate.

Hemant

Re: # 36

Mr Salim,

I read somewhere by an Islamist on why secularism is wrong. You can tell me whether it is right or wrong. According to him under caliphate turkey (present day) had around 35% chritians. Today same turkey under seculars has 1% christian population.

Re: # 24

The Pakistani Awam needs to be vigilant against all enemies - domestic and foreign. India has the stigma of Bangladesh, the Army has given us over 30 years of despotic dictatorships, and the Moolas have failed us divinely.

Mr Salim I have at least read twice interacts by pakistanis that india did them a favour by separating Bangladesh. I am sorry but I did not see any protest from your countrymen on that.

Once again, you are being insidious in projecting an Indian agenda against both Pakistan and its people. The Pak Army comes from its people and is not a separate oppressing entity - unlike the Indian occupiers in East Pakistan or Kashmir. All we need to do is to restore the credibility of our institutions by imposing the principle of accountability on our leaders.

Indian ocupiers East Pakistan, I though we left Bangladesh say 3-4 months after dec 71. Kashmir well I think Kashmir is part of India and we have Kashmiris in Indian Army (all muslims)

Calm down, Beej Bhayya, before you explode as you try to create a revolution in Pakistan. You can call Pakistanis cowards, fools, imbeciles, or anything else you like. The last thing they need to do is to trust people who have oppressed them before. Please stop trying to throw gasoline on the fire - on second thought please be more vocal. Only Indians can unite Pakistan - and they seem to do it so well.

Sir this statement "Only Indians can unite Pakistan - and they seem to do it so well" is back handed abuse to your people. Are you saying that pakistanis have no sense of cohesion themselves.

I also thought Mr BJ2's comments strange but maybe yours are a bit stranger.

Hemant

Re: # 16

Mr Salim,

these are rahter big words "principle of accountability "

But you are not saying anywhere where and how the damn thing (the principle of accountability) should start.

In India we have had the unique case of too much accountability a PSU (government corporation) officer was jailed for fraud for 6 months for using an air ticket earned by frequent flier miles for personal use (the miles were earned on official visits). Then you have cases of absolutely no accountability state corporations not getting their accounts audited, a 10 story structure coming up illegally in a government owned hotel less than 1 mile from the Indian PM's residence, out of pique a department not giving retirement dues and the next one takes the cake.

The Municiapl Coporation of Delhi has a Slum Rehabilitation department. This department has 12 Architectural draftsmen. 1 Dman is a Sardar. The Sardar retires and the rest of the 11 demand he be given an extension. When that is denied they threatened to go on a Kaccha march to Delhi CM's residence to achieve their ends(Apparently the Sardar was the only one who worked and the rest 11 did gup-shup, chai shai, patte vatte). The shaken department over the Sardar's protest (he wanted to retire and get his pension) force him to take an extension. A conscientious lawyer files a public interest litigation against the same as this was clearly a waste of public funds. MCD gets away by saying in court (high court) that the Sardarji is source of inspiration to the rest of the team and Rs 5,000 are imposed on the lawyer as costs.

In our country the CAG comptroller and auditor general keeps on shouting till it is blue and yet only small honest fry who commit genuine errors are the only ones who are taken to task.

Any suggestions?????

Another great Indian scandal is government departments and corporations suing each other which account anywhere from 20-33% of the huge number of cases pending in Indian courts. Apparently once the file is opened no one has the guts to close it.

Hemant

Re: # 12

Boss I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick.

1) Who does the Pakistani awaam rile up against more -- the khakis or the phantom enemy "kafirs" identified as Indians?

Indians of course. I'll give you an example with an Indian analogy. Ok we condemn a section of our people as Achoot though things have improved but there is still bias against them. Now muslims and xtians are also achoot of much greater degree (according to classical definition of what beef eaters are) but today we do not consider them as such but still have various degree of bias against our co-religionists, why? Ingrained belief. Of course the difference is that with anti-casteist campaigns this bias is going to lessen but with Paki text books continuing their hate campaign against hindus/Indias (as per Prof AH Nayyar) this is not likely to go away.

(2) What is the population ratio of khaki to civilians? Are the khakis holding a gun to the head of so many civilians? Then what is there to indicate that average abdul does not like the khakis to run the show just like they have been running for the last six decades? What are Pakistanis -- dead? I mean, even the Iranians have the guts to show up in the streets against their oppressors -- but not the Pakistanis.

Conditions are different. Iranians at least take pride in being Persians do you expect Pakistanis to take pride in Being gasp Indians. They might as well collectively commit suicide (and I know if the big Mian upsatairs offers them this choice they will exactly do that). Thus for the most the pakis are the guardians of the fortress of Islam and thus are doing a good job for the same.

(3) How many Pakistani civilians have the guts to condemn the terrorist attacks done again and again -- over the last 20 years -- in India by the ISI trained and ISI-funded goons in Pakistan?! How many?! Why should ANYBODY shed a single tear for this gutless group of hypocritical cowards?!!

Why should they, for them the only good Hindu is a dead one.

Also just curious what if the pakis were to do the above what would it prove.

Regards
Hemant

Re: # 11

Riaz Sahib you write "Salim,
Nobel laureate Ernest Hemingway used to say, "Every damn thing is your own fault, if you're any good."

Do you know what happened to him? He ended up killing himself.

Does this offer any lessons to you and to Pakistanis as a nation? Don't we all, as humans, frequently engage in denial for our own mental health and self-preservation?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide "

What does this mean, what are you trying to say and what is implied. Pardon me but I could not understand. Please elaborate/explain.

Hemant

Re: # 142

Salim Saab - Thanks for the agreement upon further reflection on Mushy. I also agree with DMji and you that Modi as well as all perpetrators of Gujarat riots and Godhra train burners should be punished without exception.