Qasba Aligarh Massacre – A Forgotten Story

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Re: # 29 Thanks mr.Matrix for going through and absoving of strange talking by Bubba. He seems the does not like Hindustanis. We can not help he has to suffer as we are not going back to old Mughal heart land, karachi, hyderbad and Sindh weather is fine.

Re: # 28

Again, you are repeating the same old bakwas over and over again. Somehow you think it may get justified, but it won't.

PPP is not one of the political parties that created hatred. Indeed, back in the late 1960's there were no thoughts of ethnic cleansing in the land of the pure.

In those days, there were religious right wing nuts that most hindustanis supported, which were based purely of hatred towards the subdued and marginalized sindhis. Hence, Ayub's rhetoric of drowning the hindustanis in Arabian Sea.

In fact, the language riots of 1974 was purely based on ethnic hatred of hindustani immigrants towards their new adopted homeland.

I would suggest create a historical time-line on how hate and ethnic killings got started in West Pakistan. Ethnic killings was created and got started by the miltary who were egged on by the nine-right wing political parties of the PNA.

This conspiracy of the political right is the main reason why the left wing secularists ZAB's, BB's, and now Zaradari were targetted for over 30 years.

#28 I could not agree more with you. Now we are talking. Justice for all irrespective of tribe, color, position, sect, or ethnicity. Say no to NRO or any other secret agreements. No justice no peace.

# 27
Mr. Bubba you have said I am protector of Hindustani Muslim Ghundagiri.

This is distortion. Let see what I said in several inter actions.


#8 Sindhis and Hindustani's have slaughtered in Karachi and hyderbad and number was much higher.
Please do not bring back these bad criminal past it does not create light but heat.

Ethinic politics which concentrated economics is criminilised. All parties protect criminals just being Hindustani(MQM) or Pathan (ANP). They do not care that it is crime

I feel its time to supress truth and truthful reporting about ethinic sectorian Killings for graeter good. This attitude can lead to demise of united pakistan. This factors will be used against hindustani muslims by Sindhis and baloach. One should not be too hypocritical for major period of in life of Nation Punjabi-Pathan-Hindustani-Army axis caled the shots

we are fast way to Yugo style. Punjab will be our Serbia. Not that it is sacraed to have united but it is best disintegration based on ethinic hatred can lead to bloody settlement.
In this matters ignorance is bliss. ( please note that illusions and prejudices are far stronger than truth, brotherhood or justice

#9
#Re: # 7 Mr. U You are right , but its time to calm down.
Rhetoric questions and answers creates hatred. All pakistani people are going through humilation for 60 years.
At same time all parties are full of criminals and calculus of ethinicity is everything , its slippery slope.Some times I feel we have made stragetic blunders by having parties which are ethinic which are really private family ltd companies.Such reckless way , logical way is disintegration hopefully some great person carries out tactical corrections but generally tactical mistakes can be corrected but strategic mistake are conclusive. The cement which united all ie Islam but racial hatred is more powerful.

#11

Truth will make one paranoid when you look as race relationships of bengalis, Punjabis, sindhis, hindustani muslims, Baloachis, Pathans. All have hands full of blood. Take paper and calculate how many pakistanis have killed other pakistanies. Calculate ratios after WWII . My calcualtions shows inrani race and arab race killed more than any body and then we are there. See educated people are more fanatic. Still people are debating and saying not many bengalis were slaughtered or they were killed as they killed west pakistani and bihari race. Did you saw even single remorse from heart no never. General Presidento said forgive and forget. As a person in areas in applied maths etc I have habit of numbers as numbers give scope and vision. You calculate how many people are killed in 60 years oI am says there is too much killing going on for years, all parties and groups have killed HELPLESS people , all have hands bolldies hands. Do bengalis start killing Punjabis and biharis in B.Desh ? Balochis start hanging Musharraff for killing Nawab B. and Punjabis. With people like you who wants to scratch scabs and make wounds to start running blood. Sindhis start killing Hindustani muslims for their sufferening ( and being simple fool for inviting people who will decimate them ).f fratricide You will get real picture.
Again this type of article starts or builts more resentment and adds more fuel and please note hatred surpasses everything including truth. Thruth is fact and fact is knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, without wisdom and enlightened sublimation and humility forgiveness is not possible.

Beware of educated people and truth for it can start killings or make you paranoid. Ignorance is bliss.

#17
I am says there is too much killing going on for years, all parties and groups have killed HELPLESS people , all have hands bolldies hands. Do bengalis start killing Punjabis and biharis in B.Desh ? Balochis start hanging Musharraff for killing Nawab B. and Punjabis. With people like you who wants to scratch scabs and make wounds to start running blood. Sindhis start killing Hindustani muslims for their sufferening ( and being simple fool for inviting people who will decimate them ).

#24

MQM is degenetaring very fast as it is going fail for different reasons , it better to fail for good just causes than fail for nothing. Now when MQM is going to help helpless hindustanis if not now then never. Never in history of pakistan no body used poor bihiris as MQM to galvanise then they had victory and power they just dropped. They say Sindhis get angry. When hindustanis became so concerned of Sindhis ?

MQM, PPP, even PML Q and company already trying to make sure general will not be even scolded. He is talking of again leading to glory.

They should prsecute him sentence him for treason if court decides then forgive and sent to KSA. Then message will go. I am sure we are expert in wasting chances.

It is well know in Kaachi judges will not punish MQM criminals but find way to ease out why ? It is open secret.

ANP supporter kill hindustani muslims and secular leadership supports all killing all time. For them their supporter can not make crime.

from MQM, to JSQM, ANP , PPP PML all for their tribes they will do selective killing based of ethinicity and NEVER EXPRESS REMORSE ( FORGET REPENTANCE THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK) excuse any crime done by their ethinic group.In addition they will never Really feel outraged for sectarian killing of Shias, christians etc always not to offend criminal tentencies. Burying women is ok not offend anybody.

We will suffer due no definiteness of justice and will lead to problems. Crime will deter only when criminals feel justice will catch with them one day.

Instead we have clear and loud message for all criminals do crime and you can get your form of NRO.
Those who were afaraid to face corrouption charges hiding in Britain were invited to become supreme leaders, BB, Musharaff gave recent lessons told all pakistins by example crime and corrouption pays and fairness is joke, life is not fair and people draw logical conclusions.


Can you show me where I am for criminal activies of MQM and Hindustani Muslims.

I said at start all criminals special sectarain racial tribal killers be punished. We will never solve this till criminls get fear of getting caught and punished.

I will repeat it is not harshness of justice but definiteness of justice will deter crimes which should also includes people protecting them.

I do not like making baseless immoral statements about me.
Let RF( who does not agree with me) or Salim or even Tahmed ( who is not fond of me) come forward show me I am supporting Killings by Hindustani Muslims.
Good luck , let us go in peace.

Re: # 17

As usual, you are wrong when it relates to the politics in puristan. Your ethnic bias is obvious.

In the above ref. post, you have accepted that the PPP has never been an ethnic based political party. But, then you add your valueless biased opinion regarding today's PPP. How disingenuous can that be?

You claim to be an adult who has lived his life in the turbulency of pakistani political structure. Just before ZAB was killed by judicial murder, all the remaining "aeen-meen saray teen" political parties (primarily of religious right wing nuts) were all getting together to destroy pakistan people's party.

In cohoots with the nine right wing political parties of the PNA, the paki miltary killed or jailed almost all of PPP leadership. And the mohajirs then created the hatred between sindhis and urdu speakers. Mohajirs were always conniving to get in cohoots with some right wing nut political parties in paki politics for almost 15 years.

Of late mohajirs are are aspiring to secularist politics, which they know nothing of.

Please do not devalue the hatred that your type of thinkers have created in pakiland. PPP did not and can not create the hatred that now engulfs the land of the pure.

As a hindustani, why don't you have the moral courage to accept that your group are the purveyors of hate?

#25 I wonder why Altaf Bhai is not helping?

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Salim _Chauhan

I do not want to say forget but forgive.
There are honest way to do things.


It is not the Harshness of justice but definiteness of justice that deter criminals the ghastly crimes.


People and fairly world judges from action and not cheap talk.
I do not like Chisti or prof. R Haq in this matter are both are hopelss and partisan.

Chisti or MQM are really bothered about they should ask and give ultimum to president to ask for start inquiries systematic killings under guidence gen. Babar and others. They can do it. Or force govt to accept lost citizens and for change do not short change poor Biharis for Paleastanians who do give damn what we feel. It feels mqm used biharis to raise temp and got elected and let biharis to die, pawns are not cared but jst used for opening game.
MQM is degenetaring very fast as it is going fail for different reasons , it better to fail for good just causes than fail for nothing. Now when MQM is going to help helpless hindustanis if not now then never. Never in history of pakistan no body used poor bihiris as MQM to galvanise then they had victory and power they just dropped. They say Sindhis get angry. When hindustanis became so concerned of Sindhis ?

Prf. R Haq is always for belittling the slaughter of dark bengalis and disputing numbers , please note this not business for accounting. It was murder of people who were helpless ordered to be butured for just asking reasonable life. Or people who are elites like YLH spend all and long hours to belittle slaughter of baengalis with all knowledge he never spent his time to say let us bring criminals to justice like neurenburg trials. No YLH , Prof Haq never said let have justice and try criminals . With such educated and criminal protecting attitudes justice is not possible. General Tikka, Rao Ferman Ali and gang slaughtered bengalis also called as Butcher of Baloachistan retired and have all perks including highest possible ranks and grand leadeship positions in PPP. It is same as Himler, Eichman surving in Post war German govts.
We are hopess bunch . Let us suppose YLH elks are right only 50, 000 dark bengalies were killed. Let us see how many cases started or went serve Justice , not one to my knowledge. The wagan of Justice started. Present CJ is hopeless man do not forget he is PCO judge, he finds Su moto things and starts cases and asks govt. He does not have guts to challenge govt and start prosecution for largest number of people killed in few months.


The message went to army political leadership of all parties yes high crimes are possible and not only you can get away but rewared with perks.

Let see for 50 murders of helpless peole at least one should get death sentence. So by low estimate 1000 should get death sentence , not even slapping on wrist but kicked up to higher promotion.

MQM, PPP, even PML Q and company already trying to make sure general will not be even scolded. He is talking of again leading to glory.

They should prsecute him sentence him for treason if court decides then forgive and sent to KSA. Then message will go. I am sure we are expert in wasting chances.

It is well know in Kaachi judges will not punish MQM criminals but find way to ease out why ? It is open secret.

ANP supporter kill hindustani muslims and secular leadership supports all killing all time. For them their supporter can not make crime.

from MQM, to JSQM, ANP , PPP PML all for their tribes they will do selective killing based of ethinicity and NEVER EXPRESS REMORSE ( FORGET REPENTANCE THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK) excuse any crime done by their ethinic group.In addition they will never Really feel outraged for sectarian killing of Shias, christians etc always not to offend criminal tentencies. Burying women is ok not offend anybody.

We will suffer due no definiteness of justice and will lead to problems. Crime will deter only when criminals feel justice will catch with them one day.

Instead we have clear and loud message for all criminals do crime and you can get your form of NRO.
Those who were afaraid to face corrouption charges hiding in Britain were invited to become supreme leaders, BB, Musharaff gave recent lessons told all pakistins by example crime and corrouption pays and fairness is joke, life is not fair and people draw logical conclusions.

Good night.

#21 After all these years where are these Mohajirs coming from? Is there an underground pipeline Gangaistan I'm not aware of?

Re: # 16

Bubba Sahib

Shukria

#1 Posted by Skeptical on August 21, 2009 12:16:34 am
{"Where were you when 12th may happened?"}

Skeptical,
Another typically Tahmed Batteesi type of remark. The date you mentioned was wel preceded by the date of the event being recounted by Chishti Sahib.

Someone made a reference to Pakistan being another Yugoslavia of the 1990s, with Punjab playing the role of Serbia. To carry this interesting analogy further, I would state that the Pakhtoons are behaving like the Croats with the Mohajirs being the third-place Bosniaks while Bangldesh would be the first to be free Slovenia with Baluchistan rounding out the unfortunate components as Kosova.

So, having been butchered by all, the Mohajirs, since 1986 like the Bosniaks in 1995, have made it a point not to be the main course at a Pakistani cannibal feast ever again.

#14 Posted by bubba on August 22, 2009 7:39:11 am
{" Hatred was brought into pakiland by the muslim immigrants some 60 years ago."}

Bubba,
Please come clean and admit that you are really Tahmed32 the self-proclaime bigot-e-ajam of Pakistan.

Chishti Sahib,

Thank you for remembering the unfortunate and poor victims of this horrible massacre that took place almost 23 years ago. Your account of the events is accurate. Your descriptions of how cruelly Islamic slogans, like "Allaho Akbar," and labeling of victims as "infidels," were used to justify the slaughter are the very tactics being used against other victims by similar butchers in NWFP and elsewhere. What goes around comes around.

I was particularly dismayed by the tragic, but true, depiction of what happened:

"On December 15, 1986, a group of armed mostly Afghans with the backing of a Nationalist Political Party attacked the Aligarh, Orangi and Qasba colonies and adjacent areas of Karachi and killed innocent people, burnt shops and house] A total of 400 Mohajirs were killed in just two hours of this horrible massacre.

“They came inside our houses and asked for men”, “they killed indiscriminately with knives and guns chanting Allah’o’Akber as if we were infidels” said one of the survivors who lost her father and elder brother sobbing and she was correct. Astonishingly mosques were used to mobilize people to kill and there were speeches and sermons given against the people living in Qasba Aligarh by pseudo Mullah’s that day branding Mohajirs as “Infidels” and that “killing them would take one to heaven”.

Mohammad Ibrahim another survivor who lost his elder brother told us that “they came in and started burning our houses, kicking the babies, raping our women and killing anyone in front of them …”

More than 400 Mohajir Men and Women were brutally mutilated at Qasba Aligarh that day and nothing happened,.."

Chishti Sahib, I agree with you that the total disregard for human life, or the importance of justice, demonstrated by the dictatorial regime then, and by the subsequent so-called "democratic" governments since, is the reason for Pakistan's impending destruction. Is it any wonder that the Pakhtoons, who killed Mohajirs in 1986, are now killing others including other Pakhtoons, Shias, Punjabis, Pak soldiers, police, and sometimes themselves? When there is no fear of justice, retribution, and judgment, then criminal elements will hold sway, including the criminals in uniform.

Having said all this, I agree with Madani Sahib, that we should recognize the evil that was allowed to take place, put mechanisms in place that preclude such man-made disasters from occurring again, and prosecute the perpetrators in an open, unbiased, public, and righteous manner.

A nation that turns its military loose on its own citizens to loot, murder, rape, and slaughter is not going to be strong. A nation that prevents its own citizens from returning home after displaying unmatched loyalty does not deserve sovereignty. A nation that allows and promotes the discrimination and slaughter of its own citizens based on linguistic, provincial, sectarian, ethnic, or linguistic hatred is not going to survive. Good article, but let's start anew - for the sake of Pakistan, its people, and its future.

Thanks.

Salim Ahmed Chauhan

I think there is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to the ruthless exploitation of ethnic discord and violent conflict by various politicians for their own purposes.

Unfortunately, the poor and barely literate or semi-literate and disenfranchised people of all ethnic backgrounds, who are always looking for escapegoats for their unfortunate situations, become both victims and perpetrators when they are cynically manipulated by selfish, opportunistic politicians from across the thoroughly corrupt political spectrum in Pakistan.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide